I'm posting this on behalf of my mum!

Billy Graham, the american evangelist came to Sheffield on 22-29th June 1985. He did his mission from The United Ground at Bramhall Lane. My mum was one of the counsellors there.

She is wanting some information about those nights and I wondered if anyone on here could help.

Things she wants to know are :

Which 'big name stars' appeared during the 8 days? She can remember Cliff Richard and Big Daddy.

How many people sang in the choir?

Was Billy Graham presented with a canteen of Sheffield Cutlery at the end?

How many young people attended on the Friday youth night?

I know this is a long shot but if anyone can answer these questions or knows anyone who can, she'd be very grateful.

Thanks :thumbsup:

Anyone?

I guess you're not a God fearing lot on here lol! (neither am I!!)

Bump to the top again just in case!

Originally posted by FetishFairy
I'm posting this on behalf of my mum!

Billy Graham, the american evangelist came to Sheffield on 22-29th June 1985. He did his mission from The United Ground at Bramhall Lane. My mum was one of the counsellors there.

She is wanting some information about those nights and I wondered if anyone on here could help.

Things she wants to know are :

Which 'big name stars' appeared during the 8 days? She can remember Cliff Richard and Big Daddy.

How many people sang in the choir?

Was Billy Graham presented with a canteen of Sheffield Cutlery at the end?

How many young people attended on the Friday youth night?

I know this is a long shot but if anyone can answer these questions or knows anyone who can, she'd be very grateful.

Thanks :thumbsup:

I can't remember much about any of it, though I went the night Cliff was there (iirc, his presence wasn't advertised for that night). The only thing I really remember was that my (ex) husband's bike was stolen while we were in the stadium!

Hiya

You could try contacting the organisation at:

http://www.billygraham.org/

I was a counsellor too - I went nearly every night and my wife was in the choir which ran to several hundred.

The only 'big names' I remember were Cliff and a christian songwriter called Graham Kendrick.

Billy Graham did get presented with a memo of Sheffield and now that you mention it, I think it was a canteen of cutlery.

You might also wish to contact someone at Cemetry Road Baptist Church - they were chosen by the B.G organsisation as the headquarters leading up to and during the mission. They took over the entire (very large ) basement and converted it into offices etc. There may be someone there who can still remember the visit.

Originally posted by ladyacademic
The only thing I really remember was that my (ex) husband's bike was stolen while we were in the stadium!

You have to watch those Christians, they'll nick anything!! ;)

I used to work for the company who provided the sound system for the 1984 Billy Graham "Mission England" concerts. I can honestly say I've rarely met a bigger bunch of arseholes than the so-called Christians who organised that tour.

i, along with my wife and her sister were in the choir as well as being councellors and agree that the americans were a bunch of idots, then again arnt ALL american evangelicals??

funt time tho but very tiring

dave

I just remember thinking how great it was to have a full house at Bramall Lane.....

...and I'm a Unitedite! We were getting some of our all-time worse gates in that season IIRC.

Why not contact the Sheffield Star? They might have all the info in their archives.

Worth a try?

Originally posted by mojoworking
You have to watch those Christians, they'll nick anything!! ;)

I used to work for the company who provided the sound system for the 1984 Billy Graham "Mission England" concerts. I can honestly say I've rarely met a bigger bunch of arseholes than the so-called Christians who organised that tour.

Thing is, they might be Christians, but they are still human beings, and falliable.

Being a Christian does not automatically preclude one from the A*hole stakes.

(oh, yeah, I forgot to mention, my first husband was in the celebration choir, for the event)

PT

Pop into the city library on Surrey St. - the local archives there have all the main newspapers going back into the 19th century.

Within 5 minutes you'll be reading all the original newspaper reports of the event, and you can print off copies for about 20p or so.

Would this be the same Billy Graham?
In the conversation with Nixon, the Southern Baptist evangelist expressed disdain for what he saw as Jewish domination of the media.

