In 1950 Wednesday got promoted from the old Div.2 as runner-up and United were 3rd. ... both sides finished with 52 points.

BUT .... ...... the goal averages were so close that 1 goal more or less by either team and the positions would have been reversed.

Just 1 goal in it after 42 matches ... amazing.

Can anyone remember those days and the fans/emotions?
Newspaper reports.

I've been fascinated by this for a long time.

Rayd.

I don't really meet the criteria, but since no one else has responded I'll have a go.

I'm not quite old enough to remember the 1950 promotion season, but I went to virtually every home game at Hillsborough AND t'Lane from 1958 to 1962 (I'm a Wednesday fan, but I was so football crazy back then that I used to go and watch United on alternate weeks). They were both in the (old) first division most of the time in those days, although Wednesday were up and down more than United.

I remember getting Danny Blanchflower's autograph at Bramall Lane in the year Spurs did the double. United were the first team to beat Tottenham that season (1961) after they'd gone (I think) 17 games unbeaten. The ball boys used to earn their money at t'Lane in those days as the cricket pitch was still there alongside the football pitch (weird, when you think about it now).

I was only 9 when I started going, but my mum didn't mind me getting two buses right across town from Gleadless Valley to Hillsborough by myself. Times have certainly changed there, I suspect!

It was only one shilling (5p) for boys to get in at Hillsborough. They actually had a turnstile marked "Boys". By comparison, I took my teenage daughter to watch Wednesday two seasons ago and it cost her £17.50 to get in. I've got loads of other similar memories, but I won't go on, at the risk of boring the non-footy fans

[QUOTE]Originally posted by mojoworking
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I remember getting Danny Blanchflower's autograph at Bramall Lane in the year Spurs did the double. United were the first team to beat Tottenham that season (1961) after they'd gone (I think) 17 games unbeaten.



Wednesday were runners up to Spurs in that 1961 season.
Any other year and we would have been champions but the Spurs points total was a record for the old two points for a win years.

Andyman,

It was Wednesday that were the first team to beat Spurs in Spurs double winning season not United. It was on the 12 Nov at Hillsborough and it was Spurs 17th match of the season and Wednesday won 2-1. Will I ever forget it. That was the best Wednesday team that I have ever seen.
If I am not mistaken I don't even think that United were even in the old 1st Division that season.

Originally posted by Tofty
Andyman,

It was Wednesday that were the first team to beat Spurs in Spurs double winning season not United.

You're quite correct. It was the Owls who were the first team to beat Spurs in the 1960/61 season and they were runners up to Tottenham. United were promoted from the second division in the same season, so Wednesday and United were both in the (old) first division for the 1961/62 season, which is when the Blades played Spurs. I was obviously mixing up the seasons with my Danny Blanchflower anecdote. Apologies.

Here's the relevant info from the Spurs' website:

The long unbeaten run finally came to an end at Hillsborough when Sheffield Wednesday beat Spurs 2-1. It was a titanic end to end game that kept everyone on the edge of their seats. Reserve 'keeper Roy McLaren made the save of his life to deny Les Allen just before half-time. The ball was cleared upfield, Craig whipped the ball on and Griffin fired the ball past Bill Brown to put the Owls ahead. Two minutes later, Spurs were level after the referee overruled his linesman and awarded a free-kick to Spurs instead of a goal-kick to the Owls. Mackay took a quick free-kick and Norman outjumped everyone else to head the equaliser.

In 1950 Wednesday got promoted from the old Div.2 as runner-up and United were 3rd. ... both sides finished with 52 points.

BUT .... ...... the goal averages were so close that 1 goal more or less by either team and the positions would have been reversed.

Just 1 goal in it after 42 matches ... amazing.

Can anyone remember those days and the fans/emotions?
Newspaper reports.

I've been fascinated by this for a long time.

Rayd.

