i'm very keen for the lap-dancing club to open in sheffield :D

most large cities have casions, strip clubs etc. and i think that is sheffield gets one then it will help raise our profile as a city. the police have allowed hookers to hang around mappin for years now and no-one seems to mind about that, so why all the fuss about this club!?!?

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mallycom

I think Spearmint Rhino will bring down the tone of Sheffield. At chucking out time we will have lots of sexually frustrated men leaving the area looking for relief. Women are right to fear an increase in sexual assaults. Other towns like Blackpool have succeeded in preventing Spearmint Rhino from opening. The protest on Saturday from 7pm outside the new club in Brown Street will be the first stage of preventing them succeeding in Sheffield.
Graham

Do people protest outside social clubs when its packed full of women shouting at a stripper??? No, they dont. And is there any actual evidence that sex attacks are more frequent around these clubs??? If you are really offended at the thought of grown men looking at naked women, then, do as I will, DON'T GO!

"Pornography doesn't cause sexual thoughts. Sexual thoughts exist, therefore there is pornography."

Why is women dancing in a club worse than allowing prostitutes to walk around the city centre? Is it a matter of "what you can't see doesn't hurt you?"

I read this in today's Star:

Sheffield Council says Spearmint Rhino has fallen foul of licensing rules by altering Brown Street's layout and submitting the plans late.

The opening has been postponed - I think the council are getting cold feet about letting it open, can't wait to see them backtrack out of this one!

I am not offended at people of either sex enjoying the pleasures of the body- but Spearmint Rhino is part of a global operation that exploit women and treat them like pocessions. Other buisinesses in the Cultural Industry Quarter have said they will move out if Global Pimp moves in. The way they have advertised themselves shows they are simply about degrading women. I am not being a spoil sport-I know that the best sexual pleasure you can have is from a faithful relationship where both partners treat each other with respect, not as mere sex toys.
Graham

Why are so many people opposed to Spearmin Rhino? To be honest I don't really give a toss about it (excuse the pun) and I don't see why anyone else should. I know many females who share this view too, so don't call me sexist.

As an elderly world traveller - (working), I have seen women exploited in many ways.
This seems a pretty civilized way to me. the women have choice, and so do the customers

Haven't you all noticed Sheffield already has a lapdancing club in the shape of the "Dancing Dollar"? If you haven't, it's obviously not had much effect on it's punters' behaviour, has it?

Where is this place! Also, did everyone know there are several large brothels in Sheffield? The one I know about is near Bramwall Lane.

It's amazing the things you don't know about sheffield...

Originally posted by "Anonymous"

Where is this place! Also, did everyone know there are several large brothels in Sheffield? The one I know about is near Bramwall Lane.

It's down Brown Street, dunno if it's opened yet..?

Brothels? Pray tell!

I dont see a problem with this type of club.

The girls who work in them are usually well payed and most enjoy the work, they are not forced to work there like some prostitutes are forced to walk the streets to supply money to some drug crazed pimp, the clubs themselves are well run, clean and not seedy. I have been 2 one, not my scene but I went with some colleagues on a night out and it was more a bit of fun and somewhere to go after the pub had shut.

i think the location was a bad choise i think it would be better at atterclife

Men have gone to see strippers for years... doesn't mean they necessarily go out and rape women, which is what is being alleged. A guy who does that is just as likely to do it after a pub or a club. There are already strip clubs around Sheffield, just not in the centre. I think that, after all that has been planned for that part of the centre, it does bring it down a bit.

M

i went, stayed and enjoyed it and im female and not a lesbian. didnt see the probles little expensive but that will stop any scum goin like the ones in attercliffe. dont knock it till youve been is my opinion.

I was born in sheffield 75 years ago, I can't see why we should not have a lap dancing club in sheffield. we have got everything else pubs, clubs, massage parlers, la chambre, strip clubs, brothels, all this talk about men coming out of there and raping is a load of old cobblers. Sheffield has got be in the forefront of everything this modern society can offer, people these day's expect a lot of various leisure activities in a city this size, so stop grumbling and enjoy.Halevan. 30/1/03.

