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Buster and his owner were out walking when a stranger approached them.
He broke Buster's owner's arm and kicked Buster viciously.
Buster then bit the stranger and is being detained by police waiting to be put down.
This is horrific, it was not only self defence but he was protecting his owner.
Please sign this petition (http://gopetition.com/online/7295.html) to save Buster!
spyro2000 12-10-2005, 13:52 Have you got a link to the story on this? Id like to know the full story on what happened exactly, before having an opinion on wether he should be put down or not.
Cheers.
Sorry Spyro,
this (http://www.dogweb.co.uk/talkdogs/petition-for-buster_20746.html?page=1&pp=15) is all I have.
Not a lot, I know - but hopefully you can get an insight into it...
spyro2000 12-10-2005, 13:59 Thanks Lotti.
If it was a case of the dogs owner being attacked and the dog trying to help the owner then I see no reason to have the dog put down, thats just wrong.
If the facts are as clear cut as they sound, I cant understand why they are even considering putting the dog to sleep.
I would hope my dogs would do exactly the same if me of my better half were attacked.
Jimbob1989 12-10-2005, 14:44 Petition Signed :)
Originally posted by Jimbob1989
Petition Signed :)
Ditto
Originally posted by floyd77
If the facts are as clear cut as they sound, I cant understand why they are even considering putting the dog to sleep.
I would hope my dogs would do exactly the same if me of my better half were attacked.
This dog defended his owner in just the same way but unfortunately didn't survive :(
Bolo (http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13449420,00.html)
daverity 12-10-2005, 14:59 Lotti, are you perhaps a member of this dog forum, if so could you try and get more details out of the owner? Somebody asked him if the other guy had been charged with something as well but he replied Nope....they didnt bother with him.said they can charge 1 person only
Doesn't quite sound right that because the Police can charge as many people as they want, if a situation warrants it (I'm sure that there must be a forum cop that can confirm this).If he's seriously looking at getting wholesale support about this matter, he needs to supply more information such as about the court case etc. The story just seems a little bit selective at the moment. If we knew the police force involved for instance, they could be lobbied for more details....there are a lot of dog lovers here in the UK and if they all made enough noise then it might make a difference but ALL the facts would be a big help :thumbsup:
EDIT:Noticed Lotti that you are a member:)
roughy101 12-10-2005, 15:33 signed sealed and delivered:clap:
cgksheff 12-10-2005, 15:41 Here is more background:
http://www.pureangels.co.uk/_sgt/mr_1.htm
"Here's the story of what happened on the day in question...It has been copied exactly in his owners own words...
I was walking buster on a lead behind my house and as I had finished walking him I turned around to walk back home, and on the way back ran into a guy that made some abusive gestures and comments towards me. He approached me and started to headbut me, as this happend he told me to move my dog or he would kick it, and at that point grabbed hold of both of my arms and then proceeded to kick poor Buster twice, possibly 3 times. He had hold of both of my arms and we were moving about,the lead was in my left arm and as the guy was pulling both my arms and twisting the right arm buster pulled back as he had been kicked and was scared. He managed to get free off his collar and went for the guy, during this process buster bit me and the guy, and the guy let go of my arm and then buster was going for him cos the guy had kicked him and attacked me, I shouted out for him to get off the guy. He carried on for a moment but when I told the guy to keep still ,which the guy obliged to...Buster let go of him immediately. Now the police have charged me with 3 charges for the incident, and Buster has been taken by the police. During the attack from this guy my arm was broken. I feel that Buster was being a loyal dog, protecting his owner from harm and also defending himself."
Thanks for that cgksheff!
Sorry I couldn't provide more info - have been at work all day!
I must admit, had the same worries as you at first daverity re.not much history!
Thanks to everyone who signed - I hope it worked!
I would hope that my dog (not at the moment -she's a 3 month old pup) could at least scare someone off, but could protect me if necessary.
