Anyone read the story on the front of the Metro today????

2030

The world is heading for an energy catastrophe within a generation, as oil runs out and greenhouse gases soar, official figures show.

On the tram from Hillsborough this morning a group of 15 year old school kids were discussing this terrible news...........

Girl one - Will we will be dead by then?
Girl two - No we'll be about 25!!!
Girl three - Don't worry it says there'll still be gas.

Oh my lord. Which is more scarier????

Read 'The Party's Over' by Richard Heinberg

I think girl number one is my favourite :D

Well, we've been amusing ourselves to death for decades....this reaction is to be expected.

I think we will have some problems but I don't think it's too late.

But education and awareness is important - joining the dots between consumerism, conspicuous consumption and the energy problems of the planet is a vital first step.

Joe

Originally posted by SimonS
Anyone read the story on the fron of the Metro today????

2030

The world is heading for an energy catastrophe within a generation, as oil runs out and greenhouse gases soar, official figures show.



lets hope it the case. :D

Originally posted by SimonS
Anyone read the story on the front of the Metro today????

2030

The world is heading for an energy catastrophe within a generation, as oil runs out and greenhouse gases soar, official figures show.



And yet we still insist on burning fossil fuels. Oh well, best start stockpiling now ;)

Originally posted by SimonS

Girl two - No we'll be about 25!!!


They don't teach GCSE maths like they used to.

Why does this surprise anyone...?

Surely not.

Ffs, lobby the blimmin government to invest in more renewable resources...

Anyway, why was this on the paper as though it was some sort of new breakthrough?

awwwww bless!


Well at least they werent talkin about the best way to hot wire cars or which dealer sells the best deals!!

Oh well, nice knowing you all. :D

Originally posted by noseyrosie
Why does this surprise anyone...?

Surely not.

Ffs, lobby the blimmin government to invest in more renewable resources...

Anyway, why was this on the paper as though it was some sort of new breakthrough?

Maybe they were running the story as a wake up call (for thick teenagers).

It should be something that is in the news all of the time....so when 2030 gets here it won't be much of a shock.

I read that we are 3 to 4 years away from a mass adoption of 'Biofuels' that are totally carbon neutral and therefore good.

So maybe it's not too late and we should all just chill.

(Phew, that's not like me)!

we'll never run out of fuel.
There are lots of renewable sources, but they won't be implemented until absolutely necassery (such is the consumerist world we live in)
BP for example are funding massive projects with regards to renewable energy, as are Shell. The corporations are finally doing something about it.

Unlike the bleddy American government

Washington Post

WASHINGTON -- The Senate insisted Thursday on opening up the Arctic National Wildlife refuge for drilling after being blocked by environmentalists for decades, then voted overwhelmingly to prohibit exporting any of the oil pumped from the region.

With a 51-48 vote, the Senate approved requiring the Interior Department to begin selling oil leases for the coastal plain of the Alaska refuge within two years.


The coastal plaine of Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR) is seen in this July 2001, file photo. Senate opponents to drilling in the wildlife refuge failed Thursday, Nov. 3, 2005, to strip the measure from a massive budget package. Environmentalists, who believe strongly the refuge should continue to be off limits to oil companies to protect the area's wildlife, had acknowledged that it was a long shot to get the provision killed and now are concentrating on defeating the overall budget bill. (AP Photo/Al Grillo)
The coastal plaine of Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR) is seen in this July 2001, file photo. Senate opponents to drilling in the wildlife refuge failed Thursday, Nov. 3, 2005, to strip the measure from a massive budget package. Environmentalists, who believe strongly the refuge should continue to be off limits to oil companies to protect the area's wildlife, had acknowledged that it was a long shot to get the provision killed and now are concentrating on defeating the overall budget bill. (AP Photo/Al Grillo) (Al Grillo - AP)

Repeated attempts to approve such drilling have failed in the Senate because drilling supporters were unable to muster the 60 votes needed to overcome a filibuster by opponents. This year, drilling supporters attached language ending the ban on drilling in the refuge to a budget measure that is immune from filibuster.