The girls who choose to work in places like Spearmint Rhino are not being exploited. They are bright enough to know what they are getting into and make up their own minds. It can be argued that the girls are in facy exploiting the customers of such places, they make a very good living without have the degradation of actually selling sex to a total stranger.

Here, here,I agree with every word you say,the lap dancing club should be allowed to open, it will do no harm, in fact it will do a lot of good.I have neither the money or the inclination to go myself, but why spoil someone else's pleasure?.And before anyone say's it is exploiting women, don't make me laugh, they enjoy showing their bodies and are getting a very good return for dancing and showing all, :D :D and good luck to them.I wish I was fifty five year's younger and a female. WOW.

My word miracles do happen - I agree with Halevan.

I guess my only upset at a lap dancing club opening is that I am two children on for getting a job. *sniff*

Oh well

Moon Maiden

Well, we have done it gang,spearmint rhino have been granted a licence.YIPPEE. :D

So, who has actually checked out Spearmint Rhino?

What did you think? Is it as seedy as you would expect?

i dont think there were too many people against the club. tis the fact that its right in the heart of the CIQ. (helping to make sheffield pioneering)

Originally posted by Guest
Where is this place! Also, did everyone know there are several large brothels in Sheffield? The one I know about is near Bramwall Lane.

It's amazing the things you don't know about sheffield...

Are you sure it isn't Bramall Lane?

Originally posted by rwebb
So, who has actually checked out Spearmint Rhino?

What did you think? Is it as seedy as you would expect?

Went there on my stag weekend in August. It was phenomenal. Opulent without being tacky, sexual without being seedy, and with some of the finest girls the Steel City has ever been blessed with.

Yes, it is exploitative. It exploits blokes who simply can't conceive of ever saying 'no' to the goddesses who inhabit Spearmint Rhino.

Oh, and Stella £3.30 for two bottles....oh yes :)

Here's what i wrote at the time:

I cannot...repeat CANNOT stress this enough.

GO TO SPEARMINT RHINO

It was my stag weekend just gone, and the lads, not satisfied with kidnapping me and taking me on the most debauched and liver-damaging weekend of all time, had tagged as the highlight of Saturday night a visit to Sheffield's single greatest gentleman's establishment.

I know what you're thinking, because I was thinking the same thing: "Yeah, fit-looking birds, a bit of writhing, that'll be £80 and i've seen better on the Net". WRONG.

It was a tenner to get in. Not cheap by any means, but acceptable. Nice classy decor, very opulent, pole in the middle with hot girl dancing around, hot girls strolling around chatting to punters. To the bar - expecting £5 a drink, imagine my surprise when two bottles of Stella were thrust into my hand for THREE POUNDS FIFTY...that's not each, that's for TWO.

So, take seats, watch girls, high five friends. Suddenly, sidling up to me looking as HOT AS ALL HELL is Erika, who has been informed of my stag status and would "really, REALLY love to dance for you". My best man slips a twenty my way and it's ON.

She leads me by hand to the private booths in the back, sits me down on the soft leather and we make small talk while she waits for the next song to come on. She's 19 and from Leeds. She hopes I enjoy this...and then she stands up and starts writhing between his legs.

Massive Attack - Unfinished Sympathy. One of my favourite songs...so i'm getting into the music and watching the show, quite content but not particularly excited. And then it happens.

At that moment...for the two minutes it took for her to finish her dance, kiss me on the cheek and lead me out of that room, i would have done ANYTHING for her. For the first time in my life, i would have ripped out my still-beating heart and handed it to her if she had fluttered her eyelashes at me and smiled.

The rest of the lads had their private dances. Every single one of those boys came out of their dream dance with the same look of complete and utter stupefaction as I did. For the rest of the weekend, about 80% of conversations included the words 'Rhino' and 'Spearmint'.

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Originally posted by Guest
Do people protest outside social clubs when its packed full of women shouting at a stripper??? No, they dont. And is there any actual evidence that sex attacks are more frequent around these clubs??? If you are really offended at the thought of grown men looking at naked women, then, do as I will, DON'T GO!

"Pornography doesn't cause sexual thoughts. Sexual thoughts exist, therefore there is pornography."

