Can anyone tell me what it is with toddlers in buggies in Sheffield being force fed sausage rolls:loopy:

Everywhere you go in town at lunchtime most under 3's are in their buggy with a disgusting fat laden sausage roll in their hands, grease oozing through the paper bag. Why do some mums do this? Not only is there zero nutritional quality in these revolting things but they must be positively harmful. The 'sausage meat' inside is a very dodgy shade of pink as well.

Always thought the same myself!, Setting up the kids with bad eating habits for life. not good.

I wouldn't feed them to my kids and your right thesausage meat is a very unnatural colour,
The thing is when you see these kids they are usually covered from head to toe in flakey pastry I especially like it when there is bits in their oozing snotty noses.:gag:

Originally posted by Englishlady
Can anyone tell me what it is with toddlers in buggies in Sheffield being force fed sausage rolls:loopy:

Everywhere you go in town at lunchtime most under 3's are in their buggy with a disgusting fat laden sausage roll in their hands, grease oozing through the paper bag. Why do some mums do this? Not only is there zero nutritional quality in these revolting things but they must be positively harmful. The 'sausage meat' inside is a very dodgy shade of pink as well.


Speaking as someone who gives my small kids an ocasional treat of a sausage roll, I will ignore your holier than thou tone.

How do you know that these children arent being fed nutritionally acceptable meals at home? Do you bother to ask these parents? Why shouldnt our kids have the ocasional treat? Are you saying that you never eat anything with unhealthy ingredients? Unless you spend hours sat in the same spot in the city centre, how do you know that these kids arent being given them as a one off treat?
What about all the city centre workers that queue for ages in greggs and such like to stuff themselves with equally grease laden steak bakes etc? Stand outside any cafe/restaurant/pub and you will see all kinds of people going in and out buying take away food that is equally unhealthy. We spotted my solicitor stuffing his face with a macdonalds a couple of weeks ago....is he loopy too?

As for them being "positively harmful".......hmm...... As with all take aways etc they have to conform to strict health and safety regulations. And if they are so unhealthy, how come i saw a couple of the dieticians from the hallamshire eating greggs sausge rolls in broomhill on friday??

nice to see such well balanced opinions on the sheffield forum again.
:rolleyes:

Very well put samsmum, couldn't agree more. I'm sure there's a few kids out there who are eating the 3rd roll of the day but generally, musm will be out shopping on a saturday and as a treat and to help keep the little one quiet what is wrong with a sauasge roll?

As samsmum points out the sausage roll is probably an occasional thing, or more likely something to keep the nipper occupied and contented.
sure there are more healthy alternatives but a sausage roll is easy for a small child to cope with and as an occasional thing i can't see the harm.
certainly no worse than some of the school dinners it will be sampling as it gets older.

Originally posted by Englishlady
Why do some mums do this?

1. Sausage rolls are cheap food and if you're a family on a low income maybe this is more important than what the ingredients are.

2. Not everyone is well versed in the nutritional value of food. This is partly to do with the appalling educational system in this country. Jamie 'Bright Spark' Oliver maybe on his soapbox but c'mon he's only preaching to the converted at the end of the day.

3. Back to the educational system. Most people can't cook and/or see it as and additional chore and are happier to buy convenience food rather than prepare something for outings.

In a nutshell it's all about money and education.

Hope this answers your question.

Well put, Samsmum. My little boy has an occasional sausage roll. If i'm feeling holier than thou, he gets a marks and spencer vegetable roll instead.

It's part of growing up. I remember getting this delicious treat when out shopping with my Mum occasionally, why should my little love be deprived?

Sausage rolls, like all other thingsthat are 'bad' for us, are there to be enjoyed in moderation, as part of a balanced diet.
Its cute when the flaky pastry goes everywhere, and if it gets mixed up with a bit of snot, then it must be all the more tasty!

Also, you'll probably find that ourcity centre is quite low on Jamie Oliver style child friendly healthy eating options.

so what !
let them eat what they want this is a country were you decide what you want not what the goverment wants or do gooders !
were you not allowed sausage rolls as a child ?
mayby you would prefer it if women were not allowed to talk in public and made to cover them selfs head haed to foot !!!
what next why do people let there kids have partys with nasty pop and crisps!

:rant:

I don't see that not giving my toddler a fat filled artery clogging 'sausage roll' makes me holier than thou. How is an unbalanced view? Those who choose to feed their children these things have a defensive view about it, I have mine, each to his own surely?

How does a child 'want' a sausage roll? Because before it can even know what the blessed thing is it's mother gives it one:loopy:

I am on a low income.
Don't see what that's got to do with it? I have little money so therefore I feed my child a 'sausage roll?'