Opening the refuge, which was set aside for protection 44 years ago, has been one of President Bush's top energy priorities.

FULL ARTICLE (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/03/AR2005110301270.html)

I'm appalled, to be honest.

2030 is the idoits figure, the optimists claim 2012 the alarmists claim last year for Peak Oil and 2007 for the big rollover the time when the lights go out and masses begin to starve, WW3.......

I wont continue, i've been banging on about this subject on another thread :loopy:

http://www.hubbertwehaveaproblem.co.uk

Wayne72, I have been trying very hard to read all the peak oil material with my sceptical hat on. The argument is very persuasive, especially in light of the recent 'peak' prices.

I am assured though that new technology will replace our energy needs. I see a whole new generation of cars able to use biofuels and electric for motivation.

The Saudi's and the other oil rich countries are investing their petrodollars on finding new fuels and resources.

We shall (hopefully) get out of this one pretty much intact. (If the bird flu or rampant climate change doesn't get us first)

yep, it is all going to run out. then what are we going to do? panic and try to replace it with clean methods and be an absolute mess.

If people actually had a consience or were concerned with the environment more than how much money in their back pocket or how nice looking the area they lived in is we wouldn't have this problem.

I love threads like this one. All you conservationists or whatever sitting there in your centrally heated homes, with your electric lights on, drinking your hot cups of tea boiled in electric kettles, with the electric radios playing in the background, and you fixed to your computers typing in about conservation.

No point saying that if folk are that worried they would turn off all but the lights, pick up a good book, and sit beneath a blanket reading.

Then they get up and go outside in their lovely manufactured clothes, jump in a car or on the bus, and toddle off to work - probably in an elecrtonic environment .... and so on.

However - lets place the blame on the people trying to provide us with the things we take for granted.

I am definitely not throwing the first stone, but these threads do so make me laugh.

Dragon

so you're saying that if you use central heating you should try to do as little as possible to help out?

Even just switching lights off in rooms you dont use makes a difference. It's people with opinions like yours that make things move backwards, not forwards.

Did I say that Carl? Missed that bit. All the bulbs in my home are the energy efficient ones from the electric board, and lights do get turned off. I do my bit for the environment as well.

What I do not do is sit there moaning or doomsaying cos I know that there are too many idiots out there who care nothing and think they can deal with it when and if it comes.

Whatever.

Dragon

Originally posted by Carl_Malibu
so you're saying that if you use central heating you should try to do as little as possible to help out?

Even just switching lights off in rooms you dont use makes a difference. It's people with opinions like yours that make things move backwards, not forwards.

One of us has missed the point of Dragon's post because I read that differently to you.

I think the point being made was that while it is easy to blame Government and huge corporations for the problems the world faces in terms of global warming and the seemingly inevitable end of our oil/gas/fossil fuel reserves, they aren't the only ones who are to blame. Every one of us is, because while we don't create the means of our own destruction, we all use it's by-products - that is, energy to power our homes and our cars and our offices.

What's even worse is that even though we all know what we need to do, solving the massive problems we face requires a sacrifice on every single human being's part and that's the dilemma. People don't want to turn off their television or computer and read a book. They don't want to walk to work in the rain. They don't want to buy clothes from Oxfam made using organically grown cotton. They don't want to do the million other things they could do because they want convenience. They want ease. They want everything that requires the very thing that is contributing to the problems mentioned by the OP.

The problem isn't convincing the world that something needs to be done. The problem is convincing the world to do it.

Thanks for that limpetboy. Very eloquently put. Yes - that's basically the point.

Dragon

Originally posted by Deavon
Wayne72, I have been trying very hard to read all the peak oil material with my sceptical hat on. The argument is very persuasive, especially in light of the recent 'peak' prices.

I am assured though that new technology will replace our energy needs. I see a whole new generation of cars able to use biofuels and electric for motivation.

The Saudi's and the other oil rich countries are investing their petrodollars on finding new fuels and resources.

