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MysTique
05-08-2005, 20:53
A recent thread on here, about the Marples bombing, prompted me to look into my family history - a daunting and mindblowing task if there ever was one. :help:

Anyway, apparently my grandad Harry Turton had his own cutlery firm named Dearden & Richmond. AFAIK it started off on Watery Lane around 1929, nothing listed during the war years, and reappeared in Enterprise Works St Mary's Road in 1948.
He died in 1959 and the firm was sold a year later.

Unfortunately my grandma suffered from Alzheimers during her latter years and threw out all documents relating to family history, so I really am starting from scratch.

All the trade directories I've found online only go up to 1911, no later, so I realise I probably need to go to the Local History section at the library - 2 kids + school holidays + hours researching = not a match made in heaven, so will have to wait for now. :wink:

If anyone has any information on Enterprise Works, the company in question, or the cutlery trade in general I'd be very interested to hear.

Many thanks M x

MysTique
05-08-2005, 20:57
Apologies - forgot to add -

If any lovely forerummers ( creep creep ) indeed lovely lurkers happen to browse any junk/antique shops etc and come across cutlery marked Dearden & Richmond, I'd love to get hold of a piece or 2!

I know, I know, long shot but them that don't ask don't get. :heyhey:

retep
05-08-2005, 21:53
1948 Kellys just confirms your info.
H. Turton proprietor Dearden & Richmond Enterprise Works, St. Mary's Rd

Strix
05-08-2005, 22:24
There's a shop on Ecclesall Road (http://www.madeinsheffield.com/list_items.asp?DepartmentName=Book_Shop&ProductType=Knife_Books) that may be able to help :thumbsup:

MysTique
05-08-2005, 23:05
Originally posted by retep
1948 Kellys just confirms your info.
H. Turton proprietor Dearden & Richmond Enterprise Works, St. Mary's Rd

Thank you for that retep - I appreciate you looking it up. Incidentally, do you know how often the directories are published?

Originally posted by Strix
There's a shop on Ecclesall Road that may be able to help

Useful link thanks strix. I've had a good look and it seems the products they sell are newly made, but the Sheffield Knife Book looks very interesting!

As you can tell, I'm pretty new to all this so am very grateful for the help. :thumbsup:

Strix
06-08-2005, 00:51
there's a cabinet of old ones in the shop :thumbsup:

retep
06-08-2005, 08:06
Thank you for that retep - I appreciate you looking it up. Incidentally, do you know how often the directories are published?

as far as i know yearly

hutch
06-08-2005, 09:31
The firm was listed in the 1927 Kellys, Harry Dearden Turton lived 95 Forres St Crookes, The directorys ran up to aprox 1974 the earlier directories were called Whites I have one 1876.

MysTique
06-08-2005, 10:26
Thank you ALL for your responses!

Originally posted by Strix
there's a cabinet of old ones in the shop
Do you mean cutlery or books? :suspect: :D It would be nice to walk into the shop and find a canteen of cutlery made by my grandad! As he wasn't one of the large manufacturers I don't even know whether there's still any out there - but the hunt will go on.
Ah - do you mean Don Alexander on Ecclesall Rd? Hadn't thought of that. I'll look in today.

Originally posted by hutch
The firm was listed in the 1927 Kellys
That's interesting hutch - it means he started out earlier than I thought. I presume that was at the Watery Lane site?

Does anyone know when Enterprise Works was demolished?

Strix
06-08-2005, 11:13
Sorry. I meant cutlery.

And yes - it's Don Alexander :thumbsup:

lazarus
06-08-2005, 17:57
Originally posted by retep
1948 Kellys just confirms your info.
H. Turton proprietor Dearden & Richmond Enterprise Works, St. Mary's Rd
I once worked in the Enterprise Works for a chap called Hayes.
Its full address was 66 St Marys Road, it was knocked down years ago . It was where Pee Bees sandwich shop is on Shoreham is.The exact place is just past the sandwich shop and where the grassed area is as you turn to go up St Marys Rd thats where it was.
The place itself was full of little mesters (not Small men ) who worked for themselves, thats just what the man I worked for did. I used to polish garden trowels, spades, hoes and also hand guards for claymore swords.
There is a book written by a man called Herbert Housley who with his father and brothers had several premises around the city and one was in the Enterprise Works. In his book BACK TO THE GRINDSTONE on page 102 there is a photo of the works and a chapter on when Herbert worked there. The book can be bought at Sheffield Scene on Surrey St.