Wednesday played their last match in the 49-50 season after United had completed their programme, and the Owls drew 0-0 against the already promoted Spurs to pip the Blades by .008 of a goal! Spurs did everything but score that day (but some say they didn't try very hard!).
Mind you, Wednesday came straight back down in 50-51, then up again in 51-52. Yo-Yo team!

You're quite correct. It was the Owls who were the first team to beat Spurs in the 1960/61 season and they were runners up to Tottenham. United were promoted from the second division in the same season, so Wednesday and United were both in the (old) first division for the 1961/62 season, which is when the Blades played Spurs. I was obviously mixing up the seasons with my Danny Blanchflower anecdote. Apologies.

Here's the relevant info from the Spurs' website:

The long unbeaten run finally came to an end at Hillsborough when Sheffield Wednesday beat Spurs 2-1. It was a titanic end to end game that kept everyone on the edge of their seats. Reserve 'keeper Roy McLaren made the save of his life to deny Les Allen just before half-time. The ball was cleared upfield, Craig whipped the ball on and Griffin fired the ball past Bill Brown to put the Owls ahead. Two minutes later, Spurs were level after the referee overruled his linesman and awarded a free-kick to Spurs instead of a goal-kick to the Owls. Mackay took a quick free-kick and Norman outjumped everyone else to head the equaliser.

I was 13 at the time and stood at the Leppings Lane end. Those days you were let through and even passed down to the front if you were a kid. How those days have gone. One of the best games I remember and I can see Griffin's goal now!
Geoff

In 1950 Wednesday got promoted from the old Div.2 as runner-up and United were 3rd. ... both sides finished with 52 points.

BUT .... ...... the goal averages were so close that 1 goal more or less by either team and the positions would have been reversed.

Just 1 goal in it after 42 matches ... amazing.

Can anyone remember those days and the fans/emotions?
Newspaper reports.

I've been fascinated by this for a long time.

Rayd.

Spurs should have scored a crucial goal in this game but Les Bennett missed it - many claimed on purpose. In the 80's, Spurs were at the same hotel as me in Rotterdam and I asked Bill Nicholson about that game and claims about Bennett's miss. Not surprisingly, Nicholson would have none of it but it wouldn't have been the first mutally acceptable 0-0 draw.

What about when Manchester City did their level best to stay up in 1970 and the Owls couldn't help themselves and were relegated. City's performance, especially Doyle's missed penalty, was disgraceful. It was Wednesday or Palace so it was better to play two matches with 40,000 at each game in the North!

I was 13 at the time and stood at the Leppings Lane end. Those days you were let through and even passed down to the front if you were a kid. How those days have gone. One of the best games I remember and I can see Griffin's goal now!
Geoff

Another star in that game was goalkeeper, Roy McLaren, deputising for Ron Springett and he made a crucial match-winning save. The late John White was in the Spurs' side. That Tottenham team was outstanding and I think that is the best Wednesday team I have seen in 60 years.

Another star in that game was goalkeeper, Roy McLaren, deputising for Ron Springett and he made a crucial match-winning save. The late John White was in the Spurs' side. That Tottenham team was outstanding and I think that is the best Wednesday team I have seen in 60 years.

I totally agree Chairboy
Geoff

Spurs should have scored a crucial goal in this game but Les Bennett missed it - many claimed on purpose. In the 80's, Spurs were at the same hotel as me in Rotterdam and I asked Bill Nicholson about that game and claims about Bennett's miss. Not surprisingly, Nicholson would have none of it but it wouldn't have been the first mutally acceptable 0-0 draw.

What about when Manchester City did their level best to stay up in 1970 and the Owls couldn't help themselves and were relegated. City's performance, especially Doyle's missed penalty, was disgraceful. It was Wednesday or Palace so it was better to play two matches with 40,000 at each game in the North!

I don't think anybody told City sub Ian Bowyer what the general idea was when he came on !! Did he score 2 ?

My uncle told me a tale about the Wednesday chairman giving each Spurs player a hamper of Sheffield cutlery prior to that match.