We shall (hopefully) get out of this one pretty much intact. (If the bird flu or rampant climate change doesn't get us first)

Yeah i'm getting more hopefull these days, but because i'm on a mission to help alter our general way of living (I am hoping to move into Politics).

Please dont rely on current substitutes as they are Net energy losers. Possibly Scientists may come up with the needed substitutes.

My Web Site is a works in progress, which is still Raw around the edges, so if you don't fully understand my page about the Alternatives, then I suggest a few Books for you, "Out Of Gas" this gives you the physics about fuels, "The Party is Over" and "The Long Emergency" an excellent book that goes into more than just Peak Oil.

My only gripe about the books is the titles, as they give the impression of scaremongering. I will say though that they back up what they say with evidence and are surpringly written with optimism of the future, that is if things are changed in time. :clap:

Well our house will stay lit up Cos I'm currently building a state of the art generator!

My Generator (http://www.wealddown.co.uk/images%20magazines/10%202000_treadmill.jpg)

[i]My Generator[/URL] [/B]

I've got that too, in fact it's my favourite track of theirs, that Roger Daltrey's dead cool:hihi:

Originally posted by wayne72
...My Web Site is a works in progress, which is still Raw around the edges, so if you don't fully understand my page about the Alternatives, then I suggest a few Books for you, "Out Of Gas" this gives you the physics about fuels, "The Party is Over" and "The Long Emergency" an excellent book that goes into more than just Peak Oil...

It's great that we can take the question beyond Peak Oil. I think we will face up to our current cheap energy supply with it's problems and change our behaviour accordingly before the bell tolls for us all...

And then we will start to learn how to manage our huge groups of population on this Earth in a reasonable manner. (hopefully).

Originally posted by daverity
I've got that too, in fact it's my favourite track of theirs, that Roger Daltrey's dead cool:hihi:

He's old now isn't he?

Wonder if he'll do the decent thing n die.... :hihi:

Originally posted by Don_Kiddick
Well our house will stay lit up Cos I'm currently building a state of the art generator!

My Generator (http://www.wealddown.co.uk/images%20magazines/10%202000_treadmill.jpg)

Don, I know of some places that use 'bull dump' as a primary energy source. Perhaps you are volunteering your services??

I'm hurt :( :( :( :(

Originally posted by Don_Kiddick
I'm hurt :( :( :( :(

Don't be.

I fully support your new alternative power source for transport that you were showing off yesterday in town.

Don_Kiddick's lift to work (http://www.rumorguru.com/pics/car-4.jpg) proved very popular!

think about it how long have we had cars 200-300 years if that.
the fact is gas conversion arnt cheap but not bad at 2,000 a pop.
we were put her to reproduce, and evolve and adapt, we will do as we always have done adapt.:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Originally posted by Deavon
Don't be.

I fully support your new alternative power source for transport that you were showing off yesterday in town.

Don_Kiddick's lift to work (http://www.rumorguru.com/pics/car-4.jpg) proved very popular!

The wife's starting to make all our own clothes too, to save energy.

I've bought her a new portable sewing machine.

Here it is in our lounge (http://www.slatevalleymuseum.org/images/shanty.jpg)

Originally posted by Don_Kiddick
The wife's starting to make all our own clothes too, to save energy.

I've bought her a new portable sewing machine.

Here it is in our lounge (http://www.slatevalleymuseum.org/images/shanty.jpg)

Bloody hell Don looks like you need to buy her a Hoover too, bit messy isn't she :heyhey: :hihi: :heyhey:

Originally posted by daverity
Bloody hell Don looks like you need to buy her a Hoover too, bit messy isn't she :heyhey: :hihi: :heyhey:

NO those are the trimmings from the curtains of the new Sheffield Forum pub when it re-opens in due course. :D

Anyway, to get back on thread :rolleyes: such frivolity...

2030 The year the lights go out

The blind :cool: :cool: :cool: shall inherit the earth :thumbsup: