HORRIFIED RSPCA chiefs were last night trying to track down the thugs who hanged this dalmatian pup from a tree.
The six-month-old dog was found dangling from a blue nylon rope tied 15ft up a tree.

It is a horrific picture that will cause distress to many readers.

But The Sun is printing it at the RSPCA’s request to help track down the sadists responsible.

We are also offering a £5,000 reward for information.

The appalling spectacle of the lifeless puppy confronted a teenager at Cudworth Welfare Park in Barnsley, South Yorks, last Thursday.

The rope had been tied to upper branches of a silver birch and a noose put around the dog’s neck.

A dalmatian pup costs at least £300. But this one was not wearing a collar and had not been reported missing.

The link for the picture is here http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005470238,00.html

These b******ds want hanging instead of this poor pup that did nothing wrong!!! :rant: :rant:

I couldnt bear to look at the photo. :(

I posted on this at 2.45 in the rspca= useless thread

PT

its things like this what really destroy my faith in human nature , i was going to suggest that they do the same to the ******** who did it but im sure some limp wristed do gooder will defend them:rant:

Originally posted by Plain Talker
I posted on this at 2.45 in the rspca= useless thread

PT

I did look at that thread, must have missed it.

Originally posted by panda79
its things like this what really destroy my faith in human nature , i was going to suggest that they do the same to the ******** who did it but im sure some limp wristed do gooder will defend them:rant:

Couldnt agree more panda :rant:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005470238,00.html

oh my god!! what the fock is wrong wi the world!!

This is really upsetting. Someone saw this as fun.

Should the Star have printed the picture on the front page?

vote here: -

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64705

I'm not going to look at the article or photo - I know it would be too upsetting.

How can anyone calling themselves humans do something like this? :loopy:

What sick, sick people there are crawling around our planet.

This is abhorrent. I can't understand why anybody would find such a thing funny. What's wrong with people today?

I saw a program about Dalmation breeders once, they kill the pups if they don't have enough spots, or they have a genetic defect (caused by selective breeding) that makes them deaf.

So this isn't that shocking realy.

This is truly shocking. I hope they catch the evil barsteward that was responsible and keep him/her locked up in isolation for the rest of his/her natural life. In reality, he/she will probably just get a suspended sentence and poxy fine.

Nick2, sorry I have to wholeheartedly disagree with you. If someone does not want a pup there are reasonable courses of action - re-homing, shelters, rspca etc.

To subject an innocent puppy to such a vile act is beyond cruel IMHO.

I hope the pup was dead before they did that, i like to think so anyhow !

Unfortunately, hels, I think this sounds more like "sadistic B***s" than "getting shot of a pup they don't want."

A dalmo can be a very expensive breed, so i would not think someone would willingly pay out hundreds of punds to buty a prdigree dog and then strin g the poor little beggar up.

It's 6 months old, this pup. So it's been in the heart of a family, supposedly...

It's been described on the news as "the act of a psychopath".

I agree wholeheartedly.


And i'd be tempted to psychopath the B***s that did this, TBH.

PT

Some human beings never fail to disgust me that has absolutely made my blood boil! How could someone do such a thing, the poor pup! Kind of wish i hadn't looked now as i can't get the image out of my head, not sure if i personally agree to it been on the front page as i am sure many people (and children) will feel very upset by the image but if it helps to track down the morons that did this then i am behind it 10000000%

I would like to get hold of them and poke there eyes out with a shi*ty stick!

x

Originally posted by Hels
Nick2, sorry I have to wholeheartedly disagree with you.

I was just saying that hundreds of Dalmations get killed every year just because they arn't what the customer wants, I actually think that is worse than what has happened here.

It's an awful story and a truly disgusting crime, I seriously hope this thug (thugs) get caught soon.

It remonds me of books I have read in connection with Serial Killers and profiling their actions.
It goes into detail how serial killers (most) start off by killing animals in this way and then moving on to humans.

Not saying this will be the case, but the same sort of sick mind would find this crime funny.

My only worry is when they're caught, what will happen? 6 months inside? That's a joke. They want convicting as if they did this to a person.

You honestly think that they would get as long as that, DaBouncer?

Nah... a slapped wrist and a safari, at most, I'd reckon.

PT

Originally posted by Plain Talker
You honestly think that they would get as long as that, DaBouncer?

Nah... a slapped wrist and a safari, at most, I'd reckon.

PT
Exactly PT.
It makes me sick. I mean a puppy, all it wants to do is give love?

Honestly I ****ing hate animal cruelty :mad:

Somewhere in the Oxford English Dictionary there is a word to describe this scum. Haven't found it yet though. This appears to be so premeditated that it goes beyond being 'on the spur of the moment', or 'a lark'.

These scum are the filth of the earth. A puppy for Christ's sake!!

There's another thread on here about 'If killing someone was legal'. In this case it should be. This act must have taken ages to set up. Sick, disgusting, inhuman, evil. No, still no words to describe it fully.

There are no smilies on here strong enough to express my feelings about this either.

Come to think of it, if these scum are caught and have an 'accident' whilst in detention then I for one won't be offering any blame to the police.

Originally posted by Plain Talker
Unfortunately, hels, I think this sounds more like "sadistic B***s" than "getting shot of a pup they don't want."

A dalmo can be a very expensive breed, so i would not think someone would willingly pay out hundreds of punds to buty a prdigree dog and then strin g the poor little beggar up.

It's 6 months old, this pup. So it's been in the heart of a family, supposedly...

It's been described on the news as "the act of a psychopath".

I agree wholeheartedly.


And i'd be tempted to psychopath the B***s that did this, TBH.

PT


This would be - for me anyway - one of my two reasons to kill. What use to society, is ANYONE that can do this to ANYTHING? Get rid of the b*s*t*d*s once and for all. Blast them off the face of the planet.
And my other reason is my kids. Any hurt to them would get the same treatment.
Im not a vindictive or cruel person - just one that like to see justice done.

I seen this story in the sun this morning and at tea time in the star . it upset me no end being a dog lover my partner could not even look at the photo these morons need to be caught as soon as possible just think this poor dog thought it was going on a nice walk on a nice day when in fact it was going to be killed in a horrific way the poor thing lets hope these low-life get cought before they do it again

:o I'm not a huge dog lover, I don't have ny of my own, but they seem nice enough creatures, but anyone who would do such a thing in my books deserve hanging themselves :mad: nasty people.

exactly , if there no good to society give them a needle to finish them off!, trouble nowadays they get nice treatment when really i just think, thy are a bloody nutter!

