Sheffield is the 5th largest city in the UK and we don't have a premiership team :( . How would feel if the two clubs (Wednesday and United) decided to merge and form a 'super club'?

No way! Are you crazy?

Don't worry, we'll have a premiership team next season. :D

What would you call the team, Sheffield Thursday? :P

Originally posted by "WISH3096"

What would you call the team, Sheffield Thursday? :P

No Sheffield Sunday - cos that would be the League they'd be playing in! :P

Many fans of both clubs are against the idea and claim they would not support a merged club. However if the 'unlikely' merger was to ever happen I think many of them would change their minds. The potential for a very well supported club certainly exists, success would create a 'Super Club', but is certainly not guaranteed. Neither club has the potential to challenge the Premiership big boys in the forseeable future and that statement can be applied to at least 50% of the current Premiership clubs too. A merger would create a lot of interest and maybe create a decent Premiership team in the city, but I doubt it will happen.

It could work. I wouldn't want to see it happen, but a merger would certainly benefit the city.

Where would they play?

Hillsborough is bigger, but Bramall Lane is a lot closer to the city centre.

Merge Wednesday and the scum? Are you kidding? Only a pillock or some businessman with more brains than sense would think about it. A merged Sheffield team would only draw outsiders and those types who watch the Steelers and wander around Barkers Pool in their new Man Urinals shirts. :evil:

Blue Owl, what exactly are you talking about? Let's start with speaking english please. What is a pillock, is that like the sheep you like to date? You have to get it through your head that one good soccer team is still better than two "wanna be's" halfs, even though you consider one half to be far better than the other.

We are talking monies and success here man, not your misguided pride and loyalty.

Oh, plus we would change the shirt colors too.... Any suggestions?

I.M.Joe King
Outsider?

Outsider, too damn right pal! As for "pillock" look it up in the dictionary matey, it might be a few up from "prick", or are you not from the 7 hills? By the way I see lots of sheep wandering up and down the Parkwayon a Saturday dodging traffic from the dual carriageway! Why you are on a Sheffield discussion board I can only guess but I picture you as some pretentious student holed up in a garret in Crooke, seething at the silver spoon which has seen you born and brought up in the leafy Home Counties.

Misguided loyalty? Well on a serious (and none mick taking note) nobody has yet explained to me who will watch this Sheffield merged team. The dedicated fans who watch their teams home and away have had their misguided loyalty tied by generations of support. Sheffield City (TM) in their blue and red stripes, who would go to watch them exactly? The great thing about Sheffield is tradition, and in the past the two teams have also struggled.

The point is that the teams have always come back to the big time due to the support, even when hideously mismanaged by chairmen like Dave Richards. If you knew anything about football you would realise that the game as a whole is going through a bad time but Wednesday and United will fight back. Heck, although it pains me to say it, United aren't doing too badly right now! For Wednesday the fight back will take some time.

Merged teams in Sheffiled? Ask the fans, we're the ones who pay at the gates, and without us there's nothing but a kick about.

Go and take your mergers into business studies sunshine

Blue Owl, I am certainly not an Yorkie outsider. I was born and raised in Darnall, in an area that is now I believe to be totally industrial. But, looking at your patriotic and eloquent response I have to agree with your opinion. Maybe, it's really all about having heart, faith and years of firm dedication to a good cause. Yes, I agree that we cannot just ignore a teams decade of history and fan base and change it all just for more profit and bragging points.

But, I add with caution do we need two teams? Maybe one of them should just be absorbed by the other?

Blue Owl, you are a true Owl's fan. Thanks for the discussion and I wish you well.

Joe King :)

Joe King - any chance you're going to register soon? :D

Originally posted by "BlueOwl"

A merged Sheffield team would only draw outsiders and those types who watch the Steelers

I am a Wednesday fan, but more a Steelers Fan so do you care to explain what you mean by that. The Sheffield Steelers are the only successful sports team from Sheffield!! As well as the Tigers

Why bother merging? The Blades are the prominent team. Wendy will get relegated and go out of existence, then there will be only one premiership team in the city, end of argument.

:D

If they did ever merge (yeah right) then they would be called Sheffield Wednesday!! They would take the Sheffield from United & Wednesday from the Owls!!

It would be played at Hillsborough cos to be honest it is the better ground of the two!!

Holds more too

bad idea for Wednesday and united to merge, as it would cause too many bitter united fans to revolt, and glory support someone else :/

would never happen swfc are going down the pan and they would only bring sufc down with them. toatlly bad idea. sufc should have the lime light for a change.

SUFC may be an embarrassingly small club with no long-term hope, but SWFC is recognised as a potentially huge club. If (when) we succeed in the future, we will once again be frequenting Wembley and flying high, while the Pigs will be where they deserve to be - the lower leagues !!!

I don't know whether my point is as valid as the fans here as I don't follow football in the slightest.
But they're both Sheffield. A merged team would be for the benefit of the city, surely.
I'd rather football was about raising the profile of the city and bringing more opportunies with it, rather than having two groups of fans in different coloured shirts calling each other pigs.
So speaks a non-football fan.

hi i'm moving to sheffield on the 2nd of feb (argggggghhh scary) and the flat i have is not far from bramel lane, i was wondering if there is much, congestion, noise or trouble after matches or is the police control good?

How's about disolve both Wednesday & United and get some multi-millionaire to invest his monies into Sheffield Football Club, It wouldn't take long before it was a premiership team which the whole city could then support.
Didn't some millionaire invest in a Non league Spanish team (I think it was on the Canarie Islands) and 5 years later it was winner or runner-up in a European competition?
This would be the only way of stopping the embarassment of the long running loosing streak that Wednesday are having and it would also stop United from being promoted.
Sheffield Football Club is the oldest Football club in the world and this would result in a huge world-wide following, maybe even surpassing Manchester United.

I'm not serious by the way, just thought it would be amusing. Before any non-football heads think it sounds like a good idea!

Get real, merge! "tha c'n f**k r8 off"

The idea of merging with Sheffield FC was flaunted about a few years ago, being the oldest pro football club in the world and making it big (well - bigger) would be a great marketing angle.

why not have a 3rd football club...maybe with their home at the don valley stadium....
oh!! after of course both united and wednesday are going down in the 3rd division....loosers!!!!
rotherham kicks ass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

foreverdelayed wrote:hi i'm moving to sheffield on the 2nd of feb (argggggghhh scary) and the flat i have is not far from bramel lane, i was wondering if there is much, congestion, noise or trouble after matches or is the police control good?

With United currently chasing promotion, you may well find you'll get a bit of traffic/parking congestion and some crowd noise on match days, depending how close to the ground you will be living. I don't think you will see much trouble, South Yorks police generally keep good control at matches.

I live in a house one street away from the ground in the mid 90's. If you have a car it's important to get parked up before the game starts as the traffic is pretty heavy and you can follow the score by the roar of the crowd. It no other inconvenence though.

The police are good at their job, and the vast majority of fans well behaved and the BBC stick chiefly to 'greeting' visiting fans with similar hobbies.

I think you'ed have generated less rightous indignation if you'ed suggested Sheffield merge it's two cathedrals, to increase gate sizes and take advantage of one sects larger venue. :) Why is football taken so seriously?

:D hillsbourough is a betta ground altogether in yorkshire to admit i am a blade they r crazy emerging [Mod - profanity removed] that

Originally posted by "Anonymous"

why not have a 3rd football club...maybe with their home at the don valley stadium....
oh!! after of course both united and wednesday are going down in the 3rd division....loosers!!!!
rotherham kicks ass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'd like to see another club in Sheffield and Don Valley seems a good enough spot to me. How about Sheffield Town? Sheffield City? Sheffield Rovers?

Im a Blade.

Sense says merge. Sense says, develop (with council help as with Manchester City) the Don Valley Stadium to a 50,000 seater, sell both grounds, merge clubs. Sense says, make a deal with Sheffield FC for the title.

Play on with 28,000+ crowds, a decent stadium and a decent future.

There should be a combined total crowd of 40,000 but there will be drop off from some fans who will not like the proposition.

It is not about maximising opportunities or anything like that, it just makes sense to have one decent Sheffield club with good prospects rather than 2 clubs with good history but no chance of challenging for top honours from one season to the next.

As for the moment though - C'mon you mighty red & white wizards

Originally posted by "RPG"

bad idea for Wednesday and united to merge, as it would cause too many bitter united fans to revolt, and glory support someone else :/

Well, Everyone could then get behind Sheffield FC or Hallam FC. I'd like nothing better to see these clubs rise into the Football League.

Originally posted by "Lickszz"

bad idea for Wednesday and united to merge, as it would cause too many bitter united fans to revolt, and glory support someone else :/

Well, Everyone could then get behind Sheffield FC or Hallam FC. I'd like nothing better to see these clubs rise into the Football League.

it wouldnt happen, too many of Unitedites are Glory Grabbers at the moment, we'd lose them to arsenal or similar

Combining the two teams is probably the msot stupid thing I've ever heard. Would you see Man U and Man City merging?? LOL I don't think so.
And as for needing two teams there is no need but then people have two cars.

TIMES CHANGE, THE MONEY IS NO LONGER IN THE LOWER LEAGUES, DO YOU NOT THINK THAT BY SELLING THE 2 GROUNDS, MAKING 1 SUPER STADIUM AND WITH A COMBINED FAN BASE WE CAN CREATE SHEFFIELD FC?

BY THE WAY, WATCH THIS SPACE FOR MORE DETAILS OF THE ABOVE PLAN. IT MIGHT BE CLOSER THAN YOU THINK!!

Jon - turn your Caps Lock off! No need to shout :wink:

People who think the Owls and Blades should merge and become some sort of automatic premiership side don't understand what makes Sheffield's true football fans tick.
These people are not the fans of either club.It doesn't matter if you are an Owl or a Blade it goes much deeper than football as in simply the sport or even how successfull a team is.
Your club is a huge part of your life of your very existance going back as far as your earliest childhood memory it is burnt deep into a persons very soul!
Iam a Wednesday fan I would rather support the Owls in the third division
than a United Wednesday hybrid team in the premiership and Blades fans feel exactly the same.
One Sheffield club would not get 40,000 gates it would achieve I think around 10,000 on a good day.Sheffield is a two club city and that should allways be so. So many great days past, we are all used to the bad times as well it's what makes good times so much sweeter.
So here's to the future with our two proud clubs long may they live in our great city of Sheffield! :!:

Trouble is, Wednesday might not stay a 3rd div team if the s**t really hits the fan financewise. You need to stay in div 1 or you've got even more problems than you have now.

I have been a Blade fan since when I can remember, possibly 4 or 5. I love my club but am just looking at the current state of football. No one institution can hold back time no matter how much I would like it to.

We can't stand at games anymore, it isnt a contact sport anymore (just look at Keano nowadays). Footie will change and the clubs will have to change with it.

Sad sorry state of current times.

I'm something of an outsider when discussing football - I only take a passing interest in it - so this may sound a bit naive, but the vast sums of money involved in top level football at the moment seem to have had their part in stifling the game. Anyone agree football as a whole would be better if there wasn't so much money involved overall?

Sorry dont agree.

We always had an exciting top league. Unfortunately the european teams always had the beautiful football in theirs.

Post Sky & Premier League we now have the 2nd best league in Europe. The Spanish league remains the best but I believe that geographics just tend to shade it in their favour in that the best south american players will virtually always go to Madrid & Barca as opposed to Manchester & Newcastle.

So no, cannot agree.

Originally posted by "JonHarrison"

Sorry dont agree.

We always had an exciting top league. Unfortunately the european teams always had the beautiful football in theirs.

Post Sky & Premier League we now have the 2nd best league in Europe. The Spanish league remains the best but I believe that geographics just tend to shade it in their favour in that the best south american players will virtually always go to Madrid & Barca as opposed to Manchester & Newcastle.

So no, cannot agree.

I didn't necessarily mean less money just in UK football :)

The future of both Sheffield clubs has to be of concern, we may be die hard Owls or Blades but neither club has achieved that much in the last 80 years, yes the potential support is still there but has either club got a realistic hope of competing with the big boys ?
Wednesday have dire financial problems, United may have to take a financial gamble if they get promotion, just to maintain Premiership status. Look what happened at Leeds this season, having to sell some of it's best players because of heavy debt and a poor league position and that with nearly 40,000 average home gates. Only Man Utd and Arsenal are making the money to afford the top European players, Chelsea and Newcastle are striving to challenge them but are both in debt and without income from European cup competition would surely have to cut back.
The bubble has already burst for many clubs and without changes some clubs will inevitably go under in the next few years. I don't think it would be wise to dismiss the possibility of a Sheffield merger, wether we like it or not at some point in the future the decision to merge may be made for the benefit of Sheffield football. Let's not forget that 150 years ago neither club existed - will they both exist 50 years from now ?

Brilliantly put MichaelMeister. I love my club and to be honest do not find the merged clubs idea palatable. Unfortunately, reality must be faced sooner or later.