There seems to be a warped view with some people as to what is the right thing to feed their kids.
I bought my 2 year old a punnet of blueberries in the summer to eat in her buggy. A mother on the tram exclaimed I must have more money than sense. I then pointed out to her that the blueberries cost less than her toddler's happy meal.
It's about choices at the end of the day I suppose.

Err, naughtyelf how does not wanting to feed my kids crap have anything to do with women not talking in public or covering themselves from head to foot, how bizarre.:loopy: :loopy: :loopy:

Originally posted by Englishlady
I don't see that not giving my toddler a fat filled artery clogging 'sausage roll' makes me holier than thou. How is an unbalanced view? Those who choose to feed their children these things have a defensive view about it, I have mine, each to his own surely?

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I didn't say you were holier than thou, I said that when I am feeling holier than thou, he has one of those healthier option vegetabe rolls instead of a sausage roll.

Next time you see me with my son in town eating sausage/vegetable rolls (we'll either be in the Peace Gardens or the Winter Gardens) please feel free to approach us. I'll be happy to give you a run down on his diet for the previous day/ week / month. If you're still not happy that my child is having a balanced diet, I'll bow to your superior knowledge and turn myself over to social services. Mind you, they'll probably be too busy trying to sort out families who don't feed their children anything at all to bother about a child who has a sausage roll approxiamatly once a month.

Originally posted by Englishlady
I don't see that not giving my toddler a fat filled artery clogging 'sausage roll' makes me holier than thou. How is an unbalanced view? Those who choose to feed their children these things have a defensive view about it, I have mine, each to his own surely?


Maybe its because your 1st post said this "Can anyone tell me what it is with toddlers in buggies in Sheffield being force fed sausage rolls"

How are they being force fed? Theres nothing wrong with giving a child a sausage roll. I suppose its up to you if you want to bring your child up as a do gooder tree hugger, each to their own.

Why is it that if you don't give your kids the above mentioned rubbish it makes you a tree hugging do gooder?

The force fed is a slight exaggeration maybe. But like I said earlier, a toddler doesn't sit there in his buggy and think, hmm, I just fancy a sausage roll!!!! They don't even know they exist until mum gives him one.


I suppose most of these replies go some way to answering my original question:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Englishlady
I don't see that not giving my toddler a fat filled artery clogging 'sausage roll' makes me holier than thou. How is an unbalanced view?


because you are insinuating that people who do give thier kids sausage rolls are somehow inferior to you!!!
......you have used the 'loopy' smiley, and ask "Why do some mums do this? Not only is there zero nutritional quality in these revolting things but they must be positively harmful. The 'sausage meat' inside is a very dodgy shade of pink as well."
- This to me says that you think that anyone who even considers giving their child such a food stuff must be educationally inadequate.
and im sorry but i take exception to people insinuating that im thick.

Are you saying you have never ever eaten anything like a sausage roll? you dont eat anything that is bad for you?
If thats the case, good for you.
just dont insinuate that im 'loopy' just cos i give my kids the ocasional treat.

No you are tight, kids dont know it tastes nice until given one, but that doesnt mean they can only eat these soo called 'healty' foods. There isnt anything wrong with a treat now and again. I myself get bored if I have the same old food all the time, and im sure that must go for kids aswell. I just think a sweeping statement about parents who give their kids sausage rolls is a bit over the top to say the least.

I was a bit hasty with the tree hugging statement, so I apologise, but can you see where Im coming from?

But answer me this, what is wrong with a parent giving their child a sausage roll once in a while?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Englishlady
How does a child 'want' a sausage roll? Because before it can even know what the blessed thing is it's mother gives it one:loopy:
QUOTE]


you could say the same about blueberries!!!

but i dont think my arguement would stand up in court:D

Originally posted by Englishlady
Those who choose to feed their children these things have a defensive view about it, I have mine, each to his own surely?

Looks like you have answered your own question there, it is all about choices and deffinately 'each to their own'.
how exactly are these children being 'force fed'? if the child didn't want the sausage roll it would not eat it.
If the children you see munching on sausage rolls where obese your concerns may be valid but how can we critisise a parent on the basis of seeing their child eating one snack?
I certainly hope your little one gets the occasional treat, and not fed blueberries when it fancies what the other kids are having

Spyro. I think that as adults and parents we have a responsibility to teach our kids to choose the healthier option with food. When you are an adult you make your own choices, a small child has their choices made for them.

I dare say a rare sausage roll/mccdonalds isn't going to kill them but why set them up with a taste for extremely unhealthy food?