I hope that by publishing the photo it will turn enough people's stomachs to make them come forward and point out that a 6 month old dalmatian has recently disappeared from their area. I hope the person(s) that did this evil thing are tracked down and reviled by society. The punishment should fit the crime but I agree with others, that it won't.

well, you probably all know i'm a dally lover so this shocked me even more than the acts of cruelty that you hear about all the time...

Nick2, the culling of dalmatians by breeders is in line with the British Dalmatian Club and is humane- I'm not saying I agree with it but it's only condoned for totally deaf puppies, unilateral puppies are found homes, but bilaterally deaf puppies are culled 'in the interest of the breed' it's a genetic fault and if these dogs are bred they could end up with more deaf puppies, also, a lot of dogs end up in rescue because people didn't realise how difficult deaf dogs are.

So that's the facts on that, spots don't matter for anything.

Ok, that dog, from what I could see, wouldn't have been a brilliant show dog as far as markings are concerned, and if someone bought him in an attempt to show him and found him to be no use, then possibly that's the reason. But, who knows it was the owners, that puppy may have been in his garden and been stolen and hanged. I know it says he wasn't reported missing, but you never know.

But, spots are only the icing on the cake for showing dals, they go more on movement and conformation.

this is disgusting, I'm just so glad I've got my dally puppy laying on my feet and I know where she is.

I agree with saxon, haven't yet found the words for these people.

How can anybody walk away from a puppy crying in such pain and know that it will die a horrible, painful death - I cry when I have to leave my puppy shut in the kitchen and she cries waiting for me to come back.

I also feel extremely sorry for the teenager who found him. I can't imagine that.

And, I do almost hope that it was the owners that did this, because I can't imagine finding out that my puppy was stolen and hanged.

I'm not sure it was because they didn't want him any longer, PT, dalmatian puppies are snapped up so quickly, a six month old dog puppy would have been so easy to sell on/rehome.

Why wont this post delete already

I hope the b*stards that did this are caught, get sent down, buggered by 10 men in prison and then hung to die in the same way that this beautiful, defenceless dog was.

Utter scum.

Originally posted by DaBouncer
They want convicting as if they did this to a person.
Exactly right. Why should an animals life be worth any less than a humans? We are all equal creatures in God's eyes.

I'm horrified that people could do this to an animal, and I'd like ten minutes on my own in a room with them whilst carrying a big stick with a nail in the end. :|

Forum regulars know I don't normally condone violence, but in this case I'd make an exception.

Incidentally, I'm also horrified that it's 'acceptable' to cull deaf puppies. I can see that it would be unwise to breed dogs with a genetic defect, but why not neater them and give them away? I couldn't kill a deaf puppy any more than I could kill a deaf baby.

Mod note: I realise this is an emotive subject guys, but please watch your language on here. I'm sure you can all find ways of expressing yourselves eloquently without using expletives. Ta

Kristian,

I have had this argument with the powers that be at the BDC. I haven't joined the BDC because I couldn't tick the box to say I agree.

However, the reasons given are...

it's in the interest of the breed. hopefully, eventually deaf dogs will not be born.
i gave the same argument about neutering, however, you can't neuter a dog until it's 6 months of age, therefore you can't be certain the new owners will and it's not practical to keep a dog until it's possible to neuter it and then sell it on.
People all too often take them on and don't realise they can be aggressive/frightened etc. and they end up in rescues.

These are the main three reasons but other answers were given, I will try and dig out the link to where I posted it on the BDC forum.

I can understand where they're coming from, but would have to seriously consider this before choosing to breed my bitch if ever I was in a position to do so.

I hope this clears it up a little, it seems so harsh, but after going over and over it with the BDC, it does seem the most 'efficient' and practical method sadly.

I am exceptionally concerned that no one has reported this baby missing......... why not ???

Also there has to be someone local to where the little soul lived that has seen it - a dalmation puppy is ver distinctive !!
Surely a neighbour will report the absence ?


give me 5 minutes with these people....just 5

The thread on the RSPCA and it's inspectors in made even more relevant by this incident .

Unfortunately this in not an isolated case, just one that has hit the media. The people who commit these crimes are sick, the very same people who would have no problem doing the same sort of thing to a child or OAP. Only differnce is the penalty.. life imprisonment murder or torture of a person - 3 months (maybe even suspended) for an animal. The great British Justice system?

Like Kristian I am a totally non violent person but agree totally that the evil person responsible for this torture should be subjected to some of what he has given out. It might not be right but hell never did anyone deserve a little 'rough justice' than this piece of filth.

I am also appauled by the comments regarding dog breeders. The Kennel Club the world over has been responsible for some of the most disgusting practices which are totally without defence. They not only breed dogs with the correct amount of spots...they have to be the correct colour, correct coat length size etc ..the list is endless. They breed dogs with faces so flat they cannot breath properly, they mutilate puppies at birth by chopping off tails etc without any anaesthetic ...
How the devil can anyone say they are 'humanely culled'. When was KILLING THEM ever humane. It is not the puppy's fault it is born deaf. More the fault of those motivated by greed who turn out one litter after another.

Anyway..back to the point. I dearly hope the Sun are sucessful in finding this person. we need to support the RSPCA and its campaign for the new Animal Welfare Bill. Hopefully this will also include much more control over dog breeders as well

wow,

POB1 - the kennel club have very specific breed standards, yes. however, they don't cull any dog because of the markings.
and no dalmatian is ever culled because of having the 'wrong number of spots'

I have to stress, dalmatians are really the only breed I know much about in the standard but you can show a dalmatian with not very many, or a few too many spots if it has good movement, conformation etc. THE SPOTS DON'T COUNT - they're the icing on the cake :)

I understand your frustration, I was so angry when I found out about culling deaf puppies, however, no deaf puppy is due to the breeder being irresponsible. It is something that happens in some litters.

The thing is, whilst I'm not sure I could do it, what is more responsible, breeding a litter which has one maybe two deaf puppies in, you either cull them according to BDC standards, or you break the rules and sell them on.

Do you tell the owners they're deaf, do they still want them - do they get the puppy and then find out that it's harder work than they ever imagined so stick it in a rescue.
I'm being as hard hearted as I can possibly get as I find it so difficult to condone too. And I don't fully. I suppose you have to look at the lesser of the two evils. Is it better to hope that they'll find a good home, or not worry about it... I still can't answer it because I hate the thought of having them pts but I can see the BDC's argument.

oh also,

it's not the KC that stipulates deaf puppies must be put down.

