anyone who due to have there houses modernise well take my advice tell them u want to move out they have taken the mick with my house the doors are worped and the light fighting are not striaght they are so mess having to stay in my mother left me with no water heat or power the plaster is rubbish it not skim wright the paper work they give you the work dont get done so fhm is not true to there work cut my phone wire and told me to phone bt to have it reconected and they will pay when your bill come in

Completely agree.

Decant where possible.

I refused to hand back the keys of the decant property until I was satisfied with the finish of the refurb to my property. Simple as that.

Yeah they've done a right bodge job on mine!

totally agree!

Ah you mean this Decent Homes programme........Sheffield homes seem to have spent MORE money on repairs on my house in repairs from the mistakes made when they did this house

Makes me laugh how the houses at Shiregreen beforehand had not been modernised for years and apart from little mishaps the houses were ok. The recent modernisations that have taken place wont last a quarter as long before needing re doing. My house was modernised 14 months ago and the skirting boards upstairs have come away from the wall, leaving a 3cm gap, the plaster at the top of my stairs and in my kitchen has cracked near the ceiling. My kitchen doors are falling off.......... to name but a few problems.

sounds rubbish, i hope none of you have paid too much to these cowboys, you want to get that dom littlewood on the case!

anyone who due to have there houses modernise well take my advice tell them u want to move out they have taken the mick with my house the doors are worped and the light fighting are not striaght they are so mess having to stay in my mother left me with no water heat or power the plaster is rubbish it not skim wright the paper work they give you the work dont get done so fhm is not true to there work cut my phone wire and told me to phone bt to have it reconected and they will pay when your bill come in

By 'my house' I assume you mean the councils?

All my door frames are out of line, half my doors dont fit in the frames properly. The only decent thing theyve done is the windows I think. I know these houses used to be sooo cold before. My kitchen is getting ripped out in new year, and going in the bin cause its shabby and cheap. The fires surrounds theyve fitted are crap, the actually fires (electric) do kick out some heat but the surrounds get scratched and dented soooo easy. I was told all the walls would be replastered - great so I though... the stairs, and front bedroom are lining paper so we've ripped it off, only to find that they didnt even bother to remove the radiator before lining paper went up and it was purple woodchip! The old tennant (who I speak to) said 'Yes the bedroom was purple woodchip when I lived there' niiiiiiiice workmanship I think NOT. The heating system, I havent had much trouble with but my neighbours are forever asking my OH if he would just try to see the problem with theirs. This so called driveway, mine is ok but you cant get a transit van on - its not wide enough :rant: Just about get our car onto the drive with inches to spare. My neighbours drive is on a slat with no drainage so all water collects by her front door. Theyve replaced privit on the fronts with fences but on one side of my front, theres a green fence thats falling down, its held up by one thing - yet they refuse to replace! What else do I say? We're having EVERYTHING replaced, all the woodwork in the house (currently working room to room as we're decorating) and the kitchen will be gone in the new year replaced by a half decent one where the doors dont fall off, or and whole wallmounted units dont fall off (they refused to put it back up after it fell on my head!)

anyone who due to have there houses modernise well take my advice tell them u want to move out they have taken the mick with my house the doors are worped and the light fighting are not striaght they are so mess having to stay in my mother left me with no water heat or power the plaster is rubbish it not skim wright the paper work they give you the work dont get done so fhm is not true to there work cut my phone wire and told me to phone bt to have it reconected and they will pay when your bill come in

"Anyone who is due to have their house modernised, take my advice and tell them that you wish to move out. They have taken the mick with my house! The doors are warped and the light fittings are not straight; furthermore, they are so messy that I am having to stay with my mother. They left me without water, heating or power and the plaster is rubbish! It is not skimmed correctly. Indeed, they give you paperwork, yet the work does not get done. As such, you could say that FHM are not true to their word. Finally, they cut my phone wire and told me that I would have to contact BT and pay to have it reconnected. Rant over"

You got fencing? Lucky you

You got fencing? Lucky you

Oh yeah, my neighbour who lives on a corner plot had her tall, thick privit bulldozed away and a small metal fence put up - her garden is forever full of rubbish, her privacy is non existant now. I have had one side of my front replaced. On the back garden, I have had one small section of fencing - and they completed effed up the boundary line (im just up from the corner, all gardens go into each kind of thing) and they crossed the boundary after id told the workmen where the line was - and they went into someone elses garden - she werent impressed, shes owned her home for 30 or so years! It took them months to rectify it. Id have rather not have had the fencing done. Oh, and 2 doors away from me have had half the fence done (concrete posts and panels) so she has 2 sections done, and the other section they stuck a broken pallet into it and said theyd come another day to sort it has they hadnt got the right size on their van - that was April 2010.... not so lucky after all love.