My 13 year old was brought up the same. Now she makes her own choices at school and when out with her friends but 9 times out of 10 she will chooses a healthy option but she does eat crisps/chocolate etc sometimes. My real point I suppose is why give them stuff thats SO bad for them before they are even aware of it's existence. I even saw a mother give her BABY (couldn't yet walk) a drink of coke out of the can!!

The evidence points to children who eat a lot of rubbish do grow up to have serious health problems.

If your child eats a sausage roll once in a blue moon then fair enough.

But the fact of the matter is that when I was a child my mother gave me treats that you would consider unhealthy, but I am far from obese or unhealthy, so I dont see what the problem is.

40summat
My child has a VARIED diet, not just blueberries. Yes she does have the occasional treat but I try to make sure isn't crap.

I look at my daughter and see her little body and how perfect it is, (how perfect ALL babies are) and it just goes against the grain to start shovelling crap into her.

I don't see how wanting the best for my child is wrong.
When she is older and says can I have some..... that some other kid is having then that's different, by then her taste buds will prefer 'proper' food and there's less chance she will develop a taste for rubbish.

You don't have to be obese to be unhealthy spyro, and I'm not saying you are unhealthy.

Im not sure where it is you are coming from Englishlady. So what kind of things do you give your child to eat? What does an average days eating consist of for your child?

An average day for my daughter foodwise is,

breakfast, wholemeal bread (her choice between that and white) or cereal, no sugar of course! Or fruit and yogurt, stuff like that.

For lunch she has a sandwich with either ham or a veggie filling. (We're NOT vegetarian!)

Her tea, same as us, chicken, fresh veg, spuds or pasta with tomato based sauce and cheese/
She was never given chips when weaned so she turns her nose up at them now, but that's probably cos they're oven chips! She eats lots of rice/pasta/couscous etc.

For treats she will have raisins/rice crackers, houmous oatcakes.

She eats all these and loads of other stuff with relish (thats eagerness not hendersons!).
When she is off to parties with kids when she is older then she can choose what she eats.

Originally posted by Englishlady
40summat
My child has a VARIED diet, not just blueberries. Yes she does have the occasional treat but I try to make sure isn't crap.


And I think you will fnd that this is why people have taken offence you have made assuptions about other peoples parenting but are getting all uppety when people do the same about you.

You assume that because you have seen someone give their child a sausage roll, that that childs diet must be poor and that they are being poorly parented.

By your own admission, you gave your child blueberries, therefore, I will assume, as you did, that you only feed your poor child fruit, and you are therefore a bad parent (see what I did there?)

Get down off you high horse, you have no idea from seeing a child eat one sausage roll what there diet is like.

See where this kind of snobbery leads:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hs=Qz2&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&q=%22greggs+dummy%22&btnG=Search&meta=cr%3DcountryUK%7CcountryGB

Originally posted by scoop you have no idea from seeing a child eat one sausage roll what there diet is like This remark is 100% true, but the point made about sausage rolls being nutritionally kakky is also 100% true.

Processed sausage 'meat' contains a good deal of water, fat, sodium nitrate (cancer causing additive - yes its legal), salt, 'e' numbers, starch/breadcrumbs/rusk as a 'filler' - and the 'meat' percentage (probably around 30%) comes from low grade meat protein, from the leftover scraps of meat, ears, organs etc. Not always a bad thing - most of the 'left-over' bits on animals have been a staple of sausages for many years - but its the other 70% in the mixture which is questionable. So the calories from the sausage roll are mainly 'empty', nutritionally.

Englishlady, the diet you described IMO is a very healthy and i'm sure no one owuyld argue that. But people have different opinions.

I like to think that a good diet as a balanced diet. Now a balanced IMO includes a small amount of the crap you describe.

My little girl has meat, veg, pasta and all the items you talked about but she also occasionally has a little bit of chocolate or sometimes a chip when we eat them (my diet aint as healthy).

And why would anyone want to give their child something that is nutritionally kakky when they are so young?

And from the lofty position of my horse:rolleyes: I still haven't been convinced that this is good stuff to feed toddlers.

Originally posted by Englishlady
Why is it that if you don't give your kids the above mentioned rubbish it makes you a tree hugging do gooder?


It doesn't, that's your choice. But don't insult people who do choose to give (not force feed) their child the occasional sausage roll, that's their choice. I don't have children and personally I'd rather eat my own hand than those sausage rolls because I don't like them, but have no problem with anyone else eating them, it's none of my business.

Originally posted by Englishlady
An average day for my daughter foodwise is,

breakfast, wholemeal bread (her choice between that and white) or cereal, no sugar of course! Or fruit and yogurt, stuff like that.

For lunch she has a sandwich with either ham or a veggie filling. (We're NOT vegetarian!)