Hope this helps.

lazarus
06-08-2005, 18:38
If its the same Deardens, They moved down to Liverpool St at Attercliffe, I also worked there 37 years ago for about a week.

MysTique
06-08-2005, 23:23
Hello lazarus, yes that helps a great deal! It fits in with what my mum said, that he worked on his own (we don't know where the Richmond came from) in a workshop which she seems to remember you had to go up some outside stairs to get to. Were there many firms within Enterprise Works?
I will certainly look out for the Back to the Grindstone book.

I'm not sure what happened to the firm after my grandad died in 1959 - we believe it was sold the following year, but whether the new owner kept the name and moved on I've yet to find out.

Strix - you were right about Don Alexander, they've a large selection of cutlery displayed in the shop. I had a good chat with the owner who was very helpful and dug out the 1954 Kelly's directory in which the firm was still listed. He also looked up hallmarks and trademarks but we didn't find D&R.
He did advise that the flatware still in circulation is mainly the big names - Wolstenholme, Rogers etc and that I'm probably unlikely to find something my grandad made, if so it would be through charity / second hand shops :(
Had a trawl through some on Ecclesall Rd today. There's baskets full of knives and forks :o so took me a while! M x

wendygs
07-08-2005, 08:50
You might also like to ask some of the remaining cutler firms in Sheffield, eg Viners, Grunwald (I think etc), museums, Sheffield Local HIstory Service at the City Centre library are also very helpful. They may even have fiche of newspapers that far back which may have some useful info

lazarus
07-08-2005, 10:44
Originally posted by wendygs
You might also like to ask some of the remaining cutler firms in Sheffield, eg Viners, Grunwald (I think etc), museums, Sheffield Local HIstory Service at the City Centre library are also very helpful. They may even have fiche of newspapers that far back which may have some useful info

Im afraid that you have got it wrong Viners has not exsisted for over thirty years, the name still exsists but the cutlery that carries the name VINER is made in Japan, so dont think its made in Sheffield. The only time it reaches any Sheffield workers is when comes to Saynors Silver Platers on Egerton St, where it is either plated or re-packed into different boxes and by a quirk of fate the Saynors building is the last bit of VINERS factory that survives. Lots of firms do this, even the firm I work for and I am disgusted at the practice.
The Sheffield Shop on Ecclesall Rd has some Japanese knives on display but they dont know that they are Japanese, its true because our firm sells them to them.

lazarus
07-08-2005, 10:53
Hi Mystique, The Enterprise Works was full of Little Mesters all doing their own things.The main tenant of the works was a company called THE ROCKINGHAM PLATE & CUTLERY COMPANY which was owned by two brothers called Cyril & Percy Potter. This is not my own recollections its from the Herbert Housley book, you really should make a point of buying the book.
One of the reasons that you cant find any cutlery with your Grandads name on it maybe because whenever any cutlery was ordered by a retailer they usually had their own mark put on. Harrods or even Sheffield Wednesday are a couple of examples.
I dont know if your Grandfather was an outworker that means doing work for a bigger cutlery manufacturer or whether he was a manufacturer in his own right, if he was an outworker, there will be no cutlery with his name on it Im afraid.
As for the Enterprise Works I think the Council put a compulsary purchase order on it in the late fifties because they had St Marys ring road in mind but it was not demolished until the late sixties.

MysTique
07-08-2005, 19:20
Hello Wendy - thanks for your suggestions. Yes I will be heading off to the Library as soon as schools go back ( 4 weeks and counting :D )

lazarus - great information. My husband had also said the same as you, that firms nowadays put the customers names on, not the manufactuers, which I think is a real shame! ( He works for a well established knife blade firm - funny how things come full circle! )

I'm pretty sure my grandad manufactured in his own right. My mum remembers the company name being on the cutlery, she also says he travelled to Birmingham to purchase the canteens for his knives and forks. I also know he would sometimes go abroad to sell his products.

I realise I'll be hard pushed to actually find something he made, but I'm a woman on a mission and won't give up.:evil: :thumbsup:
I'll nip in to Sheffield Scene tomorrow for that book.

Thanks again for all your replies. M x

wendygs
08-08-2005, 08:48
Firstly to clarify my post re Viners & Grunwalds. Specifically I understand Viners exists even if owned by another company and their high-end cutlery is still finished/packed in the UK which I think is of little relevance or interest to your enquiries.

I think you are far more likely to be interested in the fact that Viners for sure used to have a museum which may now be part of the Cutlers Hall museum. I also think it probable Grunwalds, which also still exists, may have similar records because steel is just totally part of Sheffield's essence.

When I mentioned this to my neighbour, they suggested you may want to see what information the Town Hall has in their archives assuming this has not already been passed over to the Library.

Don Alexander on Ecclesall Road is definitely worth a visit and are always extremely helpful. There is also a shop on West Street which could also help. Both have been in the industry for years and what they dont know is probably not worth knowing.

lazarus
08-08-2005, 18:03
Hi again Mystique, A good bet is to contact Ashley Carson at the Assay Office on Portobello St regarding your Grandfathers Etchmark, they may have a register of trade marks and Etchmarks. I used to have one myself but someone borrowed it and it ended up in a Museum in France.

Wendygs--- a firm ceases to be when all that is left is a Name.
Viners Cutlery was very good quality, but now most of it is cheap 18/10 stainless steel made in Japan and Korea and it isnt a patch on real Viners ware.

wendygs
08-08-2005, 18:54
Originally posted by lazarus
Hi again Mystique, A good bet is to contact Ashley Carson at the Assay Office on Portobello St regarding your Grandfathers Etchmark, they may have a register of trade marks and Etchmarks. I used to have one myself but someone borrowed it and it ended up in a Museum in France.

Wendygs--- a firm ceases to be when all that is left is a Name.
Viners Cutlery was very good quality, but now most of it is cheap 18/10 stainless steel made in Japan and Korea and it isnt a patch on real Viners ware.

lazarus I dont see the relevance of a company's existence (eg Viners or even the equally defunct Avco Trust to accessing and exploring research resources for information.

As I understand this request ideas, would be appreciated on how to find products + any additional ideas on how to access relevant information. I therefore suggested some possible resources for this research to include archived information that may be accessible perhaps by appointment with the relevant archivists, ie Town Hall, Cutlers, other City museums/companies etc. That is all I suggested and with your very kind permission, I prefer to avoid an off-topic discussion on Company Law.

MysTique
08-08-2005, 23:05
Wendy - please forgive me if I'm wrong - but I think you're taking lazarus' posts the wrong way. In my original post I asked for information not only on tracing my grandads cutlery, but also about Enterprise Works and the cutlery trade in general. Both through his posts and the PM's we've exchanged lazarus has been more than helpful and given me a great deal of relevant information on something he knows a great deal about.

I'm grateful to everyone who's contributed to this thread, and have taken on all the suggestions, as I need all the help I can get.

I'm finding the problem is that as there were obviously so many cutlery manufacturers, whether outworkers or traders in their own right, my grandad was a small fish in a big pond, so to speak, and very difficult to trace.