HERE HERE!!! Hal. Evans.

hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

spot on - the person before me. its far from seedy, make of it what you want. i've been there about 6 times and im as critical as the next person. After being in there for 30 mins, you will find that a pretty young thing wants to dance to please you - but after all, it is a business. you can decline if you choose. no one is forcing you to do owt.

Think of it like an over-the-phone business, they will always try to promote their goods to you. take it or leave it.

Generally, a pleasant atmosphere and far from sleazy. take it how you see it - but only after you have been. don't condemn someone to death without finding them guilty!!! Enjoy the venue, i have done on several occasions.

Aren't they closing it down now?

Can't have been that good a venue if they are.

NM

i am a supplier of dancewear to these type of clubs both lapdincing and brothels...most of the girls are very much like you and i and oly do it because it pays their way. a lot of them are not working in brothels just for the fun of it either,agreed but every1 is entitled to choose there own work in life.
ive never yet met a dancer who doesnt enjoy her job but i have met hundreds of working girls from all walks of life both who like and dislike what they have to do.....i say a jobs a job............

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As a female I have to say you all disgust me! The vast majority of you are trying to promote it! That is NOT the same as accepting it. You talk about girls like they are cheap pieces of meat at which you may ogle. Shouting yipee and other words of encouragement at the opening of such a place just shows a lack of respect for your fellow females that inhabit this planet. If you know that some women are offended by these statements and if you have ANY decency at all then you would refrain from making such outlandish exclamations. Places like this make me SICK! I know they exist and this will always be the case. I reckon if you ask ANY of those dancing women if they had a dream job (to which they probably can not actually aspire..which is why they are there) then dancing around for pervy, letcherous would not be in their list of life-long ambitions. AND a 19 year old girl from Leeds! Do you not think that she should be in education instead of being the object of your momentary lust? I fear for the further degradation of our society. At least the Dancing Dollar is out of the way of the town centre. Spearmint Rhino is slapbang in the middle of a lovely area and is nothing more than an eye sore. As for women going to see male strippers. PLEASE! I can think of nothing I would rather do LESS! I wouldn't even want to be part of the screaming crowd of forty somethings that may frequent such an event. Please guys don't shake your snakes in our faces. It really is repulsive. For those guys who frequent the likes of SR and DD. Have you thought about getting a girlfriend instead? For those who already have one, then I feel desperately sorry for them. Okay, so now am I am ready for the uneducated abuse of " oh you must be a big, fat, hairy lesbian" and all that that is the standard response if any female should dare spit on the interests of the red-blooded male. Do any men actually care what we women think?

Off the high horse, Babooska. I had the misfortune of catching a few minutes of "Love on a Saturday Night" yesterday. The 3 male contestants competing to go on a date with the female were asked to remove their shirts and show off their "pecks". No one battered an eyelid. Imagine then, if the roles were reversed and 3 female contestants were asked by a male to take their tops off (leaving bras on even) - imagine the outcry and disgust from the outraged feminists. Seems very much a case of "selective equality" to me. The type of women that object to lap dancing clubs on the grounds of it being demeaning to women are the very same women who wouldn't think twice about yelling and screaming at a male stripper on a hen night. They believe in women being empowered, not to the point of being equal, but to the point of being more powerful than men. They don't support equality at all, they just want the scales tilted in their favour.

I am glad my horse is high because it holds an opinion that is of higher knowledge and wisdom. I have personally never watched trash like "love on a saturday night" nor indeed wish to. What the hell is it anyway? Sounds like Blind Date or something. I have no interest in seeing guys on television removing their shirts. I can only think that no one bats an eyelid when they remove their shirts because a mans chest does not hold the same sexuality as that of a female. OBVIOUSLY, which is why we have a two piece bikini and men don't. And, excuse me, but I am a woman who objects to lap dancing clubs and I most certainly would not yell and scream at a male stripper. I had the misfortune of seeing one once. Christ. Not sure what kind of women you know but that kind of carry on does NOTHING for ALL the women I know. Maybe you know a certain kind of woman? Also, just because I am a female who holds an opinion regarding a subject that concerns my species does not mean that I am on a high horse, nor open to insults from men like you who hold neither valid view nor reason, but who are just in it for a selfish, self-satisfactional **** at the expence of someone else's feelings. Well, **** away my friend. It's probably the best you'll get. I hear you are a bit of a t***** anyway.

