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coral_amber 20-10-2005, 20:39 My son goes to this school and actually witnessed this attack.
Ive also known the family some years.
What you didn't see in the paper was that the attacker was an asian girl. My question to you is, if it had been the other way round it would have been considered a racist attack.
I am really scared that my son is placed in a school where the kids are carrying weapons, I want answers. My son is wary about returning back to school.
http://www.sheffieldtoday.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=58&ArticleID=1226401
amber/x
you are right to say that the paper doesnt report it all....all we get to know is what they want us to know.
unfortunately you only have to get on a bus doing a school run to hear what the kids are up to - stories of drug selling, violence and weapons use can be regularly heard on the 51 bus.
sad really, when kids start doing things like this. and people question why i send my kids elsewhere when arbourthorne /myrtle springs schools are on my doorstep.:(
coral_amber 20-10-2005, 20:47 Originally posted by samsmum
the attacker was a girl? a neighbour of mine said it was a lad...
you are right to say that the paper doesnt report it all....all we get to know is what they want us to know.
sad really, when kids start doing things like this. and people question why i send my kids elsewhere when arbourthorne /myrtle springs schools are on my doorstep.:(
Yeah im sure it was a girl because my son and his friend witnessed the attack.
Originally posted by coral_amber
Yeah im sure it was a girl because my son and his friend witnessed the attack.
yeah, sorry, i just edited my post, as i heard someone else say it was a girl and had forgotten!!
it must have been scary for your son.......:(
coral_amber 20-10-2005, 20:52 Originally posted by samsmum
yeah, sorry, i just edited my post, as i heard someone else say it was a girl and had forgotten!!
it must have been scary for your son.......:(
he was stunned bless him
the girl in the story was a friend of his
Pseudonym 20-10-2005, 20:53 From the report...
"A spokeswoman for head teacher Ed Wydenbach said: "I can confirm there was an incident in school which was dealt with accordingly. A knife was not involved."
So what WAS used... And just how truthful and reliable are reports of such incidents? It makes you wonder...
gifttherapy 20-10-2005, 20:57 This sorta of thing unfortunately is becoming more common and is scary as hell. :loopy:
Originally posted by Pseudonym
From the report...
"A spokeswoman for head teacher Ed Wydenbach said: "I can confirm there was an incident in school which was dealt with accordingly. A knife was not involved."
So what WAS used... And just how truthful and reliable are reports of such incidents? It makes you wonder...
wasnt a knife? gosh, must have been something sharp to inflict such terrible marks on her face.
luckily, the plastic surgeons at the childrens and in sheffield trust hospitals are some of the leading ones in the country - any scarring will be very minimal once they have worked their wonders.
I feel so angry for the poor girl and her family........i know what my other half would be like if anything like that happened to one of our kids.....i shudder at the thought.
my best wishes go to her and her family.
Internetowl 20-10-2005, 21:28 Originally posted by coral_amber
My son goes to this school and actually witnessed this attack.
Ive also known the family some years.
What you didn't see in the paper was that the attacker was an asian girl. My question to you is, if it had been the other way round it would have been considered a racist attack.
http://www.sheffieldtoday.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=58&ArticleID=1226401
The PC elite will get this thread 'closed' for you daring to suggest the attack may have been racially motivated. I bet the poor little dear who did it, suffered previously untold hardship and we should pity her.
Looks like that the victim will have the scars for ever. Not much justice there then..
Internetowl 20-10-2005, 21:31 Originally posted by Pseudonym
From the report...
"A spokeswoman for head teacher Ed Wydenbach said: "I can confirm there was an incident in school which was dealt with accordingly. A knife was not involved."
I bet she's not been expelled for it.
What struck me as curious was that the girl attacked said it was a 'blade' which was used on her. Then the Head says it was "not a knife".
So what sort of blade was it? A scalpel? A razorblade? Either way, to say it was not a knife is economical with the truth, as it was still "a blade".
Though before I know more, I will be prepared to accept that maybe he is trying to calm tensions down about it, which no doubt will have flared up!
Pseudonym 20-10-2005, 22:05 The school isn't the only one being 'economical with the truth', it seems that the media is following the same policy... If so, then what else is routinely omitted from reports as a matter of course?
This is a rhetorical question, by the way...
1Man&hisBMW 20-10-2005, 22:08 Originally posted by coral_amber
My son goes to this school and actually witnessed this attack.
Ive also known the family some years.
What you didn't see in the paper was that the attacker was an asian girl. My question to you is, if it had been the other way round it would have been considered a racist attack.
I am really scared that my son is placed in a school where the kids are carrying weapons, I want answers. My son is wary about returning back to school.
http://www.sheffieldtoday.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=58&ArticleID=1226401
amber/x
In all fairness it doesn't tell you the ethnicity of the person who was attacked either.
I truely am appauled at this happening - anywhere, not just a school. What is going on?!! If I had a child at that school I would be concerned at how this happened infront of a teacher.
Pseudonym 20-10-2005, 22:15 Originally posted by 1Man&hisBMW
In all fairness it doesn't tell you the ethnicity of the person who was attacked either.
True, but there are some hints though... "grandmother Kathleen Naylor, 55, of Berners Road, Arbourthorne, said she does not want Shanni, her older sister Leigh and their younger brother Bradley to return to the school."
1Man&hisBMW 20-10-2005, 22:20 Originally posted by Pseudonym
True, but there are some hints though... "grandmother Kathleen Naylor, 55, of Berners Road, Arbourthorne, said she does not want Shanni, her older sister Leigh and their younger brother Bradley to return to the school."
How does that make her white (could have been black, mixed race, anything...?) I didn't know the names were exclusive to white people - hell, maybe they have a separate name list for 'coloureds' in the school register these days.
kneetrembler 20-10-2005, 22:49 Originally posted by 1Man&hisBMW
How does that make her white (could have been black, mixed race, anything...?) I didn't know the names were exclusive to white people - hell, maybe they have a separate name list for 'coloureds' in the school register these days.
OK look at it this way why is it prejudiced if a white person attacks an ethnic but never gets mentioned when the table is turned ?
sugarnspice 20-10-2005, 22:55 It's very sad & shocking indeed. I live nearby and saw the police around. I feel so sorry for the girl who was attacked. :(
Pseudonym 21-10-2005, 01:31 Originally posted by 1Man&hisBMW
How does that make her white (could have been black, mixed race, anything...?) I didn't know the names were exclusive to white people - hell, maybe they have a separate name list for 'coloureds' in the school register these days.
Hey! Keep your shirt on sunshine! I said "hints", not proof... Calm down and note what 'kneetrembler' has said.
LellyBee 21-10-2005, 07:15 It's the lead story on a few of the dailies today complete with a pic of the poor girls face and yes, she is white.
pipped me to the post Lellybee.
And in case anyone hasnt read todays newspaper reports, it was a craft knife that was used in the attack.
Poor girl.
seems to ba a faimilar scenario at the moment . a 14 year old asian at my local comp. attacked/abused a friends son (age 12 - 3 weeks into new school) for no reason.
fortunately my friends son beat the beejesus out of the other lad.
result - broken hand & isolation for friends lad.
result for asian lad - black eye few buises and allowed back into school population.
jeffinsheff 21-10-2005, 07:31 I'm so glad that I'm not a teacher because I don't think they can be made responsible for everything that goes on at school their jobs hard enough but was if this beautiful young girl wanted to become a model or have a stage career in later life.Something needs to be done but I don't know the answer.Like one person said..thank god weve got some of the best hospitals in the country!!!!
coral_amber 21-10-2005, 07:36 I'm still wondering how kids are walking round with weapons at school.
The next thing we know, it will be a gun thats used. England is getting too much like america by the day.
Ive just sent my son off to school and im sat here worrying. The thing is if your kids aren't at school you get fined , so what do you do, live in fear thats what.
Originally posted by Internetowl
The PC elite will get this thread 'closed' for you daring to suggest the attack may have been racially motivated. I bet the poor little dear who did it, suffered previously untold hardship and we should pity her.
Looks like that the victim will have the scars for ever. Not much justice there then..
people like you will get the thread closed.
coral_amber 21-10-2005, 07:50 http://www.mirror.co.uk/
Just look at this poor girls face.
Maybe it was a compass? Something found in every secondary school though-out the country.
I'm glad to see that race has not been brought into it, as from all the reports it seems that race had nothing to do with it (I would expect the same thing if the roles were reversed and there was no racial motive). It was a vicious attack from a very disturbed young girl, who I'm glad to see was arrested.
Don_Kiddick 21-10-2005, 08:37 "kids go to school to be teached"
said Kath Naylor - grandmother - on TV.
What a terrible crime. :mad:
RazorSHarp 21-10-2005, 08:39 Originally posted by coral_amber
http://www.mirror.co.uk/
Just look at this poor girls face.
Good god, it was lucky she didn't lose her sight.
I assunme the girl that did this was arrested? I haven't read the papers today. She should get time for this, my little boy was scratched down his face by another lads fingernails and it left a nasty mark (fortunately cleared up without a scar) all the attacker had to do was write a letter of apology to him
No wonder newly built schools are having CCTV cameras fitted.
Should be entitlted to go to school without gettting your face slashed.
Does anyone know what has been the police response has been to this?
Ousetunes 21-10-2005, 08:47 No discipline inside school, no discipline outside school. There is no discipline at home. Sad to say, but this kind of thing has been coming. Kids sit glued to television watching hour after hour of endless (very often American) junk. Or they're on their computer games blowing each other up or throwing knives at each other (thanks to games no doubt designed in the US of A).
Now all of a sudden, our dear education secretary wants to give power to teachers to use force against kids who want to attack either themselves (self-harm), their fellow classmates (see this thread) or even the teachers themselves (the teacher stabbed to death in London some years since).
Too little, too late.
As a parent, these stories make me feel very uncomfortable. Whether it was a knife or not, whether the person who did it was white, black, pink or striped, it was an attack on the person. It is a criminal offence and should be treated as such.
I worry for my kids' futures; I worry for anyone involved in the teaching profession, but I worry more that our society is all partly to blame for this huge drop in moral standards which will continue to get worse as we once again copy the ugly precedents set across the Atlantic Ocean by way of 'blame anyone but me' cases - No Win No Fee, etc, etc.
'No Win' seems to be where we are all headed. That this should be allowed to happen is both a disgrace and moreover, a huge disservice to those in society who go about their own lives in a decent and moral way (ie, there are many, many good kids out there - we go to bed worrying about cases like this which are thankfully, rare).
It's about time the courts started handing out punishment which fitted the crime.
LellyBee 21-10-2005, 08:51 Hear Hear :clap: you've very succinctly put into words exactly how I feel as a parent :clap:
The girl involved was arrested and has been bailed to appear at a later date.
Originally posted by Ousetunes
No discipline inside school, no discipline outside school. There is no discipline at home. Sad to say, but this kind of thing has been coming. Kids sit glued to television watching hour after hour of endless (very often American) junk. Or they're on their computer games blowing each other up or throwing knives at each other (thanks to games no doubt designed in the US of A).
Now all of a sudden, our dear education secretary wants to give power to teachers to use force against kids who want to attack either themselves (self-harm), their fellow classmates (see this thread) or even the teachers themselves (the teacher stabbed to death in London some years since).
Too little, too late.
As a parent, these stories make me feel very uncomfortable. Whether it was a knife or not, whether the person who did it was white, black, pink or striped, it was an attack on the person. It is a criminal offence and should be treated as such.
I worry for my kids' futures; I worry for anyone involved in the teaching profession, but I worry more that our society is all partly to blame for this huge drop in moral standards which will continue to get worse as we once again copy the ugly precedents set across the Atlantic Ocean by way of 'blame anyone but me' cases - No Win No Fee, etc, etc.
'No Win' seems to be where we are all headed. That this should be allowed to happen is both a disgrace and moreover, a huge disservice to those in society who go about their own lives in a decent and moral way (ie, there are many, many good kids out there - we go to bed worrying about cases like this which are thankfully, rare).
It's about time the courts started handing out punishment which fitted the crime.
Extremely well put Ousetunes!!
well said
:clap: :clap: :clap:
Disco_Cat 21-10-2005, 09:44 Originally posted by Ousetunes
Or they're on their computer games blowing each other up or throwing knives at each other (thanks to games no doubt designed in the US of A).
Very good post, although the most violent video games such as the GTA series and Manhunter are the product of UK companies, but a minor quible.
From this BBC report it implies the attack was premeditated,
"It is believed she had intervened to stop her assailant bullying another pupil the day before"
I hope the sentence the attacker gets reflects this, and this poor girl should be given a bravery award for having the guts to defend her friend.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/south_yorkshire/4361724.stm
AtticusFinch 21-10-2005, 09:57 Originally posted by Internetowl
The PC elite will get this thread 'closed' for you daring to suggest the attack may have been racially motivated. I bet the poor little dear who did it, suffered previously untold hardship and we should pity her.
Looks like that the victim will have the scars for ever. Not much justice there then..
Yeah let's all go for tabloid justice instead. The S*n can run a front page campaign blaring out "Stop these sub-human knife-wielding monsters before it's too late!", and we can get an angry mob to storm the attacker's house. This is by far the most rational and efficient way to dispense justice in the UK. :rolleyes:
shararti 21-10-2005, 10:40 Originally posted by Internetowl
The PC elite will get this thread 'closed' for you daring to suggest the attack may have been racially motivated. I bet the poor little dear who did it, suffered previously untold hardship and we should pity her.
Looks like that the victim will have the scars for ever. Not much justice there then..
Why do you people have to take a incident like this to another level?
the attackers motivation was that she was accused of being a bully?.which dosnt justify the attack at all! However why then make ignorant comments such as "if it was the other way round then it would have been called a racist attack".
Serious racial attacks still happen Remember Steven Lawrence?!
barny_100 21-10-2005, 11:15 Originally posted by shararti
Why do you people have to take a incident like this to another level?
the attackers motivation was that she was accused of being a bully?.which dosnt justify the attack at all! However why then make ignorant comments such as "if it was the other way round then it would have been called a racist attack".
Serious racial attacks still happen Remember Steven Lawrence?!
A good example of what people have a problem with is here:
http://www.ukcommentators.blogspot.com/2005_09_11_ukcommentators_archive.html#11268184152 9888069
fred_notdead 21-10-2005, 11:35 Originally posted by Mathom
What struck me as curious was that the girl attacked said it was a 'blade' which was used on her. Then the Head says it was "not a knife".
So what sort of blade was it? A scalpel? A razorblade? Either way, to say it was not a knife is economical with the truth, as it was still "a blade".
According to the Beeb, it was a blade from a pencil sharpener!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/south_yorkshire/4361724.stm
GoGo_dancer 21-10-2005, 11:53 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/south_yorkshire/4361724.stm
It says on the Beeb that they reckon she was slashed with a blade from a pencil sharpener.
I used to go to this school and witnessed much bullying and fighting, but nothing to this degree.
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter if the girl who carried out the attack is black or white, she is still a 12 year old child, who is capable of conflicting such horrific injuries on a defenceless person, and she should be judged on that alone.
Internetowl 21-10-2005, 14:34 blade from pencil sharpener? that will blow her excuse of 'spur of the moment' out of the window - shows a high degree of planning and pre-meditation.
kneetrembler 21-10-2005, 14:52 Can you explain to me why 3 black lads attacked a young white couple on arbourthorne road and it wasn't classed as racial.
But on the other hand if it happen the other way round it would have been classed as racial.
Could someone explain why this is happening???
Originally posted by kneetrembler
Can you explain to me why 3 black lads attacked a young white couple on arbourthorne road and it wasn't classed as racial.
But on the other hand if it happen the other way round it would have been classed as racial.
Could someone explain why this is happening???
Political Correctness gone :loopy:
The black community gets their knickers in a bunch if someone so much as looks at them funny, but if they're "thingy" with us whites we're not supposed to bother about it.. WTF is that all about?!
Originally posted by kneetrembler
Can you explain to me why 3 black lads attacked a young white couple on arbourthorne road and it wasn't classed as racial.
But on the other hand if it happen the other way round it would have been classed as racial.
Could someone explain why this is happening???
How do you know it wasn't? The police may well be treating it as such. On the other hand it may have had nothing to do with race. To be a race crime there has to be a racial element such as the victim being selected purely because of their race. If a black guy beats up a white guy with any reason other than because the victim is white (eg. "are you looking at my pint")then it isn't a racist attack.
Pseudonym 21-10-2005, 15:36 Originally posted by KenH
....If a black guy beats up a white guy with any reason other than because the victim is white (eg. "are you looking at my pint")then it isn't a racist attack.
If the situation were reversed, it still wouldn't be a racist attack... BUT, it would be far more likely to be considered to be one and therefore more likely to be reported in the media as one. The point is that in this particular case, it would appear that both the school and the media, in the initial report is either manipulating or being economical with the truth. In the case of the media, that's nothing new...
Yes, Ousetunes, it IS a matter of lack of discipline, both in and out of school... The abolition of corporal punishment by both parents and teachers was a massive error, as is now being evidenced by the behaviour of (some) kids.
i am not surprised to hear it was a pencil sharpener blade.it's becoming a common 'weapon' in schools i'm afraid to say.sometimes used naively but ,more often than not ,with intent ,which i am sure was the situation here.i speak as a teacher here.
my own kids are currently in infants.because i teach in secondary i am well aware of what they face there and am worried sick what things will be like when they get to that level.things are bad enough now.god help us in 6 yrs time!!:confused:
karenjane39 21-10-2005, 15:51 I'm SO glad we managed to get our daughter into a school other than 'Mental Myrtle' (as it is known locally).
We went to look around the school one open evening and, while the staff are wonderful, the environment is horrible.
As I said to the head teacher, I know it's only cosmetic but our environment makes a difference to how we feel/behave etc.
The girls toilets were just metal pans, no seats of any description. Grafitti on the loo walls (no doubt to encourage their creativity!) and just a general feeling of being in some kind of ghetto.
Horrible place.
This was an utterly despicable incident and I am appalled that such a thing can happen in a school classroom. The re-introduction of corporal punishment - for parents as well as pupils - might not go amiss if this is what we have come to.
I don't know enough to know whether race per se was a factor in this but the police and the media definitely seem to be quicker to label something as 'racist' when the aggressor is white rather than vice-versa.
Originally posted by Ousetunes
No discipline inside school, no discipline outside school. There is no discipline at home. Sad to say, but this kind of thing has been coming. Kids sit glued to television watching hour after hour of endless (very often American) junk. Or they're on their computer games blowing each other up or throwing knives at each other (thanks to games no doubt designed in the US of A).
Sorry to derail the thread, but I have to point out that it is always the responsibility of the parent/guardian to monitor and control what their child is watching on TV and what video games they are playing.
Video and computer games are now an adult domain (the majority of gamers are between 18 and 34). The kids who grew up on The Sinclair Spectrum, C64 and Sega Master System have grown up and are making games for adults. GTA, Doom, Half Life 2. These are games for adults. Marketers in the games industry are not allowed to advertise to any demographic outside of the intended audience.
All video games are subject to a ratings system, just like movies. Buying your child a video games system or PC and additionally buying adult-rated games for them and then blaming the publisher and even their country of origin(!) is ludicrous.
Where do children get the money from to buy games that are often priced at 30 pounds or more? Again, these games are clearly marked with either an ELSPA or BBFC classification (unless things have drastically changed since I've been away). If the parent is providing the money or actually physically buying the game for their child, then they should take responsibility for understanding the content and its possible affects on their child.
If a parent bought a gun or an adult movie for their child, resulting in something 'bad' happening, would they blame the manufacturers/publishers of that product? This is an extreme analogy, but I hope it helps make my point.
If a parent allows their child to sit in front of a TV watching this mind-rotting content you worry about, why do they not turn the TV off? Change the channel? Get the child to do something else?
Why blame others? Where is responsibility?
Finally, the attack on the "US of A" for making all of this stuff is bizarre. You are blaming a nation for parental lack of responsibility?
Sorry to derail this thread on a terrible attack.
kneetrembler 21-10-2005, 17:05 the worlds going mad ................ whats the next generation going to be like.............when kids like this will be the parents. bring back corporal punishment as its the only thing kids seem to understand
Originally posted by coral_amber
My son goes to this school and actually witnessed this attack.
Ive also known the family some years.
What you didn't see in the paper was that the attacker was an asian girl. My question to you is, if it had been the other way round it would have been considered a racist attack.
I am really scared that my son is placed in a school where the kids are carrying weapons, I want answers. My son is wary about returning back to school.
http://www.sheffieldtoday.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=58&ArticleID=1226401
amber/x
Yet another asian on white attack that will not be reported as such. If it were the other way round the press and the PC multicultural w****** would be screaming the details from the rooftops.
I think we are getting the message here.
Parental responsibility is of prime importance.
Only last week on this Forum a small boy went missing and many people were worried for his safety.
The police were out in force searching for him. Luckily, he was found safe and well the following day.
However, his mother was reported as saying that he was normally in by 11.00pm.
The age of this child?
Nine years old!!
Disco_Cat 21-10-2005, 17:28 Originally posted by redhawk
Yet another asian on white attack that will not be reported as such.
Why do you need to highlight the ethnicity of the attacker in this case, if you look at the vast majority of news stories unless they were racially motivated news sources do not report victims or perpetrators ethnicity, take this as an example:
A 12-year-old boy who stabbed his baby nephew when the infant's crying interrupted a computer game has been ordered to be detained for six months.
Hull Crown Court had heard that on 15 December last year, the boy stabbed the seven-month-old baby in the stomach with a kitchen knife.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/humber/4268452.stm
Although in this source the victims ethnicity is shown through a photo, their is no reference to the perpetrator:
A primary school has suspended a pupil after he threatened an eight-year-old boy with a knife.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/4111080.stm
As far as I can see the only people who have anything to gain from pushing this as a racist assault, when I’ve seen no evidence it was, are the pond scum in the BNP. Who are already encouraging their members to exploit this event as much as possible. BNP supporters on white supremacy forums are already encouraging their user s to hijack this website and the debate surrounding this poor girls suffering.
mistyraven 21-10-2005, 17:31 BRING THE CANE BACK ..
Disco_Cat 21-10-2005, 17:32 Another example of a report making no reference to ethnicity, but it is worrying that a Manchester school had banned pencil sharpeners nearly a year ago to stop something like this happening, perhaps this will now become national policy.
“A school banned pencil sharpeners after a 10-year-old boy took one apart and used the blade to injure a classmate.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/4086099.stm
roughy101 21-10-2005, 17:44 i dont know if any of you remember my post earlier this year about a sixteen yr old pulling a knife on my 11yr old grandson, the boy got suspended for three days and received a verbal caution from the police,the school said they took this action because the incident took place outside the school gates,but admitteed the knife was then found on him in school,as far as i am concerned a lot more of this sort of thing goes on and never reaches the press, the education authoraties keep it as quiet as possible,i cant help but think the last couple of day there but for the grace of....
how many people have posted about corporal punishment.
How do you propose that teaching people that the person with the biggest stick is always right is going to stop the behaviour that we want to stop?
You're trying to out bully the bullies.
melthebell 21-10-2005, 17:52 Originally posted by Pseudonym
True, but there are some hints though... "grandmother Kathleen Naylor, 55, of Berners Road, Arbourthorne, said she does not want Shanni, her older sister Leigh and their younger brother Bradley to return to the school."
how the hell does that sentence hint at somebodys ethnicity?
melthebell 21-10-2005, 17:58 Originally posted by Cyclone
how many people have posted about corporal punishment.
How do you propose that teaching people that the person with the biggest stick is always right is going to stop the behaviour that we want to stop?
You're trying to out bully the bullies.
cos its the only language they understand .........plus i blieve the pc brigades you cant smack kids rule is what has broken down respect / discipline in school, they know they can get away with murder and if the teacher touches them, they get taken to court and the key thrown away, they delibrately goad teachers to get that type of reaction
I don't think Shanni sounds like a traditional English name (although the others do).
cloudybay 21-10-2005, 18:17 Originally posted by Cyclone
I don't think Shanni sounds like a traditional English name (although the others do).
The Chav's have taken over the asylum Cyclone. Just visit Poundland and shout " Shaaaani"...........15 under tens will then leg it through the door with a four pack of Pepsi stuffed down their shell suit bottoms
I dont get what all the racial thing is here?
If someone is capable of acting out such an horrendous attack on someone else then this person is seriously disturbed and has real problem, regardless of colour/ethnicity.
Does it really matter what ethnicity this individual was who sustained or carried out the attack the problem is that this was allowed to be carried out.
My sister was a dinner lady and cleaner at this school and experienced hands on what pupils at this school are capable of, however not all of then are like this. The parents, I believe are to blame and these kids should not be allowed to return to this school should be expelled full stop. These kids will probably then go on to do other things whilst not in school because the parents usually aren't that bothered about what they are doing or the kids are that out of control that the parents don't know what to do with them.
I have head different rumours about this incident and one of the has been that Shanni herself was a bully and not totally innocent, however I dont condone what has happened here, these kids, I think dont realise the potential harm that can be caused and at the heat of the moment lose their heads and act clever etc in front of their mates to gain respect/friends.
Nonsense. I really dont know what the answer is here.
kneetrembler 21-10-2005, 18:31 its about time kids went to boot camp when they get expelled . whats the point of expelling them ? its what they want ........ they dont want to go to school . bet they would soon change there outlook if they was going to a camp till they left school.