Cowboys. They think because you are not paying for the work they can do a bodge job. If I owned my house and they did the rubbish job they've done, they wouldn't be getting paid

Well I must be one of the lucky ones as Im really happy with mine! Yeah theres the little things that arent perfect but thats to be expected with such a massive job. Anything Ive reported theyve been out and sorted too.

My street or the surrounding streets didn't get fencing.......yet a couple of streets away fencing has been done. The reason given was that they ran out of money.

The only thing I was really unhappy about was that I couldnt have a wall for my front garden, I had to have railings because of a tree. Fair enough but theyve now said theyre cutting the tree down in the spring!

Did anybody else see the thread title and think it was about rain in Shiregreen?

Did anybody else see the thread title and think it was about rain in Shiregreen?

Nope I was hoping it was about the streetlamps that have been out nearly a week :hihi: Which i have reported and still not been fixed :|

Nope I was hoping it was about the streetlamps that have been out nearly a week :hihi: Which i have reported and still not been fixed :|

Oh Streetfarce are so funny when you ring them. I had to ring them the other week regarding streetlights not on. Now bearing in mind it was pitch black I got asked "how do you know that they are not working........"

Yes on fircroft the lighting's out, Quite scary if you have to pop to the shop in the evening

Its not just fircroft area. Its Gregg house road/cresent. Bellhouse Road (from about the junction with hatfield house) right down to Nethershire Shops, if not further down (I havent purposly gone out and looked) but it is sooooo scary - its pitch black apart from the odd security light thats on. Ive not seen anyone around looking at the lights - I reported it on fixmystreet im going to ring them now I think! Its stupidly dark all the crap lately about (that sticky thread at top of sheff diss - not mentioning it incase the thread gets closed!!!!) so im a tadd paranoid, its terrible having to drive with full beam on - turn them off for other cars heading the other way - put them back on etc etc grr

Can't believe some of you are moarning about having work done for free, flippin heck you've had new windows, new doors, new electrics, new kitchens...Have I forgot anything?? So if little things go wrong get it fixed yourself and stop whinging, remember all the other stuff you have had done free of charge!

I dont think its free though summa. Rent for a decent home, I dont pay £100 a week for a house that is crap. Do you think cupboards falling off walls is decent? Or at all, passable work? If my son had been stood where I was - I dont even want to think about it. Ive had to have surgery on my teeth after this incident as one of my teeth broke in half. So, no. Its not 'free of charge' its actually £100 (ok just under £97 something) per week plus the dentist payments.

No gina you pay for the property, when you take out a morgage, just because you pay £400-£500 a month doesn't mean they are lieable for the 'regeneration' of a house does it?
What would be the quality of the house if this association hadn't started doing them up?
Having the house re-wired or just having new PVC doors and windows on is a couple of grand.
My point was that this work, regardless of how much rent a tenant pays to rent the house this work is being done for free, so if somethings arn't up to scratch don't moan about it get it sorted.
As for the falling cupboard, yeah it was a bad but say it hadn't been done and a unit that had been up for 20 odd years fell of the wall who would be to blame?

No gina you pay for the property, when you take out a morgage, just because you pay £400-£500 a month doesn't mean they are lieable for the 'regeneration' of a house does it?
What would be the quality of the house if this association hadn't started doing them up?
Having the house re-wired or just having new PVC doors and windows on is a couple of grand.
My point was that this work, regardless of how much rent a tenant pays to rent the house this work is being done for free, so if somethings arn't up to scratch don't moan about it get it sorted.
As for the falling cupboard, yeah it was a bad but say it hadn't been done and a unit that had been up for 20 odd years fell of the wall who would be to blame?