As I've said before though - I'll keep trying. :)

gales
13-08-2005, 22:03
Hi, Has anyone come across cutlery with the Trademark Edley Bros. Sheffield. My Gt Grandfather and Granfather were Silver Comb manufacturers, later Tool & Saw maufacturers. They then went on to Cutlery. They Patented the Yureeda Knife Sharpeners. Pretoria Works Sidney St. I believe its a nightclub now. I recently obtained a Cake Knife & Cheese Knife which they had patented with the trademark on them. Interested to know if anyone has come across any items bearing the Edley Bros trademark. I understand they had places on Arundel St, [Potter St, this was Chumley & Edley] Shoreham St. There are a couple of other addresses in the directories I don't remember. They existed in the 1800s and into the 1900s, my Grandfather died 1933, his brother continued in business. What happened after that ??. Any clues out there?

levans44
13-08-2005, 22:11
Sorry to send this message but I need to discuss an early post regarding Cuneo ice cream - please reply

lazarus
14-08-2005, 11:17
I can remember the name EDLEY BROTHERS in the seventies they were at No 87/91 Sidney St and as you say there is a night club there. A great pity that a very good manufacturer went.It could be that somebody may still own the trade mark, one name does spring to mind and that is British Silverware in Windsor St down Attercliffe, it does go under the other name of the Solpro Group. When I worked for them they had lots of old trade marks of companys long gone.

MysTique
14-08-2005, 11:44
Hey - who's hi-jacked my thread? :suspect: :D

Hello gales, I can certainly understand the frustration of trying to find information when the trail goes cold.
Many people on here have offered some great suggestions which you may find useful. If you are in Sheffield try the Local History section at the library, or you could also email Sheffield Archives at archives@sheffield.gov.uk ( there's a wait of 2-4 weeks there) or the assay office on enquiries@assayoffice.co.uk.
I wish you well in your search. :thumbsup:

Originally posted by levans44
Sorry to send this message but I need to discuss an early post regarding Cuneo ice cream - please reply
Hello levans44, I see your new so welcome to the forum. I'm sorry I don't understand your question. Are you trying to speak to someone in particular? If so you need to make 5 posts on the forum and then you can send a PM - private message- by clicking on the PM button under the name of the required person. Hope that helps.

Lazarus :wave: As ever - a mine of information!

gales
14-08-2005, 21:40
Hi, MysTique, many thanks for the information, sorry I got on you patch. Error on my part. Regards Dorothy.

gales
14-08-2005, 21:43
Hi Lazarus, Appreciate the information, will look into it and see what I can come up with. Thanks Dorothy.

littlemester
11-10-2005, 22:03
Today is my first visit to Sheffield Forum, I came across it by chance. I read with interest the request for info about Dearden & Richmond, a company I knew well, also the owner Harry Turton. We actually did some work for them. My father rented several workshops at Enterprise Works, a typical Sheffield tenement factory, situated at the corner of St. Mary's Road & Shoreham Street. Having started working for my dad in 1939, he was a little mester at the time, (also called Herbert) This was in a grinding wheel driven by a gas engine. I then joined the Royal Navy in October 1943. On demob in 1947 dad had moved to Enterprise Works and I rejoined him there. By then he was a cutlery manufacturer in a small way, making cutlery and trade knives for other manufacturers who put their own names on them.

The factory was owned by the Potter Brothers, Cyril & Percy, two larger than life characters who ran a cutlery manufacturing company, I think it was called Bunting Langdon (having just turned 80 the old memory is not so good) FGF Tools owned by Gordon Frawlish, also rented premises there.

MysTique
12-10-2005, 18:57
Hello littlemester and welcome to the forum.
I am Harry Turton's grand-daughter and originally posted the thread you refer to.
Firstly may I say a big thank you for joining the forum to respond to my request for information, even more humbling knowing you are 80 years old!
Secondly, if you are who I think, then I would like to say I very much enjoyed Back to the Grindstone which gave me a huge insight into the lifestyle and working conditions during my grandad's time.
I never knew my grandad and have so many questions to ask you about him and his company - you may wish you'd never responded :heyhey: - but this will probably have to be done 'off-thread'
If I PM you my email address would you answer some questions for me?
Look forward to hearing from you
Mystique.

Oh and don't be surprised if our threads get merged - this happens when 2 thread are about the same topic.

littlemester
13-10-2005, 07:54
Hi Mistique,

Yes, I am the author of "Back to the Grindstone" and will answer your questions if I can.

Littlemester

owdlad
13-10-2005, 11:08
Don't hide the questions and answers away in private emails, unless they are of a personal nature of course. Please share them with us.