Unfortunatly thisw sort of thing will keep happening until parents are able to discipline thier children IMO anyway. You can't hit your children and are powerless.
I wouldnt have dared even talk back to a teacher for fear of facing my parents. Kids can do what they want now and I think its diabolical they back chat and treat everyone not just thier parents like cr@p.
Corporal punishment !!! :clap: :thumbsup: :clap:
youwhatref 21-10-2005, 20:40 Agree with jsys. I dont think this is racial and does not need to be reported as racial. The fact that attacks on white is not reported so highly in the media is a different matter.
Thanksfully the girl has been expelled, hopefully they will be no challenge to thsi by the girls parents. although i dont know the background, i dont think the attacker should be given the option of another school and hopefull she iwll be dealt severly by the courts.
It woudl be nice to hear the attack condemned by the attackers parents though although they will will remain anonymous.
Internetowl 21-10-2005, 21:05 She hasn't been expelled - they want to exclude her permanently but thats down to the board of governers and the education authority - I can guarantee it gets rejected by either of the two bodies.
Lets just see who pulls what strings shall we?
EMPATHY, IT'S ALL ABOUT EMPATHY.
SOMEONE WHO CAN USE A KNIFE TO CUT ANOTHER, HAS A TOTALLY BLATANT DISREGARD FOR THE OTHERS FEELINGS.
REGARDLESS OF CIRCUMSTANCE, BACKGROUND, UP-BRINGING ETC. MAKES NO DIFFERENCE, CHANCES ARE THEY'LL DO IT AGAIN.
youwhatref 21-10-2005, 21:16 Originally posted by Internetowl
She hasn't been expelled - they want to exclude her permanently but thats down to the board of governers and the education authority - I can guarantee it gets rejected by either of the two bodies.
Lets just see who pulls what strings shall we?
Sorry InternetOwl. I was quoting from the Star who may have got it wrong.
I do agree that the attacker will by sympathised with though and her Human Rights will be considered! :rant:
Internetowl 21-10-2005, 21:20 I was going on the report on Sky News - at tea-time. Seems that 'expelling' kids is no longer an easy option for schools?
Its no wonder some of them run amok:mad:
Originally posted by youwhatref
Sorry InternetOwl. I was quoting from the Star who may have got it wrong.
I do agree that the attacker will by sympathised with though and her Human Rights will be considered! :rant:
of course her rights will be considered. That doesn't stop us (society) punishing her.
youwhatref 21-10-2005, 21:50 Originally posted by Cyclone
of course her rights will be considered. That doesn't stop us (society) punishing her.
I'd hope Cyclone that her rights will be removed for a length of time by a Judge, but i supsect not.
Originally posted by youwhatref
I'd hope Cyclone that her rights will be removed for a length of time by a Judge, but i supsect not.
not all of them of course, just the right to freedom. But yes, it sounds like she should be in a young offenders home.
Laura2005 21-10-2005, 22:15 its all very well saying the parents are to discipline the kids, but they just do not, children are brought up to answer back and punch back if punched. it really is dispicable, the amount of young parents you see screaming and swearing and threatening to smack their kids - i AM a young mother so i can take that outlook, i have never seen an older lady saying or doing such things.
i have a one year old, and i am so very afraid that this is going to esculate to a far worse situation by the time he is in school. it doesnt matter what background or religion the attacker is from, its about right and wrong, and needs to be enforced.
Why are people seeing this as some kind of indication of the downfall of western civilisation? I dont get it at all. Its a nasty, ugly incident which really should not be getting national coverage. I just don't understand. And headup is spot on when he comments on...
"Or they're on their computer games blowing each other up or throwing knives at each other (thanks to games no doubt designed in the US of A)."
What a totally frivolous point. Just another dig at the states (everything bad comes from there doesnt it? easy to blame some faceless entity far away, god forbid we should look closer to home) Of course, some people think the world was a far less violent place before computer games and violent movies.....
Pseudonym 22-10-2005, 00:35 jsys... As you don't seem to have followed the majority of the posts on this thread too closely, the following may answer a couple of your questions...
Originally posted by melthebell
how the hell does that sentence hint at somebodys ethnicity?
You're the second person to pull me up on this, I suggest that you check the meaning of the word that I used, i.e. 'hint', before posting about it...
HINT: A slight indication or intimation... Notice the word 'slight' ?
What are the odds of an asian child having a grandmother by the name of 'Kathleen Naylor', as opposed to those of a white child?
N.B. This isn't a matter of introducing racism into the discussion as far as I'm concerned. It's a matter of the school manipulating the truth by saying that a knife wasn't involved and the initial report omitting to mention that the attack was by an asian on a white... Had it been the reverse, the chance of the possible racist aspect being included in the report, would be considerably more likely.
In other words, it's a matter of the public being routinely misled, by untruths or omissions, both of which appear to me to be evident in this case.
Pseudonym 22-10-2005, 00:49 Originally posted by Cyclone
how many people have posted about corporal punishment.
How do you propose that teaching people that the person with the biggest stick is always right is going to stop the behaviour that we want to stop?
You're trying to out bully the bullies.
First of all, administering punishment, corporal or otherwise, for wrongdoing isn't bullying, get that idea out of your head.
Secondly, teaching those who haven't learned the lesson that their misbehaviour can hurt them physically, is quick, infinitely more economical than many of the current solutions and most of all, it's extremely effective in the majority of cases.
psychos come in all ages sizes and colours, i don't understand what you're getting at when you say it would have been reported as a racial attack if it had been the other way round. she might just as easily attacked another asian kid for all we know.
Disco_Cat 22-10-2005, 10:01 Originally posted by Pseudonym
In other words, it's a matter of the public being routinely misled, by untruths or omissions, both of which appear to me to be evident in this case.
How have we been misled? The school said a knife was not involved and they were absolutely right the weapon was a pencil sharpener. Obviously still devastating as a weapon but their is a world of difference between 12 year old girls going to school tooled up with switch blades and a situation where a totally uncontrolled everyday piece of stationary has been manipulated.
And if you take the opinion that every time a news report does not sceptically divulge the ethnicity of both victim and perpetrator, we are being manipulated and lied to. Then you have to be consistent and get this irate with every report. Have you for example posted any comments complaining that you are being manipulated by this story not making any reference to ethnicity?
http://www.sheffieldtoday.net/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=58&ArticleID=1230151
royjames 22-10-2005, 10:58 Another white victim of racial attack and of course nothing gets said about this does it.
We simply cant have asians going around attacking white people,it doesnt fit in with the multi racial ideal .
Still its to be expected in our country now,nothing new here.:confused:
I think its worse... the kid must be seriously screwed up to use a normal piece of stationary and everyday and even think of it as a weapon.
I give up!
This country is getting more and more screwed up everyday.
Disco_Cat 22-10-2005, 11:44 Originally posted by royjames
Another white victim of racial attack and of course nothing gets said about this does it.
Other then the story being on the front page of The Mirror and being the lead story on BBC Radio 1 news
carcrash 22-10-2005, 12:00 And radio five live which had a live interview with the lass and her family, the Headteacher of the school and somebody from the council and the guardian, and pretty much every other news source I looked at yesterday.
Originally posted by Pseudonym
First of all, administering punishment, corporal or otherwise, for wrongdoing isn't bullying, get that idea out of your head.
Secondly, teaching those who haven't learned the lesson that their misbehaviour can hurt them physically, is quick, infinitely more economical than many of the current solutions and most of all, it's extremely effective in the majority of cases.
very difficult to see a clear distinction.
You give me your lunch money or I punch you.
You follow my rules or I hit you with a stick.
and it goes further than that, it becomes, you obey me or I hit you with a stick, which is exactly what the bully is saying (except they don't use a stick).
Would you expect to discipline an adult at work by hitting them with a stick? Why is it okay for children then?
kneetrembler 22-10-2005, 12:57 Originally posted by Pseudonym
jsys... As you don't seem to have followed the majority of the posts on this thread too closely, the following may answer a couple of your questions...
You're the second person to pull me up on this, I suggest that you check the meaning of the word that I used, i.e. 'hint', before posting about it...
HINT: A slight indication or intimation... Notice the word 'slight' ?
What are the odds of an asian child having a grandmother by the name of 'Kathleen Naylor', as opposed to those of a white child?
N.B. This isn't a matter of introducing racism into the discussion as far as I'm concerned. It's a matter of the school manipulating the truth by saying that a knife wasn't involved and the initial report omitting to mention that the attack was by an asian on a white... Had it been the reverse, the chance of the possible racist aspect being included in the report, would be considerably more likely.
In other words, it's a matter of the public being routinely misled, by untruths or omissions, both of which appear to me to be evident in this case.