I don't think anybody told City sub Ian Bowyer what the general idea was when he came on !! Did he score 2 ?

Yes, Bowyer came on as a sub and scored two goals. I agree, nobody had told him the script! When he scored it was embarrassing as he ran around with arms aloft and not one City player joined in the celebration.

My uncle told me a tale about the Wednesday chairman giving each Spurs player a hamper of Sheffield cutlery prior to that match.

A 'tale' I think it was. I've heard similar before but given Wednesday's dual reputation for 'frugality' and 'doing things by the book', I'm sure there's nothing in the rumour.
Indeed, all the players received for the promotion was a tankard from the club with the inscription "Thank for you promotion efforts - Division 2 runners-up 1949-50, Eric (Taylor) General Manager". The tankard was neither gold nor silver, required plenty of 'Duraglit' and was a token gesture by the club. The team finishing as "Champions" was awarded medals by the F.A.

Wednesday had lost 1-0 at Spurs earlier in the season but the side doing duty at Hillsborough in that final game was: - McIntosh, Kenny, Swift, Gannon, Packard, Witcomb, Rickett, Henry, McJarrow, Froggatt, Woodhead.

There were a lot of things that went on, even in the 1950s, that nobody ever knew about, but it cut both ways. If Wedy had the 'luck' in 1950, I think the 'luck' was with Chelsea the following year, 1951, when Wednesday beat Everton 6-0 in their final game but still went down, while Chelsea stayed up. Wednesday knew in advance that 6-0 would save them, or so they thought, but, in the final analysis, it wasn't Chelsea's last day result that saved them (I forget who they played), but, according to Eric Taylor (speaking years later), the fact that Fulham had let Chelsea beat them 4-0 the previous week (a result which was unexpected at that time --and Eric always felt there was something not quite right about how it happened).
As for the Man City game in 1970, it has often been said that, with City due to play a Cup Winners' Cup final a few days later, an injury to Mike Summerbee upset Joe Mercer, and (overlooking the fact that Summerbee had been as much to blame as anyone for the way he got injured) he raced to the touchline and signalled his team to go for the win --after they appeared to have been doing everything but want to win. After the game, EWT said "We were up against a team that played with their hands in their pockets...and still we couldn't win." Ian Bowyer, by the way, boasted about his two goals for City that night for years.
But, oh, the stories that never get written!

It was even an ex-Manchester City player, Tony Coleman, who replied for the Owls but too little, too late and deservedly so!

In 1950 Wednesday got promoted from the old Div.2 as runner-up and United were 3rd. ... both sides finished with 52 points.

BUT .... ...... the goal averages were so close that 1 goal more or less by either team and the positions would have been reversed.

Just 1 goal in it after 42 matches ... amazing.
Can anyone remember those days and the fans/emotions?
Newspaper reports.
I've been fascinated by this for a long time.
Rayd.

I don't want to put autographs on-line but I've looked at my late father's autograph book - they used to place their books in the visitors' dressing room - and if this was the Tottenham X1, the only surprise was that they were playing in Division 2?
Ted Ditchburn, Harry Clarke, Charlie Withers, Alf Ramsey, Bill Nicholson, Les Medley, Les Bennett, Ron Burgess, Eddie Baily, Sonny Walters and Len Duquemin.

Less of a surprise was that the following season, they became Division 1 champions.

Don't forget, Chairboy, that this Spurs team went on to win the old First Division title the following year (50-51), and it was the start of the great run under Arthur Rowe ahead of the Nicholson era that followed.

Don't forget, Chairboy, that this Spurs team went on to win the old First Division title the following year (50-51), and it was the start of the great run under Arthur Rowe ahead of the Nicholson era that followed.

No, I hadn't - see update - Rowe's team being famous for its "push and run" approach?