Welcome to the forum Littlemester, you have just got the award as our oldest member. :)

MysTique
13-10-2005, 11:36
Originally posted by owdlad
Welcome to the forum Littlemester, you have just got the award as our oldest member. :)

Apart from you of course ;)

I'm more than happy for littlemester to answer my questions online ( unless my grandad was one of the gentlemen who couldn't be named in the book for various reasons :suspect: ) in which case just tell me not 17000 others. :hihi:

I just thought that 'one to one' chat was frowned upon on the forum. :confused:

owdlad
13-10-2005, 14:59
Originally posted by MysTique
Apart from you of course ;)

I'm more than happy for littlemester to answer my questions online ( unless my grandad was one of the gentlemen who couldn't be named in the book for various reasons :suspect: ) in which case just tell me not 17000 others. :hihi:

I just thought that 'one to one' chat was frowned upon on the forum. :confused:

I am not even in the top 10 MysTique, but don't worry about the one to one chat, it happens all the time. I do agree though that Littlemester didn't ought to post anything libelous about your Grandad........he can send it to me via PM as well.:P

MysTique
13-10-2005, 22:10
Originally posted by owdlad
I do agree though that Littlemester didn't ought to post anything libelous about your Grandad........he can send it to me via PM as well.:P
LOL :nono: :hihi:

For anyone wondering what on earth we're talking about, this is my original thread Enterprise Works (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=52921&perpage=15&pagenumber=1)

littlemester - I have PM'd you some questions relating to the personal side of my grandad but would also be grateful if you could give me a little information about his company?

I'd like to know whether he worked alone or with others and whether he produced his flatware from start to finish or was part of a process (you mentioned you did some work for him). I have been unable to find a trademark but know for sure that the company name was marked on the handles.

He travelled abroad to obtain orders so I presume there were others who looked after the workshop whilst he was away?
We still don't know where the 'Richmond' came from if indeed it was an actual person.

In fact, any information you can give me will be much appreciated as at the moment I have very little to go on.

I look forward to your reply, and thank you once again.

lazarus
14-10-2005, 18:16
Go for it Mystique. Herbert is a very interesting chap.
He also started the W.O.R.K. project on Ringinglow Rd just opposite the Fire Station. Herbert is the type of man that Sheffield should honour, he is a true Sheffielder.

MysTique
16-10-2005, 15:19
Hello again lazarus! It's you I have to thank for recommending the book in the first place.
littlemester has been in touch and although he didn't know my grandad particularly well - (sorry owdlad, no scandal ;) ) - he has given me some very detailed information on the exact whereabouts of my grandad's workshops, and some useful suggestions on obtaining more information.
I hope littlemester will stay on the forum as his knowledge, I'm sure, would be useful to many.

MysTique
13-11-2005, 17:50
:clap: :clap: I have a knife!! :clap: :clap:

Thanks to Sheffield Forum and a lovely lady from London who had read this thread. She had one of my grandad's knives, which does indeed have Dearden & Richmond stamp on, and very kindly contacted me and posted the knife to me.

How great is that? There are some wonderful people out there.

Sorry to be so excited over a piece of cutlery - but I really didn't expect to ever get hold of one. Hopefully this will be the start of my collection. :thumbsup:

owdlad
13-11-2005, 18:07
Good work MysTique, now can you get little mester to start posting again. :confused:

poppins
13-11-2005, 18:34
Welcome littlemester, interesting post.....you must be Herbert Housley then, i haven't read your book yet, but will one day, i worked in Walker & Halls and Mappin & Webbs so i've always been interested in Sheff Cutlery & silverware.