I couldn't have said it better myself well done:clap:
kneetrembler 22-10-2005, 12:58 Originally posted by royjames
Another white victim of racial attack and of course nothing gets said about this does it.
We simply cant have asians going around attacking white people,it doesnt fit in with the multi racial ideal .
Still its to be expected in our country now,nothing new here.:confused:
well said roy :thumbsup: :clap:
Originally posted by samsmum
wasnt a knife? gosh, must have been something sharp to inflict such terrible marks on her face.
luckily, the plastic surgeons at the childrens and in sheffield trust hospitals are some of the leading ones in the country - any scarring will be very minimal once they have worked their wonders.
I feel so angry for the poor girl and her family........i know what my other half would be like if anything like that happened to one of our kids.....i shudder at the thought.
my best wishes go to her and her family.
It was the blade from a pencil sharpner
1Man&hisBMW 22-10-2005, 13:24 Originally posted by Pseudonym
What are the odds of an asian child having a grandmother by the name of 'Kathleen Naylor', as opposed to those of a white child?
What if the victim was black?
karenjane39 22-10-2005, 13:47 I think it shows even more deviousness to use the blade from a pencil sharpener. Like someone said earlier, she can't say it was a spur of the moment thing.
I think I've also read on one paper that the attacker had actually been missing for the first part of the school day. The lesson in which she attacked this girl was the first lesson she'd attended that day. Did she go in just to get her?
I don't know what the answer is for that school and others like it.
I've been on the bus past Myrtle Springs when it's been their home time and I tell you something they are SCARY kids.
I'm almost 40 and they terrify me.
Masses of cheap gold jewellery, loads of make up and the language is foul. Their whole demeanour is just aggressive.
I'm sure not all the kids at that school are like that but as always in life, the loud and aggressive get noticed first.
Originally posted by royjames
Another white victim of racial attack and of course nothing gets said about this does it.
We simply cant have asians going around attacking white people,it doesnt fit in with the multi racial ideal .
Still its to be expected in our country now,nothing new here.:confused:
Just because the acts of violence your party carry out are racially motivated, don't assume that all acts of violence are. I'm sick and tied of 'your kind' playing the 'race card' everytime something like this happens! This has nothing to do with race, so lets keep it out of it.
Originally posted by melthebell
how the hell does that sentence hint at somebodys ethnicity?
the photo of the victim in the paper was a bit of a giveaway
Originally posted by burny
Unfortunatly thisw sort of thing will keep happening until parents are able to discipline thier children IMO anyway. You can't hit your children and are powerless.
Why do some people keep making the false claim that people cannot hit their children and why do some people believe it? It is untrue. Corporal punishment by parents is not unlawful in this country.
Originally posted by burny
I wouldnt have dared even talk back to a teacher for fear of facing my parents. Kids can do what they want now and I think its diabolical they back chat and treat everyone not just thier parents like cr@p.
Again this is untrue. Kids cannot "do what they want". If they commit an offence and are caught they go through the criminal justice system, a process which sometimes ends in them being given a custodial sentence.
Don't believe everything you hear on the radio or read in the press.
spyro2000 22-10-2005, 15:15 Originally posted by 1Man&hisBMW
What if the victim was black?
Dont say that, you will throw a spanner in the works, and people like kneetrembler wont know how to post a reasonable reply :rolleyes:
..seriously though, you are right. If I posted my name all over the forum, you wouldnt be able to tell wether I was black or white (apart from the flag being a major clue ;))
Kids nowadays make me feel uncomfortable. I hate groups of em hanging on street corners and outside shops. I am very wary of them and I am in my 20s.
The parents can't be blamed completely but discipline and respect for others is not been taught to enough children at home.
I feel like putting some of em' over my knee myself. Teachers and the police must feel powerless and they shouldn't be. If they want to act they they are 18 + and behave like idiots they should be expect to be treated that way and get locked up.
Pseudonym 22-10-2005, 15:27 Originally posted by Disco_Cat
How have we been misled? The school said a knife was not involved and they were absolutely right the weapon was a pencil sharpener. Obviously still devastating as a weapon but their is a world of difference between 12 year old girls going to school tooled up with switch blades and a situation where a totally uncontrolled everyday piece of stationary has been manipulated.
And if you take the opinion that every time a news report does not sceptically divulge the ethnicity of both victim and perpetrator, we are being manipulated and lied to. Then you have to be consistent and get this irate with every report. Have you for example posted any comments complaining that you are being manipulated by this story not making any reference to ethnicity?
http://www.sheffieldtoday.net/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=58&ArticleID=1230151
To answer the first part of your question...
Dictionary definition of 'KNIFE': A cutting edge; a blade.
Frankly, I'm getting a little tired of explaining the meaning of simple words!
As for your second question, if you haven't realised by now the evidence of press duplicity, then you've either missed the point of my posts, or are a SUN reader... Or posibly both! ;)
EDIT: Typo
Pseudonym 22-10-2005, 16:29 Originally posted by Cyclone
very difficult to see a clear distinction.
You give me your lunch money or I punch you.
You follow my rules or I hit you with a stick.
and it goes further than that, it becomes, you obey me or I hit you with a stick, which is exactly what the bully is saying (except they don't use a stick).
Would you expect to discipline an adult at work by hitting them with a stick? Why is it okay for children then?
Fairly briefly... As we're drifting off-topic yet again! (You're a bad influence, Cyclone) ;)
Our society is governed by rules, the sooner a member of society learns those rules, the easier it is for them to learn to obey the rules and the better it is for all concerned as regards peaceful co-existence.
It's becoming obvious that in some cases, the rules are not being learned at an early age and that our present method of teaching these rules is proving to be ineffective in those cases.
Put plainly, far better to apply a stick to the backside of a child that hits another one for no reason, than to tell the child off, wait until later years and if the lesson still isn't learned by then, bang them them up for GBH. (N.B. This is bullying compared to adult crime, vastly over-simplified purely as a crude example)
Disco_Cat 22-10-2005, 17:29 Originally posted by Pseudonym
Dictionary definition of 'KNIFE': A cutting edge; a blade.
Don’t know what dictionary you read but the OED defines an knife as, “A metal blade used as cutting tool with usually one long sharp edge fixed rigidly in a handle or hinged” If you wanted to be very pedantic you could argue that the weapon does fit this description but personally I think the school were correct in stating a knife was not used. Another point of distinction is you have to be over 16 to buy knifes, if the blade of a pencil sharpener could accurately or legally be described as a knife surely the sale of pencil sharpeners would be restricted.
Originally posted by Pseudonym
As for your second question, if you haven't realised by now the evidence of press duplicity, then you've either missed the point of my posts, or are a SUN reader... Or posibly both! ;)
Incidentally I do read the Sun but I don't see what this has to do with anything, what would be relevant is if you could provide some evidence of this alleged duplicity. So far I’ve shown several examples of news agencies never making a reference to ethnicity, a policy which included a report from when a young Asian boy was attacked with a knife whilst at school in Manchester.
All the evidence I’ve seen shows that ethnicity is only mentioned when a crime is racially motivated, if you and the BNP have evidence that this crime was racially motivated I suggest you stop moaning on here about alleged duplicity and give your evidence to the police.
If, as I suspect is the case here, your only evidence for this being racially motivated is that the attacker was black and the victim white, please take Snooks advice and stop playing the race card.
Disco_Cat 22-10-2005, 17:32 Originally posted by spyro2000
If I posted my name all over the forum, you wouldnt be able to tell wether I was black or white (apart from the flag being a major clue ;))
I’ve got a mate whose a Jamaican of Chinese decent, meeting his dad and hearing this old Chinese guy talking with the strongest Jamaican accent blew a few prejudices away.
kneetrembler 22-10-2005, 18:14 Originally posted by coral_amber
My son goes to this school and actually witnessed this attack.
Ive also known the family some years.
What you didn't see in the paper was that the attacker was an asian girl. My question to you is, if it had been the other way round it would have been considered a racist attack.
I am really scared that my son is placed in a school where the kids are carrying weapons, I want answers. My son is wary about returning back to school.
http://www.sheffieldtoday.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=58&ArticleID=1226401
amber/x
1manandhisbmw
can you read ......................... every time a white attacks a black or Asian its classed as raciest but when a black or Asian attacks a white its never mentioned.
and yes it is raciest when a Asian attack a black or the other way around ....................get of your high horse
TrashyBook 22-10-2005, 18:36 Surely it would only be a racist if an attacker carried out an attack because the victim was white/a different race?
That doesn't seem to be the case here - the previous day's altercation prompted the assault.
