Last night my boyfriend caught the number 17 bus from Meadowhall which departed around 8.45pm. There were few passengers on this bus, just my boyfriend and three other people and a group of eight asian youths (around the age of 16 to 18 )

My boyfriend and I spoke on the phone and he said he'd moved to the front of the bus because the youths had been pulling the hood on his coat. I was concerned, with him being alone on the bus, so I told him I'd ring him in 15 minutes to check to see if he was ok. Ten minutes later, I gave him a call and he told me he was in a police car as he had been assaulted by the 8 youths just before reaching firth park. I was absolutely horrified and immediately went over there. It turns out there was no camera on the bus, so these varmants have got off scott free.

My boyfriend has suffered severe beatings to the head and is covered in bruises all over his face. He also has a chipped front tooth and damages to his chest.

All this happened while he was still on the bus and was totally unprovoked. I am posting today, to appeal for the witnesses to come forward. If you were one of those three people who saw what happened or you know whodid see it, please contact me.

Thank you x

Sounds horrific. Why didn't the bus driver do anything to stop them? I presume the motivation was racial too (if it was a gang of whites beating up an asian without any other motivation, this racial motivation would be assumed).

To be honest t020, I bet he was scared himself. Yes, I thought it would be a racial attack too..... I bet the police would do a hell of a lot more if it was 8 white lads on one asian lad. They are absolutely sick they are.

Sorry to hear about this Caprice, sadly there has been a troublesome youth element around Meadowhall for many years. It isn't anything new, however,that's no consolation for you or your boyfriend is it.
There are people out there who see this group bullying and violence as a bunch of lads larking around, this I think is pretty sad as their not the ones who end up picking up the pieces.
Good luck to your boyfriend I hope he recovers quickly and bear in mind this lot really are a mindless minority although it doesn't feel like it at the moment.
I hope the Police sort it Pronto for you.

I think all thoughts should be with the young man attacked,not throwing the race issue up in the air.
It makes no odds,if they were Asian,white or what ever it was carried out by yobs.
These people are very clever when they are in a gang,but alone they are nothing,I think the race issue is a very sensative subject and presume this was the motive behind the attack is somewhat premature.

Yeah thanks Bulldog D... We've had a terrible night... we had to go to A and E and we were about 2.5-3 hours there. Then I had to keep waking him up every 2 hours to check he was ok. I was up all night anyway, just listening to him breathing. Its absolutely shocking. He darent catch the bus home from work again now and I feel so useless for not having a car, so I could pick him up personally and make sure he's safe. We're looking for a new job for him now. He needs a day time one, as he is given all the rubbish late shifts where he works now. He doesn't even have a car and the company he works for are very inconsiderate and still make him work so late. It's disgraceful. I've been on to SYPTE earlier, showing off about there being no camera on the bus. Its a shame that the nicest of folk get victimised in this way.

OMG!! is he ok caprice?!?

that is sick!!! if it was the other way round liek you said then it would have been a hell of a different story!!!
hope that someone comes forward to help catch these people as it isnt rite them getting away with it!!
what makes it worse is that he is the 3rd person i kno who has been assaulted by a group like this in the last week!

hope he is ok caprice, n hope u r n all!!

Thanks sataninheels. He's alright now. I've been wet-nursing him all last night and this morning and have been ringing him every hour since I left him this afternoon. I'm in shock at the moment, I have always been very concerned about him coming home from work and now this has happened I'll be even worse! It's brought to light my own personal safety too... My Dad's taking me to buy a personal alarm tomorrow, and I'm going to get one for Chris while I'm there. I'm just grateful they didn't have knives/guns/baseball bats.

What (if anything) have the Police done about this? What action have they taken to identify your boyfriend's attackers?

How old is he caprice? Just so I can keep an eye for jobs he may be interested in... and the age factor too.

I once ahd a run in with a gang of... well it started as just 6 Asian lads (I was 16/17 at the time)... when they saw I wasn't scared of em and offered em all outside... they left... only to regroup in numbers of about 16 or more.

This was a Castle Centre.
It didn't turn nasty as another random guy came over to the ring leader and they all left.

Although I know people have hang ups about the race card... but this is quite simply race motivated. I'll happily say it!

These thugs need teaching a lesson (be it law or otherwise).
I'm sorry to hear about the incident Caprice and send my best to Chris.

He could always catch the Supertram from Meadowhall. Also maybe he could plead to hismanager to be given the day time shifts!!! I'm sure there should be some CCTV at meadowhall that would have captured these guys.

Anyway... keep us posted!

Originally posted by caprice
It's brought to light my own personal safety too... My Dad's taking me to buy a personal alarm tomorrow, and I'm going to get one for Chris while I'm there. I'm just grateful they didn't have knives/guns/baseball bats.

yeah well, i was gonna say make sure ure carefull on your way home from there, cant say that makes me feel any better about leaving work when it is dark and going for the busses, usually walking through town on my own aswel. hope hes feeling better, take care of ureself!

What (if anything) have the Police done about this? What action have they taken to identify your boyfriend's attackers?

Well all the lads got on at meadowhall, so there should be some video footage at the interchange. The police went to look for the footage once they had returned chris home.

How old is he caprice?
Hey DB, Chris is 20 in March. He wont be able to work more than 20 hours a week because he does a computer engineering course at home.

He could always catch the Supertram from Meadowhall.

He lives at Firth park and the tram doesn't go there. :(

yeah well, i was gonna say make sure ure carefull on your way home from there

I handed in my notice on Saturday. No more meadowhell for me!