Is it possible that some-one could confirm a date when WED played at West Ham.I went to this match,which I think was Dec. 8th? 1951.I remember the match. I think Derek Dooley got 3 goals i the 2nd.half. My brother seems to think that Wed won 6-1 but that seems to good to be true.Would appreciate any help on the date.Many,many thanks..John

Is it possible that some-one could confirm a date when WED played at West Ham.I went to this match,which I think was Dec. 8th? 1951.I remember the match. I think Derek Dooley got 3 goals i the 2nd.half. My brother seems to think that Wed won 6-1 but that seems to good to be true.Would appreciate any help on the date.Many,many thanks..John

Dec 8 1951, Wednesday won 6-0 - Dooley 3, Froggatt 2 and Quixall - courtesy of Keith Farnsworth's book "A Complete Record".

Chairboy.Many thanks for the Westham v Wed date.This helps me with some notes I'm compiling. I dont know if the following events are outside the remit of this thread (please forgive me if they are and tell me off).It's concerning a match that Sheff.United v Stoke city played in the war years,say 1942,3,4.It was a war time Cup tie. When I arrived on John St. at 2pm that day,the police had cordoned the area off. Stanley Matthews was playing for Stoke and had caused record attendance.I found myself (as a young thin lad) slowly being crushed to death up against the fence, which really was a big advertising hoarding..Then the Mounties charged through the middle of John St. crowd with the effect of forcing us against the hoarding which couldnt withstand the pressure and collapsed inwards!!!.,and we all ran into the ground.It was estimated later on that 10,000 of us got in that way.Once again I forget the result, only interestd in seeing Stanley Matthews.

Jan 28th 1946 FA Cup Rd 4 (second leg, at B Lane) Sheffield United 3 Stoke City 2, attendance 50,809. Colin Collindridge got all three United goals! United had lost 0-2 in first leg.
Note that Wednesday also met Stoke in FAC Rd 5 (it was two legs, and this was second leg, at Hillsboro') Feb 11 1946 and drew 0-0 in front of 62,728. Wedy had lost 0-2 in first leg.
The Sheffield club were well and truly stoked up that year!

[I]REDFYRE. Thanks for the info.,very intersting.But without appearing ungracious I do think the match I'd got in mind took place in the WARTIME say 1942-1944 ,as I started work at 14 in 1942 and my boss sai d youve only been here a 'few minutes and you want time off a football match. If you go dont come back'. I went! but he relented with a warning!. Thanks, John.

You could be thinking of a LCN SF in April 44 when United met Aston Villa twice --at Villa losing 2-3 and drawing 2-2 in return game at Lane (Apr 22 --Att 48,483). Can't spot any meeting with Stoke in actual war years until 46.

Thanks Redfyre.This is a puzzler. Ive just rememberd a further point to mention which may eliminate some records. i.e. The match was on a Weekday afternoon, cos I should have been at work.I,ll drop the quuery for now as Ive already taken too much of your time up. Thanks once again for all your efforts and interest. John.[/I]

The FAC game v Stoke at the Lane in 46 was on a Monday, the first leg having been played two days earlier on the Sat.
The Viklla games in 1944 were on successive Saturdays.
Off the top can see only one Wed (the day) game-- in May 45 v Sheff Wedy (this ws a League North & Ciounty Cup final --United lost 1-3).
Memory can play tricks. I could tell you lots of tales of how I "remembered as if it were yesterday" something from when I was a kid, then later, when I got some records showing all the games, I found I'd got it just slightly wrong.
Mind you, nowadays my memory more often than not refuses to function anyway, and I can only be grateful for books with dates and facts in!

R EDFYRE,Apologies for querying your info in the 1st. place.I think you were right in saying that Jan.28th.1946 was the match I attended. You raised a very valid point in sayingthat memories play tricks (Ive took some convincing on this one! Sorry. Can I ask you another question. I believe in the wartime the country was split int 2 zones,North and South,each with its own league i.e. a northern couldnt play a southern team. Assuming this is correct did this apply to Cup matches. If so,when did the F.A. Cup resume Nationally, bearing in mind that the war only really finished in Sept 1945. Cheers.John

The FA Cup 1938–39 was the 64th staging of the world's oldest football cup competition, the Football Association Challenge Cup, commonly known as the FA Cup. Portsmouth won the competition for the first time, beating Wolverhampton Wanderers 4–1 in the final at Wembley. As this was the last full FA Cup competition before the Second World War, Portsmouth held the trophy until the end of the 1945-46 season when Derby County beat Charlton 4-1 a.e.t. after the competition resumed.