I see the financial points of a merger but surely this would be only a short term gain. The first time the new club went through a bad patch which it surely would and sooner rather than later, they would quickly fall into financial trouble again.
I strongly believe that the one club would recieve attendances a long way short of the figure you come up with by adding together United and Wednesday's average gates. The sense of rivalry generated by having two
clubs in the city creates exitment and passion from childhood and carries on in adulthood.
I feel that football is going to change over the next few years and will see a large fall in the running costs of clubs.It's allready begun in divisions 1 2 and 3 as we see clubs cutting players wages to more sensible levels,the pemiership clubs will do this also as the vast majority of them are in deep financial trouble.

Yikes!!! No way do us Blades want to be merged with the scum of the earth - the pigs. Sod that - the pigs are are bunch of loud mouthed, two faced, false, gobby gits. The BLADES are down to earth fans, who look after each other.

Also, I have been to Hillsborough on several occassions (I am ashamed to say - can fellow Blades forgive me!) years ago, and not once did I feel any friendliness or atmosphere. That ground is crap. Bramall Lane on the other hand, well, need I say more - what an atmosphere, and, the fans are fantastic.

Convincing post Top Blade ????????, how many years of research went into that ?
Been to Hillsborough several times have you ?
WOW !
Keep going to the Lane - they need you !!!!!!!

If United make it to the Premiership I don't think they will be too keen for any sort of merger. Perhaps Rotherham and Sheff Wednesday could merge and form a South Yorkshire super club. :lol: :lol: :wink:

Don't need research for Hillsborough - it's obviously the only ground where the scum of the earth (pigs (of the football sort - although, I must admit that the pigs cannot play football let alone understand it)) hang out!

Yes, unfortunately, I have been to the pigsty several times - can fellow Bladesmen forgive me of treading on crap ground.

Oh, don't worry - I will keep going to Bramall Lane - after all, it is a much better ground, and, there isn't any **** to trampell on - unless, of course, the scum b*$t@*d pigs are there.

Come on you BLADES. :D :lol: :lol: :wink:

As for a merger, I think the pigs and Barnsley are better suited, don't you!!!! :wink:

Originally posted by "Top Blade-FTP"

Don't need research for Hillsborough - it's obviously the only ground where the scum of the earth (pigs (of the football sort - although, I must admit that the pigs cannot play football let alone understand it)) hang out!

Yes, unfortunately, I have been to the pigsty several times - can fellow Bladesmen forgive me of treading on crap ground.

Oh, don't worry - I will keep going to Bramall Lane - after all, it is a much better ground, and, there isn't any sh*t to trampell on - unless, of course, the scum b*$t@*d pigs are there.

Come on you BLADES. :D :lol: :lol: :wink:

As for a merger, I think the pigs and Barnsley are better suited, don't you!!!! :wink:

united and barnsley?

you seem to forget, averages of 20000 per match at hillsboro' and under 10000 at utd..

its well known the blades are a bunch of uncouths

Oh dear, need I spell it out for you - I T !!!! No dear, the pigs are those scum that supposedly play football on the outskirts of Sheffield - which isn't really Sheffield now, is it! Anyway, the scum pigs and Barnsley - got it!!! Or do you need to go back to school again! I think the latter would suffice.

:)

Hmmm - under 10,000, at Bramall Lane - what, this season! Don't think so. The 20,000 or so (so you say) that go to that ground - are they dedicated pigs or are they just there for a day out (because it's cheap)? Again, I say, the latter.

rpg, are you so jealous of Sheffield United that they are doing so well, and Wednesday are not doing so well! The BLADES are the best in town :D , at least they are not a bunch of false, pathetic, moaning, good-for-nothing trollops - were the blokes actually use hand cream and file their nails - oh so girly. :shock:

Come on you BLADES - ftp.

not really, also, insighting flaming isnt tolerated on this board

TopBlade-ftp, you are more than welcome to post on the forum if you can control the swearing and tone in your posts. The usual procedure is to submit interesting posts or topics which can be argued, agreed with or debated, if you are unable to do so I suggest you head to a more appropriate forum like those on network54 where schoolboys like you post, because your embarrassing yourself on here !!!!!

The Blades are going up, the blades r going up, and now ur gonna believe us and now ur gonna believe us, and now ur gonna believe us - THE BLADES R GOING UP!

Erm... i dont think so - for one what good will wednesday do to da mint side of sheff utd newayy :D (lol - joke) and the main events in sheffield is the derbys!!! Plus - which stadium would we use - what colours, what badge, what manager, what division - 2 many things to sort out and it just cant be done!

the home terraces would run blood red - there are too many idiots on both sides to make any sort of merger anything but a definite no-no.

As a Owl, I'd be appauled if we merged rather than go out of business.

Wednesday till I die

M.

sheffield wed N' utd as one club hahaha[...]haahahahhaa give over

Robyn

We'll use Don Valley Stadium (after a refit), use the white stripe of their kit and the red and black stripe of our kit.

As for the squad, they've only got about 5 players left so we'll put them in the reserves to start with okay!! :D

I think that sorts out the 1st team problems.

Cardiff here we come!

Originally posted by "geoffbowen"

Sheffield is the 5th largest city in the UK and we don't have a premiership team :( . How would feel if the two clubs (Wednesday and United) decided to merge and form a 'super club'?
How DARE you suggest such filth Geoff?
Just when I was thinkin that this place had an ounce of self respect, you go and say some stupid comment like that!

You should be hung drawn a quatered for such a remark!
That's like asking Man U and Man City to merge! (except we all know Man U are loaded)!

Anyway, they could just share a stadium rather than merge teams (not my choice, but it would save money)!

Or better yet, just disband Sheffield Wednesday (cos United were here first and are by far a superior team) and leave Sheff U to be what everyone feels it is..... the PRIDE of Sheffield!!!

errrmmm......
DaBouncer wrote:
Or better yet, just disband Sheffield Wednesday (cos United were here first and are by far a superior team) and leave Sheff U to be what everyone feels it is..... the PRIDE of Sheffield!!!

"cos United were here first" ?
Where ?

Sheffield Wednesday Founded 1867
Sheffield United Founded 1889

Wednesday Pride of Sheffield

We cannot argue with facts.

By the way, did you know that Utd were called the Owls to begin with! Yeuch. Glad we changed that :)

JonHarrison wrote:
By the way, did you know that Utd were called the Owls to begin with!

I think that Wednesday were nicknamed 'The Blades' and United 'The Cutlers' originally Jon.
Wednesday became the Owls when they moved to Owlerton !

Was it the cricket team that was called the owls then? Remember my father saying something to this effect.

Utd came from the cricket team didnt we??

Wouldnt all this history and nostalgia be lost if we applied the cold hard economics of business? Should we support uneconomic clubs because they are part of the community or should they be just judged as businesses?

The Wednesday Football Club were founded by The Wednesday Cricket club Jon, if that helps.

Going to have to do a little delving in the internet archives :?

Originally posted by "Michael_W"

errrmmm......
DaBouncer wrote:
Or better yet, just disband Sheffield Wednesday (cos United were here first and are by far a superior team) and leave Sheff U to be what everyone feels it is..... the PRIDE of Sheffield!!!

"cos United were here first" ?
Where ?

Sheffield Wednesday Founded 1867
Sheffield United Founded 1889

Wednesday Pride of Sheffield
DOH you're right... i was confusing Sheff U with Sheff City FC.

But either way, we're still better... so you can't argue THAT fact! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Some very good books about the Sheffield clubs and the history of football in the city Jon, which will help you, I have a copy most of them. United being formed came about partly because Wednesday decided to stop using the Bramall Lane ground for their big matches.

...Bramall Lane - former home of Yorkshire Cricket !

HISTORY
Sheffield Wednesday FC was formed in 1867 by the members of an existing cricket club. The name "Wednesday" arose because the players were only free to play cricket or soccer on Wednesday afternoons. The football club is the fifth oldest League club in the world. For various political reasons, Wednesday declined the opportunity of becoming a founder member of the Football League. However, one of Wednesday's founders, Charles Stokes, went on to found Sheffield United in 1889.

Wednesday's first game in the Football League was against Notts County on September 3rd, 1892. They won 1-0. Since then, the club has grown into one of the biggest and best-supported clubs in the UK. The

The club ground is located in the Hillsborough area of northern Sheffield, and it is usually known as "Hillsborough". The record attendance is 72841, achieved at a 5th round FA Cup tie against Manchester City in February 1934. The current capacity is about 40000. The ground used to be called Owlerton (after another nearby area) and this is how the club got their nickname - the "Owls". Prior to this, the nickname had been "Blades", a reference to the Sheffield steel industry. This name was subsequently taken on by Sheffield United, Wednesday's biggest footballing rivals!


And then we all know that Utd went on to big and better things... :)

and why they were called Wednesday? Cos they played on Wednesday afternoons and the majority of them were butchers - so thats where the blue and white stripes came from too.

The piggies (red and white , streaky bacon and not their habits <g>) is equally as obvious. And whilst we are on about it, which team has played in the 4th division?

M.

You lot would be there in 2 seasons if they still had a 4th div. Unfortunately you will only go down to the 3rd!!

Where do they go from 3rd? Playing Sunday league footy!

Woo Hoo come on you blue's... do Sheffield proud and get relegated from Div 3!

Then it'll show once and for all.... who the REAL pride of Sheffield 'Was/Is/and ALWAY will be! :lol:

THE BLADES

Err.... I wrote the original comment in order to provoke a conversation. Given this topic is now 7 pages long, I conclude it works...

So less of the hung, strung and quartered talk... :lol: :D

Originally posted by "geoffbowen"

Err.... I wrote the original comment in order to provoke a conversation. Given this topic is now 7 pages long, I conclude it works...

So less of the hung, strung and quartered talk... :lol: :D
Dont start summat you cant finish Geoff :wink:
Damn what am I thinking you have the power to lock the thread... DOH :shock:

Agreed Geoff.

Concluding arguments anyone?

Even though I am a die hard Blade, I personally think that a merged Sheffield team called Sheffield FC would be the best solution playing at Don Valley (after a major refit). It would benefit Sheffield as a whole.

We'd even have a decent sized 'firm'!

Originally posted by "JonHarrison"


We'd even have a decent sized 'firm'!
By my understanding the BBC are already a decent sized firm and more tight nit than most. Aparently they outclass the OCS on every 'off' and can hold there heads up high against the bigger teams.

Don't get me wrong, I don't in any way condone football violence... I personally don't see the point. The comments above are just what I've heard from people within both sides fo the groups!

Sheffield Wednesday and United merge been thinking about this alot and i think the two teams should merge & this is how it works Sheffield United keep the Sheffield and Sheffield Wednesday keep the Wednesday...The new Sheffield team will be called Sheffield Wednesday :wink:

But then we'd have to be relegated! That cant be good.

Apparently there's been 22,000 people infected with SARS in Sheffield. SARS (Severe Acute Relegation Syndrome) :D

Toodle pip

Originally posted by "Jon"

Sheffield Wednesday and United merge been thinking about this alot and i think the two teams should merge & this is how it works Sheffield United keep the Sheffield and Sheffield Wednesday keep the Wednesday...The new Sheffield team will be called Sheffield Wednesday :wink:

Nice one but what would they be called?

Sheffield Wunited
Sheffield Unitesday
Sheffield Wedted
???
Sheffield United and Wednesday
SUWFC
Blowls
Blawls
Doh!

I think we need to put this decision on hold for another 200 years, the naming would be too complex.

love the sheffield wedted! Never happen thank god all part of our history :D

Does anyone else relish the day when we see the score Wednesday 0 - Rushden & Diamonds 1???

Cant wait :wink:

Or will it be

United and Wednesday 1 - Rushden and Diamonds 0

Perish the thought! :)

With both Sheffield clubs in massive debt and the unlikely event that a Russian businessman will take over one of them, it is only a matter of time before the clubs merge. This may not happen for 10,20,30 or 50 years, but it WILL happen.

There will need to be a new ground built so both sets of supporters will turn up, and new colours, (perhaps blue and red stripes). And a completely new name. (maybe Sheffield City).

The threat of Wednesday and United fans boycotting a merged club is hardly worth worrying about. One thing that is true of all football supporters, they have the memory span of a goldfish. Within weeks of a merger both sets of fans will have forgotten their differences and be right behind the new club, despite what they might say now.

So to the future, going to watch Sheffield City wearing those famous blue and white stripes in front of crowds of 50,000 plus, and only 20 euros to get in !!!!!!!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by DaBouncer

DOH you're right... i was confusing Sheff U with Sheff City FC.


Obviously a big fan then.


This topic gets thrown up every now and then.
Always by someone who knows nothing about football and its supporters.

It will never happen.

Ground sharing is a more likely option but again will never happen because one club or the other will resent giving up a degree of independance.

Just spent half an hour reading thro' these posts and the lack of knowledge from so called supporters is incredible.

Andy

Originally posted by shakey

So to the future, going to watch Sheffield City wearing those famous blue and white stripes in front of crowds of 50,000 plus, and only 20 euros to get in !!!!!!! [/B]

Off topic.