Originally posted by caprice
I handed in my notice on Saturday. No more meadowhell for me!

lucky u!! i kno this is off topic but just though i'd say i saw ya at work on saturday!! looked like u was havin a lot of fun! lol! take care anyway!

kno this is off topic but just though i'd say i saw ya at work on saturday!

Oh right!! I finished at half seven and Chris was finishing at half eight. If only I'd have waited for him... :mad:

Originally posted by caprice
Oh right!! I finished at half seven and Chris was finishing at half eight. If only I'd have waited for him... :mad:

well dont even start to think that it is even slightly your fault!! u wasn't to know that there would be some idiots on his bus (that isnt even close to describing these people im sure)

I dont know if this is any help,but if they boarded the bus at meadowhall,there is alot of cctv there.
Its a long shot but he may be able to identify them from that.

Yeah tango2, thats where the police said they were going to. And I'll be going personally aswell. I'm not resting until I get something done about them.

Hey Caprice.
I just read your post, and it sickens me, I hope he's o.k now and yourself aswell.

I have been the victim of an unprovoked attack by yobs on a bus, and although it wasn't eight and only three it scared the **** out of me to use the bus after.

It's nice how first advertise the fact there are cameras on all buses, where actually it's far from the truth!
at least he didn't make it worse by trying to fight back, that's where I went wrong as the bus drove off I decided to hit back although they left me after that it could have turned out alot worse.

Thanks duffman.

Its terrible that it happened to you too. Its absolutely disgusting isn't it. I can't believe they would do such a thing to another human being. Its disgraceful. Its not as though he's done them wrong. These people should have their hands chopped off in the town centre. If the law wasn't so slack on these things, people wouln't do it would they?

Yeah, unless they're adults that do the crime, all they'll get if they're caught is a slap on the wrist, a couple of hours community service at "worst", and chucked back on the street quicker than a judge can say "next!".

Its so wrong though :mad:

ohh thats bad . Once i was on the same bus going to parson cross an i overheard an asian guy asking some blonde girl to suck him off lol, she was ugly too.

Originally posted by caprice
Oh right!! I finished at half seven and Chris was finishing at half eight. If only I'd have waited for him... :mad:

That wouldnt have helped really, thinking about the mentality of these cretins they'd more than likely have had a go at you as well :(

All the police need is a kick up the rear once every so often (not literally :P)

Originally posted by PENGUIN
ohh thats bad . Once i was on the same bus going to parson cross an i overheard an asian guy asking some blonde girl to suck him off lol, she was ugly too.

Not really a laughing matter, IMHO.

sorry to hear about this attack caprice.
alas the 17 bus is not one i would ever get on after dark,and at the risk of sounding racist,its because of the amount of asian youths that seem to be onboard between meadowhall and firth park. and they always seem to be intent on winding up the other passengers.

anyway, hope all goes well for you and they catch the k**b heads responsible.

Just wanted to say sorry to hear about what happened Caprice and I hope that something gets done about it. I hope your boyfriend recovers soon! :(

Last night I saw a group of f*****s holding up the bus arguing with the driver who put his hazard lights on and stoped the bus. They looked quite threatening towards him but the local police station was closed a year ago so the nearest cop shop is Hammerton road meaning a long wait for any help, strangely enough trouble has risen since the closing:loopy: I think the driver did go with them on it's just yob rule now!
The pubs don't help by letting them get wasted first.

Anyone want to set up a vigilante group?
I know what will be said of that, who will police us etc.

Oh, how I'd love to form a vigilante group. Teach ***** like that a bit about real life.

That wouldnt have helped really, thinking about the mentality of these cretins they'd more than likely have had a go at you as well

Every time I've caught the bus with him there have been idiots on there, but we've never had anyone cause trouble with us both. Route 17 is usually quite busy when Chris is coming home. It departs meadowhall interchange before the 93 arrives, so many people going to Firth park catch this. Because there were only three other people on the bus and no camera, these idiots knew they'd be able to have a whale of a time and not get caught.

I hope your boyfriend recovers soon!

Thanks Clair bear. I've had his Mum and Sister check him several times in the night... I know you're only meant to watch them for 24 hours, which I have done personally, but he's so important to me, I knew I'd never settle if he hadn't been checked last night. I've rang him this morning and his bruises are just coming out, so he's in pain. The poor old lad's worried about how he's going to look on our valentine's photo's! Aww!

Oh, how I'd love to form a vigilante group. Teach ***** like that a bit about real life.

Yep. and I know where we'd be going first. *smacks fist into hand*

It is horrible and not nice when it happens to you but at least heis ok now. It could have been worse. Just be thankful nothing worse happened.

I think it's just gang mentality.. I wouldn't look into the racial motivation part too deeply as gangs will pick on anyone..

Originally posted by Red 2
It is horrible and not nice when it happens to you but at least heis ok now. It could have been worse. Just be thankful nothing worse happened.

I think it's just gang mentality.. I wouldn't look into the racial motivation part too deeply as gangs will pick on anyone..

Have to say I agree with you there, kids in a gang will jump just about anyone on their own no matter what colour they are.

I can almost certainly say; a bunch of white lads like that wouldn't just set upon a single stranger for no apparent reason.

But it suprises me very little coming from Asian youths. It seems like they've always got something to prove, and it all comes out when they're in their large gangs. As long as they outnumber their chosen enemy, they'll go for it. I've had similar trouble myself on many occasions (although, thankfully, it never got as bad as this one). It's a large problem that the youth on the street encounter every day.