Her tea, same as us, chicken, fresh veg, spuds or pasta with tomato based sauce and cheese/
She was never given chips when weaned so she turns her nose up at them now, but that's probably cos they're oven chips! She eats lots of rice/pasta/couscous etc.

For treats she will have raisins/rice crackers, houmous oatcakes.

She eats all these and loads of other stuff with relish (thats eagerness not hendersons!).
When she is off to parties with kids when she is older then she can choose what she eats. Can I just say that you are very lucky to have a child that will eat these types of food, what about us mums that have very faddy eaters, and are just greatful when they eat something, even if it is a sausage roll....

Originally posted by s10owl very faddy eaters

Eating habits are a result of learned behaviour.

youwhatref,

You are absolutely right a good diet is a balanced one and a little of what you fancy is good for you.

I just don't see that a toddler can fancy a sausage roll (or similar) when they are so very young.

On a slightly different note, my older daughter's friend had to have 10, yes 10, teeth removed at the age of 5
:o . The mother of this child thought I was mean for not letting my daughter of the same age eat sweets. My daughter is now 13 and does eat sweets but not that often, she has no fillings.

I'm not a saint, not trying to be either, surely it's just common sense to want to look after your child's health?

Eating habits are a result of learned behaviour.

Thank you Henrietta, that's basically what I'm trying to say.:)

I have 5 children and all like different foods. Even on the monthly treat of a happy meal one likes burger (plain) one likes cheeseburger just ketchup and one prefers chicken nuggets, one eats carrot sticks one prefers milk to drink. Now where does the carrots come from becuase I don't like them, she saw the picture on the menu and said she wanted to try them (this was at age 3 1/2)

We mainly eat the same at home but some eat different. on homemade spag bol. two of my sons only like the pasta, my daughter likes it served seperate, my 2nd youngest son likes it all mixed my yougest son has it blitzed (he is only 7 months)

My daughter first tried a sausage roll when we were in greggs buying some flavoured water, she saw the sausage rolls and wanted one. We thought it was alright and she tried it and likes them but only every now and then. She was never force fed it and was only tried it because she asked. One of my sons given the choice would prefer a pear to a sausage roll any day.

As for food tastes being learned never heard so much rubbish in my life. Freash food and veg was always around me, never liked veg much. Now like a lot more veg than then eat a lot more veg than then. People always jump to conclusions see me eat fish and chips and my weight and assume I am unhealthy I only gained weight due to not being able to excercise due to a tumor on my knee. Never jump to conclusions on seeing people eat one thing. For all you could tell the child eating the blueberries is the only fruit they will have that day. Or as pointed out by you it was cheaper than a happy meal. Lots of people by food due to cost not down to it being healthy or not

posted by jubby

Originally posted by babycakesuk As for food tastes being learned never heard so much rubbish in my life

Not food tastes being learned, it was said that faddy eating habits are learned behaviour. Different thing.

Originally posted by Henrietta
This remark is 100% true, but the point made about sausage rolls being nutritionally kakky is also 100% true.

Processed sausage 'meat' contains a good deal of water, fat, sodium nitrate (cancer causing additive - yes its legal), salt, 'e' numbers, starch/breadcrumbs/rusk as a 'filler' - and the 'meat' percentage (probably around 30%) comes from low grade meat protein, from the leftover scraps of meat, ears, organs etc. Not always a bad thing - most of the 'left-over' bits on animals have been a staple of sausages for many years - but its the other 70% in the mixture which is questionable. So the calories from the sausage roll are mainly 'empty', nutritionally.

And I think this is where the big confusion arises.

Sasuage rolls are not unhealthy (per se) and in the context of a balanced diet they are nothing to worry about. This is the message that should be giving to our children.

Personally no food is out of bounds, as no food is unhealty. Kids can easily metabolise the content of a sausage roll without problem, as long as they aren;t just sitting around all day at hoime. Kids also have different nutritional needs, and a low fat diet of a very small child will probably cause more damage.

For me, it processing that is the real danger. Adding unneeded chemicals, cheap fillers and the like is just unneeded, when perfectly good food can be created with natural ingredents.

A home made sasuage roll (or one bought from a good bakery) is most probably far better than one bought from a cheap supermarket.

As has been mentioned, eating habits are learned and this swings both ways. Poor eating habits are just eating "rubbish" but also being "afraid" of certain food becuase they are barred. I think that a balance need to be struck so that a child knows it's ok to eat "all foods" but in moderation..

cos theyre cheap, quick to buy, already cooked, and easy ....ish to eat

we used to always get some cheese straws for ours when out shopping

then they get "proper" meals later

if were out shopping i normally get a cheese pasty or something

This current obsession with the 'quality' of the meat puzzles me as poorer people have never had much access to better quality meat in any case. So cheaper meat products don't contain 100% fillet or breast? So what's new? That kind of cut of meat was only ever available to the wealthy in any case. Eating ears, intestines and scraps (and oxtail, mmmmm) is not 'unique' to today's 'junk food', and much of the so-called 'crap' (e.g. liver) actually has less fat than other cuts, which is why salt and flavourings are added.

