No offense to women, and not meanin t be sexist but us guys can't win no matter how we go about things, what does everyone else think?

Damn... I can't say you're wrong... cos then you would be right...
and if I agree with you then surely you have got something right...

ARGGGGGGGH!!!!!!!

:help:

Rlass says that I only do two things that upset her.

Everthing I do. & Everthing I say. :(

To be happy with a man, you must understand him a
lot and love him a little.
To be happy! with a woman, you must love her a lot
and not try to understand her at all.

:D

Originally posted by owdlad
Rlass says that I only do two things that upset her.

Everthing I do. & Everthing I say. :(

Luckily I ain't reached that stage yet :hihi:

Only a matter of time tho :help:

Originally posted by notrecoach87
No offense to women, and not meanin t be sexist but us guys can't win no matter how we go about things, what does everyone else think?

me I got plenty to say take a peek & learn :D


http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=67587

we cant win with women mine is just has bad take the other day saturday it was we went out shopping to get some more things for scotland, we had been going round for about 2 hours when in my utter madness I decided to by myself some decent walking boots which I might had cost me about £70 then decided to by myself some new jeans and a new wax jacket one of them drovers coats or to give its other name a stocksman coat it had got to be a barbour one so I had just spent nearly £400. when she says are you going to buy me something then yes my dear so I bought her doughnut she just walked off in a huff you just cant win with women. I did make it up to her though I was going to buy her a animal coat donkey jacket I think it was but changed my mind I bought her a engagement ring instead then she says it is the wrong one dont like it so she got her own back and dragged me back to the shop and picked out the one what she really wanted and it was a lot more expensive than the one I got her.

In my "life" observation of such matters, the root cause is usually lack of confidence. Possibly and in most cases the result of hurt in previous relationships and a general lack of trust for men in general - or given partner. As in any relationship, open, honest and trust is absolute key/paramount to success. But thats just my opinion - please dont have to treat this as gospel (as I am sure you won't) as every one/couple is different.

[i]I did make it up to her though I was going to buy her a animal coat donkey jacket I think it was but changed my mind I bought her a engagement ring instead then she says it is the wrong one dont like it so she got her own back and dragged me back to the shop and picked out the one what she really wanted and it was a lot more expensive than the one I got her. [/B]

Women are psychic - they know when they are presented with cheap and maybee not tatty but inferior quality stuff.

Then again they HAVE to have something big shiny and overall EXPENSIVE to :-

a) Prove you love them

b) Show her friends

c) Show he work friends

d) As above ... family...

You get the idea.

The bigger and better and overall more seemingly expensive (unless they have priced up before *be aware!*) then they are happy - but as long as they have some change left in your wallet for lunch/supper they are happy.

Just don't ask me how I know - wallet intuition :P

Maybe "THEY" are human too?

God Andy your soooo annoying!!! :mad:

Aye. First they do not want someone who will bow to their every wish - someone who will stand up to them and treat them like a human being ....

And then you are just thoughtless, inconsiderate, and do not listen.

They want someone who will be sympathetic and listen to their every sufferance (even when it aint) and will tell them they are lovely and the best ...

And then you are being a creap and you do not mean what you are saying.

Then they want some private time to sort themselves out ...

And then you are just not interested in them or whatever they do and always out to do your own thing regardless of what they want.

None of this is through experience but I am guessing from what I have read on this and similar threads that such is the way of things.

Dragon

I said to our lass last night "C'mon, get thi coat on "
She said "Aww thats nice, youv'e not taken me out for ages.

I said "Am not taking thi out, I'M going out, but i'm turning the fire off. :hihi:

Originally posted by notrecoach87
No offense to women, and not meanin t be sexist but us guys can't win no matter how we go about things, what does everyone else think?

no offence taken you are absolutely right mate, the sooner each gender realizes they cant understand the other the happier we all shall be i think.....i do not spend countless hours talkin to my females freinds about why men do stuff or what they must be thinkin cos frankly its a waste of time i accept that women myself included are too emotionall and never say what we actually mean 80% of the time the same as most men arnt emotional enough but ay exactely what they mean ive heard them be described as unemotional by my sisters i accept that yeah men can be a little unemotional and women can be too emotional at times if you can find a balance then great but if not then i think its a case of like it or get out :hihi:


OMG!!! no wonder im still single:help:

What do you mean STILL Katy? Not that long ago that you was not single. Who ya trying to kid?

Whatever us blokes do is going to be wrong in the long run. We just need to find partners who can set us right without ripping our heads off. Someone nice and understanding and without so many issues the bloke comes third - after the dog.

Anyhow - the reverse is also true. Figure the reverse of the above and you are the ideal partner for any man.

Dragon

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dragon
[B]What do you mean STILL Katy? Not that long ago that you was not single.


its been long enough dragon! :D :D :D

Aye - I have noticed how quickly females get over a relationship as opposed to men - in general. Reckon you have done your stint as single Katy. Go for it lass.

Just make sure the bloke has a wallet full of condoms ;)

Dragon

Originally posted by Dragon
Aye - I have noticed how quickly females get over a relationship as opposed to men - in general. Reckon you have done your stint as single Katy. Go for it lass.

Just make sure the bloke has a wallet full of condoms ;)

Dragon


LOL!!!!!! dragon tut tut!!:thumbsup:

If you and your new bloke have nothing better to talk about you can always inflate the condoms and let them fly around the room. Just make sure your mother does not get hit by one.