I'm not trying to be politically correct here, so i'll probably get hammered for it. This is my own observations and experiences that are talking here.
I dont wanna make this a race debate - far from it - but dont be afraid to accept that race could be a part of it. Might not have been, but it could.

Originally posted by jackthedog
I can almost certainly say; a bunch of white lads like that wouldn't just set upon a single stranger for no apparent reason.

I beg to differ, I have on numerous occasions witnessed a group of white kids set about someone for no reason, same as I've seen black and asian kids do it too.

I've never seen it, but i'll stand corrected if you have.

Originally posted by jackthedog
Oh, how I'd love to form a vigilante group. Teach ***** like that a bit about real life.

By hitting them?

Why, dont you think that'd work?

This kind of thing makes me sick. I'm so sorry for what happened Caprice and I hope your fella is ok again soon. I'm sure your valentine photos will look great. All the best. :)

And here's my rant......

I'd love to be able to say 'violence is not the answer' and 'someone just needs to talk to these kids' but look what that's done to our society since it went soft. The law is no longer the threat it once was, teachers and parents aren't allowed to get physical to discipline kids anymore and it all seems to be the pacifist softly-softly approach these days which I'll openly say isn't doing a damn bit of good.

These kids have never known the meaning of the words respect and discipline and they know there's not alot that can touch them. What's the answer? I'm sure a cup of tea and a chat isn't going to solve it. Violence seems to be the only language they understand so maybe someone should give THEM a lesson.

Amen....................

I don't know whether it would work, but the evidence is pretty thin.

Young men hit each other. Biologically determined behaviour.

Hitting them back just reinforces the might=right dogma.

Which they will then teach their children (unwittingly by imitation).

Also, if you are to appoint yourself as judge and penal enforcer I would like to know what qualifications you have to do so, that you have security clearance, that you have no criminal convictions, that you are not on the sex offenders register and so on. I also want to know that you are trained in the use of restrain and reasonable force, and that you will be held fully accountable for your actions.

Otherwise I would not feel safe walking the street knowing there are vigilante groups around that answer to no-one, and whose members may be drawn from a criminal fraternity of violent thugs. I might even be prompted to set up my own armed vigilante squad to exterminate this menace from the street.

Of course you could opt to do all the checks, set up an obudsman and complaints procedure, interface with the courts and judicial & penal systems and wear a uniform so that the public can readily identify you.

But why reinvent the police?

Sorry to hear about you're BF caprice :-(

Pauly ... you make a lot of sense there.

Violence is just another form of communication ... and it's the only one that some people seem to understand and respect ...

Why talk to someone in a language they don't understand !?

Originally posted by jackthedog
I can almost certainly say; a bunch of white lads like that wouldn't just set upon a single stranger for no apparent reason.
.

are you taking the ****?!

happens everywhere.. i think theres statistics to say that more white gangs cause trouble than any other race!!

Taking them out and giving them an old fashioned hiding could be perceived as the answer in the short term. However, the law needs changing so that the individuals who commit such atrocious acts against their fellow citizens and communities are justifiably punished and quickly.
I'd like to see the stocks brought back into communities and the local miscreants put into them for a day or two. The humiliation for them would be unbearable as they wouldn't be in their gang and they would be accessible to the community for derision, villification and may be some rotten fruit throwing.
I'd recommend Intake crossroads just outside the Co-op as the first sight for such an undertaking. I'll bring the fruit.

Why stop there? Stocks ar such an ephemeral solution. Can't we deport them to mars or execute them without trial?

And Caprice, hope everything is panning out OK, but are you sure you were wet nursing your fella? I would have thought he was a little old for that now (its an enduring image however).

White gangs will cause more bother than other races, i'm sure. This is England. I should imagine the majority of people here are white.


I'm not talking about bother in general - i'm talking about this particular sort of attack, which i've seen, and experienced a number of times.

Yep! I'd be right there with you Bulldog!

Update:
* As of yet, I've heard nothing from SYPTE. I know I only emailed last night, but with a case as serious as this, they should have rang me on the number I provided them with.

* Just had my driving lesson and my instructor is willing to take Chris with her after my monday morning lesson. He should be starting his lessons next month :)

* Going to buy my lottery ticket in a bit... I'll need to win the millions at this rate! I got an insurance quote for a Nreg Clio (not sporty, just base) and it was £1811!!! with £250 excess! and thats with me as sole driver, kept in a locked garage! *tuts* Keep your fingers crossed for me!

* Also going for 2 x personal alarms.... Just a fiver in Wilko's, so i'm advising everyone to go and get one for themselves and their partners... A 95 decibel siren going off in the scum bags ear hole may just be a deterrant...

:thumbsup:

Will keep you updated folks!

Originally posted by bulldog D
I'd like to see the stocks brought back into communities and the local miscreants put into them for a day or two. The humiliation for them would be unbearable as they wouldn't be in their gang and they would be accessible to the community for derision, villification and may be some rotten fruit throwing.
I'd recommend Intake crossroads just outside the Co-op as the first sight for such an undertaking. I'll bring the fruit.

Amen to that!

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
I don't know whether it would work, but the evidence is pretty thin.
Young men hit each other. Biologically determined behaviour.
Hitting them back just reinforces the might=right dogma.
Which they will then teach their children (unwittingly by imitation).