And if there's no racism involved, there's no need to mention the colour of any of the parties - it's irrevelant.
Hmmm. I went to a school with a high % of mixed race children. Over 70% were Asian or Somalian.
Most of the time the school was like any other but the racism at the school was awful especially from the Asian to the white women. When white pupils complained about been called "white devils" which was a common taunt the head teacher did absolutely nothing because she didn't believe you could be racist towards white children.
It was a joke to be honest and more and more people are thinking this way too.
I agree if it had been the other way round the papers would have jumped on the racist band-waggon.
:loopy:
kneetrembler 22-10-2005, 18:50 Originally posted by burny
Hmmm. I went to a school with a high % of mixed race children. Over 70% were Asian or Somalian.
Most of the time the school was like any other but the racism at the school was awful especially from the Asian to the white women. When white pupils complained about been called "white devils" which was a common taunt the head teacher did absolutely nothing because she didn't believe you could be racist towards white children.
It was a joke to be honest and more and more people are thinking this way too.
I agree if it had been the other way round the papers would have jumped on the racist band-waggon.
:loopy:
so true and well said
autenite 22-10-2005, 19:01 Originally posted by spyro2000
Dont say that, you will throw a spanner in the works, and people like kneetrembler wont know how to post a reasonable reply :rolleyes:
..seriously though, you are right. If I posted my name all over the forum, you wouldnt be able to tell wether I was black or white (apart from the flag being a major clue ;))
Muslim asians hate afro carribeans and africans too the only people they accept are other muslims and even then if they are of a different sect they have a problem with that.
Pseudonym 22-10-2005, 19:04 OOPS! Semi-Duplication of the following post... d'oh!
Pseudonym 22-10-2005, 19:15 Originally posted by Disco_Cat
Don’t know what dictionary you read but the OED defines an knife as, “A metal blade used as cutting tool with usually one long sharp edge fixed rigidly in a handle or hinged” If you wanted to be very pedantic you could argue that the weapon does fit this description but personally I think the school were correct in stating a knife was not used.
You will note that in your own definition, the word 'usually' is included, I'm sure you don't need me to explain what that word means.
The school statement to, be strictly accurate, should have been... "The pupil was slashed with a blade"... FAR more emotive than saying "cut with a knife" and quite understandably, not said. However, to attempt to minimise the severity of the incident by stating categorically that "...A knife was not involved." is, to put it mildly, 'manipulating the truth'.
Originally posted by Disco_Cat Another point of distinction is you have to be over 16 to buy knifes, if the blade of a pencil sharpener could accurately or legally be described as a knife surely the sale of pencil sharpeners would be restricted.
The blade of a pencil-shapener is obviously a type of knife, as it's used to cut. The fact that it can be used to cut things other than those it's intended to, is hardly reason to restrict its' sale. restricting the posession of it in a school, as some schools have, is a different matter however.
Originally posted by Disco_Cat
Incidentally I do read the Sun but I don't see what this has to do with anything, what would be relevant is if you could provide some evidence of this alleged duplicity. So far I’ve shown several examples of news agencies never making a reference to ethnicity, a policy which included a report from when a young Asian boy was attacked with a knife whilst at school in Manchester.
Example of Media duplicity herewith... (http://www.sovereignty.org.uk/siteinfo/newsround/pcplod.html)
Originally posted by Disco_Cat
All the evidence I’ve seen shows that ethnicity is only mentioned when a crime is racially motivated, if you and the BNP have evidence that this crime was racially motivated I suggest you stop moaning on here about alleged duplicity and give your evidence to the police.
If, as I suspect is the case here, your only evidence for this being racially motivated is that the attacker was black and the victim white, please take Snooks advice and stop playing the race card.
Your lack of comprehension of my posts so far on this thread is depressing... Though as some of my writing isn't quite as simplistic as that of your admitted usual reading-matter, it may perhaps be understandable. ;)
At no point have I even suggested that this attack was racially motivated, let alone given any evidence for it being so!
That I should be accused of 'playing the race card' is, to put it politely, unjust... Please note that I'd be putting it considerably less politely, if I were to express my true feelings about your accusation!
autenite 22-10-2005, 19:56 Originally posted by Pseudonym
Fairly briefly... As we're drifting off-topic yet again! (You're a bad influence, Cyclone) ;)
Our society is governed by rules, the sooner a member of society learns those rules, the easier it is for them to learn to obey the rules and the better it is for all concerned as regards peaceful co-existence.
It's becoming obvious that in some cases, the rules are not being learned at an early age and that our present method of teaching these rules is proving to be ineffective in those cases.
Put plainly, far better to apply a stick to the backside of a child that hits another one for no reason, than to tell the child off, wait until later years and if the lesson still isn't learned by then, bang them them up for GBH. (N.B. This is bullying compared to adult crime, vastly over-simplified purely as a crude example)
Deliberately cutting someone with a blade during an attack is s20 assault at the very least but i think id go for S18 in this case
Pseudonym 22-10-2005, 20:05 Originally posted by autenite
Deliberately cutting someone with a blade during an attack is s20 assault at the very least but i think id go for S18 in this case
As the only 'crime' for which I've ever been 'convicted' so far and therefore have intimate knowledge of, is SP30 (speeding), I can but bow to your evident superior knowledge in such matters, my friend. ;)
Deliberately cutting someone with a blade during an attack is s20 assault at the very least but i think id go for S18 in this case
I really do hope the family press criminal charges. I would for the safety of other people if nothing else. Statistics show that violent people as adults were violent as children.
I would be scared if the culprit was my daughter. Although I would have thought the parents may have seen a violence issue before it got to this stage as IMHO it was pre-meditated.. pencil sharpeners don't fall apart (at least they didn't when I was at school).
autenite 22-10-2005, 20:12 Originally posted by Pseudonym
As the only 'crime' for which I've ever been 'convicted' so far and therefore have intimate knowledge of, is SP30 (speeding), I can but bow to your evident superior knowledge in such matters, my friend. ;)
s20 assault is GBH s18 assault GBH with intent to endanger life
see the Offences Against The Person Act 1861
Originally posted by kneetrembler
can you read ......................... every time a white attacks a black or Asian its classed as raciest but when a black or Asian attacks a white its never mentioned.
This is untrue, as the following examples show:
A spate of racist assaults on members of the Jewish community are being investigated by the Met.
Officers believe the same suspects have been carrying out the attacks in the Stamford Hill area of north London over the last month.
In one of the eight attacks a 14-year-old boy was punched and kicked as he tried to make a phone call.
The attackers are said to be Asian and black men who drove off in a Green VW Golf after each assault.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4186215.stm
A man has been jailed for life for the racist murder of the Glasgow teenager Kriss Donald.
Judge Lord Philip said Daanish Zahid, 20, must serve 17 years in jail before being eligible to apply for parole.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4101337.stm
A 64-year-old woman was raped by a man as she walked to work in what police believe was a racist attack.
The grandmother was in Langhedge Lane, in Edmonton, north London, at about 0500 BST on Sunday, when a man pushed her to the ground.
The suspect, thought to be Asian or Eastern European, seriously sexually assaulted the white woman.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3602475.stm
autenite 22-10-2005, 20:37 Originally posted by Fingers
This is untrue, as the following examples show:
A spate of racist assaults on members of the Jewish community are being investigated by the Met.
Officers believe the same suspects have been carrying out the attacks in the Stamford Hill area of north London over the last month.
In one of the eight attacks a 14-year-old boy was punched and kicked as he tried to make a phone call.
The attackers are said to be Asian and black men who drove off in a Green VW Golf after each assault.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4186215.stm
A man has been jailed for life for the racist murder of the Glasgow teenager Kriss Donald.
Judge Lord Philip said Daanish Zahid, 20, must serve 17 years in jail before being eligible to apply for parole.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4101337.stm
A 64-year-old woman was raped by a man as she walked to work in what police believe was a racist attack.
The grandmother was in Langhedge Lane, in Edmonton, north London, at about 0500 BST on Sunday, when a man pushed her to the ground.
The suspect, thought to be Asian or Eastern European, seriously sexually assaulted the white woman.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3602475.stm
None of these incidents have had anywhere near the blanket media coverage that occurs when the victim is black.
in the Kriss Donald case the news was deliberately suppressed supposedly to prevent inflaming racial tension. if that is the motive for the supression of mass media coverage why are we inundated with media reports when a black is killed by a white. Or is it that inflaming the black community is the goal?
A 'Sun' article on the incident (on the Sun website) mentions that the attacker is "believed to be the daughter of Somalian asylum seekers".