Thanks Chairboy, for the F.A.cup info. I can see how it all fits in now.I appreciate your time and efforts. BYE. JOHN[/B]

Matches did take place during the war when players had other tasks. My dad was at Hillsborough but his other work (Home Guard) meant he stayed here and was able to keep playing. They played clubs like Bradford P.A. and other clubs in the region etc. but records were rarely kept for wartime games.
My gran saved his first professional pay packet (£5) I believe, when full-time football resumed. I was given it in the original envelope on my 21st birthday (although the note had had to be up-dated - think the original 'Fivers' were white?) and not wanting to waste it, bought £5 of Premium Bonds. On the very August day in 1977 when Boycott scored his 100th First-Class century, I got back from Leeds to find it had won me a £50 pay out!

In 1950 Wednesday got promoted from the old Div.2 as runner-up and United were 3rd. ... both sides finished with 52 points.

BUT .... ...... the goal averages were so close that 1 goal more or less by either team and the positions would have been reversed.

Just 1 goal in it after 42 matches ... amazing.

Can anyone remember those days and the fans/emotions?
Newspaper reports.

I've been fascinated by this for a long time.

Rayd.
it was .008 of a goal if i remember right

.008 of a goal...exactly!
Re wartime records. If you look at Sheffield Wednesday: A Complete Record, it contains details, matches, scores, scorers and line-ups of all the Owls' wartime games. There is a similar book for United. Also Jack Rllin did a good book called Football At Warm which lists apps at all clubs during war --a time when players who were in the Armed Services played for the nearest club. Thus Aldershot, the army town, had a wonderful team of internationals...and it was in this Aldershot team that Jimmy Hagan was transformed from a notable United man into a "star" --some say he came back rather more self-important than he went! But, then, he was pretty good.
As Chairboy has confirmed, 'normal' football was suspended at the outbreak of war, and regional wartime leagues were organised, with supplementary cup matches. The FA Cup restarted in 1945-6, the Football League in 1946-47.
By the way the Blades won the League North wartime title in 1945-6...a grand set of mainly local lads. In 46-7 they beat Stoke in the last match (on June the 14th, yes June!) to prevent Stoke winning the title and letting Liverpool pip the boys from the Potteries.

Thanks Redfyre for that. Don't know where I've been with those war-game records! Just had a quick browse and can see why my dad often mentioned Jackie Thompson - I later knew him from Shiregreen CC.
I also see a Massarella but need more details please? the name is no stranger but never thought too much about the following link.
The boss of Pontefract racecourse, Norman Gundill is married to a Massarella who always chats to me when she sees my enthusiasm for ice-cream. I know of Ronnie, from the catering firm and show jumping. Was it Ronnie who played for the Owls during the war? Or, is Mrs Gundill the daughter of that Wednesday player please? I must speak further to her about this. She'll be amazed at the tie-up.

Thanks for interesting details. I can relate to these years. I well remember Jimmy Hagan being sent off. He was at at that timethe most outstanding player in the team, and the crowd couldnt accept that a ref. had the right to do this!.A near riot ensued and the crowd were murderous. When the match finished I left on a John St. exit with my 2 very young sons,only to find Iwas in the middlle of very serious lynch mob. They said they were going to kill the ref. I tried to keep clear but couldnt. In a few minutes later the Mounties surrounded us and drove us like cattle out of John St.,up Bramall Lane onto a bomb site on the Moor. We were searched and released one at a time to go home.