MysTique
15-11-2005, 12:18
Originally posted by owdlad
Good work MysTique, now can you get little mester to start posting again. :confused:

I have tried Owdlad. littlemester and I have exchanged quite a few emails and he has gone out of his way to provide me with contacts for my quest.
I did say to him that his experience and knowledge would be appreciated by many on the forum, but I do understand he is a busy man.
I'll mention it again. ;)

juzpat
28-01-2007, 10:45
Im afraid that you have got it wrong Viners has not exsisted for over thirty years, the name still exsists but the cutlery that carries the name VINER is made in Japan, so dont think its made in Sheffield. The only time it reaches any Sheffield workers is when comes to Saynors Silver Platers on Egerton St, where it is either plated or re-packed into different boxes and by a quirk of fate the Saynors building is the last bit of VINERS factory that survives. Lots of firms do this, even the firm I work for and I am disgusted at the practice.
The Sheffield Shop on Ecclesall Rd has some Japanese knives on display but they dont know that they are Japanese, its true because our firm sells them to them.

Hi ,
I am looking for information on my Uncle he was Charles Frederick Hall known as Fred Viner Hall . He died in Australia in 1961 and was involved with Viner & Hall . Does any one know anything about the union. He was always known as Fred Viner Hall .

Organgrinder
28-01-2007, 14:16
I once worked in the Enterprise Works for a chap called Hayes.
Its full address was 66 St Marys Road, it was knocked down years ago . It was where Pee Bees sandwich shop is on Shoreham is.The exact place is just past the sandwich shop and where the grassed area is as you turn to go up St Marys Rd thats where it was.
The place itself was full of little mesters (not Small men ) who worked for themselves, thats just what the man I worked for did. I used to polish garden trowels, spades, hoes and also hand guards for claymore swords.

Hi there, I worked on the Enterprise works from 1959 to 1961, I'm afraid I can't tell you anything about Deardon & Richmond (although I remember the name) but I'm trying to recall names of the little mesters who worked in the buildings. I worked for a firm called Boardman Plate on there. Old Mr. Boardman retired and I rented his grinding shop from his son Jack (who owned Mary Gentles chip shop & cafe on Howard Street) and set up as an outwork grinder. I remember Gerry Hayes, who Lazarus worked for - his outfit was known on the works as Gerry & the Spademakers (after the Liverpool group). Another tenant was George Sadler who was an outwork cutler in the top shop up the iron outside staircase. A guy called Roy (surname I can't remember) rented the shop underneath Sadler's. I believe Herbert Housley was originally in the grinding shop that I worked in for Boardmans and which I rented.

MysTique
04-02-2007, 09:45
Hello Organgrinder.

Thank you for that information, it all helps to give a bigger picture of where my grandad worked and is very useful for others interested in Enterprise Works. If anything else springs to mind please post it up. :)

For anyone interested I now have a spoon to add to my knife - I'm slowly building up my canteen! :hihi:

oldtimer
19-02-2007, 21:05
Two comments. As a lad I worked in Langsett Road Barracks, (Burdalls Buildings) at a very small machine shop called Sycamore Repetition. We made small rotary tools that I , as the 'young lad', had to take in a sack to a 'Little Mesters place just off Langsett Road. The tools had teeth put on them, and were then sent elsewhere for finishing. This was in 1955. A few years ago, I had dentures made for me in Edmonton. Alberta, Canada. Imagine my surprise when I saw the dental technician adjusting the fit of my dentures, using one of the rotary tools that I had handled so long ago. I know they were the ones I made, because the box that had other tools in was marked with the name of the place where I worked, with the appropriate date!
The other comment? I had two uncles, Tom Parkes and Ernest Brady, (my dad's brother) who leased a small shop somewhere around Scotland street, they were file makers. My mother spent many years after WW2 working for Leppingtons Cutlers.

jockey
24-04-2007, 18:04
George was my grandad and he worked as a little mester in a scruffy workshop above the old Saddle pub on west street, up some thin white washed steps.

Next to him worked Eric Wragg, who made hunting knifes and pen knifes, I remember my grandad taking us next door to see Eric, Eric showed us (me and my twin brother) 2 leather bound books with his design drawings in, they must have been 100 years old then !!

Fantastic memories of time spent in 6 weeks holidays watching my gradad, polishing, sharpening and fixing real stag handles, fixed using resin and ash from his pot bellied stove. Must have been 200 years worth of dust in those workshops, my mum used to go mad, we'd come back covered !!