Also, if you are to appoint yourself as judge and penal enforcer I would like to know what qualifications you have to do so, that you have security clearance, that you have no criminal convictions, that you are not on the sex offenders register and so on. I also want to know that you are trained in the use of restrain and reasonable force, and that you will be held fully accountable for your actions.
Otherwise I would not feel safe walking the street knowing there are vigilante groups around that answer to no-one, and whose members may be drawn from a criminal fraternity of violent thugs. I might even be prompted to set up my own armed vigilante squad to exterminate this menace from the street.
Of course you could opt to do all the checks, set up an obudsman and complaints procedure, interface with the courts and judicial & penal systems and wear a uniform so that the public can readily identify you.
But why reinvent the police?

What I want to know is when did it become so complicated to solve a seemingly simple problem? It's statements like Phan made that makes it impossible for anyone to take any action these days. Everyone is told that they have to abide by this rule and that rule and eventually people just end up leaving the situation to go undealt with because it doesn't seem worth bothering with all the red tape. I think I preferred life before red-tape was invented. Quit talking and just do something!

Have you tried phoning First bus? Driver would surely be a good wintness!

Originally posted by Pauly
Amen to that!



What I want to know is when did it become so complicated to solve a seemingly simple problem? It's statements like Phan made that makes it impossible for anyone to take any action these days. Everyone is told that they have to abide by this rule and that rule and eventually people just end up leaving the situation to go undealt with because it doesn't seem worth bothering with all the red tape. I think I preferred life before red-tape was invented. Quit talking and just do something!

Yeah because it worked in the past didn't it, people never had fights or got attacked in the past when teachers and parents could beat kids :loopy:

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
Why stop there? Stocks are such an ephemeral solution.


What evidence do you have that ritual humiliation is ephemeral? It appears to be the view of many here that it may act both as an appropriate punishment and deterrent for some crimes as opposed to 'a nice chat and a cup of tea'.

Just to be clear I'm only referring to punishment after a fair trial not vigilante punishment.

Originally posted by Phanerothyme

And Caprice, hope everything is panning out OK, but are you sure you were wet nursing your fella? I would have thought he was a little old for that now (its an enduring image however).

I'm glad I wasn't the only person to spot that. :P

Nomme

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
Why stop there? Stocks ar such an ephemeral solution. Can't we deport them to mars or execute them without trial?

And Caprice, hope everything is panning out OK, but are you sure you were wet nursing your fella? I would have thought he was a little old for that now (its an enduring image however).


An ephemeral solution eh!
Only lasting for a short time or of a transitory effect!
your probably right Phan, so lets keep them in the stocks for a fortnight.
As for execution without trial I think that's a tad extreme
but the option of deportation to mars could be a goer, although I would like to think that the Beagle 2 team could design and build the landing craft.

Originally posted by Pauly
Amen to that!



What I want to know is when did it become so complicated to solve a seemingly simple problem? It's statements like Phan made that makes it impossible for anyone to take any action these days. Everyone is told that they have to abide by this rule and that rule and eventually people just end up leaving the situation to go undealt with because it doesn't seem worth bothering with all the red tape. I think I preferred life before red-tape was invented. Quit talking and just do something!
I think I read recently that police officers only spend 8% of their rime on the "frontline". The rest is spent on paperwork, court appearances etc. :loopy:

The judicial system in this country is quite simply pathetic - not enough criminals are caught, when they are it is difficult to convict and when convicted the punishments are laughable. Until this is reversed it will become more and more common place for people to seek justice outside of the system.

I agree with some of the points Phan raises about the dangers of vigilantism. However, I don't think the police, courts, Politians are doing enough to re-establish public faith in the "system". A little civil disobedience and rough justice may provide them with a little more motivation.

Originally posted by Zamo
A little civil disobedience and rough justice may provide them with a little more motivation.

Tell that to the paediatrician whose house was torched by the vigilante mob hunting paedophiles.

Originally posted by Pauly I think I preferred life before red-tape was invented. Quit talking and just do something!

Laws and rules (red-tape), such as PACE, were brought in to protect the innocent from inappropriate police behaviour. Without these laws we, the innocent, would be more likely to suffer miscarriages of justice.

Originally posted by caprice
* As of yet, I've heard nothing from SYPTE. I know I only emailed last night, but with a case as serious as this, they should have rang me on the number I provided them with.
Sorry to hear about this nasty business, but I know (in my experience) that the police don't respond very quickly to their e-mails. They will probably also take it more seriously if you call rather than e-mail them.

Originally posted by max
Tell that to the paediatrician whose house was torched by the vigilante mob hunting paedophiles.

Laws and rules (red-tape), such as PACE, were brought in to protect the innocent from inappropriate police behaviour. Without these laws we, the innocent, would be more likely to suffer miscarriages of justice.
Yes Max but the right balance needs to be struck between protecting people from being wrongly accused/convicted and protecting them from crime.

that the police don't respond very quickly to their e-mails.

I haven't emailed the police, I emailed SYPTE (South yorkshire passenger transport executive)

Note to all: Personal safety alarms are £1.99 at Lloyds pharmacy, I've just bought us one each and have been texting all my friends, asking them to get one. I'd like to think most people on here would go out and buy one, because the varmants are more likely to clear off if you set one of these things off.

Originally posted by Zamo
Yes Max but the right balance needs to be struck between protecting people from being wrongly accused/convicted and protecting them from crime.

Yes Zamo, and if anybody could then they would be assured of being made Home Secretary on a permanent basis.