Yes but renting and buying have totally different conditions. I rent my house, its in a decent state apart from some major flaws. If I took out a private tenancy, and some of the things like the fence falling down on my front for example, the landlord/lady would fix or replace. Sanctuary arent even entertaining me when ive brought the issues up. My door, is very hard to shut and lock - they will not entertain me saying its 'normal' yet go try all my neighbours doors - theyre fine and you dont struggle to shut/lock them :confused: As for 'dont moan get it sorted', what do you think we're doing? What my neighbours are doing? Oh, and only 'some' houses got re-wired, re-plastered... mine certainly didnt its all patchy work. Its not the housing ass most are complaining about its the contractors - a bunch of cowboys. FHM Really have something to answer for. If you dont know the state of the houses then I dont think its something to even try to comment on really, some of the houses are in a terrible state after this 'decent' work. Im lucky, my house is minor issues which we ARE tackling ourselves as our landlord/sanctuary wont even bother discussing the issues anymore. I feel for those whos homes are terrible ie my neighbour (who quite often fills her kettle up at my house as the 'workmen' have left her without water for days, shes in her 70's, her hubby is disabled as is her son....)

I do know exactly what you are talking about I see the FHM workmen on our estate all the time, my mother in-law had her house 'done' last year, and yeah a few problems but after having most of the work done by them she had the rest done herself.
As for renting the house, years ago when me and my partner had our first council house, it was a disgrace, hardly any kitchen cupboards, walls, when you pulled the wallpaper off half the flippin' wall came down with it! But no one would help us, we had to do it from scratch, so my point is unless it's a real danger, surely people could do some work themselves?
And Im sure these houses have to be passed by a clarke of works, so if they can pass it to their regulations, it can't be that bad?

But saying you see FHM on your estate all the time... doesnt mean youve seen the shambles theyve done around Shiregreen does it?

Its not a point of doing the work yourself, its the point that this h/a have said they will do X, X and X but havent done it. Why say something if youre not going to do it? TARA meetings (which every tennant pays for) also brought up these issues, months back. Nothing has been done about it.

As for the C.O.W... theyre more bent than the bloody workmen! If you saw some of the things they passed off - it beggars belief!

I have seen loads of friends/familys houses that FHM have worked on, living on estate where all the house's are being 'modernised' it's hard not too.
I understand it must be frustrating if they say this, this and this is going to be done by this date and it isn't, but thousends of homes are being done, that would cost grands otherwise.

Surely its simple maths though? That even the thickest of people could work out? Lets say...

Avg kitchen costing: £1600. 1000 houses = £1.6 million. But they only have £1.4million. They need to stop promising people things and pull their fingers out.

Or people stop expecting things for nothing.
They must begin start on budget, but nothing ever goes to budget, so thats probably why money gets short.
And it's all well reckoning up the price of 1000 houses having £1600 kitchen, no labour charges for joiners, electritions, plasterers, plumbers have been included. Seems these associations are being given hard time for tyring to improve their tenants quality of living.

Or people stop expecting things for nothing.
They must begin start on budget, but nothing ever goes to budget, so thats probably why money gets short.
And it's all well reckoning up the price of 1000 houses having £1600 kitchen, no labour charges for joiners, electritions, plasterers, plumbers have been included. Seems these associations are being given hard time for tyring to improve their tenants quality of living.

No I was saying call it £1600 for all of it... (I know full well it'll be alot more) but just saying it'll cost around £1600 ... its simple maths. They need to sort it out and fast. As again, its not FREE! Ill agree to disagree with you, in my opinion, I pay rent - I expect a decent state home not one whats in a mess, therefore imo it isnt free. A hard time? Ha, right yes when they dont send anybody to the tara meetings to discuss and chat with tennants? Instead you have to make an appt with someone youve never heard of, who wont come and have a nosey at the standard of work in the houses but sits behind his/her desk saying 'theres a checklist here - its fine'.... :roll:

Don't agree gina, rent, is just that, to rent your home, to have the sercurity of knowing, if say your window went through, they would replace it free of charge, if your plumbing went, they would fix it... My mate, council house heating packed up last saturday night, they came out and repaired it within 2hrs, no charge.
Like I said years ago you got a house as it came, and believe me in near on deralict states, and you sorted it, and still paid your rent.
If a agreement is made to do whatever work on your house, then it should be carried out but remember how many houses they are doing and doing it for the tenants benifit.

Don't agree gina, rent, is just that, to rent your home, to have the sercurity of knowing, if say your window went through, they would replace it free of charge, if your plumbing went, they would fix it... My mate, council house heating packed up last saturday night, they came out and repaired it within 2hrs, no charge.
Like I said years ago you got a house as it came, and believe me in near on deralict states, and you sorted it, and still paid your rent.
If a agreement is made to do whatever work on your house, then it should be carried out but remember how many houses they are doing and doing it for the tenants benifit.