Happy memories.

Steve Sadler:)

gabrielle
16-06-2007, 13:45
My relative is Samuel Saynor who worked with brother John in the 1780-19's. Can you tell me if they eventually sold out to Viners. I have found a reference to a "Rainbow" mark, I would like more information or clues on how to follow up if possible?

lazyherbert
16-06-2007, 15:34
I should have a look at the records they hold in the Cutlers hall because they have all the trade marks of all the cutlers in & around Sheffield.It is worth a try.

gabrielle
16-06-2007, 19:21
thanks lazyherbert. I'm in the Uk in July and staying in Sheffield. I shall visit the Cutlers Hall for myself. Another branch of my family are Shaws, also cutlery makers. Family history on the net is great for people like me, I live in France. I spend all year building up areas to explore and then race round trying to get answers in 5 days, exhausting but sometimes rewarding.
Gabrielle

bobsue
26-07-2008, 12:12
Hi, Has anyone come across cutlery with the Trademark Edley Bros. Sheffield. My Gt Grandfather and Granfather were Silver Comb manufacturers, later Tool & Saw maufacturers. They then went on to Cutlery. They Patented the Yureeda Knife Sharpeners. Pretoria Works Sidney St. I believe its a nightclub now. I recently obtained a Cake Knife & Cheese Knife which they had patented with the trademark on them. Interested to know if anyone has come across any items bearing the Edley Bros trademark. I understand they had places on Arundel St, [Potter St, this was Chumley & Edley] Shoreham St. There are a couple of other addresses in the directories I don't remember. They existed in the 1800s and into the 1900s, my Grandfather died 1933, his brother continued in business. What happened after that ??. Any clues out there?

Ihave a cutlery set in a wooden box made by Edley Bros of Sheffield . It is in prefect condition and it belonged to my Grandparents and i aquired after they died. If interested please reply .

bobsue
26-07-2008, 12:17
Ihave a cutlery set in a wooden box made by Edley Bros of Sheffield . It is in prefect condition and it belonged to my Grandparents and i aquired after they died. If interested please reply .I dont know how old it is but my Grandparents died in 1977 and 1982 at the ages of 86 and 88 and i have had the set ever since , so i cant put a date on it and how much it is worth, a reply to this would be most welcome.

gales
26-07-2008, 12:43
Hello, What a nice surprise to hear from you. I managed to get hold of a couple of things from New Zealand. Someone emigrated years ago and took the items with them. I am interested. They are most likely early 1900. Perhaps we could come to some agreement. The cutlery its self won't be worth much its just the sentimental value. Hope to hear from you. Thank You gales.

cuie
15-12-2008, 15:19
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belgianguy
28-07-2009, 22:10
Dear MysTique,

I bought some cutlery today at the Brussels antique market. It's a box containing a small sized knife, fork and spoon for children in E.P.N.S. (Electrical plated nickel silver). The knife has the manifacture's name Dearden & Richmond Sheffield on the blade. If you're still interested I can send you a picture of it by email.

MysTique
31-07-2009, 21:16
Dear MysTique,

I bought some cutlery today at the Brussels antique market. It's a box containing a small sized knife, fork and spoon for children in E.P.N.S. (Electrical plated nickel silver). The knife has the manifacture's name Dearden & Richmond Sheffield on the blade. If you're still interested I can send you a picture of it by email.

Hi belgianguy,

Many thanks for taking the time to post. I've PM'd you my email address.

Telboy797
26-02-2011, 14:50
Hi Mystique
I have just accquired a box set of 6 fish knives and forks, stamped on knives, Dearden & Richmond, Sheffield, are you interested? Telboy797

MysTique
26-02-2011, 23:18
Hi Mystique
I have just accquired a box set of 6 fish knives and forks, stamped on knives, Dearden & Richmond, Sheffield, are you interested? Telboy797

Hello Telboy797

Thanks very much for getting in touch. I have PM'd you my email address if you could send me some photos.

I got a lovely little set from belgianguy, but will always be interested in the cutlery my grandad made.

Look forward to hearing from you.