Chairboy, the Massarella was Leonard. He was of the ice cream family, joined Wedy from Denaby and retired around 1945, a winger. The Jackie Thompson who excelled for the Owls (I met him a few times in later years, he lived near Hillsborough Park) was not the same man as the one who played for Shiregreen and captained them. The cricketer was someone I knew fairly well, and, indeed, he and Norman Jackson had me roped in as a vice president at Shiregreen for some years. This Jackie was thick-set, a Sheffield lad, a superb batsman; and his job was with a firm of printer's called Melling on Zion Lane. I helped pen a brief history of Shiregreen many years ago, and Jack came to our house in that context. The footballer may have played some cricket, but, of course, he was from the North East, and was pal of Jackie Robinson and Frank Melling (no relation to the printer mentioned earlier). He also played for Doncaster and Chesterfield, and worked at Stocksbridge I think until he retired.
John G. I was at the game when Hagan was sent off. It is a long time ago, but I think United were already winning 7-1. Hagan got fed up with a bloke called Lucas in the Swansea team who never stopped hacking our hero from behind every time Jimmy had the ball. Jimmy did have a short fuse at times! I had forgotten about any lynch mob, but I know Jimmy was severely censured by the FA.

Thanks Redfyre. So I'm summising that Leonard was the father of Mrs Gundill and she will be the sister of Ronnie?
Thanks for putting my right on the Thompsons. Jackie at Shiregreen had a son called Brian - I played with son in the U18s?
Knew Norman Jackson and Ivor Seemley there and later knew Frank Melling at United nets.
On another thread re-snow, I mentioned two games abandoned because of snow. I was at the game at Highbury but there was one against Southampton at Hillsborough when Danny B was commentating for YTV. Do you have the date please? Not in the Bible (though understand why)!
Just sent an e-mail to Andy McCulloch to tell him about the reported death of forummer Albert T Smith. Albert was very appreciative of the work Andy did for the Hallam Muscular Dystrophy Group. Cheers.

I was at the League game at Highbury when it was abandoned, on the day Wilson was making his debut in goal I think, but off hand I am vague re the 1979 FA Cup marathon and how the weather affected the games. It's in one of the books.
Re the Southampton match, I may have the info in one of my old handwritten record books, but most of these have either been packed away or lost. As you say the published books only give the matches played. I suppose it being a Danny Blanchflower commentary, you can nearly date it, but sorry I can't help. One of the young lads who did a book on 100 years of Hillsborough may have listed the ppd matches, I don't know.

Yes it was the Wilson debut I was at. 1-0 down just after half-time when it came down heavily. I was in the top tier of the East Stand. 1979, no problem. Danny B - dates it (my thoughts). I seem to recall it about the time of the cushion tirade from the North Stand? It's not important but I'd make a note of it. "Perhaps the referee has gone to get a pair of skis", said Dan at the Saints' game as the ref fled down the tunnel.

Hi Redfyre .Amazing you were at the Hagan match. In your last post you mentioned Jackie Thompson. I rember a Jackie Thompson playing for Wed, about same time as Jackie Robinson.(Inside right?) Now to move on a bit I,m interested in reading about Derek Dooley.Do you know where I can find anything such as biography, records, how many games he played and goals scored etc. I was in the R.A.F. during this time and missed all this,except for one unforgettable memory.This was on Dec.8th.1951 .West Ham v Wed.,which I was able to attend. Wed 6-West Ham 0. Dooley 3,Frogatt 2,Quixall 1. These details were kindly supplied by you a few days ago. In closing I would like to say how much I appreciate your help,information etc.that you and your colleagues have given me as a new member. John.

Hi JG - You may find this publication worth buying?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dooley-Autobiography-Soccer-Legend-Derek/dp/1874718598/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1198669924&sr=1-1

This Amazon link doesn't appear to be much good. Mine was a present but I wouldn't think it would cost £21.
I'd try Waterstones in town. I think you will enjoy it. I knew the Wednesday part of the story but found his time at Bramall Lane more of an insight.
Dipping into KF's "Bible", Dooley's League/Cup stat is 63 appearances, 63 goals.