Are we on about this again.

My son and my husband went to the dancing dollar for his stag night and the stag party paid for his dance on stage.

What is wrong with women doing it, they decide to do it, its a job for them.

We don`t all do jobs we enjoy, we do it to pay the bills so why are they so diffrent.

They go home at the end of the night and thats that.
Why such the uproar about Lap dancers, I don`t mind letting my son and my husband go, it`s no skin off my nose.

I don`t go to see male strippers but I do read magazines with naked men in and why not ?.
I consider my self normal, female and I have opinions just the same as everyone else, but I really don`t see why if you don`t like Lap dancers you bother to argue about it, just don`t involve yourself with it.

I do not involve myself in this, however, this is a forum on which we all may contribute. Having an opinion on the matter, as I do on most things...like most people, I felt the need to comment. You say that if I don't like something then I should not argue about it? Is the arguing against something one doesn't like not the way we manage to achieve change in our society and laws? If we did not speak up about how we feel then we would never see any progress. I find your put up and shut up attitude very dated. As a female I fail to comprehend why you are not affected by it? It is up to you how you feel about anything, but not minding about the objectification of women in general??????? If t020 wants to have his sexist opinions and not be challenged then he should keep them inside his 'Spearmint Rhino' world and not bring them in to the outside world where he is bound to meet opposition. We, who are not in the business, do not take kindly.

Originally posted by Babooshka
I am glad my horse is high because it holds an opinion that is of higher knowledge and wisdom. I have personally never watched trash like "love on a saturday night" nor indeed wish to. What the hell is it anyway? Sounds like Blind Date or something. I have no interest in seeing guys on television removing their shirts. I can only think that no one bats an eyelid when they remove their shirts because a mans chest does not hold the same sexuality as that of a female. OBVIOUSLY, which is why we have a two piece bikini and men don't. And, excuse me, but I am a woman who objects to lap dancing clubs and I most certainly would not yell and scream at a male stripper. I had the misfortune of seeing one once. Christ. Not sure what kind of women you know but that kind of carry on does NOTHING for ALL the women I know. Maybe you know a certain kind of woman? Also, just because I am a female who holds an opinion regarding a subject that concerns my species does not mean that I am on a high horse, nor open to insults from men like you who hold neither valid view nor reason, but who are just in it for a selfish, self-satisfactional w*nk at the expence of someone else's feelings. Well, w*nk away my friend. It's probably the best you'll get. I hear you are a bit of a t*sser anyway.


I don't watch the trash TV programme either, hence why I mentioned I had the misfortune. Also, I stated even if the women kept their bras on.

I don't go to lap dancing clubs and I wouldn't want to. The point is, in business terms where there is a demand there should be a supply. There are clearly men out there willing to pay to watch women dancing and stripping, and women out there willing to do it either for the pleasure, for the money, or for both. Who are you to deny these 2 groups of people something that they both benefit from? Don't you think your attitude is a tad patronising? While ever there are perverts and slappers, lap dancing clubs will exist. It isn't against the law, both parties benefit, and nobody gets hurt - whats the problem?

PS. Please refrain from petty, personal insults. You're comments have been reported.

Whilst I respect Babooshkas' opinion, and certainly admire her for exercising her right to speak out on this subject, I would like to look at this from a different aspect.

While I have never had a desire to visit a lap dancing club and pay extortionate amounts of money for a few minutes of cheap titivation, I think that it is far better to have legal, professional venues, such as S/Mint Rhinos or Dancing Dollar, that are properly licensed and regulated, rather than drive it underground where the employees would be manipulated and younger people could be corrupted by unscrupulous club owners.