Not so sure about it now, don't know if I'd rather get badly attacked and have my dog stand by and watch just in case she protects me and is pts for it :(
ps. read story about Bolo - it's sad times
*Twinkle* 12-10-2005, 15:54 Signed :clap: :clap: :clap:
It would be interesting to know if the scumbag who originally attacked Buster and his owner has had any charges filed against him. Surely one of the things one has a dog for is to protect one's person and property against attackers?
Berberis 12-10-2005, 15:59 Signed !
So, what if you get bitten by a police dog and you are innocent of any crime? Do they put them down too? I bet they bloody well don’t!
Originally posted by joyphil
It would be interesting to know if the scumbag who originally attacked Buster and his owner has had any charges filed against him. Surely one of the things one has a dog for is to protect one's person and property against attackers?
Buster's owner says not.
:(
Jimbob1989 12-10-2005, 16:17 :o Thats strange, has he not commited assult, and is the dog attacking in self defence not a seperate matter :confused:
daverity 12-10-2005, 16:35 Lotti the reason I asked about further details is two-fold. Firstly it might be, to put it bluntly, that Buster's owner is being 'economical with the truth' and there are mitigating circumstances why the court wants to destroy the dog.If that were the case we could all end up with egg on our faces.
The other reason may be, the poor owner while trying to do something isn't doing it in the best way possible. They may for instance not be good at writing and because of that what could be a genuine injustice could go unreported. If it is the latter, it would be great if this could be promoted more, posted on forums all over (apologies MOD) and the decision overturned. There are millions of dog owners in this country but the web multiplies that influence worldwide and that could make a big difference. Of course before it could do that people will have to know all the facts. :)
Signed.....:thumbsup: Dont you just love the great british justice system :rant:
beautynbeast 12-10-2005, 16:41 done and sent it to just about everyone i know x
kneetrembler 12-10-2005, 20:25 signed.........................:thumbsup:
glitterbug 12-10-2005, 20:42 Signed it and sent it. Hope Buster gets a reprieve, dog loves man, just doing nature stuff!!!
mikeyspikey 12-10-2005, 20:52 signed it Lotti!--youre a lovely caring person!:)
hope busters ok!
Cliff Clavin 12-10-2005, 20:53 I've signed the pettion, all this action demonstrates to me is how mental our justice system is becomming, were the criminal as more protection from the Law than the victim.
What is happening to our society, at this rate the masses are going to lose faith in justice. Alot of people already have.
'Done and dusted':thumbsup:
Thanks all!
(Thanks Mikey for kind message)
Daverity - yes I agree. I would love to be able to find out some facts that could help to increase awareness. I'm going to speak to the RSPCA. See if they know anything about the case and if there's anything they can do with them being such a big organisation, though I'm not sure there is..
Sadly, the justice system does seem to be failing. I suppose it's for another thread though really!
Thanks everyone for trying to help. I will speak with Buster's owner and see if I can get any more facts to help him out.
Lottie xx
............signed............
I've signed the petition too.
I fail to see why, a dog who is protecting himself and his owner from what appears to be an unprovoked attack, is taken from his owner and could be put to sleep. :loopy:
And surely the person who attacked the owner and the dog should be charged??
youwhatref 13-10-2005, 06:12 Signed also.
I'd also hope my pooch would do the same and would love him even more for doing it. If my dog was put down then rthey'd be hell to play with this guy and i'd be on a mission.
I am a little puzzled as to why all this is happening though, surely the police have the facts as we see them and it's clear cut it was self-defence. I can only guess the attacker has given a different story.
Jimbob1989 13-10-2005, 06:23 206 signatures so far, keep them coming people. I know some haev even emailed a link to the petition to family and friends.
GothicCharm 13-10-2005, 06:30 I signed it yesterday and have been emailing the link to people
Craig7777 13-10-2005, 06:59 Signed It " Free Deirdre....err I mean Buster"
Birth-Peace 13-10-2005, 08:07 Signed it. Will you let us know what happens Lotti? x
of course Olliekitten!