Hey Shakey, love the new album.

Andy

Andyman wrote :
Just spent half an hour reading thro' these posts and the lack of knowledge from so called supporters is incredible.
Andyman, your obvious (superior ?) knowledge has contributed what exactly ?
Re - read the posts (including your own) and try again ;)

Originally posted by Michael_W
Andyman wrote :

Andyman, your obvious (superior ?) knowledge has contributed what exactly ?
Re - read the posts (including your own) and try again ;)

The point was-- if people cannot get basic facts correct why are they commenting and quoting incorrect information.

Andy

Well Andyman you should have been more specific and corrected the erroneous facts/information in your response, rather than making a general criticism and then contributing nothing that has not already been written in previous posts.

merge?? nah, the blades dont need those piggy tw@s stoppin our success!!!:evil:

The trouble with this thread is that it's about football. When you talk about this great game, unfortunately common sense goes out of the door. Clubs are spending, or trying to spend, too much money to keep ahead, and in most cases they achieve nothing from that unless they are in the really top flight.

Boards are made up, or seem to be, of two groups - the first know about the game and nothing about business, and the second know all about business and nothing about the game.
In this circumstance, no policy can be followed which will give the Club what its supporters want (supporters as opposed to club members), and that is success on the field. Club boards only want profit, and obviously cannot see that the only way to get this is to attract the greatest number of spectators to matches, be they members or not.

For the benefit of the GAME I feel that the two should merge, but the new Club/Company would still need to follow the right policy for the future to look any brighter.

And don't try to tell me that United are set, because they are not. It gets harder, you know, not easier.

Would also make my Blue and White heart bleed.

:cry: :cry:

I've never heard so much drivel in my life.
You lot trying to talk about football is akin to Celine Dion rapping.
If you don't know what you are talking about... don't say anything!

To the person who is sure it WILL happen...
Give me one reason why Sheffield United would be better off after merging with Sheffield Wednesday.

Originally posted by rarstar
To the person who is sure it WILL happen...
Give me one reason why Sheffield United would be better off after merging with Sheffield Wednesday.

Well, one easy one is that they wouldn't have the misfortune to be called Sheffield United.8)

ive lost count of the amount of times ive had this discussion wiv my mates! to be honest, id hate to see the two clubs merge BUT it wud be the only way we wud see a club that could stay in the premiership. fair enuf, bein a big sheff utd fan, i can say utd are good enuf to gain promotion to the premiership, but are they strong enuf to stay there? only time will tell and maybe a merge wud solve the problem, but as i said, i would personally hate it!

how can merging a good first division side, with a poor second division side make a premiership 'super side'?

to all those who think a merger would create a successful side...
tell me why.

it's no good saying a merger may be good for both sides, tell me why.

correct me if im wrong but no one mentioned a 'super side' wat i said was a side that could stay in the premiership! utd have a quality side and combined with a select few sheffield wednesday players, the city could have a team that could STAY IN the premiership

8) Nah Den Ace.........

Children! Look at us.......bickering......squabbling........we never used to be like this.......

Yeah, okay we did!

The Proposal: Merge Owls and Blades, call 'em Sheffield City FC, nickname The Little Mesters, play at a 50,000 capacity with regular gates of 40,000 at a revamped Don Valley Stadium, play in red and blue stripes, hey presto! We're big hitters in the Premier League!

The Reality: Sheffield has two professional football teams and I do not believe the fans would ever allow a merger to happen.

Wednesdayites can proudly boast that they are the original professional football club in the city (by being the oldest), that they have the biggest stadium and better facilities, that they have the biggest fan base (24k in Div 2 is really quite good!), that over the years they have had the most success (League cup in 91, Cup finals in 66 and 93, and generally finishing higher than United.)

Unitedites can boast that they play in the city centre and that therefore....ergo.....sum.......they are the true football club of the city. They can also boast that they are currently playing in a higher division than the Owls (as they last did in the 70s).

The Conclusion: Wednesday and United will, allowing for a few relative successes and failures, both continue to be second tier teams, with Wednesday just edging it over their red and white counterparts. The fans shall continue to slag each other off, call each other pigs and say that they have the most/hardest/loyal fans, etc.........

..........But that is just the way we like it. Long live the status quo!


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By the way:

1. Somebody suggested earlier that Sheffield FC were the oldest professional football team - they are the oldest football team in the world; however, I believe they are quite proud of their amateur status!

2. I know there has always been an argument about who is the 4th/5th largest city.....us or Leeds. I believe it depends on whether you look at population or area. Does anyone know of an accurate source of information for such data?

3. Wednesday's ground is in the Owlerton area of the city. However, Owlerton is pronounced Owl as "bOWL", not "hOWL". So did Wednesday take their nickname from the area they moved to?

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Sweet baby Jesus! This is all getting a bit too much for me, I'm just gonna lie down for a bit!

Whether you're an Owl or a Blade...............

Keep the faith.............

Spacehopper.

in order to stay in the premier, you have to get there first!!!

merging with wednesday would in no way improve united. fact.

no matter how good they were in the past, NO current wednesday player would get a game at bramall lane.

apparently, according to the last census and based on population it goes:

1. London.
2. Birmingham.
3. Leeds.
4. Sheffield.
5. Manchester.

people generally think manchester is 3rd, but although greater manchester is massive, the actual city of manchester isn't that big.

Originally posted by rarstar
in order to stay in the premier, you have to get there first!!!

merging with wednesday would in no way improve united. fact.

no matter how good they were in the past, NO current wednesday player would get a game at bramall lane.

Whew. That should make them all sleep better!

sheffield is the FOURTH biggest city in england

1.London
2.Manchester
3.Birmingham
4.Sheffield

notice the other 3 have teams in the premiership...shame really :blush:

Originally posted by Spacehopper
Wednesday and United will, allowing for a few relative successes and failures, both continue to be second tier teams

Presently Utd & Wednesday are outside the top flight but when you look at their respective histories it becomes clear they are NOT second tier clubs.

In terms of support both are over time amongst the top twenty supported clubs in England. The two Sheffield clubs are also two of only eighteen clubs to have attracted attendances of over 60000 to home football matches. Both also feature in the top twenty of clubs ranked by honours won and both feature in the top twenty all time league table.


Wednesday's ground is in the Owlerton area of the city. However, Owlerton is pronounced Owl as "bOWL", not "hOWL". So did Wednesday take their nickname from the area they moved to?

Wednesday do indeed take their name from the district of Owlerton (pronouced Ole-er-ton not Owl-er-ton) in which they play. In the early 1900's a journalist unfamiliar with the vagaries of Sheffield dialect drew a cartoon representing Wednesday as Owls. And the rest, as they say, is history.

Incidentally, prior to Wednesday moving to Owlerton the districts major claim to fame was as the site of a porcine slaughterhouse. The location chosen because the prevailing north-westerly winds carried the stench of slaughter away from Sheffield's main centres of population to the South. Hence Wednesday being labelled 'Pigs' by United fans.

Nice try with the slaughterhouse story Escafeld, try this one - Wednesday were formed by butchers (pre Owlerton era, may I add) , hence the blue and white stripes, the rest you can work out for yourself ;)

Read this thread (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?threadid=706&highlight=piggeries)

It used to be Sheff Utd training ground :)

Settle down lads.
My Grandad would turn in his grave. Merge the Owls and the Blades? Are you CRAZY. I know nothing about football but I do now about loyalty though thick and thin, sickness and in health, richer or for poorer. It's like a marriage. Fans are fans, teams are teams.
Sounds like a good idea getting one good team out of two. Where would they play? Which grounds would be home? What colours, red with blue spots? Sounds like an illness.
Unite the fans? Hmmm I'd like to see that happen.

8) Nah Den Ace..........

When United first formed, their players were ironically given Wednesday afternoons off.

This was because that this was the only time they got to nip down to the local haberdashery. This tradition has continued down the years, and may go someway to explain the phenomenon that United supporters have always dressed more effeminate than their Wednesday counterparts.

Regards,

Spacehopper.

Originally posted by Michael_W
Nice try with the slaughterhouse story Escafeld, try this one - Wednesday were formed by butchers (pre Owlerton era, may I add) , hence the blue and white stripes, the rest you can work out for yourself ;)

Here's the truth of why Wednesday were and always will be PIGS.

This is an extract from a document from the Sheffield Local History Society, which can be viewed at Sheffield's Central Library.

"The Wednesday football club was formed on 4th September 1867. The football club first played its games at the Olive Grove Sports Ground in Heeley before moving to a new stadium in the Owlerton district of Sheffield.
The first Ordnance Survey maps (1850's) mark a building close to where the stadium now stands as 'Swine Cottage'. They also show another farm on Penistone Road, south of where the North Stand is situated, which was also believed to be a large piggery. Pork farming is thought to have been practised in the area since the early 1800's, and did not cease until around 1900 when the city's rapid expansion put an end to livestock production in the area. At its height the "Owlerton Piggery," as it was known, provided work for some 50 employees.
Initial discussions about a nickname began soon after the Wednesday arrived at Owlerton. In reference to their new home, most club officials were in favour of "The Owls." However, another suggestion was also popular. In view of the area's strong tradition of pork farming, a popular grass-roots alternative was "The Pigs."
Although the name "Owls" prevailed, many working class supporters continued to refer to their team as "t'pigs." A popular song of the time "They may be t'Owls to some, (but they'll always be pigs to me)" was performed in music halls across South Yorkshire. As late as the 1920's, fans used to welcome their team onto the field with the characteristic grunting sound we still associate with the club. This peculiarity was once referred to by BBC commentator Edward Milburn, who famously described Hillsborough as a "sea of grunts" moments after The Wednesday won the First Division title in 1932.

So there you have it. Put those paint tins away.

I've seen that story on the Blades Business Crew forum (always a reliable source of information), did you copy and paste it Escafeld :thumbsup:

I certainly did. Though thought that I better not leave a link to such a naughty site. This being a family board an such!!

There is absolutely no chance in hell this could happen. The fans of both clubs wouldn't stand for it.
I'm a Blade and think the only thing Wednesday have got that we haven't is a larger ground, and there's no way Blades would want to move to Hillsborough. Their crippling debts and appalling players just wouldn't add anything to us.
If the clubs merged and the clubs identity ceased to be Sheffield United FC, the Blades, with red and white kit, I would never go to a match of theirs ever again.
This idea of a merger only comes about when wednesday get in financial trouble.

United have already got Wednesdays old nickname, 'The Blades' ..
So don't worry too much AG. :thumbsup:

As a Blade I wouldn't want the teams to merge.
Why? Not cos I think Wednesday aren't on a par with us, but because two teams is what Sheffield football is all about.
If the Owls depended less on foreign, overpaid under-achievers and more on British grit and determination (see Utd's line-up) then maybe they would be doing better.
Anyhow, good luck to them and lets pray for two top flight clubs again.
We don't want to end up like Leeds do we. One big crap team!

By the way, London (the City) doesn't have a professional team does it? Greater London however has lots. Thats cos the investors go there I presume.

This may seem as though I'm contradicting myself here, but if all teams were only allowed to have two foreign players on their books, would Man Utd, Birmingham, Chelsea, Arsenal, Newcastle etc still exist?

Just a thought!

Originally posted by Top Blade-FTP
Yikes!!! No way do us Blades want to be merged with the scum of the earth - the pigs. Sod that - the pigs are are bunch of loud mouthed, two faced, false, gobby gits. The BLADES are down to earth fans, who look after each other.

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On behalf of all true Blades fans, apologies for Top Blade-FTP.
Who needs yobby supporters of this mentality?
What an embarrassing wazzock.

who ever thought of Wednesday and the scum merging must have been having a joke. you wont find more than 20 fans who though it will be a good idea. i know personally i dont want owt to do with them in any sense!!!

No sufc and the pigs shud not merge, its the dafftest idea any1 has eva had cos we'd hav to sak swfc's players and just keep ours cos theres are a load of ****!! Division 2 for the pigs this season..........ha ha ha ha ha ha!! Up the blades!! Jagielka, brownie, kozzy, kenny, kabba, wright, lester, ward, armstrong.........the list is endless. How many players have they got that are rated £5 million??? Welll then!


[edited for shouting: Moon Maiden]

i think that the blades and pigs merging is a stupid idea, at the end of the day sheff utd are a lot better than sheff wed. If we merged we would have to get rid of all their players and keep ours, cus ours r a lot better.

god
dont you think your been a bit immature refering to the owls as pigs i have loads of mates who are blades but i dont have a need to refer to them as pigs but then again it all depends how you where brought up as a child

From what I read in the history links given on this site a few days ago, calling them 'pigs' isn't much of an insult at all...

Nah, they shouldn't merge. It wouldn't even help Sheffield's chances of getting a Premiership team.


But to be honest, the city has already got one First and one Second division team - in the grand scheme of things, that's excellent. The team I support is Kendal Town - they're in the UniBond First Division (that's one of the joint-4th divisions below the Conference), they're comparatively great as well, and they're currently about 200th in the country...