Ive seen some of the states people have moved in to. I lived in Moorfields, Shalesmoor before they did them up (well, only seen the new windows when driving past not sure about the insides) and ive had to live in a flat full of damp, kitchen falling apart, windows rattling etc etc. I still dont see where its free - as a landlord, if the boiler goes down its down to the landlord to fix it regardless of council or private. Its down to the landlord to sort out a gas safety check yearly. Its also down to the landlord to make sure their homes are in a bloomin decent state. I wasnt agreeing with you btw...

Wasn't agreeing with what??
Look my point was as a tenant of a council house, you pay to rent the house and have the security of knowing if anything goes wrong, (examples on previous post) they will sort it, but it's the tenants responsiblity to make the house in a 'bloomin decent state'.
And if the housing a/s try and give people a helping hand and try and help with these improvement finding falut all the time and moaning about eveything that goes wrong is silly, just get on with it, if they hadn't started any of these improvments where would everybody be?

Nevermind Summa... nevermind! You obviously dont realise that the govn is paying for people to not live in poorly maintained homes, therefore councils have money to fix them up. How does this govn survive? (aside from lending it and ploughing into debt) it survives with the taxpayers, everyday people who live in these houses. Look at private landlord rules and realise that ALL landlords (wether on a small or larger scale) have to abide by pretty much the same rules. If they hadnt started the decent homes scheme then everyone would be cold, elderly would still be dying, people who cant afford to do the work themselves would be living in homes that were a mess, we'd be a shoddy country all in all. Seens as you havent seen the standard of the average SHIREGREEN property then I dont think youre comments are really constructive at all. Tennants are raising issues because they have to put up with it.

Yes on fircroft the lighting's out, Quite scary if you have to pop to the shop in the evening

The only lights on that road still are outside my house :hihi:

Nevermind Summa... nevermind! You obviously dont realise that the govn is paying for people to not live in poorly maintained homes, therefore councils have money to fix them up. How does this govn survive? (aside from lending it and ploughing into debt) it survives with the taxpayers, everyday people who live in these houses. Look at private landlord rules and realise that ALL landlords (wether on a small or larger scale) have to abide by pretty much the same rules. If they hadnt started the decent homes scheme then everyone would be cold, elderly would still be dying, people who cant afford to do the work themselves would be living in homes that were a mess, we'd be a shoddy country all in all. Seens as you havent seen the standard of the average SHIREGREEN property then I dont think youre comments are really constructive at all. Tennants are raising issues because they have to put up with it.

Its the same company, FHM, doing this work, they will work to the same spec, regardless of wheather it's Wybourn or Shiregreen. Unless your saying it's only shiegreen tenants that have had problems?
Oh and as for people living in cold homes, give over, never mentioned heating your moaning your new PVC door is a bit sticky and they haven't plastered your front room- Hardly a reason to complain is it?

I totally agree Gina I used to private rent and the house was done up immaculately. The few problems we had got fixed straight away and when waiting for my deposit back they noticed a small scratch on a kitchen worktop and charged for it. You're not paying rent for a house that's falling to bits, if you are private renting you wouldn't so why would you with a council house. Sorry Summa but our housing association has payed these cowboys to do a proper job, they can't really get away with doing half a job. How would you feel if a contractor did half the job when modernising your house? you'd be on her ranting and raving too

When we moved into our first house, we did the work ourselves, out of our own pocket. I just think that these housing associations are doing the tenats huge favour, this is a relatively new scheme, doing the kitchens, bathrooms, even gardens!! Think of how much money they are saving the tenants, and to rant about little bits that have gone wrong is petty, in the grand sceme of thing a sticky front door is nothing.
As for not plastering the house, come on, surly these are things people should do themselves!
The cowboy builders will have to work to buliding regulations set by trading standards and other groups, so if you have a problem you should take it up with them.

The problem with a lot of this work is you get electricians coming out to fit your doors when they are plainly not fully capable.

They have actually plastered my front room (to a point!) its now falling down after less than 2 years. As for a sticky front door - its my back door and its not sticky (!) dont try to dumb down the problems summa, because theyre issues that need sorting. My door, doesnt shut unless its locked. You have to push the handle down slam the door into place and rag the handle up and lock it otherwise it pushes itself open - its a PROBLEM that needs fixing but they wont do it becuase the cowboys keep coming out saying its fine. They havent done gardens either, theyve put driveways on some properties and half done fences. I was told as were many others the whole houses would be replastered but some rooms are just lining paper and they havent bothered to take the radiators off the wall before lining the wall :o Even I can take a rad off with ease and empty it to decorate and put it back on the wall and refill! Im not saying people round where you live havent had problems but im saying, the workmen around here are being paid by SANCTUARY the workmen where you are are being paid by Parkway is it? They might be getting different rates of pay so the jobs might be better done where you live. They certainly arent here. Nor, is it free (but you'll come along and insist it is right?)