I have asked Buster's owner to keep me up to date.
Originally posted by Avalon
Ditto
Ditto! :thumbsup:
playing devils advocate.
It's ok everyone saying the dog was defending the guy but I think your trying to give an animal human intelligence and even feelings.
What if they let the dog live and 6 months from now the guys playing with his kids, the dog interprets that as an attack and savages the kid, then what ?
cgksheff 13-10-2005, 12:29 Originally posted by youwhatref
I am a little puzzled as to why all this is happening though, surely the police have the facts as we see them and it's clear cut it was self-defence. I can only guess the attacker has given a different story.
I am afraid that it is far from "clear cut".
We are taking it on trust that the limited version of events given to us by Buster's owner (who has not identified himself) are the the whole picture.
The police are presumably accepting another version of events given to them by the other person.
In the absence of 3rd party witnesses, the police do have evidence of:
- a dog biting two people (he also bit the owner),
- wounds (which the owner implies are serious) to the arms of the other person
- and the owners broken arm.
Regardless of what we would like to believe, the police see a situation that has a dog appearing to be out of control and biting someone and a person claiming that the dog was set upon him.
It will be a crying shame if a dog has to suffer yet again as a result of human failure.
Originally posted by nick2
playing devils advocate.
It's ok everyone saying the dog was defending the guy but I think your trying to give an animal human intelligence and even feelings.
What if they let the dog live and 6 months from now the guys playing with his kids, the dog interprets that as an attack and savages the kid, then what ?
While I see your point Nick, most dogs do have the understanding to know different situations.
Most dogs can tell if someone is ill or frail, that they need to be careful around them, most dogs can tell if someone is too young or old to play rough...
Most dogs can tell when they need to protect their owner. Granted - some dogs get very territorial and if someone goes to even shake hands, will attack.
In this case, perhaps you're right, but in MOST cases - dogs may not have human intelligence and they do not have the ability to rationalise, but they can generally tell when they are needed and will always remain loyal to their owner.
According to the version of events we have, the dog only attacked after seeing the guy with both of his hands holding his owner, and after being kicked THREE times.
cgksheff, I am going to try and find out more about this so that we can maybe have a better case presented, however, thankyou everyone who's signed so far.
Unfortunately ignorance takes a big place with things like this, the dog was a large dog (dogue de bordeaux, related to bull mastiff) and one that is generally recognised as 'dangerous' - not on dangerous dogs act, just looks dangerous to some people. It would have probably been a similar case had it been a staffie, rottweiler, doberman etc. however, if it had been a chihuahua (which can be nasty!) or a Cavalier King Charles Spaniel, or even a poodle, it probably would have not got the same attention from the police, being as they are not recognised as 'dangerous dogs'. This is sad because the larger dogs mentioned are generally of a wonderful temperament and seem to know how to behave when.
that's my opinion anyway!
I will try to find out more for you!
Duly signed, best of luck to Buster.
Signed and supported (i think i was 249).
Bloody criminals these days they have got some cheek:rant:
Signed Lotti.
Can't believe anyone would be so stupid as to put a dog down for defending its owner from an attacker. That's one of the reasons that a lot of people - especially women and older people - feel more secure when they've got a dog.
:loopy:
Cliff Clavin 13-10-2005, 17:34 Originally posted by nick2
playing devils advocate.
It's ok everyone saying the dog was defending the guy but I think your trying to give an animal human intelligence and even feelings.
What if they let the dog live and 6 months from now the guys playing with his kids, the dog interprets that as an attack and savages the kid, then what ?
Great reply, even though I still feel the dog deserves his chance.
Why? because how as a society can we justify letting Peadophiles, Murderers and Rapists out of prison again, when statistics show that some of them do reoffend, even after their supposedly rehabillitation.