Anyway, I think the point is, people seem to be getting a bit fed up with being 'judged' on every aspect of how they bring their kids up. It's fine if you do have the time to consider every little thing, but 99% of parents are probably far too busy to worry about every little thing their kids eat.

It's funny how food has suddenly become a sin, like it is the 'new blasphemy'.

Originally posted by Englishlady
Can anyone tell me what it is with toddlers in buggies in Sheffield being force fed sausage rolls:loopy:

Everywhere you go in town at lunchtime most under 3's are in their buggy with a disgusting fat laden sausage roll in their hands, grease oozing through the paper bag. Why do some mums do this? Not only is there zero nutritional quality in these revolting things but they must be positively harmful. The 'sausage meat' inside is a very dodgy shade of pink as well.

yeh well they have to develop a layer of fat for the winter.

But a well made sausage roll can be sooo tasty, especially if its warm.

Deep insecurity about one's abilities as a parent, leading to a desperate need for said parenting abilities to be validated, leading to a need to feel superior and thus leading to an attack based purely on gut reaction usually the domain of the Daily Mail reader unfortunately spreading to even the most 'right thinking' of people.
Of course it would be nothing short of abuse to 'force feed' a constant diet of fat filled rubbish to our children, oddly enough I dont think ANYONE advocated that option.

freedom of choice means eaxactly what it says, and if a child learns that they like a sausage roll when given one, it is nobodies damned business!

Having said that..... warm sausage rolls, icky icky icky too greasy, give me a short pastry sausage roll, cold, like they made at school....... heaven!

I think at the moment our kids diet , while a concern, is probably the least we have to worry about.

Err, naughtyelf how does not wanting to feed my kids crap have anything to do with women not talking in public or covering themselves from head to foot, how bizarre.

englishlady
the point i was geting across is that dont you think its up to the parents what there child eats and not you.
we live in a country where we can decide whats best for us unlike some countrys where women can not talk in public and must be covered in public head to toe.
i guess you missed the point.
tell you what go have a nice apple :thumbsup:

Brought up on bread n drippin and bread n condensed milk in the 50s,din't do me any harm. I can just hear the errrghs now. Blimey I brought 6 kids up, they had sausage rolls, pork pies, and yes drippin cakes:o. As well as the more "healthier" food. They have grown up healthy. And so are the Grandkids. By the way some of these health food fans look positively ill. what they need is a good owd fashioned meal inside em:hihi: Blueberries ...I know what my kids would have done with them:suspect:

burnttoast
The meat eaten in the 1950's wasn't pumped full of hormones and antibiotics like it is these days.
Also there wasn't the choice of processed crap like there is today.
Bad diet and obesity are the cause of major health problems that is a fact, not my fact but a fact.

Babycakesuk, the child with the blueberries is mine and that wasn't the only fruit she had:)

A homemade sausage roll made with shortcrust pastry and sausage meat that you can account for doesn't hurt anyone I agree, but hey, it's easier to pop into Greggs and jigger the additive eh?

Originally posted by Englishlady
burnttoast
The meat eaten in the 1950's wasn't pumped full of hormones and antibiotics like it is these days.
Also there wasn't the choice of processed crap like there is today.
Bad diet and obesity are the cause of major health problems that is a fact, not my fact but a fact.

Babycakesuk, the child with the blueberries is mine and that wasn't the only fruit she had:)

A homemade sausage roll made with shortcrust pastry and sausage meat that you can account for doesn't hurt anyone I agree, but hey, it's easier to pop into Greggs and jigger the additive eh?

Yep. Poor little Chardonnay-Kylie.............She's a benefit baby......and I'm an irresponsible mum...........only had her to get a flat.........don't have to work now. And if she has ADHD, I get even more money!! Now, where are those furry boots and fake bling chains?

I don't know cloudy bay where are they?

Originally posted by Englishlady
I don't know cloudy bay where are they?

Same place as the cheap sausage rolls................God help the kids

Whoever said about the faddy eaters... spot on. I have a niece and a nephew, niece 5 and nephew 2. Niece very odd eater, will only eat when she wants and what she wants. Nephew would eat all day (and night given the chance!)