Oh and might I add, my driveway isnt wide enough for a van only a car at a push. And after they had done this driveway, industrial sand was left at the back of it and I got infested with flying ants over the summer on my front. Oh and while we're on the driveway subject, they went through the drainage - I have poo floating around the front of my house on a regular basis - and its not even my own dumps its my neighbours :gag: Guess what though, the workmen cant smell it :suspect: Riiiiight.... this is the work ive had done 'for free' !!!!

Right drainage, if it's raw sewage phone enviromental health.
Work rates have nothing to do with it, all buliding work is regulated by bulding regulations, so regardless of pay they ALL work to the same spec.
Why is internal decorating work an issue,have it plastered yourself and if you can take the radiator off why don't you just do it?
As for free, when we had a council house, we paid rent, we had to sort the house and the garden out ourselves, plastering, new kitchens, no one helped us out, yet we still paid the rent, so yes this work that is being carried out is free to the tenant, because Gina if they hadn't done the work, you would still be paying the same rent.

No, I wouldnt be paying the rate actually, my rent up by so many £'s after my fence and driveway was done :) Then went up again on the new tax year (april that is, btw.) The drainage should NEVER have been touched. It shouldve been buried underneath the ground by a few foot. Still though - dont you think sanctuary/fhm should be doing something about it? Ive had EH out and various companys whove all said yep they hit the S**tpipe!

Do they really work to the same spec? REALLY? Think about. If youre getting paid £10 an hour (example, dont shoot me down in flames because it'll be more/less or whatever as youre obviously so much better than me and are still arguing against a brick wall... dont headbutt it!) and youre told by your supervisor, plaster that bedroom, you have one day (7 hours, say? £70.) the same day, a different bloke (on a different estate) is told £8 per hour, go plaster that bedroom (7 hours, say? £56) youre telling me they'll be the same quality? :hihi: Get a grip honey, of course its not going to be the same standard. It will be p-ss poor standard, because its crap rates of pay. I should know my step dad has been working around here tarmaccing.... he said its crap pay but its a job for now, and he said no way will he work his guts out doing 12 - 14 hour days when the money is as bad as it is. Money talks, it speaks bloody volumes!

No chance gina, if enviromental health have been out and said it is raw sewage that is 'floating around your front, it would have been sorted asap, no doubt about it, it's a health issue.
Gina what don't you get lv? Working to building regulation means, if it is passed by a clark of works then it must be up to the right standards, and if you don't think it is or was get intouch with the building standards agency and have them quality check it.
Can't believe you are actually boasting that your step dad not working hard because his pays crap, maybe he should count his lucky stars that he managed to get a job, when at the min they are few and far between.
Rent goes up with inflation, everything does, get over it.

Oh as for the arguing with a brick wall compliment, I just think it's a bit mardy to be moaning about little flaws in a huge job, that would have cost you thousends if you had paid for it yourself.

Oh Summa go headbutt that brickwall. Passed the regs or not - its not decent work. The plaster is falling off the wall, why should I sort something when it was 'done' by these cowboys, then I decorated! So now ive got to pay out for replastering AND decorate again. It dont work like that. A private landlord wouldnt expect you to start plastering his/her home up.

Do you not think ive had people out who say its fixed and a few weeks later its a mess again? Do you think I leave it just festering away on my front? Nooooooo!

Of course things go up with inflation, but im saying that my rent up after the house was done, then went up again in the tax year... rarely the rent goes up during the year unless its April time - tax year ending/starting.

I wasnt boasting he didnt do the work properly im saying... he is going to work 5-6 hours days rather than 12-14 hour days isnt he because the moneys still the same (basic wage at that). Count his lucky stars he has a job? Hes self employed and people are forever asking him and his boys to go do work as his rep is a good one. His business had a slow patch so he did some bits for tarmac. What im saying is, it happens. My dad, stepdad, brother in law (2 of), my partner and my aunt are all in the building trades and I see first hand what goes off. Building regs this that and the other have no bearing on what these 'workmen' do... End of. Agree to disagree this time, youre making yourself look a right t**t.

I know when the tax year is gina, oh self employed in the building trade so I do know what i'm talking about.
The drainage. you said workmen came out and couldn't smell it, make you mind up, cause now EH have been out and it get fixed and then it's a mess again.
Your step dad, why doesn't he go and do the other jobs then?
Why would you be stupid enough to think that standard buliding reg, especially on this scale have no bearing on what your workmen do???? Do they comply to some other standards agency, some other health and saftey spec what no-one else has heard of?
Come off it Gina, I'm not the one on here crying about work that has gone a bit wrong, when having any building work done things tend to go wrong on a day to day basis.
So if anyone one looks a t**t it's you mate, name calling, telling me to headbutt a wall, because, by the way, poeple are full are tricks like that arn't they! and contradicting yourself.
As I said, if you have real concerns about your home, get building standards agency out, now that isn't too difficult is it, or maybe 1 phone call is not enough hassle for you.

:hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

Point and proven.
Cheers mate :thumbsup:

The problem with a lot of this work is you get electricians coming out to fit your doors when they are plainly not fully capable.

Ehhh, my husbands an electrician on the regenerations in and around t
sheffield and he certainly hasnt had to fit a door?!?

I said earlier that Im happy with my refurb, and I am, but I do agree with Gina.
We RENT the houses, they BELONG to the council, therefore why should we pay ourselves for improvements on somebody elses house? They are simply improving their OWN houses.
Also my neighbours house was done at the same time as mine, and its just been one problem after another for her, even now, 11 months down the line. Theyve been out again and again doing various repairs, which they wouldn't have had to do if they'd done the job right in the first place.

Ehhh, my husbands an electrician on the regenerations in and around t
sheffield and he certainly hasnt had to fit a door?!?

Why, was he too busy plastering :rolleyes:

Point and proven.
Cheers mate :thumbsup:

Aiiiiiiight :rolleyes:

I said earlier that Im happy with my refurb, and I am, but I do agree with Gina.
We RENT the houses, they BELONG to the council, therefore why should we pay ourselves for improvements on somebody elses house? They are simply improving their OWN houses.
Also my neighbours house was done at the same time as mine, and its just been one problem after another for her, even now, 11 months down the line. Theyve been out again and again doing various repairs, which they wouldn't have had to do if they'd done the job right in the first place.

Yes you rent the houses, this is a new scheme, right? So before they did this everyone still had to pay rent and believe it or not did the home improvements yourself.
Yes they have agreed to do this, for the benifit of their tenants, yes if work is started it should be finishd, but the scale of this build is huge, problems usually occur, stop moaning about it.

Aiiiiiiight :rolleyes:

Aiiiiight what?
Was directed at Gina, when confronted with questions she refuses to answer and resorts to humor, because she has no substance to uphold her post.

Yes you rent the houses, this is a new scheme, right? So before they did this everyone still had to pay rent and believe it or not did the home improvements yourself.
Yes they have agreed to do this, for the benifit of their tenants, yes if work is started it should be finishd, but the scale of this build is huge, problems usually occur, stop moaning about it.


Where exactly have I moaned? If you'd bother reading my previous post I said I was happy with my re-furb.

Point and proven.
Cheers mate :thumbsup:

Why on earth is Gina wrong here exactly? OK I get that 'YOU DID ALL YOUR OWN WORK' - well more fool you!

You pay rent for the house which you don't own, the council do so it's up to them to make it 'decent'. Gina shouldn't have to be chasing people to put things right because they should have been done right in the first place by qualified work persons, who at one time, took pride in their work. Unfortunately, when this kind of work was being done around where I live, the work 'men' were all about 17 and did not have either the experience nor the pride/job satisfaction that your more mature work person would have.

I don't really think your point's valid summa, at the end of the day the council own the houses so it's up to them to put them right.

I have seen the results of these modernisation jobs and quite frankly have been appalled by the standards. However a COW can come in and accept the conditions are beyond me because I know they wouldn't live in the pits they expect council tenants to live in.

Fortunately I don't have that problem, I pay a mortgate and pay for my own work to be done on my own property. Never in a million years would a workperson be walking away from my gate expecting to be paid if they'd left it in the state that the concil bodge it & scarper lads have left various properties.

Aiiiiight what?
Was directed at Gina, when confronted with questions she refuses to answer and resorts to humor, because she has no substance to uphold her post.

Youre hilarious, you know that dont you? I have no substance, really, awww!

I actually put the smileys cause I have better things to do with my time than try to teach an old dog new tricks ;) T'ra.

