Apparently you can buy a cheap portable TV-DVD system from a well known shop. Its cheap and looks fine.

Anyhow - Bush appear to be recalling all their TV/DVD combi portables as a fault in them makes them go up in flames when they are left on standby.

Someone could have told me before my shop burnt down.

So - if you have one of these I suggest you check for recall notices - unless the shop that sold it to you in the first place has let you know of the recall.

I think I was safe posting this here?

Dragon

Originally posted by Dragon

Someone could have told me before my shop burnt down.


If the faulty TV was to blame for the fire in your shop, can you claim compensation from the manufacturers?

The insurance company will be making a counter claim against the manufacturers so I will leave that up to them.

Dragon

Dear, dear Alba products :nono:

Take a look at this (http://www.albaplc.com/html/home.htm) Hall of Shame.

There are many companies within Alba PLC Group, whose products I wouldn't touch with a bargepole...

(Mods may edit post as legally appropriate)

Stick to B&O, it might cost a bit more but its on standby permanently and I can sleep sound in the night. :D

Originally posted by Abdul
Dear, dear Alba products :nono:

Take a look at this (http://www.albaplc.com/html/home.htm) Hall of Shame.

There are many companies within Alba PLC Group, whose products I wouldn't touch with a bargepole...

The Ronco of the 21st century!

Trading Standards Recall Notices (http://www.tradingstandards.gov.uk/cgi-bin/newslist.cgi?area=safe)

Not ALL recalls make it onto this site, however.

A flaming Bush TV (http://www.allhatnocattle.net/tv%20bush.jpg)

My Bush also burst into flames (http://www.greatlie.com/images/miracles/Burning-Bush-WEB.jpg) :o

Thanks cgksheff. The tv does not appear to be listed. However - I personally know someone who works in the recall department and he is providing me not only with the recall notice but also engineer specs on the fault.

Perhaps the television will appear on the list when the notice is actually issued.

Dragon

Originally posted by Dragon
as a fault in them makes them go up in flames when they are left on standby.

Dragon

You should never leave a TV on standby, as eventaully it will explode.

Same goes for everything else Avalon. However - I leave my stereo on standby, and the satellite dish and my computer is rarely turned off.

Come to that - I have been using computers for many years and so far not one of them has gone up in flames.

Does anyone really turn every electrical appliance off, and unplug them, every night?

Dragon

Unplugging the lot would reduce your leccy bill no end over the year.

Damned inconvenient rebooting every day though

I reckon the amount of electricity the small red LED's use is pretty negligable. Could probably last on a AA battery through the year so power saving by having things not on standby is not part of the equation.

You would think that if a device is intended to have a standby control then it should have safety features built in to prevent it going up in flames.

Dragon

Most TVs, of the CRT type {old fashioned tube rather than flat panel or plasma etc..}, should not be left on standby for the following reasons.

1) It is a waste of electricity to leave a TV on standby.
2) If you never use the mechanical off switch in most TVs you never degauss the tube. Which means the tube is permenantly charged with static electricity, which can damage the internals of the tube. And/or can cause faults with the electronic circuits in the rest of the set over time.

Originally posted by Dragon
I reckon the amount of electricity the small red LED's use is pretty negligable.

No it's not just an LED.

The whole of the tv will be in a semi ready state to switch on quickly. Many circuits will be fully powered and some will be in sleep mode. The standby current of a TV is typically 5 watts.

And to put that into perspective 5 watts is the same as a tail light of a car, or a map reading light. Certainly enough to flatten the battery if left for 24 hours

Here you go, in todays papers.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/wharncliffe/recallnotice001.jpg

What about video players etc that have a clock in them. Surely its not practical to reprogamme the clock every morning when you power them up.

I just had an even more worrying thought if I turn my alarm clock radio off each night before I go to sleep I might not wake up next day!!!

Devices like clock radios use such tiny amounts of electricity that it is neglegeable.

Video recorders have to be plugged in because they have a built in heater to keep the heads from getting condensation on them. If you left it unplugged and you got condensation on the heads it would be ruined.

But these electrical devices still have power going to the transformer which is built in is it not? Therefore even these have the potential of being a fire risk?

Just askin cos my knowledge on electronics is pretty limited.

Dragon

These devices do have power permanently connected to transformers, however the transformers are extremely unlikely to set on fire because they are small, with built in fuse. They are continually rated. Which means that they are designed and specified for leaving on all the time.
They typically have an output of something like 12v.

Whereas a TV needs a higher power PSU with several voltage outputs. I don't know the exact voltages and currents but possibly 12v 40v 60v 200v would be the kind of thing I would expect.
A larger transformer like this will suffer losses due to eddy currents, iron loss and will probably hum a little. It is either on or off, if you need power for little circuits at standby, the higher voltages will also be on.

It's a little like having a truck engine running just to make the courtesy light glow. A right waste of fuel and totally inefficient.

Originally posted by Dragon

Does anyone really turn every electrical appliance off, and unplug them, every night?



Errrm... yes actually, I do. All except the video. Certainly I do know that leaving your telly or a computer on standby all the while uses an enormous amount of electricity (you'd be surprised how much) and I'd rather have the money personally.

Originally posted by Dragon
Does anyone really turn every electrical appliance off, and unplug them, every night?

Dragon

This thread may answer your question http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4670