Currently, our jails are full to overflowing and yet we don't imprison enough people. Our police are under pressure to arrest more people and the courts are under similar pressure to imprison more people. Where should we put them? If we release all those people who are in jail for defaulting on payments of fines, debts, etc., then people would be up in arms that they are getting away with a slap on the wrist.

The alternative is to build more prisons but that would involve raising taxes and no politician would dare suggest that.

The use of stocks was mentioned on here, or another thread. Who's going to police those for 24 hours a day?

I don't have the answers. Perhaps there aren't any.

Hi Caprice - sorry to hear what you and your boyfriend have been through.

It might be worth looking into other alarms (the Lloyds ones although cheap are battery operated) There are ones available that are louder, don't rely on batteries and give off the most foul smell ( truly obnoxious trust me) as well as having ultra violet spray.

The one I've got is a Trident Triple Action Personal Alarm but there may be other brands available.

Trident Alarm (http://www.c-p-p.co.uk/index.php?ecom_siteid=86&product_id=10137&option=Prod_detail)

Originally posted by max
Yes Zamo, and if anybody could then they would be assured of being made Home Secretary on a permanent basis.

Currently, our jails are full to overflowing and yet we don't imprison enough people. Our police are under pressure to arrest more people and the courts are under similar pressure to imprison more people. Where should we put them? If we release all those people who are in jail for defaulting on payments of fines, debts, etc., then people would be up in arms that they are getting away with a slap on the wrist.

The alternative is to build more prisons but that would involve raising taxes and no politician would dare suggest that.

The use of stocks was mentioned on here, or another thread. Who's going to police those for 24 hours a day?

I don't have the answers. Perhaps there aren't any.
I saw a new prison on TV yesterday that is opening this week. It will be letting prisoners serve their sentences "part-time" i.e. at weekends or Mon-Fri. Bloody stupid idea but it was the actual quality of the cell that pished me off most. It was better than many hotels I've stayed in! Each cell had separate on-suite shower and toilet and built in wardrobes and TV!

Two things wrong with this:

1. Prison only works if it's a deterrent. 3 star accommodation and weekend or mid-week sentences (whichever fits in best with the busy criminals life style) are no deterrent.

2. It makes the cost of building more prison (which we need) too expensive without raising taxes.

Some solutions...

Instead of building one luxury prison let's build two "basic" ones.

Let's make prisoners work to pay for their keep.

Let's have more prison sentences and longer sentences so it is more of a deterrent.

Let's have three strikes and you're out.

Let's have longer community service orders.

Let's name and shame people.

Let's have stocks - we can sub-contract supervision work to companies who would earn their money through the sale of rotten veg and sh*t pies.

Let's do a "call centre" and outsource the care of our murderers, paedophiles and rapists to private run establishments in India.

Where do I get my application for Home Secretary? :thumbsup:

Thanks for that Sian.... That looks like a good thing to have! The UV tracer is a good idea too! Thanks!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Zamo
I saw a new prison on TV yesterday that is opening this week. It will be letting prisoners serve their sentences "part-time" i.e. at weekends or Mon-Fri. Bloody stupid idea but it was the actual quality of the cell that pished me off most. It was better than many hotels I've stayed in! Each cell had separate on-suite shower and toilet and built in wardrobes and TV!

Two things wrong with this: -snip-

Please keep on topic. This topic relates to a specific incident. There are plenty of general threads about the subject of crime and punishment. Either do a search or check out Offender payouts - right or wrong? (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6368) or maybe A way to treat louts? (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3936) or one of the many similar threads.

Caprice
How about tagging those who offend on public transport,
fit the busses with receivers and when any of the miscreants try to board ,it lights up like a xmas tree.
The driver can refuse to let them on and leave them stood on the footpath after all they can ban drunk drivers from driving, so why not yobs from public transport.

Originally posted by bulldog D
Caprice
How about tagging those who offend on public transport,
fit the busses with receivers and when any of the miscreants try to board ,it lights up like a xmas tree.
The driver can refuse to let them on and leave them stood on the footpath after all they can ban drunk drivers from driving, so why not yobs from public transport.

Maybe because it's public and they have a right to use it no matter how much of a prat they are.

Yes but people who have offended and injured other passengers shouldnt have the right to use public transport again. Its quite simply for the safety and wellbeing of other passengers, who are innocent.

The roads are public highways but you still get banned from driving on them, and anyway I'm not right bothered about the rights of an offender so just call me hard hearted.

anyway I'm not right bothered about the rights of an offender so just call me hard hearted.

I totally agree. I know I'd never commit an offence, so I'm not going to go harping on over how offenders still have rights. The scum who did this to my boyfriend aren't people, they aren't humans, they are animals. They don't deserve to use public transport, they don't deserve anything.

All I can say is, it isn't too late for me to get into law.... I'd be one hell of a judge i can tell you that! I have zero tolerance for violence and crimes, however petty... Ooooo I'm going on one... sorry!

Originally posted by Geoff
Please keep on topic. This topic relates to a specific incident. There are plenty of general threads about the subject of crime and punishment. Either do a search or check out Offender payouts - right or wrong? (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6368) or maybe A way to treat louts? (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3936) or one of the many similar threads.
Sorry Geoff, I thought the topic had moved on to discuss what can be done to prevent/deter people from committing the sort of crimes that this topic relates to?

Perhaps you could help me as I’m confused as to what is considered “off-topic”? Expressions of sympathy and disgust are obviously within topic but why is talk of setting up vigilante groups and bringing back stocks less "off-topic" than my comments about why I think criminals are not being caught or how to make prisons a more effective deterrent? :confused:

Perhaps you could help me as I’m confused as to what is considered “off-topic”?