So - if I get this right - for a bloke to start a new relationship then at least a year must have passed since his previous, but for a female she can hop out of one and straight into bed with the next bloke, and that's okay?

Dragon

You should read this (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/006016848X/ref=pd_bxgy_img_2/002-9379299-0704010?v=glance&s=books) its a good book to try and understand the opposite sex.

I do try. I just aint very good at it. I think there are too many variables to be covered by any book though. It would take something larger than the bible and still not cover the topic.

Blokes tend to cling to things and to people.

Thanks for the link though. Will add that to the library of other links concerning books trying to explain the opposite sex.

Dragon

All this "What do women really want?" stuff is tiresome. Most women I know say exactly what they want, but the men in their lives don't want to hear the answer so they keep asking the question.

By pretending women are incomprehensible, men free themselves from the guilt of admitting that they simply don't want to do what their partners want them to do.

What's so wrong with admitting you don't want to go shopping with her when there's a football game on TV? Just be willing to accept your woman's resulting anger and disappointment. Pouting never killed anyone.

Most women I know do not say what they want. Often a female will travel all around the sun in order to get to the moon, and by then I have no idea what they are on about.

If you want to talk - then talk. If you want to walk - then walk. If you want to have a pillow fight - then do so - only let us know thats what you want.

And do not go all abstract talking about other people you know whilst trying to refer to something in your life that you really want to talk about. That just totally loses us.

Dragon

Yes ive found myself doing something similar.
If i ask a man to do something and a while after he still hasn't done it, then I would automatically think he wont help and so i go off on a kind of passive aggression trip. eg bang things around in a little temper, or give him the silent treatment.
When really forgetting the fact that men dont think in the same way as women and if id been more assertive i would have asked them again and re phrased the request to eg. I would like it if you would ........
instead of, can you.............


Another good read covering this subject is why men dont listen and women cant read maps.
Also available from Amazon.

Also A Dance of Anger and They F... you up.
All books on psychology of relationships.

Well I just don't expect him to buy me anything or do anything for me. If I want something expensive I'll earn some bloody money and buy it myself.

And if he wants to go off and watch football for a weekend I have plenty of other fun stuff I can do on my own or with my mates.

Its nice when you can treat each other as human beings instead of 'the boyfriend' or 'the girlfriend'.

You see, there are up sides to going out with a rampant feminist :)

Well I'm glad to hear it's not just blokes who agree with this, isn't it a nice feeling when you do something right tho

I do not think I ever did anything right at all.

Just me being my usual thoughtless self ;)

Hopefully we learn by our mistakes. Please please let us learn by our mistakes. (says a prayer every morning that we do).

Dragon

Why do women always take things the wrong way?

Because they can :thumbsup:

Originally posted by Don_Kiddick
Because they can :thumbsup:

Dr DK has sussed it all in 3 words :clap: :clap: :clap:

Because they can .........

or .................

Because they do?????

Dragon

my ex used to joke that:-

" if I as a man say something, that can be taken in one of two ways, and the one way upsets you, I meant it the other way"! lol

And yes, there was a standing *joke* that I had with him, (well he thought I was joking, anyway...) with him:- he'd even get his friends from college on the phone to me, to have me trot out the lines

He'd say "Tell *whoever* what you say my only faults are...?"

And I'd respond " His faults? He's a man, and he's breathing!!!"

It was a source of much hilarity amongst his friends.

PT

I've got to agree with steelcitybab that reading "Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus" could help with understanding communication and relationships between men and women, and bizarrely enough I'm reading it right now. It's very interesting. But I know a lot of people would cringe at the thought of reading any type of "self-help" book!

Why do we take things the wrong way?

Maybe because men rarely give clear, honest, unequivocal answers. They prevaricate and procrastinate – which is absolutely maddening. I think most men are cowards when it comes to being honest - they'd rather extract their own eye teeth than tell their partners something they don't want to hear. What they fail to learn (and guys ‘learning’ is what is meant to separate us from the beasts) is that 5 minutes of honesty and (perhaps) some pain/upset is much, much better than months of dragging the truth out of you gradually.

Woman want men who are honest and strong, that can make difficult decisions and then take full responsibility for those decisions - essentially be a MAN. It is bitterly disappointing to discover that a ‘man’ you thought you knew and loved is actually chronically selfish, thoughtless, inconsiderate, weak and, to be honest, a bare-faced liar.

And just for the record, not all women look for trophies or badges to announce to the world that they are attached. To me someone who is generous with their time and who shows genuine interest in your life is priceless. Trust, honesty, commitment and truth is the only currency necessary (ok – some dress sense, good taste in music and a sense of humour are also helpful!) I can buy my own diamonds….and coat .....whatever. I want a partner not a free storecard.

Nor am I looking for my ‘other half’. I still want my independence – I have other interests, friends, my work. This is completely reciprocal – and I don’t get ‘the face on’ if he wants to go out with the boys without me tagging along. Although I would probably get on better with his mates than he does - and I can probably drink more! Ha ha.

Ok, soap box has been put away.

How many men does it take to change a lightbulb? Just one, he holds the lightbulb up and waits for the world to revolve around him.

My Dad told me years ago that.
Women they have many faults ,
But Men have only TWO ,
EVERYTHING THEY SAY ,
AND EVERYTHING THEY DO ......!!!!