"This stranglehold has got to be broken or this country's going down the drain," Graham said, agreeing with Nixon's own comments earlier in the conversation.

"You believe that?" Nixon says in response.

"Yes, sir," says Graham.

"Oh boy. So do I," Nixon agrees, then says: "I can't ever say that but I believe it."

"No, but if you get elected a second time, then we might be able to do something," Graham says, reassuring the president

Fundamentalist Alert

Thanks for all the suggestions. She's got some ideas now so thanks to you all.

My mum sang in the choir....she might know something?

I can ask if you want me to?

Originally posted by Plain Talker
Thing is, they might be Christians, but they are still human beings, and falliable.

Being a Christian does not automatically preclude one from the A*hole stakes.

(oh, yeah, I forgot to mention, my first husband was in the celebration choir, for the event)

PT

The thing is, Billy Graham and his cohorts are only one step down the ladder from Jimmy Swaggart, Pat Robertson, Jim & Tammy Bakker and all those other opportunistic nutters on the religious right.

Graham may temper the fire and brimstone aspect somewhat in order to appeal to a wider audience, but in every other respect he's just the same as all the other rabble-rousing American evangelists.

Indoctrination and exploitation of the weak (and weak-minded) is the name of the game.

Originally posted by headup
My mum sang in the choir....she might know something?

I can ask if you want me to?

Thanks that would be great :thumbsup:

Originally posted by mojoworking
You have to watch those Christians, they'll nick anything!! ;)

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all i know is billy graham chose bramall lane because he said there was a godly presence about the place,unfortunatley he never got to meet him as tony currie was on holiday that particular week :)

Originally posted by kirky
all i know is billy graham chose bramall lane because he said there was a godly presence about the place,unfortunatley he never got to meet him as tony currie was on holiday that particular week :)

Good thinking Kirky :thumbsup: I know I have had more enjoyment out of watching TC and Birch (who can remember them kissing on the pitch) than Billy Graham was ever likely to give me.

The late Russell Harty was not actually there, but he did a two-way live TV broadcast (Russell Harty in the studio, Billy Graham on the podium). The curious thing was that, during that week, most of the country had lots of rain, but the sun shone in Sheffield. I'm not religious, but...

The thing is, Billy Graham and his cohorts are only one step down the ladder from Jimmy Swaggart, Pat Robertson, Jim & Tammy Bakker and all those other opportunistic nutters on the religious right.

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He is also ten steps up the ladder from Nutty Nutkins the nutcase from Nutsville who, like Billy Graham, lines his pocket by feeding off the other gullible nuts.

Evangelical gatherings really ought to show warnings at the entrances which say, "Danger. Definitely contains nuts".

The thing is, Billy Graham and his cohorts are only one step down the ladder from Jimmy Swaggart, Pat Robertson, Jim & Tammy Bakker and all those other opportunistic nutters on the religious right.

Graham may temper the fire and brimstone aspect somewhat in order to appeal to a wider audience, but in every other respect he's just the same as all the other rabble-rousing American evangelists.

Indoctrination and exploitation of the weak (and weak-minded) is the name of the game.

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Mojo has things spot on. I remember that Jimmy Swaggart character crying on t.v. saying 'I have sinned' when he was caught consorting with prostitutes. Beware of splinter religious zealots, particularly Americans. They are dangerous and cunning people. They solicit dontations from the vulnerable, (eg: lonely or depressed), by placing them on a guilt trip for their sins. Many of them are multi-millionaires so it's easy to see where the money is going. If they were at all religious, they would worry that God would smite them for involving him in their exploitations.