Thanks again Chairboy. Just the info I wanted.Now for another puzzler.Round about 1978,I accompanied my son to Wednesday,s ground for training session. I,m not sure of his age then,say 13, give or take a year or two. This took place under the stand in some kind of a Gym. Afterwards we were given seats in the stand, to watch Wed. v Shrewsbury. It's the Shresbury bit that's puzzling me.To me Shrewsbury is a relatively unknown team (no offence intended to Shrewsbury fans). Were they in the same league as Wed. at this time or was this a friendly match.?. Cheers John.

Thanks again Chairboy. Just the info I wanted.Now for another puzzler.Round about 1978,I accompanied my son to Wednesday,s ground for training session. I,m not sure of his age then,say 13, give or take a year or two. This took place under the stand in some kind of a Gym. Afterwards we were given seats in the stand, to watch Wed. v Shrewsbury. It's the Shrewsbury bit that's puzzling me.To me Shrewsbury is a relatively unknown team (no offence intended to Shrewsbury fans). Were they in the same league as Wed. at this time or was this a friendly match.?. Cheers John.

No, it would be a DIVISION 2 match. Wednesday played Shrewsbury for four consecutive seasons from 75-76 to 78-79 inc.
My first memory of Shrewsbury was in 1963 when the Owls drew at Gay Meadow before winning the 3rd rd replay at Hillsborough. This was the bad winter of 1963 and it was into March before this tie was settled. I also recall Ted Hemsley being with The Shrews at that time.

Chairboy. Thanks, have been wondering about this for years. You mention 1963, this is also a year I will never forget. My 3rd. son was born on 3rd. FEb '63 so is 46 today .The snow storm on this day was so bad,I left work, say 3pm. and arrived at Nether Edge hospital 5 hours later( a distance of 4 miles ),well after visiting time had finished. But after a lot of arguments they let me in, only to be faced with my wife screaming at me for being late,not knowing about the weather!.Most people will say 1963 was the worst but 1947 beats this easily. I was on R.A.F. crash crew at the time and have some very unpleasant memories of this. My questions have dried up now so I'll leave you in peace now. Bye . John.

Chairboy. Thanks, have been wondering about this for years. You mention 1963, this is also a year I will never forget. My 3rd. son was born on 3rd. FEb '63 so is 46 today .The snow storm on this day was so bad,I left work, say 3pm. and arrived at Nether Edge hospital 5 hours later( a distance of 4 miles ),well after visiting time had finished. But after a lot of arguments they let me in, only to be faced with my wife screaming at me for being late,not knowing about the weather!.Most people will say 1963 was the worst but 1947 beats this easily. I was on R.A.F. crash crew at the time and have some very unpleasant memories of this. My questions have dried up now so I'll leave you in peace now. Bye . John.

I can't speak for 1947 other than to tell you that Charlton won the FA Cup for the one and only time.

I can't speak for 1947 other than to tell you that Charlton won the FA Cup for the one and only time.

Hi Chairboy. Both you and Redfire mentioned Norman Jackson. I knew Norman after his football days, I think he was also a rep for an Industrial Supplies company in Darnall. If this is the same guy, do you have an update on him please?
Geoff

Hi Chairboy. Both you and Redfire mentioned Norman Jackson. I knew Norman after his football days, I think he was also a rep for an Industrial Supplies company in Darnall. If this is the same guy, do you have an update on him please?
Geoff

Sorry Geoff, I can't help you. I played cricket with him pre-1966 and haven't seen him since though we could have been at a ex-player's funeral without realising. He had a good of wavey hair but it's over 40 years ago! Redfyre had more recent links with Shiregreen CC?

Hi Chairboy. That's him. A real Gent. Was he a full back at Wednesday? If so I would imagine in the Ron Staniforth mould.
Geoff