The only thing the Kennel Club does is stipulate what the breed standards are for showing, not for pets only.

It's the British Dalmatian Club - BDC - that stipulate the culling of deaf puppies, and it's the breeders who breed dogs with breathing problems etc. They were bred for a purpose generations ago and that is when the health problems started.

The only thing a responsible breeder can do is minimize the risk of these health problems occuring.
ie. dalmatians are prone to arthritis, deafness - the white coat - and bladder stones. Therefore, any dog that had had problems with bladder stones, or wasn't hip scored well, shouldn't be bred from. Only puppy buyers can then try and help this along by not buying from a breeder who didn't health check, or hearing test their dogs before mating.

I do believe that it's the KC that stipulates certain breeds such as doberman pinschers have their tails docked. Personally, I love dobermans but I don't know if I could have a show dog because of having their tails docked, their are dobermans around with long tails, they look very odd, but there are.

Also, I believe the reason they don't have anaesthetic, is because it's more dangerous to put a small puppy under anaesthetic than it is to dock it's tail without it.
It's like, they remove the dew claws without anaesthetic, but they say it doesn't hurt puppies that small. I don't know because I've never been a small puppy.

so whilst I don't agree with a lot of the things, I'm just trying to put forward another point of view.

On the deaf puppies thing, the breeder I originally went to, before going to Tafuta dalmatians and ESS and getting my puppy, refused to have the puppy I was going to get hearing tested. She said, if she had her hearing tested and she was bilaterally deaf she'd have to have her put down whereas if she didn't hearing test her, she wouldn't have that worry.

However, would she have then sold me a bilaterally deaf puppy - I don't know if I could have coped quite honestly.

I am sickened - twice over.

I cannot begin to describe how I feel about this poor pup, having spent yesterday evening being jumped all over by one the same age, who was more than the owner could handle.

This was a puppy full of beans, and determined to share it's exuberance with everybody else it could get near (and perhaps thought that Brude should share his treats :hihi: ). It was tall and elegant, and affectionate, shrugging off the barking from it's owner and the violent jerking of it's lead every time it was allowed enough length to demand attention from it's neighbours, just wagging it's tail at 'mum' and gazing up lovingly.

This was a faithful and trusting animal, and I've no doubt the deceased pup was no different. It won't have travelled to this park with it's tail between it's legs - it will have strutted there with it's head held high, showing off it's beautiful coat and prancing proudly along - enjoying the walk.

How often has this pup been tied up outside a shop? Was it expecting to wait a few minutes and receive a treat? Did it sit patiently whilst it's throat was tied in this noose? Did it lick the face of it's killer and wag it's tail happily only moments before it drew it's last choking breath?


And I hope nobody here bought the newspaper that is doing nothing more than profiteering from this abomination :rant:

This photo is not going to catch any criminals. It's not a CCTV shot. The culprits are not there to identify - so this is just plain sick

hope the evil B******ds who did this die a long, slow agonising,tortured death and the burn in hell.EVIL.

I'd also like to express my disgust and contempt towards the cruel ******** that hung a dog and left it to die. Such inhumane sickos should feel the full weight of the law, but unfortunately I imagine they'll, at best, spend a month or 2 in prison enjoying some pool and table tennis at the taxpayers' expense. Why do these sickos always seem to be from Barnsley anyway? If I recall correctly, the cat that got baked was also Barnsley based, and several other cases of animal cruelty in Barnsley have been reported in the Star.

Originally posted by t020
I'd also like to express my disgust and contempt towards the cruel ******** that hung a dog and left it to die. Such inhumane sickos should feel the full weight of the law, but unfortunately I imagine they'll, at best, spend a month or 2 in prison enjoying some pool and table tennis at the taxpayers' expense. Why do these sickos always seem to be from Barnsley anyway? If I recall correctly, the cat that got baked was also Barnsley based, and several other cases of animal cruelty in Barnsley have been reported in the Star.

Is there really that little to do in Barnsley?

Joking aside, this is a sickening act and I hope the scrotebags responsible get everything coming to them - they deserve nothing less than an equal fate, people would start being a lot more obedient if the punishments were more fitting to the crimes.

well answered!
The spots thing wasn't to be taken literally! But I'm sure you follow with what I mean about breed standards, historically breeds have been made to look like they do today by selective 'culling'. The wrong coat colour for example would have been 'outbreed' by 'culling' any puupies that did not conform to the standard... boxers and Alsatians are good examples.
If i'm not mistaken the deafness will be a genetic trait so surely if there is any history of deafness in a line breeding from this line should be discontinued?
Personally I think if you really must breed from a dog ( or any other animal for that matter) you must be prepared to take responsibility for you actions including the possibility of what happens if any young are born 'imperfect' . This responsibility does not include dumping the problem on animal shelters, which some breeders do ( not saying you would!!) . I recently heard of a 'breeder' who was selling a litter of Alsatian puppies,
one was returned by the purchaser because it had a badly undershot jaw, the breeder joked about it and said he wouldnt have it put to sleep,( presumably because he would have had to pay for this) better to dump it outside the RSPCA.

So what it means in my view is - the breeder is responsible and should always be willing to accept a puppy if it is returned later, they should also be prepared to keep one if for whatever reason it can't be sold. People try to make the action of killing sound more acceptable by calling it other things like 'put to sleep' etc etc but it is killing all the same..so its got to be cruelty.

People who make the choice to bring new life into this world should learn to respect life first. They do not have any moral right to destroy life simply because it isn't perfect.

The argument over tail docking and other mutilations is totally indefensible and it is not worth getting into the argument of whether or not anaesthetic should be used. Maybe if the perpetrators were to try it on their own extremities first they might think twice?

Ive just seen the picture in the SUN having heard the story every hour today on the radio. It needed to be printed and hopefully someone will come forward - even if just for the money - I understand exactly what Strix is saying but maybe someone will recognise the dog, saw it being taken to the place, maybe recognise the people who had it. It may convince them to come forward, thats all you can possibly hope for. Everything else you said was so right, there are ******** out there who beat their dogs every day and at the end of it the poor creature will still lick it's 'masters' face.

I looked at this picture and feel ashamed to be part of the human race.

" I recall correctly, the cat that got baked was also Barnsley based, and several other cases of animal cruelty in Barnsley have been reported in the Star."

RSPCA figures seem to indicate that South Yorkshire is one of the worst area's for cruelty it the country.

You are quite right...Barnsley seems to be a particularly bad area. It also seems to be the "Capitol" of the Badger baiting, dog fighting, rabbiting fraternity.

'You can't educate pork' is how the saying goes, I believe :rolleyes:

evil scumbags, and not one had a heart to go and get the puppy down.
i have wanted to post since hearing about this yesterday, but have bit my tongue, as i would have only posted a bunch of swear words.
there is nothing else that i can put in a sentence along side these people.
i didnt eat yesterday having seen this picture, and stopped crying after a couple of hours.
the only way im getting past this is to belive there is a hell, and knowing thats where these people who did this are going to burn.
how, how, how could they do this?

Hi POB1,

I'm only following this through because I believe you want to know, if not tell me to shut up!

I'm not sure about the culling, quite possibly it was the case, but I think it was probably a lot of 'unnatural selection' lol.

There are dalmatians born today that do not meet breed standards, if you were to breed that dalmatian with another that didn't meet the standards you'd have a 'bad litter' so breeders don't.

Any responsible breeder (puppy farms not included of course) would choose a stud that would compliment their bitch. Therefore, carrying on the breed.

As for the genetic trait. Takara is from dalmark and konavlje lines. I'm sure that somewhere along the line, there was deaf puppy in each of these lines. But you just don't breed that puppy.
The only way you can minimize the risk of a totally deaf puppy is by having both sire and dam hearing tested and refusing to breed any dog not tested normal.

The trouble is, a lot of people don't hearing test their animals, and as a result may have bred from a unilaterally deaf dog. This would (I think) increase the chance of having bilaterally deaf puppies.

However, a genetic mutation, isn't necessarily hereditary. If it is only apparent in body cells and not in sex cells, then it is just a mutation that happens and isn't necessarily passed on. I don't know what the case is with deafness.

I'm afraid I have to agree with Strix.
I for one couldn't bring myself to look at the picture, but, printing the picture in the paper will only encourage other lowlife to carry out the same kind of atrocities.
Copycat incidents are all too frequent and causing suffering to defenceless creatures seems to be a way of life for some people.
Name and shame is a good idea.
Prison does get them off the streets, all be it temporarily.

I agree as far as, what good could it do posting that picture?

Of course someone might recognise the dog, but it's a dalmatian! There aren't that many about in Barnsley or Sheffield!

So it did no good printing the picture it's just for the people who like to spread gossip and somehow enjoy seeing pictures like this...

Do we have any updates on this?
Suspects? Anything?

Rather than arguing about show breed dalmations and whether or not the pic should be shown (whats done is done now) maybe our efforts should be concentrated on that which matters? I.e. Finding the sicko(s) that did this :rant:

I am not the greatest fan of the media (to put it mildly).
However I believe if they hadn't shown that sickening image, we would not be talking about it right now. If the Star had only carried the story (without the photo) it would not have carried half as much weight as it did.

Whether they printed it purely for "sensationalism" remains to be seen. But by printing it, what they did was make everyone determined to catch these lowlifes. No matter how they described the scene, I firmly believe it would have been "brushed over" after a while if we did not have that awful image at the front of our minds.

A couple of years ago i was walking my dog in the woods near the springwood pub (The Manor Estate , Sheffield) and found a cat in the same 'strung up' position that the dalmation was in, and it had been there a while, i got straight onto the RSPCA and they came out and removed it. not before taking pictures for their campaign against cruelty. needless to say i heard nothing more and the photos were not published, does it take a particular breed or type of animal to make it to the front page?

walt disney has alot to answer for.

cruelty happens all the time and to any breed of dog. i now have a 6 month old puppy and am sickened by such cruelty again and again
(its supposed to be a jack russel but thats another story)

it would nt suprise me if some one is showing some one else a phone video clip of this being done? report them if they do!!

I'm sorry dabouncer,

I wasn't arguing, just it came up through puppies being killed.

I didn't want to start a thread on breed standards as it seemed pointless so thought I'd just clear it up on here. Sorry I offended you.

If there had been any news, I'm sure my posts about dalmatians hadn't put anyone off from posting it here!

Actually, SWFC00 - that's a good point!

It wouldn't have got the same attention as it has (or at least I don't think so)

sazaboo - I can't imagine finding that - It must have been horrible *hug*

Apparently the RSPCA 'begged' the papers to print it - I'm sure I read that in the sun yesterday.
They wanted it printed to prompt emotion, & anger, hopefully this would cause someone to either confess or turn in the culprit(s)

Originally posted by sazaboo
A couple of years ago i was walking my dog in the woods near the springwood pub (The Manor Estate , Sheffield) and found a cat in the same 'strung up' position that the dalmation was in, and it had been there a while, i got straight onto the RSPCA and they came out and removed it. not before taking pictures for their campaign against cruelty. needless to say i heard nothing more and the photos were not published, does it take a particular breed or type of animal to make it to the front page?

walt disney has alot to answer for.

cruelty happens all the time and to any breed of dog. i now have a 6 month old puppy and am sickened by such cruelty again and again
(its supposed to be a jack russel but thats another story)

it would nt suprise me if some one is showing some one else a phone video clip of this being done? report them if they do!!

I agree that it shouldn't matter what kind of animal it was, and certainly not that what breed of dog it was. A life is a life, regardless of whether or not it was deliberately bred for the profit of exploitative breeders.

What a totally cruel and horrible thing to do. What sort of mind would a person have to have to do such a thing?

I can't bear to look at the photo. Just thinking of the agony the poor defenceless pup went through is enough to give anyone nightmares. If there is any justice in this world, whoever is responsible will suffer the same fate one day.

Originally posted by dinp
.....this is a sickening act and I hope the scrotebags responsible get everything coming to them - they deserve nothing less than an equal fate, people would start being a lot more obedient if the punishments were more fitting to the crimes.

So, dinp, as you are suggesting an equal fate for the culprits, can I ask if you'll be the first in the queue to strangle them? Your avatar suggests that you might?

For the record - I have reported my concerns about your avatar to the Mods. I personally don't think that a moving depiction of a human being strangled is a suitable avatar. But whilst we can all condemn the culprits of this appalling act of cruelty, let's not worry about where such "scrotebags" might get their twisted ideas from, shall we.

So I take it that we're all veggies then...

Would we be as outraged if a chicken had been strung up? Or a pig? Or a sheep?

Just wondered...

Originally posted by chickmonk
So I take it that we're all veggies then...

Would we be as outraged if a chicken had been strung up? Or a pig? Or a sheep?

Just wondered...

Don't think many people keep those as house pets !

Oh so it's only cruelty if the animal is cute! Right, understand now...

Mind you, some people keep spiders, be careful where you step!

Originally posted by chickmonk
Oh so it's only cruelty if the animal is cute! Right, understand now...

Mind you, some people keep spiders, be careful where you step!
My word this is getting tedious.
If you people want to argue about stringing up chickens and pigs then please start your own thread and stop moving this one off topic.

This thread relates to the story in question, can we keep it that way please?

I didn't realise there was much more to say.

No one on here seems to know anything about this case. We all agree that it's not great to string a dog up by the neck (we all knew that before, surely), so what else would you like to discuss?

The strength of feeling about this dog makes me wonder whether people would feel the same if the animal was not a dalmation pup.

But carry on... I'm sure we can come up with plenty more ways to describe how appauling it is...

Originally posted by chickmonk
I didn't realise there was much more to say.

No one on here seems to know anything about this case. We all agree that it's not great to string a dog up by the neck (we all knew that before, surely), so what else would you like to discuss?

The strength of feeling about this dog makes me wonder whether people would feel the same if the animal was not a dalmation pup.

But carry on... I'm sure we can come up with plenty more ways to describe how appauling it is...
Well if you don't like it start your own thread.

No need for aggression!

Apologies for trying to steer this thread towards (what IMO would be) an interesting debate...

(oh and tactful edit by the way)

Originally posted by chickmonk
(oh and tactful edit by the way)
Thought it best.
It's obviously an emotive subject and one which doesn't require moving in another direction.

It can easily be debated by offering suggestions for helping to catch those involved.
I was going to say would it be worth starting a catch em fund that people can donate to, which will increase the £5k reward currently offered to something bigger.

That's a little aggressive to Chickmonk don't ya think DaBouncer? I thought these threads had moderators to remind people that this is about discussing views and opinions, not a vehicle for being abusive to someone who disagrees with your point of view.

I've been following the thread with intrest and it seems to me that this is not, as described, a "discussion" forum, but a means for people to repeat over and over again how outrageous this hienous act is.

Having said that, someone who shows outward aggression is no better than the perverts who have strung the puppy up.

In my humble opinion, a mindless act of aggression is, after all, a mindless act of aggression, where ever it comes from and who (or what) ever is on the recieving end of it, be it dog, cat, or human.

grinboy thank you for joining the thread, tarring me with the same brush as people who string up puppies and for keeping up with the topic :roll:

Feel free to offer some form of relevant contribution in connection with the topic at hand when you're ready.

Originally posted by DaBouncer
Thought it best.
It's obviously an emotive subject and one which doesn't require moving in another direction.

It can easily be debated by offering suggestions for helping to catch those involved.
I was going to say would it be worth starting a catch em fund that people can donate to, which will increase the £5k reward currently offered to something bigger.

i was going to suggest that myself you can count on a donation from me , not read the sun today but im sure some of the sun readers will have donated as well

Terrible as this is, I see more shocking stuff happening to humans everyday. Not belittling this just can't get quite as upset about it as others evidently do.

So on topic then... *salutes*

dreadful, yes
Catch them, yes (doubt you will by the way)
No, they won't get locked up for life or get the death penalty
No, they won't go on safari either.

Culling deaf dalmations - (I thought that was quite an interesting topic), can see the point but seems a tad cruel.

Oh yes and string up the do-gooders!! ho hum

Ok DaBouncer, have it your way.

Rant rant rant, rave rave rave, evil people, rant rant rant, rave rave rave,dead puppies, rant rant rant, rave rave rave so cute, rant rant rant, rave rave raveshouldn't be allowed, rant a bit more, use foul language, call the perpetrators names, rant rant rant, rave rave rave agree how bad it is, shouldn't be allowed, the electic chair would be too good for them, lock them up in a 2'x2' cell with a soiled blanket for the rest of their days, rant rant rant, rave rave rave hanging's too good for them, etc ad infinitum.

I'm a meat eating animal lover (I'm definitely not a veggie chickmonk) with 2 cats (I'd never eat the cats in case anyone gets hold of the wrong end of the stick). If this happened to either of my 2 babies i would, realistically be upset, and might even cry, however .............

ranting and raving and telling people to start their own [expletive deleted] thread don't solve the issue. That's all I was getting at.

Originally posted by chickmonk
Some stuff chickmonk wrote... :P
I read in the paper today that the maximum penalty they can receive is 6 months in prison and £2000 fine.

To me this is incredibly low and in need of addressing.
It's also terrible that the judge trying the case (if they get found) wouldn't hand out a max jail term and if he/she did they'd be out in 3 months provided good behavious ensued.

I'd prefer to impose some of my own "mindless aggression" on them as an alternative to be honest.

Originally posted by grinboy
ranting and raving and telling people to start their own [expletive deleted] thread don't solve the issue. That's all I was getting at.
And I agree, hence the reason for my rethink and tactful removal of said expletive well before your "contribution".

It's unfair to the OP and not really helpful when topics go off on a tangent when they're as emotive as this one because the original subject matter tends to get lost. I've been around here 2+ years and have seen it happen hundreds of time.

So without wanting to sound like a broken record yes please start your own thread if you want the topic to move in another direction... if you dont mind please sir ;)

And with that I'll end that part there and hopefully get this topic back on track.

Originally posted by DaBouncer
I read in the paper today that the maximum penalty they can receive is 6 months in prison and £2000 fine.

To me this is incredibly low and in need of addressing.
It's also terrible that the judge trying the case (if they get found) wouldn't hand out a max jail term and if he/she did they'd be out in 3 months provided good behavious ensued.

I'd prefer to impose some of my own "mindless aggression" on them as an alternative to be honest.

im sure that if and when the persons responsible are caught and convicted some more justice will be handed out long after any fine or spell in prison

Gosh, you really are very bossy DaBouncer. You are not the OP either I notice...

Doesn't seem like many others are contributing anyway, does it?

And I think that by bringing in the subject of jail terms for criminals you are also taking this topic off-track, are you not?

(6 months jail is probably accurate, by the way)

Originally posted by panda79
im sure that if and when the persons responsible are caught and convicted some more justice will be handed out long after any fine or spell in prison
I sincerely hope so panda.
Maybe with how heavily publicised this crime has been the powers that be can review current laws on animal cruelty and arrange for more suitable punishments to fir the crime.

I bow to your experience, social awareness, and superior intellect. I'm just the new boy and will do as i'm told i guess.

I do think a £2000 fine is way off the mark. It should be much much higher than that, depending on income obviously (why fine someone who earns £millions the same as someone on benefits. I know its off topic but it is a little bug bear of mine and I needed to get it off my chest. My humble apologies)

Anyway ................ back on track, ......... 6 months in prison would be fine I would say and not too low when you compare it with sentences handed out for violent offences against humans (at the risk of moving away from topic, which i realise has been set at "lets slag the evil wrongdoers off and not discuss it further").

Yes, I know its murder and you get life for murder, but this is a dog for goodness sake. BEFORE I GET ATTACKED IT IS VERY WRONG TO KILL DOGS, CATS, PEOPLE, AND ANYONE CALLED DABOUNCER. But lets have some perspective peeps!

Originally posted by chickmonk
Gosh, you really are very bossy DaBouncer. You are not the OP either I notice...

Doesn't seem like many others are contributing anyway, does it?

And I think that by bringing in the subject of jail terms for criminals you are also taking this topic off-track, are you not?

(6 months jail is probably accurate, by the way)
No the subject matter remains the same since we're discussing this particular crime and the max punishment that this particular crime brings thus being still relevant to the topic.

Much more than hanging chickens and pigs.

Am I bossy? Well on topics such as this I get very passionate about it yes and quite angry too. It's upsetting on so many levels.

I find myself in agreement with DaBouncer on this one. There is really no need to start discussing cruelty to pigs, sheep, cows, chickens, horses, ponies, deer, etc.

This topic is set aside for discussing the cruelty to one particular puppie, so lets keep it that way.

Grinboy: Perhaps when you have posted a little more than 17 posts you will have worked out how the forum works, and then perhaps people might listen to you when you come in and start slagging off other users?

Beating people up?
Administration of "rough" justice?
an eye for an eye and a beating for a dog hanger?

At the risk of sounding like a do gooder (which I am definitely NOT) isn't this a bit like stooping to their level?

Are we not supposed to be better than that?

Originally posted by grinboy
Another load of tosh written by someone obviously having lost his plot in life....
grinboy your obvious attempt at humour is mind blowing.
Have you ever thought of becoming a stand up comedian?

If you want to have a personal attack then please have the decency to do it via PM or in person otherwise... pretty please... move on with the subject at hand because you're boring me ;)

My apologies. I didn't realise that only having 17 posts meant I was without an opinion. How many posts do I have to make before I become a member of your sad little flog em and hang em club.

I know you're not bothered, and I know I won't be missed, but I'm off.

You are welcome to your closed little club.

Hope the mods are watching and can see how intimidating you are to new users.

Ta-ra everyone.

Mod. Note

Whilst appreciating this is an emotive topic, can we save the bile for the topic in hand and not each other.

Please lay off the name calling.

Joe

The duplicity of human nature never ceases to astound me.

"string the b******s up who did this"

"no, string the b******s up who want to string the b******s up who did this"

Clearly, intimidation and violence is the answer, and will solve all the world's problems.

From the perspective of the injured party, what difference does it matter how it was killed, it's dead all the same, no matter if it was hung, or 'culled' because it didn't have the required spots, or killed for food, or killed for it's fur.

I don't think it matters to the animal, exactly why it was killed.

Is it concern for the animal that is upsetting people here, or shock and anger, at the behaviour of our fellow human beings?

Or is more about who has the last say?

Originally posted by Avalon
I find myself in agreement with DaBouncer on this one. There is really no need to start discussing cruelty to pigs, sheep, cows, chickens, horses, ponies, deer, etc.

This topic is set aside for discussing the cruelty to one particular puppie, so lets keep it that way.

Grinboy: Perhaps when you have posted a little more than 17 posts you will have worked out how the forum works, and then perhaps people might listen to you when you come in and start slagging off other users?

Just because someone's only posted 17 times doesn't mean they haven't followed the Forum.

I have more posts, but am unsure what is meant by 'worked out how the forum works'.
Does this mean we all have to agree with people who have 'been on here 2 years' or the (huge number by the way) who think it's terrible that a puppy is strung up but that its fine to go round beating people up????

I think that the reason you are offended by my (slight) change of topic is that it makes you uncomfortable about the inconsistancies in your own value system. Carry on beating your chests about this puppy, sorry for encouraging you to think.

TTFN

chickmonk

Well, congratulations everyone (including DaBouncer) I may have gone slightly off topic with the deafness thing, which did deviate from someone thinking this puppy was killed because of a lack of spots, but you lot (including DaBouncer who has a problem with topic change) have managed to turn this thread from one about a puppy's death to one about not going off topic! How ironic is that?!

I was terribly saddened by this, not because of it being a cute dog, but because it was killed in a horrible way (which is different yes, if a puppy is 'culled' by injection it goes to sleep. end of, this one would have struggled for breath having it's whole weight hanging on it's neck, choked, screamed, cried, waited for his owner to come and help him but they never did)

But also because, yes, it makes you realise what kind of people are out there.

I'm also a meat eater and love my animals to bits, so don't start on that one.

However, I'm equally saddened by the conflict that has occured here on this thread.
That DaBouncer can attack people for basically relating this to another experience - which is what discussion about, it's caused friction between everyone and everybody has started arguing.

It's so sad.

Originally posted by grinboy
Ok DaBouncer, have it your way.

Rant rant rant, rave rave rave, evil people, rant rant rant, rave rave rave,dead puppies, rant rant rant, rave rave rave so cute, rant rant rant, rave rave raveshouldn't be allowed, rant a bit more, use foul language, call the perpetrators names, rant rant rant, rave rave rave agree how bad it is, shouldn't be allowed, the electic chair would be too good for them, lock them up in a 2'x2' cell with a soiled blanket for the rest of their days, rant rant rant, rave rave rave hanging's too good for them, etc ad infinitum.

I'm a meat eating animal lover (I'm definitely not a veggie chickmonk) with 2 cats (I'd never eat the cats in case anyone gets hold of the wrong end of the stick). If this happened to either of my 2 babies i would, realistically be upset, and might even cry, however .............

ranting and raving and telling people to start their own [expletive deleted] thread don't solve the issue. That's all I was getting at.