1Man&hisBMW 22-10-2005, 21:21 Originally posted by kneetrembler
1manandhisbmw
can you read ......................... every time a white attacks a black or Asian its classed as raciest but when a black or Asian attacks a white its never mentioned.
and yes it is raciest when a Asian attack a black or the other way around ....................get of your high horse
And if you can be 'bothered' to read, you will find plenty of examples on this thread which disprove your theory of asian/black attacks on white people not being mentioned. In your infinite wisdom however I'm sure you will try to cover this one aspect as not having enough media coverage.
1Man&hisBMW 22-10-2005, 21:24 Originally posted by autenite
Muslim asians hate afro carribeans and africans too the only people they accept are other muslims and even then if they are of a different sect they have a problem with that.
And your qualification to point this out would be what exactly?
It may have absconded your notice, but areas such as Pitsmoor, Burngreave, Firvale etc are such areas where the people mentioned in your post live in relative harmony. Based on this, I think your posting is somewhat misleading.
1Man&hisBMW 22-10-2005, 21:28 Originally posted by angle20
A 'Sun' article on the incident (on the Sun website) mentions that the attacker is "believed to be the daughter of Somalian asylum seekers".
Which, if true - I think alot of people have to question why they automatically accepted the attacker was asian based on the 'witness testimony' of another 12 yr old child.
And there ladies and gents, is the reason why you shouldn't always believe what you read on the fly, not that I always agree with what the Sun reports!
Anyway, see it for yourself here -
Sun Report (http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005490135,00.html)
Disco_Cat 22-10-2005, 23:33 Originally posted by Pseudonym
Example of Media duplicity herewith... (http://www.sovereignty.org.uk/siteinfo/newsround/pcplod.html)
mmmm so you’ve formed your opinions on this by reading an online journal which is self published by a BNP-frienldy, anti-immigrant crack pot. Now I understand where you’re coming from on this.
And you questioned the Sun as being a reliable source?
But if you leave aside the very dubious nature of the journal I believe the point you are trying to stress is that the brutal murder of Kriss Donald (and take note BNP his name has a double s) was not reported as a racist attack by the mainstream media. Before you go off lapping up the rubbish published by a self confessed “full-time Journalist and Campaigner” you might want to start with a more reliable source of information, such as the BBC which begins an article on the racist murder of Kriss with;
“A man has been jailed for life for the racist murder of the Glasgow teenager Kriss Donald.”
under the headline,
“Racist killer is jailed for life”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4101337.stm
Strange how in his article on the media not reporting Kriss’s murder as being racial motivated, Mr McConnachie misses out such a blatant example of a mainstream media outlet clearly reporting a black on white murder as being racially motivated. I suggest readers of Sovereignty should stop reading a publication so obsessed with playing the race card and find a more accurate organ to base their views upon, such as The Sun perhaps.
Originally posted by autenite
None of these incidents have had anywhere near the blanket media coverage that occurs when the victim is black.
Few crimes receive any media coverage at all and very few recieve "blanket media coverage". The fact that the crime which inspired this thread (in which the victim was white) has received a lot of coverage including reports on the front pages of national newspaper undermines the argument that the media discriminates against whites.
Originally posted by autenite
in the Kriss Donald case the news was deliberately suppressed supposedly to prevent inflaming racial tension. if that is the motive for the supression of mass media coverage why are we inundated with media reports when a black is killed by a white. Or is it that inflaming the black community is the goal?
In the Kriss Donald case his family appealed for calm because they didn't want a spiral of tit-for-tat attacks. Here's a quote from the family:
I would ask the nation for help in tracing those responsible for the murder of my son Kriss.
Five men, full of hate, and it doesn't matter to my family and extended family what colour these men are, murdered my eldest son.
They have killed Kriss and taken him from his loved ones and his sister Samantha, aged 17, brother Laurie, 10, and four-year-old twin sisters Amber and Tayler.
They are distraught and finding it very hard to come to terms with the loss of their dear brother.
Kriss is gone because of gangs, not just in Pollokshields, but in every area of our communities.
However, I would urge the public not to target the Asian community because of his death.
Kriss's life and short time in our world will be for nothing if those responsible are not caught and punished for the horror they have brought to my family.
They know who they are and I would ask anyone who can help the police solve his murder to come forward.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3524164.stm
The claim that news of the case "was deliberately suppressed supposedly to prevent inflaming racial tension" is untrue. If it was suppressed how come there are 29 reports about the case on BBC News Online alone, including some that contain graphic descriptions of how Kriss Donald was murdered? That doesn't sound like censorship of coverage by an anti-white media organisation.
Pseudonym 23-10-2005, 01:17 Originally posted by Disco_Cat
mmmm so you’ve formed your opinions on this by reading an online journal which is self published by a BNP-frienldy, anti-immigrant crack pot. Now I understand where you’re coming from on this....
If you care to scroll down you'll see that articles from the "Scottish Daily Mail March 22, 2004, p. 5." and "The Scotsman 19 March 2004" are wholly or partially reproduced. Furthermore, by clicking on the link at the very bottom of the page, you'll be able to read an article by a former Strathclyde police chief inspector.
Are we to assume that these sources are all "BNP-frienldy" (sic) Or would it be safer to assume that you've followed ingrained habit by glancing at the headlines and then turning immediately to 'page 3' and consequently not noticing them? ;)
You may be aware that there are a couple of cheap shots within the above text, but after having been accused of 'playing the race-card' by yourself, I don't feel over-inclined to be courteous, I trust that you will understand...
Disco_Cat 23-10-2005, 01:34 Originally posted by Pseudonym
If you care to scroll down you'll see that articles from the "Scottish Daily Mail March 22, 2004, p. 5." and "The Scotsman 19 March 2004" are wholly or partially reproduced.
But the point still remains that this champion of the truth has taken great care to only reproduce selective sources which support his totally biased assessment. Why does he only reproduce these articles and not ones counter to his point? as a credible journal would.
The BNP hold up the Kriss Donald case up as being allegedly a clear cut example of the media ignoring black on white racist attacks, but as I and other users have shown this is simply not the reality.
However the fact that the BNP and it's supporters care nothing about the truth, only about exploiting the race issue goes without saying really.
Apologies in advance for any offence typo’s may cause
spyro2000 23-10-2005, 01:59 Originally posted by autenite
Muslim asians hate afro carribeans and africans too the only people they accept are other muslims and even then if they are of a different sect they have a problem with that.
Have you been smoking something? How do you come to that conclusion? A large proportion of my friends are Asian Muslims... perhaps they are pretending to be friends with me ay? :suspect: :loopy:
Pseudonym 23-10-2005, 02:00 Disco_Cat... You asked for an example of media duplicity, not an example of a balanced discussion, I attempted to oblige. The Media is both controlled and controlling, in the main it goes to great lengths to avoid being labelled 'non-pc'. To this end, news reports are manipulated and hence ipso facto, they're duplicitous.
Incidentally, please don't feel that you need to apologise for any offence caused by typos... That is not what caused offence, as I'm sure you know...
EDITED To add:
After you've replied, may I suggest that we call it a day, our discussion now has little, if anything, to do with the original thread.
Doubtless we'll both live to 'fight' another day... ;)
rothschild 23-10-2005, 02:30 OK......I read the first few posts and the last few posts and realise that this thread has degenerated into a racist type thread.......so I am going to attempt to bring it back to the original post........young girl slashed in school. Nobody......but nobody, should have to go to school and face that threat never mind the reality of being slashed!! What on earth is going on here? I don't care a damn what colour or crede the offender is........it just should not happen. Having said that it really isn't anything new. It has been happening for years but without the publicity and maybe not the degree of viciousness that we see nowadays. Back in the early 1980's my Daughter was attacked with a pen knife at Gleadless valley high school. Her crime was??? She decided to enter the computer room during her lunch break. The bonehead male that attacked her was also doing the same thing at the same time. Result?? He slashed her hand with a knife as she raised it to protect her face from being slashed open! We were invited to attend the school for a "meeting". We were asked not to take this incident further because the poor child that assualted our girl hadn't got a very nice life!! Like the soft touches that we were back then we found ourselves being placed into the position of agreement!! I wish I could go back now because I have never forgiven myself for being brow-beaten into this agreement! Nowadays I would insist that that little s**t would be locked up for his crime!! He was 15 at the time!! Child?? I think not. I often wonder what prison he is in right now. AND........that is the problem nowadays......we make too many excuses for the bad behaviour of others. Everybody is responsible for their actions from quite a young age. By the age of 10 it MUST be assumed that they are able to know right from wrong.........and dismantling a pencil sharpener and slashing another persons face open with the blade DOES qualify as a pre-meditated attack on another and there is no excuse for this sort of violation. The perpretator must be punished severely. If they do have behavioural problems then these must be tackled in an environment of containment and away from their normal background. In other words.......lock em up first and then try and sort the physcho out!
