High-speed trains would be most effective over journeys between 180 and 360 miles, roughly the distances between London and Leeds, and London and Edinburgh.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3465221.stm

Yet again it seems Sheffield again may lose out to the Bright lights of Leeds :(

Just the way it is. It seems to be the norm these days - Sheffield is once again ignored. I mean does Sheffield actually exist down in London?

As far as they're concerned, anywhere North of the M25 doesn't exist.

In fact take a Londoner anywhere North of Luton and he thinks he's on another Planet or summat.

Sheffield station is a killer to go North / South, Be better off running through Meadowhall station and North along the M1 to Leeds and South down toward Nottingham.

When I was reading this earlier on today. the logical answer to having something like this in sheffield would be to reinstate the victoria station. after all, its facing north-south. use midland station as a station to go to everywhere and then possibly the victoria to have the high speed service between leeds and london.

With the current state of Britains railways does any one actually belive this will happen? I think it would be a more effective use of money to get the trains running on time and not falling off the tracks every 5 mins.

Originally posted by rickmiles85
When I was reading this earlier on today. the logical answer to having something like this in sheffield would be to reinstate the victoria station. after all, its facing north-south. use midland station as a station to go to everywhere and then possibly the victoria to have the high speed service between leeds and london.

yeah that would be great, but somehow i don't think it will happen............a good idea though.

Originally posted by rickmiles85
When I was reading this earlier on today. the logical answer to having something like this in sheffield would be to reinstate the victoria station. after all, its facing north-south. use midland station as a station to go to everywhere and then possibly the victoria to have the high speed service between leeds and london.

That seems logical but would it ever happen, I doubt it...

Doesn't it also come down to a geography thing?

The line through to Midland Station is a bit windy and rattly as it snakes through the channels and cuttings and tunnels on it's way in and out of the station. Not really high speed inducing is it.

We have no overhead lines either do we?

Originally posted by jackthedog


We have no overhead lines either do we?

Looking at old pictures of Victoria Station it looked like it had overhead lines.

Originally posted by 367squadron
Looking at old pictures of Victoria Station it looked like it had overhead lines.

Does anyone know of any pics online, I wouldn't mind having a look at the old Vic station.

Try the Sheffield libraries photo site pictureSheffield.com or summat like that.

Originally posted by Rich
As far as they're concerned, anywhere North of the M25 doesn't exist.

In fact take a Londoner anywhere North of Luton and he thinks he's on another Planet or summat.

Where did you get that impression from?
I'm from down there and I live in Sheffield! I would say that most people I know from South of the M25 have indeed heard of and been up North and liked it alot. So much so to relocate here. It is a shame you have this impression.
I know more people in Sheffield who have never moved away or been down South than the other way round!

Thought I should clear that one up! :loopy:

I would of course love a high speed train so that when I do go back to London to visit friends and family it would be quicker.

High speed trains are all well and good, but at the moment we seem to have a problem keeping the normal (low speed) trains on the tracks. If we get loads of high speed trains before sorting this problem out, we're gonna have loads of problems, like accidently sending daily commuters into low orbit and such like.

Originally posted by Foxxx
Where did you get that impression from?
I'm from down there and I live in Sheffield! I would say that most people I know from South of the M25 have indeed heard of and been up North and liked it alot. So much so to relocate here. It is a shame you have this impression.
I know more people in Sheffield who have never moved away or

You tell 'em Foxxxy!

Where is Victoria Station?

High speed trains, are they taking the ****? What's the point of having high speed trains when the current trains are usually speed restricted as the tracks are crap.

I thought this news was very interesting but don't juimp your guns in saying "Sheffield is being left out". If you look at the map on the the BBC site, then you will notice the proposal has one line to B'ham before it forks, one to Glasgow via M'cr and one to Edinburgh via Leeds. This would mean the tains will (vaguely) follow the West Coast main line to B'ham before following that to Glasgow. To Edinburgh the route would reflect the Cross Country line to Leeds and then on the East Coast from there to Edinburgh. That means: between B'ham and Leeds the trains would pass through Sheffield. Sheffield isn't mentioned because it isn't a major rail node, but that doesn't mean that trains wouldn't stop here. Then again, I'm not holding breath as to the realisation if the whole thing....

Victoria station was electrified because of the Woodhead line to M'cr. The cables (and lots of the track) have gone, but a reopening of the line (via Midland) is being investigated. There are pictures of Victoria as it looked in teh 1980s on the web: http://www.leytransport.i12.com/shef.htm. I think it's totally destroyed now.

Also: Central Railway plan freight and passenger services from L'pool via Sheffield to the continent and are waiting government approval. The Northern councils are in favour , but the Southerners are worried about their house prices.

Don't know if this is true or not, but my old Dad used to tell me (when in my innocence I asked why the Hell Leeds and Manchester were served well by the railways and Sheffield was a piddling little backwater by comparison) that when the main lines were being planned out, the city fathers - no idea who they were - decided that the influx of people and the disruption of the work required was not in the interests of the city and that was why the mainline went around rather than through the city.

One thin I do know for certain is that Sheffield Central station is a carbunkle.

Originally posted by fnkysknky
High speed trains, are they taking the ****? What's the point of having high speed trains when the current trains are usually speed restricted as the tracks are crap.

Try reading things first :lol:

they are going to build a network of high speed tracks to run alongside existing tracks or motorways, and have bullet trains (over 200MPH) running on those special tracks

I did read it I just didn't engage my brain before typing my response :)

What I meant to say was that we can't keep the current stock of trains working at optimum levels, even if we build a new track we'll still bugger it up within a few years.

Originally posted by E-Man Groovin

Where is Victoria Station?

Where WAS Victoria Station?

Next door to the Holiday Inn Royal Victoria Hotel. I think the hotel extension and car park occupy the site of the old station - there may be one or two bits left, but not enough to run a railway!

Originally posted by 367squadron
Looking at old pictures of Victoria Station it looked like it had overhead lines.

yes it did indeed,the trains ran on 750v dc overhead lines,im told that we are the only people ever to close down an electric railway.

however i am also informed that tho cheaper to install than the 25,000v ac lines,the running costs are huge and this was probably the reason for closing it down

try this link about sheffield victoria and the woodhead route



http://www.leytransport.i12.com/shef.htm