For the same reasons it is about time that brothels were legalised and then women who decide (of the their own free will) to prostitute themselves can do so in the safety and security of the company of others and real progress can be made in eradicating street prostitution that is so prevalent in most major conurbations.

t020...do you not think calling a lap-dancer a slapper is an insult? This is the kind of attitude I am talking about. Slavery was a supply and demand industry but you don't hear many people arguing to keep that. Deny two parties what they want? To deny is to take away...I am merely stating an opinion to which I am entitled. You sound angry because I am standing up for something in which I believe? ie an non-exploitative industry. I also notice you are quick to report insult when you have, indeed, been banned from certain areas of this forum yourself. I thought you would have been made of stronger stuff.

Originally posted by Babooshka
This is the kind of attitude I am talking about. Slavery was a supply and demand industry but you don't hear many people arguing to keep that. .

Slavery is illegal, lap dancing isn't.

And slavery is an enforced situation, lap dancing is strictly voluntary.

No lap dancers = no pervs watching them.

Originally posted by markham
And slavery is an enforced situation, lap dancing is strictly voluntary.


Yes, lap dancers choose to be lap dancers. Babooshkas attitude is patronising towards lap dancers as she is acting as though she knows better than they do and knows whats best for them. It is up to them what they do for money (within legal boundaries), not feminist idealists.

I used to live in Germany, and it is all legalised over there, they monitor all dancers and women from brothels etc.

They all look tidy and have to be clean to earn their certificate, but they do it because they want to.

You choose not to like it ok thats fine by me but I choose not to worry myself about it, because it does not threaten my sexuality or me.

Originally posted by Babooshka
As for women going to see male strippers. PLEASE! I can think of nothing I would rather do LESS! I wouldn't even want to be part of the screaming crowd of forty somethings that may frequent such an event.
Can you not see the irony in your argument here? As t020 says, it's supply and demand. As long as there is demand for male strippers, male strippers will exist. It just so happens that there's more demand for female strippers.

Babooshka '.........' You do seem rather het up about all this.

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Hi
being a male entertainer myself,why cant sheffield have a lap dancing club as any other city,i have never myself been to dancing dollar or spearmint rhino,but what i have heard of them i am sure they provide a first class entertainment for reasonable prices and what i say is good luck to them,the female dancers deserve their money and no one forces any customers to their doors,they just choose out of their own free will to go there.
belarion(male stripper)

Sheffield Hallam can’t afford a night bus for it’s students like Sheffield University. But to make sure their is a safe place for female students especially to get a taxi home at night the university is going to build a taxi rank right outside the new union building. Equidistant from the Sheffield sanctuary from sexual harassment..............Spearmint Rhino.

Still from what i hear it’s probably not going to be open much longer.

Theres nothing wrong lap daning clubs there should be more
ive always wanted to go 2 one
but never had the chance :-(

Graham, you are joking. I really hope so. Rape is predominantly about power. Not about the need to get sexual 'relief'. For men who are not predisposed to rape or sexual assaults there is a much easier way of getting 'sexual relief'. I'm sure someone will explain this to you if you ask.

Why are you scaremongering? Women have nothing to fear from lap-dancing clubs. They especially do not have to fear rape or sexual assaults.

If you have any statistics from a recognised and reputable sourse - for example the Bureau of Justice Statistics and Crime and Victims Statistics - I would be more than happy to read them and apologise to you if you can prove that lap-dancing clubs have a direct correlation to higher rates of sexual assaults

And, Graham, how does this fit in with the statistic that 60 % of rape victims know their attacker.

I would be interested to hear your response.


Originally posted by Graham
I think Spearmint Rhino will bring down the tone of Sheffield. At chucking out time we will have lots of sexually frustrated men leaving the area looking for relief. Women are right to fear an increase in sexual assaults. Other towns like Blackpool have succeeded in preventing Spearmint Rhino from opening. The protest on Saturday from 7pm outside the new club in Brown Street will be the first stage of preventing them succeeding in Sheffield.
Graham

Which is best club?

Depends what you want from a club....

Best Girls: Rhinos
Best atmosphere: Dollar (my personal fav)
Best surroundings : Goodfellas.

why are girls better in rhino?

Just seem better looking. However the girls are great everywhere!

Any smart man who walks into a lap dancin club will realise that he's little more than a £20 note sat having a drink, if he's nice to talk too and doesn't try to feel up the ladies then he's also probably a bit of job satisfaction rolled in.

Personally, I've got zero problem with that. Ya see baboowhateveryournameis, it's the girls and the club that are taking advantage of the poor deluded, intoxicated guys and not the other way round. Either some of the girls working at rhino's are the best actresses I've ever met, or they enjoy their work. Why can't you accept that some women are just different and find working as a lap dancer exciting. Everyone's got their kick (even you no doubt), just cos you'd feel used, it doesn't mean they do.

Guys and girls are different, accept it.

Originally posted by Babooshka
As a female I have to say you all disgust me! Places like this make me SICK! I know they exist and this will always be the case.

AND a 19 year old girl from Leeds! Do you not think that she should be in education instead of being the object of your momentary lust?

I'm female and do not agree with any of your rantings. Jeez, I thought people like you died out in the 90's.

As for the girl in Leeds, what business is this of yours? She is a lap dancer because that is her choice and why the hell should she be in education at 19? You'll be giving us the fire & brimstone stuff next, I suppose.

Somewhere along the line you have to realise that you do not speak for anyone except yourself and you have no right whatsoever to do so. Nobody's asking you to be a lap dancer and, yes, these girls do it because they want to. Nobody forces them and I'm sure they would tell you exactly where to go if you cared to ask them.

Kindly refrain from thinking you're entitled to mouth off for every woman on the planet. I make up my own mind, thank-you, and I'm sure the lap-dancers can as well. They do not feel used just because you say so. In fact, on a recent documentary on tv the girls all loved their job and there was intense rivalry among them to work the best clubs. Or do you think no-one is allowed their own opinion except you?

Originally posted by JimmyNailgun
Any smart man who walks into a lap dancin club ....

.... would have to be the club owner !?

I think any really smart man would not allow himself to be exploited by the girls in these places (or exploited by anyone else for that matter).

Many years ago the government decided I should go on a training for work scheme, spent 9 months working at Virgin Megastore for about £45 per week.

Looking back on it I often think how exploited I was, obviously I'm wrong. Being exploited doesn't involve working a 37.5 hour week at about £1.20 per hour. Instead it involves paying £20 for 6 minutes worth of a hot woman dancing on my lap. Tragic.

Maybe when we hear about all those folks in far east Nike sweat shops being exploited, they're actually talking about gettin busy with the geisha!. No wonder those trainers cost so much. :)

I don't think spearmint rhino is a threat all the slezy mingin predatory guys go to kingdom! A night out there is far more dangerous.

Originally posted by Jamie
.... would have to be the club owner !?

I think any really smart man would not allow himself to be exploited by the girls in these places (or exploited by anyone else for that matter).

Its only exploitation if the parties involved aren't aware of the consequences of what they are doing. 2 consenting adults - 1 making good money, the other paying the good money is not exploitation.

Originally posted by wibbles
Its only exploitation if the parties involved aren't aware of the consequences of what they are doing. 2 consenting adults - 1 making good money, the other paying the good money is not exploitation.

Its only the same as gambling, drinking or most other past times. Lets face it, men have about as much chance getting a lap dancers (real) phone number as they have of winning the lottery! The man knows he is basically there to get some enjoyment and paying for it, the woman taking advantage of the fact to make the money. Both agree to do it, theres no problem. At the end of the day, gambling, drinking, drugs, lap dancing, whatever, its all throwing your money away for enjoyment and if you cant enjoy yourself in life, whats the point.

:)

Originally posted by Mooseyb
Its only the same as gambling, drinking or most other past times. Lets face it, men have about as much chance getting a lap dancers (real) phone number as they have of winning the lottery! The man knows he is basically there to get some enjoyment and paying for it, the woman taking advantage of the fact to make the money. Both agree to do it, theres no problem. At the end of the day, gambling, drinking, drugs, lap dancing, whatever, its all throwing your money away for enjoyment and if you cant enjoy yourself in life, whats the point.

:)
That is a very good point well made :clap:

Hookers are everywhere because lots of men really do love sex... they are like sex toys for most hetero male. We couldn't stop them from growing like mushrooms. Accept it or not, they are existing.