Dead right. The lachrymose Swaggart did his TV act in 1988 - for the full, toe-curling text, see http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/jswaggartapologysermon.html

Dead right. The lachrymose Swaggart did his TV act in 1988 - for the full, toe-curling text, see http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/jswaggartapologysermon.html
He isn't Billy Graham and some of those comments about Billy Graham could be libellous unless you have evidence to back them up

I was a police officer at that time and was put in charge of looking after Cliff's car.
He had tea and biscuits sent to the police room for the duty officers with a note thanking us for looking after him.
Nice bloke. :)

He isn't Billy Graham and some of those comments about Billy Graham could be libellous unless you have evidence to back them up

I agree Grahame - there is no way that you can compare Billy Graham with the likes of the Swaggarts and the Bakkers.

"Rabble rousing?" - if you actually heard B.G.'s talks they are far from rabble rousing - just a man giving a talk on the state of the world and how people, if they choose, can seek a way through.

At no time is anyone pressurised into giving money or gifts to the B.G. organisation - no 'prayer bags' - no 'touch the screen and be healed' type stuff which the aforementioned Swaggart used to raise his ill gotten gains.

Go and study the life of Billy Graham before you lump him in with the charlatans. Right wing he may be, but that's politics and nothing to do with his simple faith.

I'm sorry but you have to have lived amongst them on this side,B.G was always much more dangerous than the like's of bakker or the swaggarts as anyone with half a brain could tell they are pretty low life (Swaggart is back to preaching on his own show).B.G is lot more in to politics trying to shape goverment;s into his twisted way of thinking,those nuts are still trying to create a war so the battle on the plains of Ab can comence.I'm so glad to be an Atheist ,so its just me and a few sane friends.

I'm sorry but you have to have lived amongst them on this side,B.G was always much more dangerous than the like's of bakker or the swaggarts as anyone with half a brain could tell they are pretty low life (Swaggart is back to preaching on his own show).B.G is lot more in to politics trying to shape goverment;s into his twisted way of thinking,those nuts are still trying to create a war so the battle on the plains of Ab can comence.I'm so glad to be an Atheist ,so its just me and a few sane friends.
You are so wrong. Billy Graham is one of the most highly principled and upright people there is and your mention of politics makes me cringe when I think of the awful politicians and leaders there are around the world and you have the cheek to call him twisted! The standards by which you judge people appals me.

Billy Graham was number 7 on Gallup's list of most admired people for the 20th century. He has received the Congressional Gold Medal; the Templeton Foundation Prize for Progress in Religion; the Sylvanus Thayer Award for his commitment to "Duty, Honor, Country," and the Ronald Reagan Presidential Foundation Freedom Award for contributions to the cause of faith and freedom.

He has received the Big Brother of the Year Award for his work on behalf of the welfare of children. He has been cited by the George Washington Carver Memorial Institute for his contributions to race relations. He has also been recognized by the Anti-Defamation League of the B'nai B'rith and the National Conference of Christians and Jews for his efforts to foster a better understanding among all faiths.

For providing a platform during his events for many Christian musical artists — many new to singing and songwriting and others not so new — Billy Graham was inducted into the Gospel Music Hall of Fame in 1999 by the Gospel Music Association.

In December 2001 he was presented with an honorary knighthood, Honorary Knight Commander of the Order of the British Empire (KBE), for his international contributions to civic and religious life over 60 years.

In 1960, Prime Minister Golda Meir presented him with a Bible inscribed, "To a great teacher in all the important matters to humanity and a true friend of Israel." :)

He is one of this worlds peace makers and I only wish there were more like him.

Grahame I do respect your ideals,but in a slight shift in topic do you realy believe any muslim would complain about the use of Merry Christmas,your Lords prayer or any such phase,much much more probable these complaints came from the evangerlist south in order to create friction, does it never supprise you that all these problems become instant worldwide,as i tried to say iworked on the inside track,and gained my info from the inside,believe me all is not what it seems

Grahame I do respect your ideals,but in a slight shift in topic do you realy believe any muslim would complain about the use of Merry Christmas,your Lords prayer or any such phase,much much more probable these complaints came from the evangerlist south in order to create friction, does it never supprise you that all these problems become instant worldwide,as i tried to say iworked on the inside track,and gained my info from the inside,believe me all is not what it seems
First of all I think being a Christian as I am is being as much on the inside as it is possible to be and don’t forget I work and mix with people of all or no faith, this forum for example, so I think I can see both points of view whereas you only see it from your point of view which is from an atheistic angle so you only see it from one side?