They've been given healthy, well-balanced meals since they've been able but...... (SHOCK HORROR!!) they've also had McDonalds/Sausage Rolls!!!!!!... and whatever else they fancied on trips to town/park/Meadowhell.

They aren't in the slightest neglected children, they have parents who work all hours God sends to be able to pay for anything they want and need. They aren't over weight, don't have bad teeth, are hardly ever ill and do well at school.

For someone to imply that to see a child been "force fed" a sausage roll in a pram means that their parents must be on benefits and scum is disgusting, and EnglishLady you ought to be ashamed of yourself! While you're quite happy to feed your child raisins and blueberries etc, we're quite happy to feed ours a sausage roll and a McDonalds, obviously not every day, but come on. Can't hurt them!

Honestly... some people

The reason I am not ashamed of myself Chloe is because I NEVER implied that people who gave their kids sausage rolls are on benefits or scum.

You really should get your facts straight before making such claims.
I do not believe anyone on benefits is scum no matter what they feed their kids, I and most certainly did not say they are scum for feeding their kids sausage rolls.

Honestly some people:loopy:

Originally posted by Englishlady
Can anyone tell me what it is with toddlers in buggies in Sheffield being force fed sausage rolls:loopy:

Everywhere you go in town at lunchtime most under 3's are in their buggy with a disgusting fat laden sausage roll in their hands, grease oozing through the paper bag. Why do some mums do this? Not only is there zero nutritional quality in these revolting things but they must be positively harmful. The 'sausage meat' inside is a very dodgy shade of pink as well.



Well why dont you ask some one next time your in town.then you will get the proper answer you are after.If they are that bad for kids like all the other foods that some people have problems with other parents feeding they kids then go do something about it.go try get it banned..You know this really pees me off all this,No one blinked an eye lid a few years ago about all this food lark.What is it a toff nose know it all cheff pops on tv and tell us all to feed our kids good food.
And no i dont pump my child with ice land rubbish or mc's or any fast food all day, she does eats regualr meal and fruit.but also has a treat of a mc'de or other fast food.But i see it all the time soon as a parent gives a child something bad to eat,someone has to give the evil eye or stare or give dirty look.It is not urs or anyone els business what other paretnts want to feed they kids.

Know what you mean, I get funny looks when my toddler is given something other than mcdonalds or the dreaded SR.

I've even been accused of spoiling her for giving her strawberries in her buggy. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by dieselbabe It is not urs or anyone els business what other paretnts want to feed they kids

Well you know, really it very much should be the concern of everybody - the welfare of society's children. The children of our communities are our future and everybody should be concerned for and involved in their welfare.

Originally posted by Henrietta
Well you know, really it very much should be the concern of everybody - the welfare of society's children. The children of our communities are our future and everybody should be concerned for and involved in their welfare.


Well to be honest if that how you feal then report the parent then,And also welfare of the children for schools was not that botherd when i was younger and also not botherd a few year ago till Jamie Oliver piped up about it.

Originally posted by Henrietta
Well you know, really it very much should be the concern of everybody - the welfare of society's children. The children of our communities are our future and everybody should be concerned for and involved in their welfare.

True to a certain extent when a child is being abused etc.

Lets all phone the NSPCC when we see someone in town feeding their child a sausage roll. :suspect:

Originally posted by dieselbabe
Well to be honest if that how you feal then report the parent then,And also welfare of the children for schools was not that botherd when i was younger and also not botherd a few year ago till Jamie Oliver piped up about it.

Thats quite an uninformed response to make; where do you draw the line? If young children on your street are fighting amongst themselves are you the one who turns a blind eye? If you know a child is neglected - under fed, under washed, under clothed, under loved - do you turn a blind eye?

If children are being fed empty food, do you just ignore it and allow it to carry on? 'Because nobody has been bothered about it before', does that make it acceptable..? Are you happy about some of the krud served up to our children as their school meal..? Is it better to try and raise awareness about nutrition, or is it better to ignore it and allow things to continue...

Originally posted by Henrietta
Thats quite an uninformed response to make; where do you draw the line? If young children on your street are fighting amongst themselves are you the one who turns a blind eye? If you know a child is neglected - under fed, under washed, under clothed, under loved - do you turn a blind eye?

If children are being fed empty food, do you just ignore it and allow it to carry on? 'Because nobody has been bothered about it before', does that make it acceptable..? Are you happy about some of the krud served up to our children as their school meal..? Is it better to try and raise awareness about nutrition, or is it better to ignore it and allow things to continue...