Now all this dog did was to defend one of its family, an act that is permitted by Law. So surely the dog as done nothing wrong as it was acting within the boundaries of the Law, that is defending its owner and itself after first being attacked. Now I can only give this reply as that is all the evidence I have had on the subject. So in my eyes the dog is totally innocent.
As for Inteligence a dog is supposed to have that of a 6 year childs standard, now some dogs with special training have even more inteligence. As for feelings I believe Animals have as much of thoughs as us Humans, I know my dogs are always emmotional to see me when i've left them for a while.
michael_v2 13-10-2005, 17:59 have signed it. hope it works :thumbsup:
meumeu77 13-10-2005, 18:23 have signed it and passed it on. Hope Buster is ok.
just found out this will go on til january - so no news as yet.
still trying to find out more details from buster's owner.
thanks all for helping.
GothicCharm 14-10-2005, 05:50 Originally posted by nick2
playing devils advocate.
It's ok everyone saying the dog was defending the guy but I think your trying to give an animal human intelligence and even feelings.
What if they let the dog live and 6 months from now the guys playing with his kids, the dog interprets that as an attack and savages the kid, then what ?
I see your point. But, I think Lottie said that the dog was kicked three times. I would expect to be bitten just kicking it the once, or hitting the owner, three times and you can guarantee it.
It's like humans, if someone hits you, you either strike back or walk away, but if someone hits you over and over, I don't know about you lot, but I'd hit them back.
spyro2000 14-10-2005, 07:22 Originally posted by FilthFan
I see your point. But, I think Lottie said that the dog was kicked three times. I would expect to be bitten just kicking it the once, or hitting the owner, three times and you can guarantee it.
It's like humans, if someone hits you, you either strike back or walk away, but if someone hits you over and over, I don't know about you lot, but I'd hit them back.
But thats the thing. Its what the owner 'said', doesnt mean that is what happened. These are not official reports, so I still dont think its right signing a petition for something we know nothing about, but yes it is wrong if it is correct about what happened.
Originally posted by spyro2000
But thats the thing. Its what the owner 'said', doesnt mean that is what happened. These are not official reports, so I still dont think its right signing a petition for something we know nothing about, but yes it is wrong if it is correct about what happened.
Spyro is right (as is filthfan)
I am currently trying to find an official report on it.
However, the way I see it is their lawyer will be given the petition, if the version of events on the petition isn't how it happened, the police will disregard it anyway.
If it is, however, then the police can think 'hang on. all these people think it's wrong'.
Hopefully ;)
Jimbob1989 14-10-2005, 10:47 Good work Lotti, I'm sure Buster will be greatfull if it saves his life.
Originally posted by Jimbob1989
Good work Lotti, I'm sure Buster will be greatfull if it saves his life.
LOL - I know I would be!
thanks Joan :thumbsup:
Buster's owner says that the police won't tell him anything apart from that Buster is in the kennels and he's ok.
I think he's been to see him today so will update asap.
I'VE SIGNED IT AND FORWARDED PETITION TO MANY OF MY CLOSE PERSONAL FRIENDS, SO LET'S HOPE THEY RELEASE BUSTER. ANIMALS ARE BETTER THAN HUMANS ANYWAYS...
Jimbob1989 17-10-2005, 07:03 Approximately how many signatures are required for it to be taken seriously? does anyone know?
Craig7777 09-12-2005, 08:10 anyone know what happend with this?:confused:
Berberis 09-12-2005, 08:35 Originally posted by Lotti
then the police can think 'hang on. all these people think it's wrong'.
Hopefully ;)
I wouldn't bank on it!
Hi Guys, thought I would join just to let you know that Busters owner appeared in court on thursday and the judge decided to let Buster return home to Jay :clap: :banana: :clap:
He has to be muzzled in public and on a leash but at least hes home safe and sound..thanks to all that signed the petition, I know Jay is over the moon :thumbsup:
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