Why on earth is Gina wrong here exactly? OK I get that 'YOU DID ALL YOUR OWN WORK' - well more fool you!

You pay rent for the house which you don't own, the council do so it's up to them to make it 'decent'. Gina shouldn't have to be chasing people to put things right because they should have been done right in the first place by qualified work persons, who at one time, took pride in their work. Unfortunately, when this kind of work was being done around where I live, the work 'men' were all about 17 and did not have either the experience nor the pride/job satisfaction that your more mature work person would have.

I don't really think your point's valid summa, at the end of the day the council own the houses so it's up to them to put them right.

I have seen the results of these modernisation jobs and quite frankly have been appalled by the standards. However a COW can come in and accept the conditions are beyond me because I know they wouldn't live in the pits they expect council tenants to live in.

Fortunately I don't have that problem, I pay a mortgate and pay for my own work to be done on my own property. Never in a million years would a workperson be walking away from my gate expecting to be paid if they'd left it in the state that the concil bodge it & scarper lads have left various properties.

When we lived in a coucil house, you either did the work yourself or lived in it the way it was, why on earth would you consider that foolish to do you home up how you wanted??
Secondly, if people are that appalled by the work, and have so many complaints, take it further, trading standards, if things are actually as bad as you lot are making out. I have seen the work they have done, same company doing the renovations on this side of town, my mother in law has had hers done and they were great, she wanted her own tiles, so she bought them and they did it, same with flooring, same with paint, same with the light fittings, they were more than happy to do the work, which was good. Yeah little things have gone wrong but nothing to cry about.
HOw would people have ever managed if schemes like this didn't happen??

I said earlier that Im happy with my refurb, and I am, but I do agree with Gina.
We RENT the houses, they BELONG to the council, therefore why should we pay ourselves for improvements on somebody elses house? They are simply improving their OWN houses.
Also my neighbours house was done at the same time as mine, and its just been one problem after another for her, even now, 11 months down the line. Theyve been out again and again doing various repairs, which they wouldn't have had to do if they'd done the job right in the first place.

I think that constitutes moaning.

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I think that constitutes moaning.
Do you? Really? Why would I be 'moaning' about my neighbours house? Get real!

Why mention it then? my posts were directed at those whinging about the work, you were happy, why chip in then love??

Youre hilarious, you know that dont you? I have no substance, really, awww!

I actually put the smileys cause I have better things to do with my time than try to teach an old dog new tricks ;) T'ra.

Dodged it again, very clever, if thats one of your tricks love, keep them to yourself there usless in the real world.

By the way the 'old dog'...Classic! Out of the mouths of babes.

And youve not had your house done, so why did you chip in the first place? 'Love'

NO, my own house. If you re-read my posts you will see my point, I'm not repeating myself go back a few pages.

But when you were renting a council house you probably had the option to buy after you had lived there a few years. At Shiregreen you can't do this (unless you have been a tenant since the council owned the houses). So its okay you saying people should do the work themselves, but they pay the rent for a house that will never be theirs.

But when you were renting a council house you probably had the option to buy after you had lived there a few years. At Shiregreen you can't do this (unless you have been a tenant since the council owned the houses). So its okay you saying people should do the work themselves, but they pay the rent for a house that will never be theirs.

I didn't buy the house I was living in, my point was this scheme is new, if it wasn't there what would people do? Never do their house up? And my point about doing the work meant, the majority of the expensive work has been done, kitchen, bathrooms...Surley things like plastering your home is your responsibility, the council haven't always done this much work and people still managed to have 'decent' homes.

Ignoring other posts on here that i just cant be fussed with. We were with the housing association in Shiregreen. The house we lived in was just ridiculous. We ended up leaving it and getting into debt with the housing association because the house was just in a horrendous state. The gap around the kitchen window was wide enough to stick my arm in and the wind was blowing in from the outside. There were cracks in the ceiling, the front of the house was lopsided and the whole place was just a wreck. We constantly bugged them, there reply was because they couldn't catch us and our next door neighbours in at the same time they couldn't do the work.
We ended up moving out because i was a few months pregnant and it was leaving me feeling very ill....and somehow the association still managed to get away with it. Surprise surprise a week or two later they carried on work with the house.

I wouldn't touch them with someone elses bargepole and have been alot happier with private rent.

I didn't buy the house I was living in, my point was this scheme is new, if it wasn't there what would people do? Never do their house up? And my point about doing the work meant, the majority of the expensive work has been done, kitchen, bathrooms...Surley things like plastering your home is your responsibility, the council haven't always done this much work and people still managed to have 'decent' homes.