Think about the thousands of teams around England, and be grateful that there are two in Sheffield that are among the top 50 or so. Plus there's Barnsley, Chesterfield, Doncaster...

I'm a blade(username being a bit of a giveaway) and would hate to see the two teams merged. Both teams have had gd and mainly bad spells and will continue to do so, its not that long ago since both were in the old 3rd division so why now should we contemplate a merger? Isnt a huge part of being a Blade or an Owl the joy of laughing at each others misfortune and having a gd argument with a pig.

And anyway we need to be able to play w"%%^^*&y now and then just to guarentee us 6 points a season :)

I think its a good idea, although the purists who want to bring the clubs to a slow and painfull death will try everything to stop it. The fact that Sheffield Wednesday were the first team to play their home football fixtures at Bramall Lane speaks for itself. When they moved away to Olive Grove, Sheffield United were formed as the owners of Bramall lane wanted to keep football there. After Wednesday moved to Hillsborough, dropping the Blades nickname, what did UTD do? They followed in Wednesday's shadow yet again! So why don't they just merge and end the copying made by UTD by bringing them both to the same stadium and maybe even merge.
The meeting could take place in the Crucible, after all, it stands on the site of the pub that The Wednesday Cricket Club had its meeting. This was followed two years later by the meeting to form Sheffield UTD football club.

Sorry UTD fans but its all fact and you calling us the pigs, well maybe there were slaughterhouses around the Hillsborough and Owlerton areas, but when was the last time you saw a blue piece of pork?

Being a UTD Fan I have thought it would be a good idea to merge Dave Bassett thought so too,but like he said it would never happen because of petty arguments.I can honestly say I have never refered to any Owls fan as a pig,Pigs Are mostly Pink & I do not think Wednesday would look good in that colour maybe Orange like the Blades second kit aaaaaaargh ghastly.Good luck to the Owls this season & of course to the MIGHTY BLADES.

What makes anybody think the merged side [which, as a Blade, I hope NEVER happens] would be successful anyway? Considering the fact that Sheffield is the fourth largest city in Britain, together with the relatively good level of support enjoyed by both clubs, neither side has achieved the kind of lasting success in terms of trophy-winning that one might expect. The fact that I have seen United win the fourth division championship, and nothing else, since I began supporting them in 1970 doesn't make me love them less. I just wish BOTH teams had achieved a tenth of what the Manchester and Liverpool clubs have. Over in darkest Lancashire where I now live, they say Sheffield people have a good sense of humour. We have to have one given the erratic state of our football. No offence to anyone's feelings on either side is intended here, but I can't help thinking that NEITHER club has a lot to crow about. The merger wouldn't work anyway as the Blades/Owls rivalry is as deeply embedded in the cultural life of Sheffield as it could be. Regarding sheer hatred, as Steve Cowens rightly observed in his book, Blades Business Crew, the Blades/Owls aggro surpasses all but the Rangers / Celtic situation [the latter is also about the politics of ethnic identity]. Liverpool and Everton fans will sometimes join forces [in terms of support and in terms of violence] against a mutually loathed opponent. I can't imagine Unitedites and Wednesdayites ever doing that. Unfortunately, unless BOTH clubs awake from their slumber, and sort out their financial problems, the prospect ot the dreaded merger will continue to hang over them. What the fans [like myself ] think ultimately counts for very little in the hard-headed world of football-business.

Loads of people keep saying the two clubs should merge, but no-one has said why yet.

If anyone can come up with a reason to merge the two teams, I'm waiting to hear it.

The answer to that is unless they merge then they will never again be a force to be reckoned with.
I say this as a blade but when you look at the history of both clubs it hardly makes good reading does it?
Apart from the owls winning the old league cup the city clubs have won nowt for nearly 60 yrs and it will be another 60 yrs unless they merge.

Originally posted by royjames
The answer to that is unless they merge then they will never again be a force to be reckoned with.
I say this as a blade but when you look at the history of both clubs it hardly makes good reading does it?
Apart from the owls winning the old league cup the city clubs have won nowt for nearly 60 yrs and it will be another 60 yrs unless they merge.

and if they merge....... they will go on and win it hey??

why is this??

end of the day, it should not and can not happen, because as much as i hate wendy, its nice to have them round, it keeps us blades interested in our league standings etc,

you talk about the history of the clubs not being good reading?/

well....... united have won the top league once and wednesday 3 times (i believe) why is this bad??

united have 4 FA cups and wednesday have 6 (again i believe)
some teams have never won the fa cup, nor the league, so were still more succesful than sometimes......

if we merge, whose gonna be our derby?? a ppor leeds side, or a poor rotherham side?? teams who we beat (leeds) 2-0 this season and 5-0 (rotherham) last season.

the magical thing about playing wednesday os, regardless of the result, it is a buzz just being there,
i dont know how any fan of ANY club, could even suggest a merger and be serious, because it would be the death of 2 of the most historical clubs in england,

i didn't wanna contribute to this thread as it is a stupid one, but some of the comments i am seeing are laughable

ok robbie first of all the blades I beleive won the title in the last century how good is that?
As for the owls they won the f a cup 3 times not 6,and that was in 1935,as for the blades they last won ANYTHING in 1925,being the f a cup having beaten cardif 1-0 freddy tunstall scored the goal.
Yes we have done well in the past but then again that was the last century,now if you think thats ok then sorry it's not good enough for me.
This city shoul'd have a strong premier club but I really dont think this will happen under the present position.
As far as football goes this city is a laughing stock.

anyway up the blades

Originally posted by royjames
ok robbie first of all the blades I beleive won the title in the last century how good is that?
As for the owls they won the f a cup 3 times not 6,and that was in 1935,as for the blades they last won ANYTHING in 1925,being the f a cup having beaten cardif 1-0 freddy tunstall scored the goal.
Yes we have done well in the past but then again that was the last century,now if you think thats ok then sorry it's not good enough for me.
This city shoul'd have a strong premier club but I really dont think this will happen under the present position.
As far as football goes this city is a laughing stock.

anyway up the blades


so by combining the debts united and wendy have, and joining the pool of players would make us a better team??

having to make a deal with people who have contracted sponsorships would also cost us money,
players contracts who would need to be cancelled due to them not playing would cost money even further,
then with a combined wage bill, we would see even more debt,
where would we play?? if it was hillsborough, united fans wouldn't go, if it was bramall lane weds fans wouldn't go etc,
if it was a neutral place, i still dont think we would get over 20,000 attending, over principal of the teams we currently support,
yes in the future attendances MAY be higher than they currently are, but i still cant see it making buisness sense,
out of the wed team, there is only a couple of players which would improve uniteds team, and im not even sure they would,

and if you insist your a blade, don't you think the current team has more than enough potential to reach the promised land?

The answer to that is unless they merge then they will never again be a force to be reckoned with.

Why do you think they'd be better off if they merged?

Seriously... what would we gain by merging the two sides?

Although I am a hige Wednesday fan I think it would be good if the two sides merged. It is never going to happen but there could be many benefits of it. If it where to happen the new team should be called Sheffield City, they would play in blue and red incorporating both teams.Both Hillsborough and Bramall Lane would be sold would a huge amount of money. With this money a new super ground would be built on the outskirts of the city there fore giving easy access for away supporters coming into the city. I believe if the two teams did merge they would have the potential to be one of the top teams in the country due to the fan base the new team would have. Wednesday have about 22,000 average attendace and United 19,000. If the two were to merge and play well as I would expect them to, I believe they could get attendances of around 50,000 every week.
The idea of Wednesday and United merging will never happen though both sets of supporters should concentrate on getting behind their teams. When Sheffield does have a Premiership team again it will be Wednesday or United not some merged side. So get behind WEDNESDAY everyone and help them get back in the Premiership

Originally posted by rarstar
Loads of people keep saying the two clubs should merge, but no-one has said why yet.

If anyone can come up with a reason to merge the two teams, I'm waiting to hear it.

Well Wednesday did get attendances just short of 40,000 people in the Premiership, now in Division 2 or Leauge 1 as its called now. They are fedup of the lack of ambition from Hillsborough, on the other side of the city is a team that attracts around 20,000 people reguly, put them together and you get an attendance of 60,000. OK you loose around 10,000 who would be put off, but they will eventually come back, once they realise that they miss the atmosphere and watching a good football match. After all since the burst of the football TV bubble attendances is a massive part of what fooball's income is all about. Look at the pressure on Wimbledon after it moved, now Milton Keynes Dons and they are sinking fast without a big fanbase!

The merging of teams will also bring together a larger bank of players, this will push up the standards of football in the city, brinig together tallents that otherwise wouldn't have played together. Chris Waddle, David Hurst, Bryan Deane and the others together during the early to mid 1990's probarbly would have won the Premiership title for Sheffield (but a merge wasn't needed back then).

They would move into the former home of Sheffield Football Club at Don Valley. This has far better transport links, with Supertram a good bus network and the motorway close by. Then they could sell Brammall Lane and Hillsbrough for commercial or housing development brining in around £4 million, plus the value of the scrap metal from the demolition of the stands.

With two training grounds, one could be sold for a minimum of £2 million, which is being invested in a new one for Wednesday after selling the current one for £10 million.

With fewer opportunities for football sponsership in the city it would double the income from sponsership

This would easily cover the costs of paying off contracts. Wednesday players contracts only last for around one year and as they are the less favourable players it would be easy to let it go. The pool of new tallant would also be increased as they will be more likely to see the Academy as a chance to compete for their city instead of a team, which may well be apposed to by friends and family.

All you people who say, it wont work, I don't want to see it, well; "Pride always comes before a fall."

Once merged they could be named using a mix of both teams names. IE the 'S' from SWFC and the 'U' from SUFC!

The strip could be created likewise. IE the white stripes from Wednesday and the red stripe from United.

The nickname should be something used by both teams at sometime or other.

That would make it Sheffield United Football Club, Red and white stripes, The Blades.

Now what's wrong with that?:thumbsup:

i think youv more chance of getting headbutted with the pope pal 2 be honest. anyway why would a massive club like the owls want 2 join with a much smaller toy town club like utd.

Originally posted by brooksy
i think youv more chance of getting headbutted with the pope pal 2 be honest. anyway why would a massive club like the owls want 2 join with a much smaller toy town club like utd.

Havn't you read my last post! The merge between the Sheffield Eagles and Huddersfield wasn't gonna work due to the distance between the grounds. Fans were going to change allegence to a team based in the other place to the Giants home ground. But Sheffiled is a big city, with many settlements around it, with around 30 million people within one hours drive (don't quote me on the last fact). You have to admit that has incredible potential for a massive fanbase. People would go just to watch a big team play and eventually the size of the club will overcome the opposition. More local schools would go to visit the ground as there wouldn't be the opposition from the fan of the other Sheffield team.

There would need to be a clean break as far as the name goes, Sheffield Rangers was the first proffessional side in the City that was disbanded when Wednesday became proffesional. Sheffield City to my knowledge hasn't been taken. The logo shouldn't be a blade decapitating an owl as many people have joked. Possibly something about the Don Valley's history, where the new ground would be. As mining and steel are a major part of the cities culture I would say they should be the lines for a new nickname. The blades has been associated with UTD for far too long, Steelers, Steelhawks, Iron and many others have already been taken, or maybe we could be like Barnsley who don't have an offical nickname!

Ginnerdave, all this is the product of your beautiful imagination. Your certainty about these matters is worrying- can you see into the future like Russell Grant? I think not. Re the "Blades" nickname being associated with United "for too long", I don't see the logic of your argument here at all. Nicknames evolve, and this one has been associated with United since very early days [never mind Wednesday having it first] so that now, after over a century it has become inextricably part of United's IDENTITY. Identity matters, Ginnerdave, and human beings characteristically get rather hot under the collar when theirs is threatened or under seige. I wouldn't want Wednesday to lose the "Owls" nickname, or any part of their identity. All part of the rich tapestry [to coin a cliche] of Sheffield culture.

Well Wednesday did get attendances ...

Addendance... Both teams average around 20,000. If you listen to fans it's likely that most wouldn't support a merged team. The new team would not get more than 20,000. This is therefore not a good reason to merge the clubs.

The merging of teams will also bring together a larger bank of players....

Players... No offence meant to any Wednesday fans (the real fans know this anyway), but although they've had good players in the past, none of the current Wednesday players are good enough for United's first team. This is therefore not a good reason to merge the clubs.

They would move into the former home of Sheffield Football Club at Don Valley...

It only holds 25,000, which is less than both Brammall Lane and Hillsborough hold. This is therefore not a good reason to merge the clubs.

With two training grounds, one could be sold for a minimum of £2 million, which is being invested in a new one for Wednesday after selling the current one for £10 million.

Wednesday have already sold their training ground. Both clubs are heavily in debt. Wednesday's is currently crippling the club. Any money coming in would have to pay off debts, which we still wouldn't be able to cover. This is therefore not a good reason to merge the clubs.