I have only heard Muslims speak well of Christmas and I know some celebrate it as well. To be honest I’m not sure what you mean although knowing me I’m sure that in private debate I would put my point of view while at the same time I would expect them to put theirs.

To try and answer your question as I think you mean it, I would rather have harmony, but I find myself speaking out, which is against my nature, as I am deeply offended by some of the things that are said on here and I feel the need to put the record straight, perhaps this is what you find offensive about people in the south? But perhaps they are responding to things in society that offend them and you take it to mean they do it in order to cause friction? But perhaps you don't understand why they find abortion for example, which they see as murder, offensive and perhaps it needs a little more sensitivity and communication and with that, hopefully will come understanding? (I always was the optimist.)

I think I ask two things, one is that people get their facts right and secondly that non-Christians are not so aggressive towards those who are.

I hope I have answered your question but I’m not sure if I have?

In the days of the english civil war the bishop's where some of the most powerfull people on earth, the reason being not only could they talk directly to God but could also interpet his TRUE meaning,and didn't Sir oliver Cromwell say to these noble lords in the H.P "And pray think you gentleman you may be WRONG".In other words dont be so stuffed up with your own sense of self importance never to consider you may be wrong. words to live by

In the days of the english civil war the bishop's where some of the most powerfull people on earth, the reason being not only could they talk directly to God but could also interpet his TRUE meaning,and didn't Sir oliver Cromwell say to these noble lords in the H.P "And pray think you gentleman you may be WRONG".In other words dont be so stuffed up with your own sense of self importance never to consider you may be wrong. words to live by
OK flyer, I get your message and you may be right and I could be wrong, but just supposing I am mistaken, where is the problem in wanting to do the best for yourself and your family and just being there for other people, perhaps to help them achieve their full potential if that is what they want?

OK flyer, I get your message and you may be right and I could be wrong, but just supposing I am mistaken, where is the problem in wanting to do the best for yourself and your family and just being there for other people, perhaps to help them achieve their full potential if that is what they want?
nothing wrong in wanting to live a good life within any faith or belief as long as it doesn't extend to interferance with anothers ,As a athiest i try very to keep my views ,why i am to myself, also tried very hard to lead good life ,and at 73 feel i've helped many along the way,

nothing wrong in wanting to live a good life within any faith or belief as long as it doesn't extend to interferance with anothers ,As a athiest i try very to keep my views ,why i am to myself, also tried very hard to lead good life ,and at 73 feel i've helped many along the way,
Never a truer word spoken.

So on this New Years Eve, why is there so much aggression towards Christianity on this forum?

I actually went to see this, but in 1985, I was only 11 (so no idea why I was there).
I can only think, that I went because this might have been the only time that I was likely to see Bramall Lane full.

I was also there, as I suppose I have an open mind and I wanted to hear what Billy Graham had to say. In this forum we've heard from the Christian and the atheist side. As an agnostic I just want to live in peace with my fellow man and to try to improve the world we live in as much as I can. Obviously, one person can't achieve much on his/her own, but the important thing is to keep an open mind and to be a good listener.

The only two people I can remember were Cliff Richard and Big Daddy.

... so Jimmy Swaggart phones up Jim Bakker and says ''Jim, is it possible that prostitutes can be saved?''. Bakker says ''yes of course Jimmy''. So Swaggart says ''o.k. can you save me one for Saturday''.

... so Jimmy Swaggart phones up Jim Bakker and says ''Jim, is it possible that prostitutes can be saved?''. Bakker says ''yes of course Jimmy''. So Swaggart says ''o.k. can you save me one for Saturday''.
Saved means you don't score. :)