But the council has always had modernisation schemes going. I remember years ago my uncle having his house done up at Southey which would have probably been on par with the 'decent homes scheme'.

It's not new and it's the responsibility of the council to maintain their own properties above the level of decorating. Anyone who choses to 'do up' their own council house should be given a rent decrease to cover their costs.

I think some people on this thread are under the mistaken opinion that "Sanctuary Housing" are doing up these houses out of the goodness of their hearts.

As far as I'm aware the money has come from the EU, because the property's were in such a state and had been neglected whilst owned by the council, most didn't have central heating, double glazing or upstairs toilets. All these things the council had provided for other estates around Sheffield but ignored Shiregreen.

I have spent a lot of money on my home and have only allowed them to put in the double glazing and the only way I would allow that is for them to bring in a different team that wasn't working on the regeneration.

The workmen are ignorant, rude, dirty (they never clean up after themselves) and totally incompetent of doing the job for which they get a very good wage for. But then they are sub-contracted from out of the area at the cheapest price going and probably aren't even fully qualified.

They have cost me quiet a bit over the past couple of years, replacing plants and pots they broke, having tyres replaced due to the rubbish they leave around and they haven't done anything apart from the windows on mine.
This because they have no manners or consideration for anyone who lives on the street that they happen to be working in.

It is ok for others to give their opinions of these things but unless you are subject to it then you really have no basis to form an informed opinion. It would just be an opinion based on your belief and speculation, would it not?


BTW, Should this thread not be on the larger "Sanctuary Housing" one?

I think some people on this thread are under the mistaken opinion that "Sanctuary Housing" are doing up these houses out of the goodness of their hearts.

As far as I'm aware the money has come from the EU, because the property's were in such a state and had been neglected whilst owned by the council, most didn't have central heating, double glazing or upstairs toilets. All these things the council had provided for other estates around Sheffield but ignored Shiregreen.

I have spent a lot of money on my home and have only allowed them to put in the double glazing and the only way I would allow that is for them to bring in a different team that wasn't working on the regeneration.

The workmen are ignorant, rude, dirty (they never clean up after themselves) and totally incompetent of doing the job for which they get a very good wage for. But then they are sub-contracted from out of the area at the cheapest price going and probably aren't even fully qualified.

They have cost me quiet a bit over the past couple of years, replacing plants and pots they broke, having tyres replaced due to the rubbish they leave around and they haven't done anything apart from the windows on mine.
This because they have no manners or consideration for anyone who lives on the street that they happen to be working in.

It is ok for others to give their opinions of these things but unless you are subject to it then you really have no basis to form an informed opinion. It would just be an opinion based on your belief and speculation, would it not?


BTW, Should this thread not be on the larger "Sanctuary Housing" one?

It is the same company FHM, that are doing the work on the estate I live on, as I said I see this work first hand My mother in law and other family members have had their homes done also, I was not commenting on the housing association, but the work being carried out.

Think yourselves lucky you don't live on parson cross,the state of some of these houses is appalling. I had new bathroom and kitchen done year and a half ago, the plasters already cracking all over, also still waiting for back door to be fitted, been on order for over a year!Cow boys the lot of em

It is the same company FHM, that are doing the work on the estate I live on, as I said I see this work first hand My mother in law and other family members have had their homes done also, I was not commenting on the housing association, but the work being carried out.


It may be FHM doing up Wybourn but they are not the actual workmen. It is sub-contracted out.

They obviously got a better set on your estate. Probably because by the time they started there were more decent workmen out of work due to the recession than when they picked those that are working at Shiregreen.

Also the work is being carried out on behalf of Sheffield homes so maybe their Clark of works is a wee bit more on the ball as far as the work is concerned and will not pass a home/ job that has been done under spec. Not so with the Sanctuary Housing. Clark.

He passed the house next door to be and they have had nothing but problems.

The plasterers took all the old plaster off the walls, which was quiet thick and replaced it with the thinnest of coats. Now we each hear every sound that the other makes.
Not very nice listening to your neighbour going to the loo.

I do agree with you about if you can doing stuff to your own home, then you should. But a lot can't and cannot afford to hire someone to do it.

People are within their rights to complain if jobs are being done in their home incorrectly. You have to remember that it might be Sanctuarys house but it is our homes.

I can hear plaster falling down the walls if i bang into them does anyone else get this? hehe