With fewer opportunities for football sponsership in the city it would double the income from sponsership

This is of course, nonsence. Let's say the average sponsorship revenues are as follows (solely to prove the point, these figures aren't realistic...
Prem... £10mill
CCC... £7mil
CCL1...£5mil
CCL2... £3mil
'Sheffield Rangers' would have to take United's place in the CCC. Are you saying a company would pay £14mil to sponsor 'Sheffield Rangers' instead of sponsoring another club in the same division for half as much? This is therefore not a good reason to merge the clubs.

This would easily cover the costs of paying off contracts. Wednesday players contracts only last for around one year and as they are the less favourable players it would be easy to let it go. The pool of new tallant...

There would still not be enough money and Wednesday's current team is still not good enough. United already have one of the best academies in the country due to this, United already get the best young players in the city (again, no offence to Weds fans). This is therefore not a good reason to merge the clubs.

All you people who say, it wont work, I don't want to see it, well; "Pride always comes before a fall."

Some people do say that but it's not what I'm saying. I'm saying it's a stupid idea.

Nicknames evolve, and this one has been associated with United since very early days [never mind Wednesday having it first] so that now, after over a century it has become inextricably part of United's IDENTITY. Identity matters, Ginnerdave, and human beings characteristically get rather hot under the collar when theirs is threatened or under seige. I wouldn't want Wednesday to lose the "Owls" nickname, or any part of their identity. All part of the rich tapestry [to coin a cliche] of Sheffield culture.

Well said mate.

If the two clubs had merged, Wembley '93 would never have happened. I'm a Blade and we lost, but the day was also about how both sets of fans got together and had the game shifted from Leeds. The rivalry is a beautiful thing. I know fans of both teams would prefer to watch a Sheffield league derby in the fourth division (league 2 / whatever) than watch some merged team win the Premier$hip.

Well rivalry is all good and well but what matters more than 2 games per season is the other 40 odd matches.
You all seem to be happy to be playing second fiddle to the big boys,hardly suprising when you consider what has gone before.
This is about getting some silverwhere in the boardroom nothing else and until they merge it will NEVER happen.
As for the comment that united are doing well come on you know as well as I do that if they ever did go up they will surely come straight back down again.
As a sheffielder I want better than this dont you?

As a Sheffielder I want the Blades at the top of the Premier and Wednesday in second place.

What I don't want is a struggling 'Sheffield Rangers' side playing in a half-empty Don Valley Stadium dressed up like Bayern Munich's reserves.

Why do you think that merging two clubs would mean we would be competing with the 'big boys'?

It wouldn't.

A merged Sheffield side would be no better than Sheffield United are at the moment.

Originally posted by rarstar
As a Sheffielder I want the Blades at the top of the Premier and Wednesday in second place.

What I don't want is a struggling 'Sheffield Rangers' side playing in a half-empty Don Valley Stadium dressed up like Bayern Munich's reserves.

Why do you think that merging two clubs would mean we would be competing with the 'big boys'?

It wouldn't.

A merged Sheffield side would be no better than Sheffield United are at the moment.

Finally, someone talking some bloody sense on here!!

1. The attendance. The idea that a Sheffield team would get between 40-60,000 attendance is simply ludicrous. Both Sheffield clubs currently get 20-22 thousand. Does anyone REALLY think EVERY fan from either side will go and support the new team? Personally, I think that there would be around 5,000 from the Blades and Owls each, giving 10,000. An attendance of 10,000 is simply not sustainable in the First Division/Championship. Even League 1 teams get more than this!

2. Don Valley as a ground. Don Valley would be useless as a football ground, simply because a) it only fits 20,000 - therefore going by some people's numbers we'd have a crowd the size of Arsenal's attendance locked out every week!
and b) there would be no atmosphere generated. How many football grounds have a great big running track round it? The best, most intimidating grounds are compact with the noise reverberating round the ground - it would be like playing a away every match if we were at Don Valley.
Build a new ground? That's £20m please.

3. The players. How would combining a decent Championship squad with a mid table League 1 squad give us a team able to compete with the best in the country? I mean no offence, but there genuinely aren't any Wednesday players who would get into the United team (especially now we've got Bromby and Quinn ;o) ) How many Wendy fans would go and basically watch United players? Not many!.

I don't want to sound condescending, but the people who are asking for a merger simply do not understand the nature of being a football fan. The identity you gain from your team is something that simply CANNOT

DOH!, must have pressed something and it posted. Anyway carry on....

As I was saying...
I don't want to sound condescending, but the people who are asking for a merger simply do not understand the nature of being a football fan. The identity you gain from your team is something that simply CANNOT be transferred across to other teams. I honestly cannot believe that any "massive Blades/Owls fans" would want their team to lose their identity and be replaced by a bunch of nobodies playing in front of 10,000 in a silent Don Valley.

FInally, just look at Wimbledon - the original club reformed in the non-league as AFC Wimbledon, and they get HIGHER attendances than the League 1 team. That's what it means to be a football fan.

Rarstar, glad you concur with my view. Rivalry can be great fun, as long as it doesn't spill over into fists and boots. I'd rather watch United beat, sorry, play Wednesday than any game on Earth including a World Cup Final with England in it [one day, one day...] What kind of lily-livered milksop would want to see some soulless merged side replace our beloved, respective teams? If the hateful idea ever looks like becoming reality, let Blades and Owls fight SIDE BY SIDE to keep our cherished, separate identities.

So my idea won't work then?!! God, I expected a Nobel Prize at least.

:shakes:

You are more likely to be pelted with eggs and pushed into dog messes, Markham. However, do feel free to share any other groundbreaking, avant garde ideas with us. You lack nothing in bravery, I'll give you that!

Originally posted by bigrods
DOH!, must have pressed something and it posted. Anyway carry on....

As I was saying...
I don't want to sound condescending, but the people who are asking for a merger simply do not understand the nature of being a football fan. The identity you gain from your team is something that simply CANNOT be transferred across to other teams. I honestly cannot believe that any "massive Blades/Owls fans" would want their team to lose their identity and be replaced by a bunch of nobodies playing in front of 10,000 in a silent Don Valley.

FInally, just look at Wimbledon - the original club reformed in the non-league as AFC Wimbledon, and they get HIGHER attendances than the League 1 team. That's what it means to be a football fan. What about Rushden & Diamonds they merged alright,as a Blade for 41 some years,I love my team,but you look at other teams that have fallen ,Everton,Liverpool,Man City Etc .I understand that a merger would never happen because of the rivalry.But a Sheffield team will never be a major force in this country because we have no money,yes the crowds are pretty good on both sides ,but without the lack of funds to buy premiership players you have no chance,look at Palace,they are doomed & were only 1 month into the new season.The top teams not only have a good fan base but they have worldwide fans as well that is where the extra cash comes from.all the best to the Owls & UP THE BLADES.

Murdoch and SKY have ruined professional football.
The only way Sheffield can compete these days is through a merger.
This wouldn't be a quick fix but younger fans are more fickle and prefer to support a successful club rather than their local one. A merged club would generate new support through success.
Don Valley would be demolished and rebuilt as a football stadium
(it won't get a look in for athletics with new facilities in London and Manchester)
Wednesday and United's best hope is the occaisional fleeting visit to the Premiership. Neither club would be capable of staying there for long.
Fans have to decide whether the occaisional derby game is more important than having a viable top 6 Premiership team.
(hopefully playing in blue and white and called simply The Wednesday..... the country has enough run of the mill Uniteds already!:P )

Exactly, Tosh. As I have said on another recent thread, United and Wednesday , to make an analogy, are akin to corner shops attempting to compete with huge transnational corporations. Or rather, they would be if either of the teams made it to the Premier. A case of the local being crushed by the global.

You would need 3 sections in the ground for a start (this may already have been said, but I haven't looked through all the thread), one for away and two separate for the fans of Wednesday & United. Being a top 6 Premiership club is not everything. I doubt fans of teams such as Rochdale and Bury one day decide to support Man U because they are successful, they do sell Man U kits in the Bury club shop though! Aplogies if I am repeating previous points

Originally posted by tosh13
What about Rushden & Diamonds they merged alright,as a Blade for 41 some years,I love my team,but you look at other teams that have fallen ,Everton,Liverpool,Man City Etc .I understand that a merger would never happen because of the rivalry.But a Sheffield team will never be a major force in this country because we have no money,yes the crowds are pretty good on both sides ,but without the lack of funds to buy premiership players you have no chance,look at Palace,they are doomed & were only 1 month into the new season.The top teams not only have a good fan base but they have worldwide fans as well that is where the extra cash comes from.all the best to the Owls & UP THE BLADES.

The blueprint for achieving a Premiership side is already there - just look at Charlton and Bolton. Are they REALLY bigger clubs than United or Wednesday? If they can get to the Premiership and stay there, why can't we?
Rushden and Diamonds rise through the leagues is all about their former chairman Max Griggs, the owner of Doc Martens (the company I mean, not just 1 pair of boots! ;o) ). He invested millions into a non-league team and took them up to the Football League. This was possible, as that sort of money invested at that level wil easily be enough to pull a club through the ranks.

Please, please, please can somebody explain how a team will be able to survive in the Championship, let alone think about promotion with gates of 10,000 (at the most)?

Originally posted by Ned Ludd
Murdoch and SKY have ruined professional football.
The only way Sheffield can compete these days is through a merger.
This wouldn't be a quick fix but younger fans are more fickle and prefer to support a successful club rather than their local one. A merged club would generate new support through success.
Don Valley would be demolished and rebuilt as a football stadium
(it won't get a look in for athletics with new facilities in London and Manchester)
Wednesday and United's best hope is the occaisional fleeting visit to the Premiership. Neither club would be capable of staying there for long.
Fans have to decide whether the occaisional derby game is more important than having a viable top 6 Premiership team.
(hopefully playing in blue and white and called simply The Wednesday..... the country has enough run of the mill Uniteds already!:P )

Wednesday are £26m in debt. United are £8m. A new stadium will cost around £30m. Please explain where nearly £70m will come from.

Your comment may have been tongue in cheek, but at the moment, the only club that a merger favours is Sheffield Wednesday. Wednesday have a crippling debt, United have a squad capable of getting promotion this season, have a fantastic academy (some of our u-17's we released have walked straight into Wednesday's reserves). Even the most ardent Wednesday fan must realise it will be a while before they are even ready to compete at the top of the Championship, let alone think of the Premiership.

Again, if teams like Charlton and Bolton can do it why can't United (or Wendy)?

what i'd like to know,
is...................... how will merging united and wendy make us a top 6 side??

and dont say through revenue etc, cause it wont happen that way.

Originally posted by bigrods
The blueprint for achieving a Premiership side is already there - just look at Charlton and Bolton. Are they REALLY bigger clubs than United or Wednesday? If they can get to the Premiership and stay there, why can't we?
Rushden and Diamonds rise through the leagues is all about their former chairman Max Griggs, the owner of Doc Martens (the company I mean, not just 1 pair of boots! ;o) ). He invested millions into a non-league team and took them up to the Football League. This was possible, as that sort of money invested at that level wil easily be enough to pull a club through the ranks.

Please, please, please can somebody explain how a team will be able to survive in the Championship, let alone think about promotion with gates of 10,000 (at the most)?



Wednesday are £26m in debt. United are £8m. A new stadium will cost around £30m. Please explain where nearly £70m will come from.

Your comment may have been tongue in cheek, but at the moment, the only club that a merger favours is Sheffield Wednesday. Wednesday have a crippling debt, United have a squad capable of getting promotion this season, have a fantastic academy (some of our u-17's we released have walked straight into Wednesday's reserves). Even the most ardent Wednesday fan must realise it will be a while before they are even ready to compete at the top of the Championship, let alone think of the Premiership.

Again, if teams like Charlton and Bolton can do it why can't United (or Wendy)? David Blunkett he has plenty of money,what about ,Beany & Joe from Def Leppard,they are supposed to 100% blades they should put there money where there mouth is.

Originally posted by timo
You are more likely to be pelted with eggs and pushed into dog messes, Markham. However, do feel free to share any other groundbreaking, avant garde ideas with us. You lack nothing in bravery, I'll give you that!

I'm flattered, not 'flattened' then timo?

Seriously though, I agree with all the anti-merger posters. The friendly banter with my wife and eldest son who are Owls would be gravely missed in our house. And besides, what would happen to ALL the Wednesday players, Turner and the ground?

"Is that dog jobbie I smell?" asks the bloke with egg all over his face.





:thumbsup:

You have a good sense of humour too, mate!

It's forced upon me timo.

My sense of humour is the result of me being a United supporter for the past 40 odd years. In addition, I'm also patient, forgiving and sometimes a gibbering, suicidal idiot!

There aren't enough people in our part of the country to support two big clubs.
Lets look at the big cities in the UK.
Which cities are large enough to provide support for at least two teams in the top division?
London, Birmingham and Manchester. The largest three.
The only other area which has two teams in the top division is Merseyside, which has a huge population.
In our area, which covers the same area as Merseyside, we are trying to support Sheff U, Sheff W, Leeds, Barnsley, Rotherham, Huddersfield, Halifax, Doncaster and Chesterfield .
It's time do do a bit of pruning.