And I have to say, I agree with you grinboy. Totally. I'm not saying that what happened isn't cruel, but give it a rest already about what you want to do to the perpetrators.

OK to clarify:

I was NOT saying that you cannot have an opinion
I was equally NOT suggesting that the user had not followed the forum, or was not welcome on the Forum

What I WAS saying however, was that he ought to get to know people before he starts hurling abuse at them.

I would like to be put in a room with the person(s) that have done this. I cannot print on here what i would do to them. It would be a very long and painful experience that they would suffer.

I hate people that mistreat animals in any way.

Originally posted by Avalon
OK to clarify:

I was NOT saying that you cannot have an opinion
I was equally NOT suggesting that the user had not followed the forum, or was not welcome on the Forum

What I WAS saying however, was that he ought to get to know people before he starts hurling abuse at them.
Excatly Avalon.
Yes Lotti I may well have played my part in bringing this topic off topic about a topic that should remain on topic :confused:
For that I apologise. However please don't confuse attack with defense.

Boroughgal surprised by your comments, however I shall not raise the why's on here as it is the wrong place.

Chickmonk I think a slight disagreement about topics has been blown out of prooportion but just serves to prove once it starts the subject matter at hand quickly disappears.

grinboy you're more than welcome to use the forum, I hope you dont feel too intimidated to use the forum again and offer your opinion, this was not the intention. However if you attack prepare to defend... at least I have enough thought (albeit after thought) to amend any comments I make quickly so as not to offend further and make my statement have a bigger sense of tact. I learnt that by being around these parts for such a long time ;)

Anyway... phew... back ON topic, what would people think about setting up such a fund to offer as a bigger reward to catch the people who did this?
Would you give to such a fund and where would anyone start by setting one up?

If anyone has any information regarding this, please report it... it doesn't have to be here but to the authorities... these people have to be caught.

Originally posted by BoroughGal
And I have to say, I agree with you grinboy. Totally. I'm not saying that what happened isn't cruel, but give it a rest already about what you want to do to the perpetrators.

But isn't this thread about a dispicable act of cruelty, carried out by unbelievably evil people (and I use this term loosely)?

Therefore, isn't this thread here for people to express their disgust at the act AND the perpetrators.

If I am correct, then shouldn't people be allowed to do so in their own way (expletives aside) with good, honest opinions, even if it means graphic details of how these scum should be dealt with?

I, for one, object to being one of those accused of ranting on simply because it was a cute puppy. I would feel the same if it was a rat, or a pigeon if it had been hanged for fun - or 'kicks'.

Do I consider the puppy to be more worthy of my sympathy and disgust than humans? In this case, and cases like it, yes, I consider the poor animal more than the human(?) who did this to it. In fact, I can feel certain in the knowledge that if I had happened upon the scene as the act was being carried out, and one of the scum had gotten tangled up in his own ropes, leaving them and the pup dangling side by side, I KNOW that I would have cut the pup down first.

Helpless animals, like children, the disabled and the elderly, are at our mercy. That is why crimes involving these groups get my back up more than crimes against the other sections of society.

Yes, I eat meat. But that doesn't mean that I should not express my disgust at wanton cruelty.

As for what I think should happen to these scum, I've already expressed that earlier. Everyone on here has the right to express their feelings of 'revenge' on behalf of this helpless and trusting animal. It's what this thread is all about - and is how threads develop and grow.

I think the subject matter is a despicable act too. Don't get me wrong. But the whole "lets get the b****** that did this" tone reminds me of the hysteria created in tabloid papers.

Like the very thing Chris Morris was driving at in the Brasseye "Paedophilia" episode.

And people ARE entitled to air this view on the thread too. Because it's as relevant, if, in the eyes of some, a converse view.

Originally posted by grinboy
Beating people up?
Administration of "rough" justice?
an eye for an eye and a beating for a dog hanger?

At the risk of sounding like a do gooder (which I am definitely NOT) isn't this a bit like stooping to their level?

Are we not supposed to be better than that?

It's posts like this which are getting up my nose BoroughGal.

And this.

I think that the reason you are offended by my (slight) change of topic is that it makes you uncomfortable about the inconsistancies in your own value system. Carry on beating your chests about this puppy, sorry for encouraging you to think.




Our opinions should be expressed without someone accusing us of being 'unthinking, or stooping to the level' of the scum we are criticising. After all, who is this secret advisor which some of us seem to have who tells us that OUR opinion is THE opinion and we should name-call anyone who disagrees, or has different opinions? Can we all have one please?

Saxon....

Thanks for not jumping down my throat there and for showing what upsets you about the posts... :)

But I am still inclined to think that he was just offering a converse view,and that we sould encourage debate, even if it goes against what we believe.



:)

I was absolutely horrified to hear/see what had happened to that poor innocent pup!!!! How could anyone do such an awful thing!! These are not human beings, just monsters!!! I hope they get caught. They need hanging themselves. This has really upset me and I just can't get the thought of that poor dog out of my head!

My large Doberman pup is sitting at the side of me now and has asked for a "5 minute 'chat' with the murderers".

I make the point because we, as people are above such inhumanity. Two wrongs do not make a right. We have a system of law and order that stops this kind of thing from happening every day, and we have to respect that because it is what keeps us civilised as a people.

Because we know the rights and wrongs we don't do it, and we understand how wrong it is when the boundary is transgressed. The present law may seem, and indeed be inadequate in these awful circumstances, but we learn to refine our laws and punishments through experience and resolution.

To say 'next time they won't get off so lightly' is cold comfort today, but it was once legal to beat and mistreat dogs and people alike. We learn - we have to.


My Doberman still wants that chat though. :evil:

looking at my old loved dog now, and the look in his eyes, i remember when he was a pup, that trust...i could never do him many harm. It makes me cry the cruelty that goes on. That pup probebly went willingly with the murderers and trusted them till the end. I hope they never have a nights sleep ever again...until they are caught.

Originally posted by chickmonk
So I take it that we're all veggies then...

Would we be as outraged if a chicken had been strung up? Or a pig? Or a sheep?

Just wondered...

I would have hoped it WOULD matter but reading what followed I guess not.

Causing suffering to any animal a pig (an extremely intellegent animal) , Chicken or even a spider someone mentions, is totally without moral justification and also equally against the law.