No i never turn a blind eye on any child that has been abused or neglected.But we are on about food hear nothing els, if a child look very skinny and not been fed then yes it is a thing to be botherd about,And no it does not bother me one bit what my child eats at school.i ate it just like any other children does and have in the past,if my child did not like the food she will say so and i would happy to have her home to eat.Yes i agree with you it is better to aware people to eat good,but most people do not like change it is up to the parent, not me and you or anyone eles is not going to tell them to do it,they know it been said befor.and just becuase of one sasuage roll the place has gone mad over it,How do you or anyone eles know that that child not eat proply at home,.my child does eat well, but she also had the freedom to choose what she want to eat wile we are in town if that is a roll or a mac's.does that make me a bad parent just because she eats these things once a week,how do you know how many time that parent feed this food to the kids just becuase you see a lot of kids eating them.

dieselbabe
I started this debate about toddlers, kids in buggys, too young to make informed choices, not older kids who may once in a blue moon eat a sausage roll.
As parents it is our responsibility to make sure our babies get the best start possible in life.
Surely no one here would disagree with that?

Originally posted by Englishlady
dieselbabe
I started this debate about toddlers, kids in buggys, too young to make informed choices, not older kids who may once in a blue moon eat a sausage roll.
As parents it is our responsibility to make sure our babies get the best start possible in life.
Surely no one here would disagree with that?

Does starting a thread and posting 15 posts on Sausage Rolls = giving children the best possible start in life, the weather brightend up this afternoon a nice walk in the park or something might have been nice.

It was, if a little damp after this mornings rain.

Originally posted by Englishlady
dieselbabe
I started this debate about toddlers, kids in buggys, too young to make informed choices, not older kids who may once in a blue moon eat a sausage roll.
As parents it is our responsibility to make sure our babies get the best start possible in life.
Surely no one here would disagree with that?

Yes i know.but my child was not 10 when she was born.she ate these at an ealy age too,so as does my friends kids twins at age 3ys old and does not harm them has it dint hurt her other kids when was at toddler age.one of the twins eat these all the time as he a fussy eater does not like the taste of "good food" even tho he ate all veg as a baby he will only spit it out,kids can also be fussy eaters.i made sure my child eat well at home when at younger age and she still does but also does not like most veg even tho she ate it as a baby/toddler.So all parents are not bad parents just becuase we feed these to kids.

Some people will give their kiddies sausage rolls and some will not. Just cos an English Lady (hmmmmm?) thinks it si wrong to give them to toddlers doe not make her right. I have seen people who eat a supposedly healthy diet who look like they are ready for kicking the bucket, and I have seen others who could run for miles without noticing. Likewise with supposedly unhealthy eating.

My kids have eaten sausage rolls while in their prams (long ago) and they are healthy and without any fussy diets. Pity I cannot say the same about those vegetarians I have met who seem prone to every slight illness going. But again - it boils down to choice.

I have given my kids things they do not like and those things have been catapulted out of the pram. I shall carry on giving them whatever I feel like I want them to have - and that includes the occassional chocolate bar.

Dragon

Originally posted by Englishlady
burnttoast
The meat eaten in the 1950's wasn't pumped full of hormones and antibiotics like it is these days.
Also there wasn't the choice of processed crap like there is today.

Unfortunately, as I've already said, the truth was very different. There was just as much processed meat aorund as there is today - in fact you'd have been far more likely to get served up fried corned beef or spam than a nice chicken breast - which you'd probably get once or twice a year. My mother says she was served up horse meat many a time during the war; today it would 'only be fit for pet food'.

Originally posted by Englishlady

As parents it is our responsibility to make sure our babies get the best start possible in life.
Surely no one here would disagree with that?

Your own children yes. But other people's really have nothing to do with you.

Originally posted by Henrietta
Not food tastes being learned, it was said that faddy eating habits are learned behaviour. Different thing.

Alright eating habits.

How did my daughter learn the habit of eating carrots as stated in my post I don't like them so not from me.

Originally posted by Englishlady
. The 'sausage meat' inside is a very dodgy shade of pink as well.

What colour are Pigs where you live? :suspect:

Originally posted by Englishlady
burnttoast
The meat eaten in the 1950's wasn't pumped full of hormones and antibiotics like it is these days.
Also there wasn't the choice of processed crap like there is today.
Bad diet and obesity are the cause of major health problems that is a fact, not my fact but a fact.

Babycakesuk, the child with the blueberries is mine and that wasn't the only fruit she had:)

A homemade sausage roll made with shortcrust pastry and sausage meat that you can account for doesn't hurt anyone I agree, but hey, it's easier to pop into Greggs and jigger the additive eh?

Firstly it wasn't baby cakes it was me her hubby, as stated in the post.