Originally posted by mrchinnery
There aren't enough people in our part of the country to support two big clubs.
Lets look at the big cities in the UK.
Which cities are large enough to provide support for at least two teams in the top division?
London, Birmingham and Manchester. The largest three.
The only other area which has two teams in the top division is Merseyside, which has a huge population.
In our area, which covers the same area as Merseyside, we are trying to support Sheff U, Sheff W, Leeds, Barnsley, Rotherham, Huddersfield, Halifax, Doncaster and Chesterfield .
It's time do do a bit of pruning.

so say sheffield has 600,000 people in it, why is that not enough people for 2 big clubs??

if we had support like burnley, where 1 in 5 people go to games, then i dont think we would be too bad at all......

1 in 5 people, i work that out to be 120,000
do you not think this is enough for 2 football teams??

then we have support coming from these other places u mention
not bad really when u think about it is it?

Originally posted by tosh13
David Blunkett he has plenty of money,what about ,Beany & Joe from Def Leppard,they are supposed to 100% blades they should put there money where there mouth is.

Blunkett has plenty of money?? Politicians aren't THAT heavily paid you know!!

Beanie has put in £200,000 to get a seat on the Blades board. Why should he sack that off and invest into a new football team?

If you're a 100% Blade, why don't you sell all your assets to invest in this team then?

Please can anyone explain how a combined Sheffield team will challenge for the Premiership title with League 1 attendances, Sheffield United's squad, and a multi-million negative bank balance before a ball has been kicked?

Originally posted by bigrods
Blunkett has plenty of money?? Politicians aren't THAT heavily paid you know!!

Beanie has put in £200,000 to get a seat on the Blades board. Why should he sack that off and invest into a new football team?

If you're a 100% Blade, why don't you sell all your assets to invest in this team then?

Please can anyone explain how a combined Sheffield team will challenge for the Premiership title with League 1 attendances, Sheffield United's squad, and a multi-million negative bank balance before a ball has been kicked? I would mate how many players would I get for £15 ,and politicians don't get heavily paid,don't make me laugh,I worked for the Sheffield Council years ago & they all drove in top of the range cars & live in fantastic propertys not council houses like some of have to. I would love £70.000 a year,try living on £5.000 & tell me politicians don't get much money.Anyway I am a 100% Blade & proud of it,not some middle class prawnster.

Of course £70,000 a year compared to someone on £5,000 is a lot of money, but not exactly enough to be able to provide substantial investment in a football club - you're talking at least tens of millions.

PS - I'm a STH on the Kop - no middle class prawnsters here.

Tosh, it IS possible to be 100% Blade and middle class [without the prawn sarnies]. Feta and cous cous, anyone?
I honestly think we've done this thread to death now. We've had the piggy insults, the arguments for and against, and most people appear to think that a merger would be of no benefit to either club. The consensus appears to be that we Owls and Blades value our cherished identities and rivalries far too much, and that there IS enough support for both clubs to co-exist in blissful, mutual loathing, and long may it remain so. To the person keen on "pruning" clubs [he mentioned Leeds, Rotherham etc, as well as our lads]; WIND YOUR NECK IN, to use a Sheffield phrase. Football clubs have deep symbolic, cultural meanings for people, and ours are so deeply embedded in Sheffield's history and identity as to make the idea of them being swallowed up by some illegitimate hybrid that NOBODY can identify with offensive. Too much of English heritage and identity is being lost, and, for all their faults Wednesday and United are part of our heritage and identity. Thank goodness for people like Tosh, Robbie etc- very representative of the Sheffield football-loving public. Okay, we may deserve better from both clubs for our loyalty, but we love them anyway, and always will. God Bless ALL true Blades and Owls! Long may our songs be heard!

Originally posted by bigrods
Of course £70,000 a year compared to someone on £5,000 is a lot of money, but not exactly enough to be able to provide substantial investment in a football club - you're talking at least tens of millions.

PS - I'm a STH on the Kop - no middle class prawnsters here. Sorry mate I did not mean you were a prawnster,A Roy Keane Proverb.Accept my apologies.

Originally posted by timo
God Bless ALL true Blades and Owls! Long may our songs be heard!


like the post timo, think you really did hit the nail on the head.

although......... for all them saying a merger should be done, im still waiting for an appliacable answer.

as the song goes

ITS ALL GONE QUIET OVER THERE

ITS ALL GONE QUIET OVER THERE

ITS AL GONE QUIET, ALL GONE QUIET, ALL GONE QUIET OVER THERE


UNITED
UNITED
UNITED
UNITED

Edit: i went to the west ham game (in my new orange kit lol) and we went down 1-0 (what a cracking goal by harewood) and obviously was disappointed, it got worse 10 mins later as the scoreline Walsall 0-1 Wednesday came in!
However...... we equalised, an Alan Quinn free-kick i may add (NA NA NA NA NA, HES A BLADE AND HES A BLADE lol) but by this time a cheer had alrerady gone up as the scoreline came in Walsall 1-1 Wednesday (LOOKS WHOSE GONE AND ****** IT UP AGAIN)

its that rivalry that keeps football in sheffield going, of course we dont really wanna see wednesday in the bottom league, we would rather them be in the premier ship (and as much as i hate to admit it, a place they deserve to be) with us. to anyone who says sheffield aint big enough for 2 top teams, id like to see your facts and present them in a clear manner, because as i have stated in an earlier post, if sheffields support was like birnleys we would have no problem at all!

Can you imagine watching Sheffield Rangers (i think that is the name some body came up with) and going 1-0 up, Jon Harley has just scored (as weds would bring no decent players to Don valley our new home ground) and then flashes up, Walsall 1-0 Barnsley.........

*silence* except a few murmurs going, "they not been doing too well this season barnsley"

all in all, a merger would kill football in sheffield, i don't just say this as a blade, i say it as a realist........ football is the most entertaining sport in the world, and is ever so popular even with the smaller clubs like shrewsbury etc, who still enjoy crwods of 4000+ (this was an average of last season, a team in the conference) imagine if they merged with some1 near them (im not even gonna try and name a team near them, geograhy was never my strong subject) the spirit would be gone again, from a team as low as them,
footbal is not a buisness to the fans, its the pride, and you can't take that away from people........ and in this sense, it would not make good buisness either

Originally posted by tosh13
Sorry mate I did not mean you were a prawnster,A Roy Keane Proverb.Accept my apologies.

Ok, I'll let you off :hihi:

You lot seem to have forgotten what happened at Chelsea, they were £70 million in debt and look where they are now. They got promoted with Wednesday from the old Division 2 and took big gambles. Looks to have worked to me!

Tosh, no offence taken, I was only pulling a fellow Blade's leg. Robbie, thanks for your kind words- we'll never stop the Fantasy Island types from cooking up absurd ideas like the merger, but let it be our solemn duty to ridicule, mock and humiliate with pointed sticks any demented fool who dares to suggest our beloved clubs be scrapped to make way for Sheffield Rangers, Sheffield Tuesday, Heeley Bottom Bucket Bangers, Wincobank Juventus, Bayern Oughtibridge or whatever.

Originally posted by Geoff
Sheffield is the 5th largest city in the UK and we don't have a premiership team :( . How would feel if the two clubs (Wednesday and United) decided to merge and form a 'super club'?
pair of them wont make a good team

Originally posted by Ginnerdave
You lot seem to have forgotten what happened at Chelsea, they were £70 million in debt and look where they are now. They got promoted with Wednesday from the old Division 2 and took big gambles. Looks to have worked to me!


the problem with this is..........

yes they took gamble, and they are now further up than both sheffield teams...............
firstly, chelsea have a bigger revenue intake than weds!!
there season tickets go up to £2000 i believe
secondly, the club could have folded in a few years had abromavich not come in and loaded a load of money in!!!

cant believe you compare the teams

The pig fans have always been glory hunters and will follow like sheep anyone who cares to lead them. I am an OWL born and raised and if anything so stupid was ever even brought to the table for consideration I am sure that it would be laughed all the way to Manchester(eewww) Let them two teams merge! Lets see the scum and man city get together and see what happens!

Cpltshirt, it is easy to call United and their fans "scum" from the safety of your computer in Cyprus! The next time you are in town, why not call in at one of the splendid hostelries near to beautiful, downtown Bramall Lane on a United home match day, and repeat what you have just said. Maybe we will find out whether you really are "Wednesday till you die", as I believe the Hillsborough saying goes.
I am really sorry to hear that you were , "born and raised an Owl". I am astonished that neighbours failed to alert Social Services. The sight of you, perched there, mobbed by Starlings, divebombed by Mistle Trushes, and with the pink, writhing worms dangling from your "beak" must have brought a tear to many an eye. Your pathetic cries of "Too-wit-too-woo", as you plaintively hopped along the evening rooftops must surely have attracted the attention of the Police? Never mind...
I must say that it really is a privilege to read a posting from such a hard man as yourself. Keep eating the spinach, Popeye.
UP THE BLADES

Originally posted by timo
Cpltshirt, it is easy to call United and their fans "scum" from the safety of your computer in Cyprus! The next time you are in town, why not call in at one of the splendid hostelries near to beautiful, downtown Bramall Lane on a United home match day, and repeat what you have just said. Maybe we will find out whether you really are "Wednesday till you die", as I believe the Hillsborough saying goes.
I am really sorry to hear that you were , "born and raised an Owl". I am astonished that neighbours failed to alert Social Services. The sight of you, perched there, mobbed by Starlings, divebombed by Mistle Trushes, and with the pink, writhing worms dangling from your "beak" must have brought a tear to many an eye. Your pathetic cries of "Too-wit-too-woo", as you plaintively hopped along the evening rooftops must surely have attracted the attention of the Police? Never mind...
I must say that it really is a privilege to read a posting from such a hard man as yourself. Keep eating the spinach, Popeye.
UP THE BLADES
this is quite possibly one of the most pathetic postings ive seen on here for a while:help: :help: :help:
p.s im refering to the previous posting not my reply:) :) :)

Hi Timo I think the guy was refering the scum remark to man utd not the blades.Calling anyone scum is just not nice,if the guy is a real Owls supporter if he is a Sheffield lad,you don't call your Sheffield brothers scum,we all have laugh but scum is such a strong word to use,so come on mate less of the SCUM.UP THE BLADES!

reading timo's post brought back memories of when i used to work on event safety at burnley *cough*

it was the game weds won 7-2

it was prior to the game, and weds fans was pouring in to cricket field stand

anyways, got chatting to a few, and they obviously thought i supported the crappy clarets, im like, nah were pushing for promotion!!!

he was looking a bit puzzled, so i said, i live in sheffield and im a blade!!
he dint believe me till i decided to get me blades keyring out, and show him, he is like, "you live in sheffield" so i told him where im from, anyways next thing that happened he decides to shout it to the rest of the fans

"hey lads a piggy" i had around 100 people surrounding me, but i stood proud, there was only one other steward with me and he proper **** himself, i was sooooo intimidated, but stood my ground!!

Tosh, I never called him "scum". Read the posting.
Panda, who cares what you think anyway? You are well known for having a go at other people. I thought he deserved it, and the reference WAS to United not Man U.

Originally posted by timo
Tosh, I never called him "scum". Read the posting.
Panda, who cares what you think anyway? You are well known for having a go at other people. I thought he deserved it, and the reference WAS to United not Man U.

would i do such a thing:loopy:

Panda, it's way past your bedtime. Little man, you've had a busy day. Aren't you clever, making your [achingly-unfunny] "witty" remarks on a grown-ups thread? Hope that flute doesn't get jammed somewhere it shouldn't be. I'd heard that you were an unpopular, inadequate contributor who so often mistakes good humour, and beautifully written, multi-layered irony for spitefulness. You are true to form. Go on, thrill me with your intellectual acumen and reply with some third-hand remark and an icon.

you could always have pointed all this out to me in a pm instead of posting it in full view this kind of thing reminds me of the msn chatrooms where the cyber warriors where out in force trying to gain some kind of confidence

personally i dont have no beef with you but look at your comments on the thread i responded to tell me if they are the words of a person who is sane:) :) :) :)

Panda, your pathetic, laughable attempts to pathologise me, just because you picked a fight and are losing, will not work. I don't have to worry about whether I'm "sane" or not. My wife is a Psychologist, and would have told me by now if there were any problems in that direction. You may not have any "beef" with me, but I do so with you. I despise the likes of you who can "dish it out" but not "take it". This has been said about you before, on other threads. Stick to your twee little threads about obscure childrens' television programmes in future. Some tuition in grammar might help too.

i really dont know why i bother sometimes but here i go

i pointed out your posting was pathetic because you where condoning thuggery now if you want to attack me me for saying that at least do it in a adult fashion making insults about any spelling mistakes to put it mildly is another pathetic mistake

ive been coming on this board for quite a while now and ive never had to defend myself in this way and to be honest why should i... all this abuse is aimed at me because i deemed your post to be moronic

i make various comments on various sections on this forum ive started many good running threads maybe if you stopped having a one track mind ie just making comments on various sporting events i would respect your comments more seriously than what im doing right now but i wont hold my breath

uto:)

now now boys,

lets not escape the fact that UNITED ARE BETTER THAN WEDNESDAY he he he he he he

Originally posted by timo
Tosh, I never called him "scum". Read the posting.
Panda, who cares what you think anyway? You are well known for having a go at other people. I thought he deserved it, and the reference WAS to United not Man U. Hi Timo cpltshirt said in his qoute "let them two teams merge! lets see the scum & man city get together & see what happens"I thought he was refering to man utd & city.I know you did not call him or anyone scum,it was a reference to what cpltshirt had said in his qoute.