I am of an age to witness the full turning of the circle.......and giving back the power of punishment to the schools must surely be seen as the result of the turning of the circle? We have tried the softly softly approach and it clearly doesn't work.........lets get back to basics now. It is time to teach our young ones that if they want to commit crime that is all well and good.............but they will ultimately reap what they sow.
One other thing.......the school in question as regards this child being slashed is the same school which harbours children that "stoned" a dial-a-ride mobility bus full of elderly and disabled people recently!! I don't blame the school........they have their hands tied and I wouldn't want their jobs for a kings ransome.
Rothschild
Very good reply ; I agree and sympathise with what you said .
The , "Softly-softly " approach definitely seems NOT to have worked . The tragedy is that millions of our children have had to suffer from bullying and poor education whilst the dumb-heads at the D of E, & E. are still dithering and dallying with this obvious truth , which a child of 10 could have told them and saved us all billions of pounds .
The trendy educationalists [if it's possible to call them that ! ] have been swallowing crackpot ideas , mainly dreamed up in America , by even more dunderheaded trendies , and applying those crackpot ideas to the British situation . Even when it was obvious that the whole thing was a joke and a shambles , the Trendies were , and still are , too proud to admit they were wrong .
I was badly behaved at school , worked for 22 years in various jobs , studied education for 4 years and I've been a teacher for 21 years and in my opinion , standards of behaviour and education have gone down the Swanee , alarmingly .[ the ONLY thing that keeps immature teenagers and stupid adults in line is force or the threat of force ]. My personal solution was to teach abroad , as I love teaching . Some teachers have taken early retirement , some have got out of it altogether and many only work at it for a very short time and then realise what they've got themselves into ------and it's , 'Bye-bye ' to another potentially good teacher .
It IS possible to be an ,'Idiot-intellectual ' and to make up rules from an armchair and I'm afraid those idiots have been making daft , unworkable rules up for about 30 years now .
1Man&hisBMW 23-10-2005, 13:05 Originally posted by spyro2000
Have you been smoking something? How do you come to that conclusion? A large proportion of my friends are Asian Muslims... perhaps they are pretending to be friends with me ay? :suspect: :loopy:
I'm wondering the same - what gives them the authority to make such a sweeping generalisation?
kneetrembler 24-10-2005, 03:45 who said blacks and Asians r not prejudice look at this.
it seams that more and more people from different races r clashing .
they should put there color or religion to 1 side and learn to get on.
i suppose it will never stop its gone on since the beginning of time and will still be going of well after we r all gone
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/4370288.stm
and if the girl and her family r illegal immigrants they should send her and her family right back to where they came from for what she did to poor Shanie naylor.
we dont need scum like that here
Mod. Note
OK - before we go off on a diatribe here about illegal immigration, there's already a thread for that.
Keep speculation about the accused perpetrator of this act off the thread - there are no issues about discussing FACT, but speculation is not on whilst there is a 'live' investigation of the event taking places.
Also, please stop playing the race card here; doesn't matter whether both people concerned were green with pink spots. It's not something to win political points off of.
So, please bear these points in mind.
Thanks,
Joe
From yesterday's Sheffield Star:
SCHOOL HEAD TOLD TO QUIT (http://www.sheffieldtoday.net/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=58&ArticleID=1234140)
FURIOUS parents are demanding the resignation of the headteacher of the Sheffield school where a young girl was slashed across the face in a classroom attack.
Concerned mums and dads are circulating a petition around Arbourthorne and Norfolk Park calling for Ed Wydenbach to leave Myrtle Springs School.
They say he should have done more to stop what they call a culture of bullying at the school.
On the day the petition was launched 37 people signed their names to it.
Originally posted by karenjane39
I've been on the bus past Myrtle Springs when it's been their home time and I tell you something they are SCARY kids.
I'm almost 40 and they terrify me.
Masses of cheap gold jewellery, loads of make up and the language is foul. Their whole demeanour is just aggressive.
I'm sure not all the kids at that school are like that but as always in life, the loud and aggressive get noticed first.
Also from the article:
Today, worried mum Stephanie Thomas, aged 38, of Norfolk Park, said the slashing incident had enraged parents so much they decided to take a stand.
She claims she herself was attacked by a group of pupils at the school last year when she went to ask staff to do more to protect her 15-year-old daughter Jade from constant verbal abuse and intimidation. Mrs Thomas claims her daughter had been bullied for years.
"If the school had tackled the problem when we reported it time and again, I wouldn't have had to go to the school myself, but we were so frustrated with the school's attitude that I demanded to see the teachers and ended up being attacked by Jade's bullies myself," she said.
Another mum - Donna Coe, from Arbourthorne - claims her daughter was left black and blue in a beating by a gang of bullies. She said it took the school three weeks to agree to discuss the attack.
Another mum, who does not want to be named, complained about the time it took the school to write to parents about the two recently publicised incidents of violence.
"The school is quick to write to you if your children are going to school wearing the wrong coloured shoes, but where bullying is concerned it feels as though nothing is being done," she said.
spangler 29-10-2005, 15:02 I would be very careful about speculating about this matter when all you have is newspaper reports and hearsay. I have heard very different versions of events prior to this attack which cast a different light on matters. All we have really heard so far is one side of the story, others cannot be heard because of possible court cases. I would suggest that conclusions are not jumped to or causes championed until the full story is made public.
Internetowl 05-12-2005, 15:17 Update - Girl charged over school slashing
A 12-year-old schoolgirl has been charged in connection with an alleged attack on a fellow pupil who was slashed across the face.
She is due before Sheffield Youth Court on 12 December following the attack at a school in the city in October.
South Yorkshire Police said: "She has been charged with Section 18 wounding."
Her victim had to have 30 stitches in her face following the attack. It is believed a blade from a pencil sharpener was used in the incident.
Section 18 offences carry a maximum sentence of life imprisonment.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/south_yorkshire/4499206.stm
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Internetowl
[B]Update - Girl charged over school slashing
A 12-year-old schoolgirl has been charged in connection with an alleged attack on a fellow pupil who was slashed across the face.
She is due before Sheffield Youth Court on 12 December following the attack at a school in the city in October.
South Yorkshire Police said: "She has been charged with Section 18 wounding."
Her victim had to have 30 stitches in her face following the attack. It is believed a blade from a pencil sharpener was used in the incident.
Section 18 offences carry a maximum sentence of life imprisonment
yes and you can guarantee her social worker will get the section 18 lifted due to her age,or past, a pound to a penny the family get rehoused,she gets probation and then a claim for stress will be put in
Internetowl 05-12-2005, 16:01 hopefully they'll fully realise the potential of the 'claim' for damages against the victim - World gone mad
Originally posted by spangler
I would be very careful about speculating about this matter when all you have is newspaper reports and hearsay. I have heard very different versions of events prior to this attack which cast a different light on matters. All we have really heard so far is one side of the story, others cannot be heard because of possible court cases. I would suggest that conclusions are not jumped to or causes championed until the full story is made public. what conclusions would that be? girl charged with slashing another girl by police,court case to follow......what conclusions can be drawn ? obviously the police have witness statements to back up the charge or it would not have been presented to the court
Internetowl 05-12-2005, 17:24 But the spangler knows better....will he be giving his evidence or is he just another 'do-gooder' trying to make out everything in the garden is rosy?
Originally posted by Internetowl
But the spangler knows better....will he be giving his evidence or is he just another 'do-gooder' trying to make out everything in the garden is rosy? every rose bush is full of pricks,or thorns,depending on which way you look at things:D
spangler 06-12-2005, 12:25 Spangler posted before latest news - however I wouldn't hold your breath if you're waiting for retribution against the one charged. The victim may not be as innocent as she appears in biased press reports that only publish her family's point of view. I am merely suggesting that judgement can't be made on the basis of one side of the story. People are too quick to leap to conclusions without getting the full facts- which we still don't have in the public domain. If wanting to wait for the full story is being a 'do-gooder' then I am glad to be one.
sheffbag 07-12-2005, 08:18 But the point still remains that the person charged stands charged with attacking a fellow pupil with a blade in the classroom.
Im all for teachers giving the child verbal abuse, and a good smack with the parents backing.
Tintsexpert 07-12-2005, 08:29 Look at the accusations "the girl was attacked with the blade from a pencil sharpner" the blade didn't just fall off into her hand, if this was an adult, it would be classed as gbh because the blade was taken out of the sharpner with intent to wound. Don't think you need much more than that.
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