Also stated in the post is that you assumed becuase all you have seen is a sausage roll being eaten is the child has a poor diet, not a well balanced one, what I was trying to say was that by someone seeing your child eating fruit doesn't mean the child has a healthy diet. You mentioned in your post that you told the lady saying you had more money than sense that the fruit cost less than her childas happy meal. This could just mean that you could only afford the fruit and not the happy meal and not becuase you were trying to give your child a good diet. I know from reading your posts this isn't the case but I hope now you see where I am coming from.

Also in Meadowhell it is quite hard to get good food, as you pass a ice cream or cookie stand every 15 seconds. Also no supermarket so no where i don't think to buy healthy certernly not in the oasis.

Jubby,
I DIDN'T tell the lady I had more money than sense, I pointed out that out of the two food items the fruit actually cost less than the happy meal. The lady concerned was shocked that I would give my child a whole punnet of blueberries to herself as she felt they were expensive. I pointed out the difference. Her child's happy meal cost about 50p more than the fruit. Also my assumption ISN'T that a child eating a sausage roll has a 100% poor diet, others have interpreted it as such.

Viking, the pigs I eat are not shocking pink.

At the end of the day feed your kids what you want. I'm not telling anyone what to feed their kids, I'm wondering WHY anyone would want to feed their VERY SMALL children such rubbish.
Any now I have been told why they feed them this stuff.

Originally posted by Englishlady
Jubby,
I DIDN'T tell the lady I had more money than sense, I pointed out that out of the two food items the fruit actually cost less than the happy meal. The lady concerned was shocked that I would give my child a whole punnet of blueberries to herself as she felt they were expensive. I pointed out the difference. Her child's happy meal cost about 50p more than the fruit. Also my assumption ISN'T that a child eating a sausage roll has a 100% poor diet, others have interpreted it as such.

Viking, the pigs I eat are not shocking pink.

At the end of the day feed your kids what you want. I'm not telling anyone what to feed their kids, I'm wondering WHY anyone would want to feed their VERY SMALL children such rubbish.
Any now I have been told why they feed them this stuff.

Sorry it was meant to say SHE said YOU had more money than sense. Sorry typo. sometimes it having the thought, i would never think of that fruit as a snack....We don't have strawberries me and the kids don't like them. It is always as well letting your children try new foods. Had pumpkin pie for the first time last week, as did my wife, kids, mum and mum-in-law. All of us had never had pumpkin and we loved it, home made and fresh. Having rubard cumble tonight. mmmmmmmm

My opinion is each to their own, the parent is responsible for that child, if people have cause for concern, and this would be built from knowing the child. ie teachers, friends, relatives etc than this should be reported. If a SR is the basis of a diet and not a treat then this is wrong. I'm glad you feed your child good englishlady. I am also glad fruit is not a treat to your child just an every day food. It does concern me when fruit is treated this way, my mum was a benifit mum, before it became fasionable and she would go without so fruit was available. I did eat processed food, mainly due it being cheap and easy to cook. that still happens now over 20 years on, my wife can't cook so if it wasn't for me cooking processed foods would form part of our diet/that or take-aways. lol

Originally posted by Twiglet
other people's really have nothing to do with you

Sadly, it is the attitude of 'nothing to do with me' which can lead to people turning blind eyes to all manner of things - to work together as a caring community, we really should be concerned for every child, not just our own.

Originally posted by jubby
Alright eating habits.

How did my daughter learn the habit of eating carrots as stated in my post I don't like them so not from me.

Still, eating habits are a result of learned behaviour. Food tastes are not. I'd assume your daughter saw the carrots available, tried them, and was happy with the resulting taste.

Originally posted by Henrietta
Still, eating habits are a result of learned behaviour. Food tastes are not. I'd assume your daughter saw the carrots available, tried them, and was happy with the resulting taste.

Yes she did but did not learn the habit (an oxymoran if i ever heard one "learned habit...") from me who is not happy with taste.

Jubby, I ate a lot of processed microwave meals in the late 1980's when I was young and single and without kids.
I personally think this is one of the reasons I now have thyroid cancer (radiation from microwave). If I'd been bothered to prepare 'proper' food then the microwave would never have been used. I may be wrong.

Luckily my prognosis is good, thank God as I have 2 kids, one only 2 but it has led me to research eating habits/nutrition etc and I have been staggered at how much crap is in the food we eat. Believe me we are sitting on a time bomb.
Cancer was once an old person's disease, you go to the waiting room at Weston Park and the elderly are by no means in the majority up there.

Alot of cancers are diet related. Thyroid cancer isn't, so they say, but as it is on the increase I'm not so sure.

It makes a difference what we put in our bodies, especially very young children as they and their cells are still developing. The least crap we put into them the better.
The sausage roll thing came about because they're not just empty calories but they contain (as someone pointed out earlier) things that can harm us.

:)