Panda & Timo you should stop insulting each other,we are talking about about the Blades & Owls merging not swapping insults at each other so come on guys.kiss & make up.UP THE BLADES

Tosh, you are absolutely right here. There will be no more put-downs from either side. Panda and I have exchanged private emails. Actually, I don't condone violence against anybody, I was being sarcastic re the Cyprus contributor's "bravery" in what I read to be an insult against the Blades. I can see how it might be misinterpreted, though. We'll keep the focus on Utd and Wed in future.

who cares its only football...

by the way, i have a football pogramme of united against wednesday if anybody is interested 1993 semi-cup final i think

pm me if your bothered cos was gonna stick it on ebay...

Originally posted by timo
Tosh, you are absolutely right here. There will be no more put-downs from either side. Panda and I have exchanged private emails. Actually, I don't condone violence against anybody, I was being sarcastic re the Cyprus contributor's "bravery" in what I read to be an insult against the Blades. I can see how it might be misinterpreted, though. We'll keep the focus on Utd and Wed in future. Good lad you know it makes sense,us Blades fans are always right,so theres no point argueing on a subject the Owls fans cannot change.UP THE BLADES

Originally posted by timo
Tosh, you are absolutely right here. There will be no more put-downs from either side. Panda and I have exchanged private emails. Actually, I don't condone violence against anybody, I was being sarcastic re the Cyprus contributor's "bravery" in what I read to be an insult against the Blades. I can see how it might be misinterpreted, though. We'll keep the focus on Utd and Wed in future.
lets hope both clubs get back in the premiership asap
cheers mate:clap: :)

Originally posted by venger
who cares its only football...



pardon???

Panda, all the best to you, too. Long may your flute be heard.

no way could u merge the two clubs. United are the better of the two teams anyway by a long shot

You Owls are having a girraffe :hihi:
What do you have to offer in a merge ?
Discuss

Regards Canada Blade

Originally posted by canadablade
You Owls are having a girraffe :hihi:
What do you have to offer in a merge ?
Discuss

Regards Canada Blade

do you always talk in riddles or are you just plain thick

it would ruin them both keep them seperate.

Wind your neck in and watch who you are calling thick

Regards CB

Originally posted by canadablade
Wind your neck in and watch who you are calling thick

Regards CB

im just going on by what you are typing , anyway keep going or can you prove me wrong ?

anyway back to the thread

both clubs will never merge to be honest both clubs have too much history for it to ever happen then theres all the rivalry to consider just by merging both clubs wont make it go away it willl just make it worse

There would be uproar, bloodshed, and a new team with no fans if the Sheffield clubs merged.

The fans would never, ever stand for it. We'd end up with fans setting up clubs like AFC Wimbledon. Hmmmmm AFC Wednesday and Blades FC.....

Originally posted by Agent Gypo
There would be uproar, bloodshed, and a new team with no fans if the Sheffield clubs merged.

The fans would never, ever stand for it. We'd end up with fans setting up clubs like AFC Wimbledon. Hmmmmm AFC Wednesday and Blades FC.....

i was thinking that as well can you imagne 4 football teams in sheffield

the mind boggles

IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN!
I CANT EVER SEE WEDNESDAY AND UNITED SUPPORTERS STANDING SIDE BY SIDE WITHOUT HAVING AGO AT EACH OTHER. IT WOULD TAKE YEARS FOR THE FEELINGS BETWEEN US TO DIE DOWN AND BE A SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR EVERYONE TO ENJOY SUPPORTING A SHEFFIELD TEAM TOGETHER.
AS "Agent Gypo" HAS SAID "There would be uproar, bloodshed, and a new team with no fans if the Sheffield clubs merged"
SPOT ON!
:thumbsup:

Originally posted by madowl
IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN!
I CANT EVER SEE WEDNESDAY AND UNITED SUPPORTERS STANDING SIDE BY SIDE WITHOUT HAVING AGO AT EACH OTHER. IT WOULD TAKE YEARS FOR THE FEELINGS BETWEEN US TO DIE DOWN AND BE A SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR EVERYONE TO ENJOY SUPPORTING A SHEFFIELD TEAM TOGETHER.
AS "Agent Gypo" HAS SAID "There would be uproar, bloodshed, and a new team with no fans if the Sheffield clubs merged"
SPOT ON!
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your portraying it like wednesday and united fans dont get along, when in fact we do.....

yes we have a lot of banter, but on a general note there is not much "blood shed"

its not like the glasgow derbies.... when it is not just football, it isreligion

Originally posted by Guest
Blue Owl, what exactly are you talking about? Let's start with speaking english please. What is a pillock, is that like the sheep you like to date? You have to get it through your head that one good soccer team is still better than two "wanna be's" halfs, even though you consider one half to be far better than the other.

We are talking monies and success here man, not your misguided pride and loyalty.

Oh, plus we would change the shirt colors too.... Any suggestions?

I.M.Joe King
Outsider?

you dont know what a pillock is?

You aren't from around here are you. :D

what would you call it?

Sheffield FC is already taken and is the oldest club in the world.

lets keep the owls and blades seperate.

Originally posted by Robbie_Lovin
your portraying it like wednesday and united fans dont get along, when in fact we do.....

yes we have a lot of banter, but on a general note there is not much "blood shed"

its not like the glasgow derbies.... when it is not just football, it isreligion

Yes i have to say "some" fans do get on fine, but would i feel safe sat on the kop at the lane in blue and white when we play utd In December....??? or would you feel safe sat on the kop at Hillsborough next feb..?? i have never been involved with the moron's where, smacking another supporter is part of the game, but ive seen plenty of it..99% of football fans are true supporters its the 1% that spoil it... lets say we did merge and we sat side by side on match day.... how long would it be b4 we started to chat about the good old days of the owls/blades, and all the passion and religion, it would take years for this to die down, it would be when my kids are adults.... we both have too much pride to even think, we as supporters of sheff utd and sheff wed could sit side by side on match day with out having a bit of banta between us.... I for one would rather give up football than the thought of Wednesday having anything at all to do with united in anyway or form... and i bet many utd fans would say the same... you just cant forget you roots.. its not just football its a RELIGION. I know many people that are unitedites and i get on with them like best mates, but on match day it all changes... to me its like saying the Germans won the war...:loopy: you cant change whats already done!

Originally posted by madowl
Yes i have to say "some" fans do get on fine, but would i feel safe sat on the kop at the lane in blue and white when we play utd In December....??? or would you feel safe sat on the kop at Hillsborough next feb..?? i have never been involved with the moron's where, smacking another supporter is part of the game, but ive seen plenty of it..99% of football fans are true supporters its the 1% that spoil it... lets say we did merge and we sat side by side on match day.... how long would it be b4 we started to chat about the good old days of the owls/blades, and all the passion and religion, it would take years for this to die down, it would be when my kids are adults.... we both have too much pride to even think, we as supporters of sheff utd and sheff wed could sit side by side on match day with out having a bit of banta between us.... I for one would rather give up football than the thought of Wednesday having anything at all to do with united in anyway or form... and i bet many utd fans would say the same... you just cant forget you roots.. its not just football its a RELIGION. I know many people that are unitedites and i get on with them like best mates, but on match day it all changes... to me its like saying the Germans won the war...:loopy: you cant change whats already done!

although im not disputing a lot of what you say, because most of it is what you, i and many more supporters feel....

but i have sat on the wed wed kop before on derby days..... very intimidating. i would rather be with the blades..... and i know if i spok eout of line on said day i would have got leathered.... but if the teams was emalgimated then it would not be your die hard fans that would go..... they wouldnt be fighting between them because it would be all for the said cause.

for the 2 teams to merge would be catastrophic, and it would take the bestpart of 30 years to get a proper crowd base together.

i believe if the teams merged you would find sheffield FC getting the backing of the city..... but hey...... its not gonna happen

Bloodshed was a slight exagerration, I just meant that fans of both clubs would never let it happen.

If they did, they wont. The team should be called Sheffield united as sheffield would be united. but wednesday fans would still class it as the other team so sheffield city would be good. or Real Sheffield

Originally posted by ReginaldD
If they did, they wont. The team should be called Sheffield united as sheffield would be united. but wednesday fans would still class it as the other team so sheffield city would be good. or Real Sheffield

ya wot ?
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It's a rediculas idea who could think of such an atrosity to bestow on the city of the gods......

tut tut whats happening to this place???

Honestly u don't see (i will be punished for saying this lol)
Man u and Man city merging..... Noooooo

so why should we even think about thinking it........

Owls all the way!

who eva suggested it must be:loopy:

it makes me want to :gag:

One word sums up my initial reaction - NO.

I would never go and watch a merged team, Sheffield FC might find they suddenly had more spectators.

I'm not a great believer in what they did to Wimbledon/MK Dons. Totally different team in a totally different place and yet they keep the same league position? No way.

Blades and Wednesdayites have no common bond apart from the city they live in, and that isn't enough in my eyes. I'm a Sheffield United fan and love the club as it is thank you very much.

Am I the only person who thinks this is a good idea. Neither play real football anymore so why not merge...A blue and red stripey kit...games at Don Valley. Sheffield Vulcans??

sorry but this subject has been done to death over the years!--it should be laid to rest now!:mad:

Originally posted by mikeyspikey
sorry but this subject has been done to death over the years!--it should be laid to rest now!:mad:

agree with you there it seems to be bumped up to the top from time to time maybe it should be left to rest:)

Cpltshirt, it is easy to call United and their fans "scum" from the safety of your computer in Cyprus! The next time you are in town, why not call in at one of the splendid hostelries near to beautiful, downtown Bramall Lane on a United home match day, and repeat what you have just said. Maybe we will find out whether you really are "Wednesday till you die", as I believe the Hillsborough saying goes.
I am really sorry to hear that you were , "born and raised an Owl". I am astonished that neighbours failed to alert Social Services. The sight of you, perched there, mobbed by Starlings, divebombed by Mistle Trushes, and with the pink, writhing worms dangling from your "beak" must have brought a tear to many an eye. Your pathetic cries of "Too-wit-too-woo", as you plaintively hopped along the evening rooftops must surely have attracted the attention of the Police? Never mind...
I must say that it really is a privilege to read a posting from such a hard man as yourself. Keep eating the spinach, Popeye.
UP THE BLADES

Whilst I can understand your point of view I will set the record straight. I was indeed talking about M.U. and not the blades. To make things worse I have had the misfortune to spend plenty of time at 'The Lane' nicking idiots. As yes, I was a copper in Sheffield for many years. There is something else for you dislike me for. Mind you I do have the pleasure of doing my coppering in the Med now. Which is nice. Unlike yourself, who I see has the misfortune to have to be, as you state, On the wrong side of the pennines. O and yes I do have a sense of humour, I do like spinach. But the fine creative writing, (even better than some of the statements I took I have to say), has shown that there may be a modicum of intelligence there, as you conjured a wonderful picture of a graceful Owl. Well done. O and sorry for the delay in replying, I was drinking a Brandy Sour!

If they did, they wont. The team should be called Sheffield united as sheffield would be united. but wednesday fans would still class it as the other team so sheffield city would be good. or Real Sheffield
Both teams merging would be a silly idea, I agree, but if it were ever to happen (God forbid) then it would have to be done using a modicum of logic and impartiallity.

First the strip:

It would have to reflect the original colouring of both teams' original strips.
The red from United and the white from Wednesday.

The name:

Once again, this would have to contain the elements of both teams.
From S6, 'Sheffield', and from S2, 'United'.

The ground:

The most central, and up-to-date one of course.

The nickname:

Ideally the one that has been used at some time by both teams.
'The Blades'


There you have it, a fair and impartial merger, using elements of both teams.

Sheffield United, playing in Red and White stripes, at Bramall Lane, and nicknamed 'The Blades'.

Can't see a problem with that myself.:D

Whilst I can understand your point of view I will set the record straight. I was indeed talking about M.U. and not the blades. To make things worse I have had the misfortune to spend plenty of time at 'The Lane' nicking idiots. As yes, I was a copper in Sheffield for many years. There is something else for you dislike me for. Mind you I do have the pleasure of doing my coppering in the Med now. Which is nice. Unlike yourself, who I see has the misfortune to have to be, as you state, On the wrong side of the pennines. O and yes I do have a sense of humour, I do like spinach. But the fine creative writing, (even better than some of the statements I took I have to say), has shown that there may be a modicum of intelligence there, as you conjured a wonderful picture of a graceful Owl. Well done. O and sorry for the delay in replying, I was drinking a Brandy Sour!
Idiotic ever thinking of merging,the cheer is bigger at both grounds when the other is losing than when the home side scores, well slightly exaggerated but you get the point.The rivalry is what makes football .
I suggest this thread was started by someone other than a Blade or Owl,if it was started buy a fan they must have dropped on their head when small.