I think its because I posted appealing for the three witnesses to come forward... I do agree that these people should be punished and discussions on suitable punishments I will gladly take part in. I think we just need to keep things specific to what happened with chris and perhaps start a new thread about crime and punishment in general chat. I know that Chris has been on here looking at what's been said and he's pleased that so many people have responded. On that note I'd like to thank everyone for their support in the matter.

Originally posted by bulldog D
The roads are public highways but you still get banned from driving on them, and anyway I'm not right bothered about the rights of an offender so just call me hard hearted.

So have you never committed a crime in your life, no matter how small??? Or does this only apply to people who get caught...

So have you never committed a crime in your life, no matter how small??? Or does this only apply to people who get caught...

No, Bulldog was getting at people who do things like what has happened to Chris. Neither of us were saying that if you nick a penny chew from the corner shop you should be banned from public transport.... We were arguing that if people beat innocent people up on the bus or cause trouble with innocent passengers, they simply should not be allowed on any form of public transport. I don't know how could could disagree with that. I'm sure you wouldn't feel too happy if the same 8 scum bags were on the bus taunting you.

That's not what you said though is it.

I have been attacked before thanks, yes it ****ing sucks - I've got a scar on my throat where a stranger stabbed me as well as kicking a big chunk outta my leg. It happens unfortunately and you just have to get on with things. If I had been on that bus with the same 8 16-18 year old 'scumbags' then to be honest they wouldn't have bothered me but I've always been around that sort of thing as a kid so I'm used to it.

What annoys me is how everyone acts like they are an angel and have never done anything wrong.

Originally posted by fnkysknky

What annoys me is how everyone acts like they are an angel and have never done anything wrong.


Suffice to say I'd like to think that most people using these boards don't go about randomly beating up strangers.

What annoys me is how everyone acts like they are an angel and have never done anything wrong.

Yes, but what if they have never done a thing wrong. Chris has never stole anything, he's never attaked anyone or done anything like that. He's as honest as they come.


If I had been on that bus with the same 8 16-18 year old 'scumbags' then to be honest they wouldn't have bothered me

They wouldn't have bothered you? Why the hell not? They set out with the intention to do this, it could have been you, it could have been me, but it was chris. What makes you think they wouldn't have bothered you.... Would you have threatened them? Would you have took all eight of them on? I don't think so. You would have taken the bashing as Chris did because he had no choice


That's not what you said though is it.

Yes, its exactly what I said.

Are you telling me you stick up for the people who kicked the chunk out of your leg and slashed your throat? Or is that "different"?

Of course I'm no angel
I once got a speeding ticket!
but apart from that chilling debauched crime I've not done anybody any harm illegally
That doesn't make me perfect, it makes me normal because unfortunately for conspiracy theorists out there that's what most people are.
In my humble opinion freedom is a privelege that comes with responsibility,if you are irresponsible and abuse that privelege then you shouldn't be surprised if you lose some of it.
And the mundane task of catching a bus anytime,anywhere should be risk free for all citizens.
They should all be fitted with cctv, sorry if that upsets some people but if I'm unfortunate enough to get a kicking I would at least like the option of a slow motion replay later.

Originally posted by caprice
I totally agree. I know I'd never commit an offence, so I'm not going to go harping on over how offenders still have rights.

Right so I'm to believe you've never done anything wrong in your life........ ok.

I can be pretty sure they wouldn't have bothered me yeah. It sounds as though me and your boyfriend have had a totally different childhood - fighting was an everyday occurrence for me and most of the people I know, which has lead to me growing up knowing how to handle myself. It's also taught me to be very confident about myself so basically I don't tend to get worried when sat on a bus with 8 or so other lads in a gang. If you are confident in yourself people can tell and believe me they tend to leave you alone - I'm sure DaBouncer will be able to vouch for that (as well as the copious amounts of fighting that used to go on in our area and school). I'm not trying to be big headed or anything it's just that I'm used to facing that kind of situation nearly everyday and so I know how to handle it.

By no means am I trying to stick up for the lads who did it, you're right it's disgusting but unfortunately it goes on more often than you think. All I'm trying to point out is that not everyone who has committed a crime is the scum of the earth and shouldn't be treated as such. We all commit crimes at some point even if it's only a tiny one so by your reckoning we should all be locked up and the keys thrown away.

Originally posted by bulldog D
Of course I'm no angel
I once got a speeding ticket!
but apart from that chilling debauched crime I've not done anybody any harm illegally
That doesn't make me perfect, it makes me normal because unfortunately for conspiracy theorists out there that's what most people are.
In my humble opinion freedom is a privelege that comes with responsibility,if you are irresponsible and abuse that privelege then you shouldn't be surprised if you lose some of it.
And the mundane task of catching a bus anytime,anywhere should be risk free for all citizens.
They should all be fitted with cctv, sorry if that upsets some people but if I'm unfortunate enough to get a kicking I would at least like the option of a slow motion replay later.

That's my point exactly, what I was getting at was your quote

"The roads are public highways but you still get banned from driving on them, and anyway I'm not right bothered about the rights of an offender so just call me hard hearted."

You've admitted you're an offender yourself. So is it one rule for some and another for others?

Originally posted by fnkysknky
That's my point exactly, what I was getting at was your quote

"The roads are public highways but you still get banned from driving on them, and anyway I'm not right bothered about the rights of an offender so just call me hard hearted."

You've admitted you're an offender yourself. So is it one rule for some and another for others?

Well actually fnkyskynky no it's not.
I got clocked for speeding ergo I'm in the wrong.
therefore I shut up, admit it's wrong and accept the appropriate punishment, If I'd been innocent I would have fought tooth and nail to reverse that decision but I wasn't so I had the discipline and good grace to accept my mistake.
This was of course years ago,I hasten to had that I'm not an habitual offender and yes I hate speed cameras too just in case anybody thought I'm pushing for cannonisation.
frankly If I commited premeditated crime and was caught for it, I wouldn't blame the judiciary or the police service for throwing the proverbial book in my direction.
does that answer your question my friend

Originally posted by fnkysknky
All I'm trying to point out is that not everyone who has committed a crime is the scum of the earth and shouldn't be treated as such. We all commit crimes at some point even if it's only a tiny one so by your reckoning we should all be locked up and the keys thrown away.

Gangs of thugs that pick on innocent victims to beat the crap out of them can be described as nothing other than scum in my book.

Originally posted by Siân
Hi Caprice - sorry to hear what you and your boyfriend have been through.

It might be worth looking into other alarms (the Lloyds ones although cheap are battery operated) There are ones available that are louder, don't rely on batteries and give off the most foul smell ( truly obnoxious trust me) as well as having ultra violet spray.

The one I've got is a Trident Triple Action Personal Alarm but there may be other brands available.

Trident Alarm (http://www.c-p-p.co.uk/index.php?ecom_siteid=86&product_id=10137&option=Prod_detail)
This (http://www.spytech-uk.com) site may have what you need caprice! Have a good look through whats on offer!:thumbsup:

just what i always wanted :thumbsup:

From ALL Bus drivers we are sorry what happened to your bloke on the route 17:sad:

NO-ONE should have to travel on a bus and have to put up with ANY trouble:mad:

ALL buses in Sheffield should have CCTV on them, however most of them are on the newer buses not the yellow single deckers on route 17, the yellow single deckers that have CCTV are mostly on the route 77&80 due to major problems at High Green.

It is now a MAJOR problem in Sheffield were each night there is a bus out of service due to A.S.B.

If ANYONE see's or suffers a problem they must tell the driver A.S.A.P, if you think it is to dangerous then take the bus fleet number,route number and time you got off and ring the police on 2202020 dont foget to get a crime number!

Also you can ring First South Yorkshire Buses on (01709 566360) and ask for the security department, this department looks after all the CCTV footage that is recorded on a bus.

At present I can tell you that there are undercover police officers that travel on buses after 7pm, most of them are on route 75&76 (High Risk Route) however I hope that this is reviewed.

Please Note: If it was left to the drivers ALL buses would have CCTV on them, however that is up to the power to be:mad:

Sorry Again for what happened Caprice:sad:

Right so I'm to believe you've never done anything wrong in your life........ ok.


fnkysknky,
Yes, believe that, because to my knowledge its true. I've never been in a fight (not even a girly slap fight) neither have I victimised anyone, attacked anyone, stole from anyone, punched anyone, had a speeding ticket, had any sort of restraining orders, been to a police station.... I can't even remember the rest... All I know is I haven't done anything wrong, neither had my boyfriend and you are a fool for thinking you can take on 8 lads.... If you get on the bus thinking your the bomb, just walking on like your the hard man and your on your own I can almost guarantee these thugs will have done to you what they did to Chris.

If fightings what you were brought up to do, then fair enough...hope it helps you one day... But I wasn't brought up to fight. I was told to defend myself (if need be) and I would have defended Chris if I was there.... I'll tell you what I would have done, I would have kicked each and every one of them in the nuts until they were rolling round in pain. Thats what I would have done. Then I'd probably be in a young offenders institution for GBH! Then guess what.... I wouldnt be such of an angel then would i?

Caprice

I'm sorry to hear of what happened, I hope he gets over it soon :thumbsup:

What frustrates me most about the dirty scum who did this is if the roles were reversed, and the Asians got a beating (whether or not they started it or not), they'd have been the first to complain about racism and claim for some compensation :mad:

I think back to what happened with those Leeds footballers, and some information I later received that was probably never mentioned in court... :loopy:

What frustrates me most about the dirty scum who did this is if the roles were reversed, and the Asians got a beating (whether or not they started it or not), they'd have been the first to complain about racism and claim for some compensation

I agree... The police wont touch the scum who did this because they know they'll be up in arms over police racism.



More news on the gang:

My Grandmother's friend was on the number 17 a few weeks ago and she said the driver saw a bunch of asians (around seven or 8 of them) at the bus stop. She was sat at the front of the bus and she heard him mutter "Oh no... I'm not having that lot on the bus" and he drive past them.... They caught him up as the bus pulled up at the traffic lights and they kicked 7 bells out of the bus side. She thinks it could be the same gang, as the driver seemed to reconise them and know they would be nothing but trouble. Shame it wasn't the same driver on saturday night. :mad:

Oh yes, today I was on the bus to 6th form and it was a rubbish old single decker first bus. It was one of the buses used on the 17 route... How odd for me to see a sign stating that CCTV has been installed for the comfort and peace of mind of their passengers. This clearly isn't true. Would there be any point kicking a stink up First claiming to have cameras on buses where there clearly is none?

Caprice - I've been thinking about you and Chris's nightmare incident for the last few days and I want to offer my heartfelt sympathy & best wishes for Chris's speedy recovery and the tracking down of those reponsible.

No-one should have to put up with violent intimidation at any time - unfortunately parents have to teach their kids to give respect to others and the only sure way is by example - it's mostly a case of how you were brought up IMHO.

I was also wondering about CCTV and alternatives - how about this idea - lots of mobile phones are coming with built in cameras - wouldn't it be good to have a 'PANIC' button which sent an SMS photo (of your attacker) to a hotline if you're feeling physically threatened? the hotline could then call you straight back for a password to say you're OK and if not dispatch the police to your assistance? I know it sounds a bit way out but could be doable in the near future?

Anyhow - technology is the way to track down the scumbags - just leaves what to do with them? Anyone who likes fighting should join the army :thumbsup:

Doh! sorry about that - my double-clicking finger was quicker than my brain ;) (been a looong day) :rolleyes:

Thanks Alert_bri :)

He's doing alright, thankfully. To be honest with you, I think he's coped with it a lot better than I have. It's taken a while for me to get to sleep Sunday and Monday nights, as I haven't been there to watch over him, as I was on Saturday night. I've had a big brave face on for Chris, while I've been looking after him and checking up on him, but obviously, being as close as we are, its had an impact on me too. I hardly ate a thing since it happened, but I have managed to scoff a take-away this evening with my Mum :)

Tomorrow's plan is to be as normal as possible with him... I've got to avoid mollycoddling him, which I am guilty of... :rolleyes: So I guess we'll be cooking gingerbread men and snugglig up on the sofa as usual :)

Hi Caprice
before Chris balloons up on a diet of mollycodling and ginger breadmen,although I can't personally think of a worse way to acheive this!
Take a photo of him and think about approaching the C.I.C.B, Criminal Injuries Compensation Board. I was discussing his situation with a friend of mine who occasionaly contributes to this esteemed forum and he thinks he may be eligible for compensation.
A doctor and dentists report wouldn't go amiss either.
He may not want to proceed down this avenue but it might be worth taking a look at. These things take a while to sort out but if you persevere he may get a few bucks out of it.
There are more people go for it than you realise!
Good luck to you both

Yeah I think thats what his Mum's planning to do... I think she's left it a bit late though... We'd have to go all the way back to the a&e for the reports, bck to the docs and back to the dentist aswell as take the photo and get it developed...

Its a good idea what you have put forward and I will suggest it to him, I just don't want to end up in a court fighting for a fiver to buy him some bandages...

Caprice, you can find out more info about claiming from the CICA website which you can find here (https://www.cica.gov.uk/portal/page?_pageid=115,1&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL).

Please not that you can only claim if the w*nkers who did it aren't caught and found guilty - if they are then you seek compensation from them (fat chance!).

CICA will ask you NOT to send photos, although I'd take them anyway and keep them in case you need to appeal a decision further down the line.

You don't need to contact doctors or the hospital as the CICA will do that.

Goo luck, it can be a long and frustrating experience claiming from the CICA but don't give up!

I can't see myself posting my thoughts on this topic without losing my temper, as this is the sort of thing that really does make my blood boil.

£1.99 personal alarms? Try CS Gas. I think that will more than send them on their way, believe me (I've been sprayed by it).

I used to live in Firth Park, I have a feeling I might be able to help with this.

Caprice- I've PM'd you.

Get caught with CS gas though and it's a firearms offence :(

I'd rather take my chances and prevent having my face piled in.

There are more legal ways than carrying CS Gas mate.

Buy a travel sized can of Deep Heat spray (about the size of a CS gas canister). Deep Heat in the eyes is a real painful experience, plus if you get caught carrying it.... ''what officer, I suffer from sore muscles''. :D

Are the telescopic batons, as used by security and police forces, illegal? I suppose they're classed as an offensive weapon. It's a shame if they are, because I think it'd be good for self defence.

Haha good one DB... and thanks for the PM Gaz B, reply has been sent... :)

Originally posted by jackthedog
Are the telescopic batons, as used by security and police forces, illegal? I suppose they're classed as an offensive weapon. It's a shame if they are, because I think it'd be good for self defence.
Security (no matter what sector) are not allowed to carry batons.
Not even community support officers carry batons. Only the police service are allowed. Believe me, if they were allowed I'd have one on the door!

I'm not surprised, in your line of work i'm sure they'd be handy!

I have heard that there is a spray called X-Marker that is susposed to be legal in this country.

You can find it on the site I posted earlier. Doesn't sting or owt, just turns the skin blue for up to 3 days. Fills up the face like moose too!

Have a look see!

Originally posted by DaBouncer
Security (no matter what sector) are not allowed to carry batons.
Not even community support officers carry batons. Only the police service are allowed. Believe me, if they were allowed I'd have one on the door!
No use on the door DB but I always used to have a heavy gauge steering wheel lock in the car which expanded to a fair length on a ratchet - would have made a very nasty substitute for a baton - although I'm more in favour of avoiding violence you have to be ready to defend yourself and think the unthinkable sometimes :mad:

Originally posted by alert_bri
I always used to have a heavy gauge steering wheel lock in the car which expanded to a fair length on a ratchet - would have made a very nasty substitute for a baton
It would also be very nasty if the robber managed to over power you and use it on yourself... don't forget that ;)

absolutely take your point - reminds me of something I heard along the lines that in most cases US home owners were being shot with their own handguns! when disturbing robbers!

I'd rather not be in the situation in the first place :)