Both teams merging would be a silly idea, I agree, but if it were ever to happen (God forbid) then it would have to be done using a modicum of logic and impartiallity.

First the strip:

It would have to reflect the original colouring of both teams' original strips.
The red from United and the white from Wednesday.

The name:

Once again, this would have to contain the elements of both teams.
From S6, 'Sheffield', and from S2, 'United'.

The ground:

The most central, and up-to-date one of course.

The nickname:

Ideally the one that has been used at some time by both teams.
'The Blades'


There you have it, a fair and impartial merger, using elements of both teams.

Sheffield United, playing in Red and White stripes, at Bramall Lane, and nicknamed 'The Blades'.

Can't see a problem with that myself.:D

And I suppose the manager would have to be Sheffield lad which would give us Colin.
Please anything but that:)
Colin

And I suppose the manager would have to be Sheffield lad which would give us Colin.
Please anything but that:)
Colin
No, that would be totally unfair. You must think I'm biased.:(

It would be decided in a sporting competition. Neil and Rab C. ... I mean Paul,...... head to head over 200 metres.:thumbsup:

You must think I'm biased.:(

The thought never crossed my mind:rolleyes:

Rotherham would get a new fan if (but it never will) that happened.

Gem

you only have to look at mk dons and sheffield eagles and what disasters they turned out to be. Like someone mentioned before being one of the "big boys" isn't everything i'd prefer to carry on supporting utd than some soulless sheffield club even if (which is very doubtful) it was a top 6 club. Like it has been said earlier again wednesday would just bring united down, no offence meant to any owls fans but you dont have the squad, investment or facilities. The blades should try and follow in Bolton and Charltons footsteps.

Not a cat in hells chance of a merger - ever. Good night all.

In answer to the thread title, no no no no no.

The majority of fans on both sides would never accept it, nor should they. sheffield is big enough to support two teams, long may it continue

you only have to look at mk dons and sheffield eagles and what disasters they turned out to be. Like someone mentioned before being one of the "big boys" isn't everything i'd prefer to carry on supporting utd than some soulless sheffield club even if (which is very doubtful) it was a top 6 club. Like it has been said earlier again wednesday would just bring united down, no offence meant to any owls fans but you dont have the squad, investment or facilities. The blades should try and follow in Bolton and Charltons footsteps.

Wednesday don't need to bring United down, Colin will do that all by himself
No offence meant to any Blades fans of course

Wednesday don't need to bring United down, Colin will do that all by himself
No offence meant to any Blades fans of course

Well he won't bring us to our poor neighbours lowly level (perhaps same league)

If they did, they wont. The team should be called Sheffield united as sheffield would be united. but wednesday fans would still class it as the other team so sheffield city would be good. or Real Sheffield

It would never happen, but if the worst were to come to the worst, I'd suggest the following:

Ground

A new club would need to establish itself in the city, and have business opportunities to increase its profile and be instantly recognisable to fans of other clubs round the country. I would further say that a suburban setting would restrict the opportunities of the club, and so a city centre location would be needed.

The perfect setting would be Bramall Lane.

Name

The new club would need a name to reflect the coming together of the two clubs in harmony, but we would all prefer something which isn't as unwieldy as Inverness Caledonian Thistle. To show the oneness of the new club, I say it should be called Sheffield United.

Nickname

Clearly, as the new club wouldn't be in Owlerton, the nickname Owls would be redundant. Our cutlery is famed round the planet, and nobody could support a club with the nickname "Spoons", or such like ("Come on you forks!" I don't think so ......). With the optimism which would come from the new venture, and to show the strident swagger and the way we will collectively cut down our football foes, the new club should adopt the official nickname of the Blades.

Kit

A controversial issue, but one easily solved. The kit would be made up as a merge of the current kits - complete sartorial equality and elegance. The red stripe from the United kit will be placed alongside the white stripe from Wednesday's. The colour of the away shirt will be of little consequence, but I'd say no stripes to ensure no clashes.

So there we have it. The new club will be called Sheffield United, play at Bramall Lane, be nicknamed the Blades and have a home kit of red and white stripes.

Seems fair to me.

Alternatively if you want to be totally fair, we can put it to the vote.

There can be 2 alternatives, one as you suggest, and then the direct opposite ie name: Wednesday, Strip: Blue & white, Nickname: Owls.

Then let the 17,000 United supporters and the 28,000 Wednesdayites decide the winner. :hihi:

Then let the 17,000 United supporters and the 28,000 Wednesdayites decide the winner. :hihi:

I suggest a re-count of these

thats the worst possible idea if one was ever thought!!!

Alternatively if you want to be totally fair, we can put it to the vote.

There can be 2 alternatives, one as you suggest, and then the direct opposite ie name: Wednesday, Strip: Blue & white, Nickname: Owls.

Then let the 17,000 United supporters and the 28,000 Wednesdayites decide the winner. :hihi:

I note with interest that you don't mention the issue of the ground :hihi: ....... and as for the figures, your estimate for Day Before Thursday is a good 5,000 over the attendance for 'The Big Yorkshire Derby', as Look Weeds would have you believe ....... :confused:

I demand a recount :hihi:

I said supporters, not Premiership hangers on and visitors :D

I said supporters, not Premiership hangers on and visitors :D

Woah woah woah, hold on there Tony.

You was comparing attencdances, Just stating you should look at averages this season Our's this season will be around 31,000 average. And Wednesday's will be about 23,000.

Don't care what circumstances are.

Oooo, you Blades do take everything so seriously. :nono: Perhaps you're desperately looking for something you can win this year :hihi:

Oooo, you Blades do take everything so seriously. :nono: Perhaps you're desperately looking for something you can win this year :hihi:

We won a fair few games last season, including a double over the Fowls :hihi:

Oooo, you Blades do take everything so seriously. :nono:

Oh no we don't :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

Perhaps you're desperately looking for something you can win this year :hihi:

Smoke and mirrors, Tony, smoke and mirrors ....... :hihi:

Yayy! I got you all smiling!!! :D Remember how it feels ;) :hihi:

our's this season will be around 31,000 average

Can you really see us averaging 31,000 this season? We barely got that against Liverpool and they brought 4,500.

It'll be interesting to see how many we get this weekend.

Yayy! I got you all smiling!!! :D Remember how it feels ;) :hihi:

It was my intention all along :hihi:

Oh, let's not dredge up the attendance thing again ........

Can you really see us averaging 31,000 this season? We barely got that against Liverpool and they brought 4,500.

It'll be interesting to see how many we get this weekend.

it was 31,726 against pool, and they only sold bottom tier (bout 2000 i think) and about 750 on top tier.

Looks to be another sell out tomorrow. Can't see any reason not to average 31k this year :D

Yayy! I got you all smiling!!! :D Remember how it feels ;) :hihi:

Good work, Tony. Good work, sir. I too think the Blades are ******** **** **** of the higest order, in fact they **** **** ********. In addition to this i'd like to add that Neil Warnock is a ******* *** ******** who also ***** *** **** and fornicates with the devil.

But apart from that I get on with most of them. :)

Up the Owls!!

it was 31,726 against pool, and they only sold bottom tier (bout 2000 i think) and about 750 on top tier.

Looks to be another sell out tomorrow. Can't see any reason not to average 31k this year :D

You mean Saturday, fellow Blade ......

You mean Saturday, fellow Blade ......

Same thing...... :hihi:

Perhaps I'm getting excited at another below par performance :D

Well he won't bring us to our poor neighbours lowly level (perhaps same league)

Now now Robbie, you should not talk about Rovrum like that:thumbsup:

Lets face it it doesn't matter what the attendence is, Blades will be relegated and Wednesday will finsh mid table. See you next season when the average drops from 25,000ish at the Lane to the usual 18,000.

Not bitter, just saying it how it is.

it was 31,726 against pool, and they only sold bottom tier (bout 2000 i think) and about 750 on top tier.

Looks to be another sell out tomorrow. Can't see any reason not to average 31k this year :D

Bottom tier holds 2,904. Liverpool got an extra 1,600 on the top tier.

Hope we do average 31k, I really can't see it though - we're having to put 3 offers on very early in the season: quid a kid for Blackburn, Junior Blades day v Reading and Ladies Day v Boro - all discounted ticket rates.

Bottom tier holds 2,904.

Really? certainly doesn't look like it.

Anyways. I'd rather attendances be lower, makes it easier for me to get a ticket :thumbsup:

Anyways. I'd rather attendances be lower, makes it easier for me to get a ticket :thumbsup:[/QUOTE]

Another Blade that comments all the time, but fails to get a season ticket, and don't come back with the old one liner "I can't afford it". I know kids who earn pittance but still go week in week out, you seem like one of the woodwork fans, who have suddendly re-appeared to the scene of Premiership Glory. Even though if you Blades all took a reality check, you know there'll be no glory in the Prem, you'll finish in bottom 3. YOYO club, up and down.

However if you manage to keep to onto your better layers once they have tasted the Prem scene week in week out, I'd be surprised, hence why United only manage promotion once in a blue moon.

Yo yo up and down, weve been down for years? Why cant wednesday fans accept that they were the best side for years but arent anymore instead of having to slag united off all the time about attendance - it isnt the quantity, more like the quality.

Yo yo up and down, weve been down for years? Why cant wednesday fans accept that they were the best side for years but arent anymore instead of having to slag united off all the time about attendance - it isnt the quantity, more like the quality.

Yeah, but Utd are hardly quality really, are they?

its all relative, anyway I was referring to the fans.

its all relative, anyway I was referring to the fans.

Yeah, me too. :)

Yeah, but Utd are hardly quality really, are they?
HERE HERE, I'll second that mate

Another Blade that comments all the time, but fails to get a season ticket, and don't come back with the old one liner "I can't afford it". I know kids who earn pittance but still go week in week out, you seem like one of the woodwork fans, who have suddendly re-appeared to the scene of Premiership Glory. Even though if you Blades all took a reality check, you know there'll be no glory in the Prem, you'll finish in bottom 3. YOYO club, up and down.

However if you manage to keep to onto your better layers once they have tasted the Prem scene week in week out, I'd be surprised, hence why United only manage promotion once in a blue moon.

Ah another owl who knows nothing.......

I haven't a season ticket for this or the previous couple of seasons because I often play on a saturday afternoon and sometimes work. So i can never guarantee that I can make it. But when I can make it I am there. Even if it is a nice trip away.

The one's with season tickets this season on whole are the glory hunter, we only had about 13,000 season ticket holders last season, and now suddenly have 21,000.

I missed one home game last season, and attended about 6/7 away games. Don't think i have missed many home games for united in a long time.

I'm not going to state I can't afford it, because I clearly can. I CHOOSE not to purchase a season ticket.

Also you refer to a "yoyo" club? Please Define "yoyo"

Yo-Yo suggests that they go up and down a lot.. like a yo-yo.

United are more of a "dead cat bounce" :hihi:



(don't take it too seriously)

I missed one home game last season, and attended about 6/7 away games. Don't think i have missed many home games for united in a long time.

If you only missed one home game last year, wouldn't it have meda more sense to get a season ticket? :confused:

Yo-Yo suggests that they go up and down a lot.. like a yo-yo.

United are more of a "dead cat bounce" :hihi:



(don't take it too seriously)

Exactly, so not really a yoyo club at all,

If anyone is guilty of being a yoyo (well a bust one that goes down and down and down lol) is Sheffield wednesday :hihi:

If you only missed one home game last year, wouldn't it have meda more sense to get a season ticket? :confused:

This is correct yes, but I wasn't to know I'd be able to get to so many home games. Sometimes I don't even know the day prior to the game if I can go or not.

Fulham Last week I decided to go at 8pm on thr Friday night.

If you only missed one home game last year, wouldn't it have meda more sense to get a season ticket? :confused:

I know what Robbie is saying. Sometimes Saturday is just not an option. And they are v. expensive to shell out for in one go.

I know what Robbie is saying. Sometimes Saturday is just not an option. And they are v. expensive to shell out for in one go.

It's not so much the cost Jazzy, it's the Saturdays.

I'd love to be able to get a season ticket every year knowing full well I could go to every home game. But it is just not viable

Yo-Yo suggests that they go up and down a lot.. like a yo-yo.

United are more of a "dead cat bounce" :hihi:



(don't take it too seriously)

Like it, a man who speaks sense

Ah another owl who knows nothing.......

I haven't a season ticket for this or the previous couple of seasons because I often play on a saturday afternoon and sometimes work.



I missed one home game last season, and attended about 6/7 away games. Don't think i have missed many home games for united in a long time.

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