Jamie 's post re "the duplicity of human nature" hits the nail on the head

If its cute and furry ...we are all outraged. If its a little more 'ugly' and doesn't sit on your knee, doesn't matter so much.

Then theres the view that if the death is violent its outrageous, but if its just a leathal injection well fine - no problem

Animal lovers...yeah right.. So long has it doesn't spoil Sunday lunch.

I totally despair at the working of the human mind

"string the b******s up who did this""no, string the b******s up who want to string the b******s up who did this"
Clearly, intimidation and violence is the answer, and will solve all the world's problems.

A good point made.... If people are not careful the "sensationalism" of this story will turn it into a modern day witch hunt! With the media helping to whip everybody into a frenzy.

And speaking to people at work etc, there are those who unfortunately have the attitude of "bring back capital punishment". I worry greatly about those who feel this is the answer. Almost as much as I worry about the person(s) who decided to take the animals life.

What if (for arguments sake) the person responsible turns out to have a serious mental health problem, and is not accountable for his / her own actions, what then? Do we go ahead with some people's views to "take an eye for an eye", knowing that in affect we are condemming someone to death for not being in control of their own mind.

It has eerie connotations of people suspected of being witches, being burnt at the stake. We must keep an open mind, and forget about acts of barbaric revenge.

What if (for arguments sake) the person responsible turns out to have a serious mental health problem, and is not accountable for his / her own actions, what then? Do we go ahead with some people's views to "take an eye for an eye", knowing that in affect we are condemming someone to death for not being in control of their own mind.

It has eerie connotations of people suspected of being witches, being burnt at the stake. We must keep an open mind, and forget about acts of barbaric revenge. [/B][/QUOTE]




“There were two more nooses on the ground close to a couple of empty cider bottles and some silver foil beside a bonfire.

i think its clear enough who did this

Originally posted by DaBouncer


Anyway... phew... back ON topic, what would people think about setting up such a fund to offer as a bigger reward to catch the people who did this?
Would you give to such a fund and where would anyone start by setting one up?



No, I would not give to such a fund. The very idea of seeking extra money to increase the existing reward defies belief.

Are you not aware that umpteen thousands of people are currently without homes, food and medicine following the earthquake in Pakistan? Aren't our value systems somewhat warped if we place yet more monetary emphasis on catching a dead dog's killer(s) than on saving human lives?

Aren't our value systems somewhat inconsistent if, whilst we rightly deplore the violence inflicted on this animal, we contemplate using violence on the perpetrator(s)? In my opinion, those who advocate acts of violent revenge lower themselves to the same level as the perpetator(s) of this appalling cruelty.

I think at some point a deterrent is needed at a sufficiently high level to stop this cruelty against animals. Fear tends to be the biggest deterrent.....much harsher punishment is needed in society, mawkish sentimentality towards trying to "understand" why they have done it is pointless, stop them doing it in teh first place because they fear the consequences of being caught!

Punishments to fit the crimes!

Originally posted by redrobbo
No, I would not give to such a fund. The very idea of seeking extra money to increase the existing reward defies belief.

Are you not aware that umpteen thousands of people are currently without homes, food and medicine following the earthquake in Pakistan? Aren't our value systems somewhat warped if we place yet more monetary emphasis on catching a dead dog's killer(s) than on saving human lives?

Aren't our value systems somewhat inconsistent if, whilst we rightly deplore the violence inflicted on this animal, we contemplate using violence on the perpetrator(s)? In my opinion, those who advocate acts of violent revenge lower themselves to the same level as the perpetator(s) of this appalling cruelty.

Originally posted by redrobbo
No, I would not give to such a fund. The very idea of seeking extra money to increase the existing reward defies belief.

Are you not aware that umpteen thousands of people are currently without homes, food and medicine following the earthquake in Pakistan? Aren't our value systems somewhat warped if we place yet more monetary emphasis on catching a dead dog's killer(s) than on saving human lives?

It is impossible to try and weigh the worth of one cause against another. The reward offered for the dog killers is like small change when compared to the millions given to human disaster funds. Remember the tsnunami fund, where more money was given than they were able to spend, not to mention the several millions that 'dissappeared without trace'.

I don't think it's necessary to add to this reward, like others have said if anyone knows who did this they should come forward as a moral duty, not for financial gain.

On what may be a controversial note, it would seem unarguable that SOME, (not all) of these disasters are the direct result of mans exploitation of the worlds resourses in which case the biblical quote "as ye sow so shall ye reap" comes to mind. As usual every other species on this planet will suffer as a result of mans greed.

Originally posted by redrobbo
So, dinp, as you are suggesting an equal fate for the culprits, can I ask if you'll be the first in the queue to strangle them? Your avatar suggests that you might?

For the record - I have reported my concerns about your avatar to the Mods. I personally don't think that a moving depiction of a human being strangled is a suitable avatar. But whilst we can all condemn the culprits of this appalling act of cruelty, let's not worry about where such "scrotebags" might get their twisted ideas from, shall we.

This country has got nowhere with the nicey-nicey approach to criminals, its high time corporal punishment was brought back into schools and punishments fitted the crimes caused.

I wouldn't look too deep into my avatar, its just a random one I found via a link from this site, it doesn't serve as a symbol or anything like that. But thanks for complaining directly to the mods without actually having the decency to raise your concern with me first. Much appreciated.

In answer to your question though, I don't want to work for the criminal justice system, so no I wouldn't be first in line.

Originally posted by beautynbeast
“There were two more nooses on the ground close to a couple of empty cider bottles and some silver foil beside a bonfire.

i think its clear enough who did this
It's not clear in the slightest. Doing smack does not equal killing dogs.

Originally posted by poppins
Don't think many people keep those [sheep, pigs, chickens] as house pets !

You obviously haven't been to the Manor recently! ;)

POB1, I would be just as upset had this been a sheep strung up.

It DOES matter how the animal died,

like I said in a previous post...

if an animal is 'put to sleep' it has an injection feels drowsy, lays down for a sleep and doesn't wake up. Okay, a life has been taken, but in the kindest way possible.
If an animal is killed in the way this puppy was, it was probably walked to the park, tail wagging, waited while it's owner set up the noose, then put it over his neck, then after being strung up, he would have cried in pain, believing that his owner would come and save him from this pain. This owner he'd spent the last 4 months with, completely trusting, choking, crying and hurting.

There is NO WAY you can tell me that an injection is as bad as that.


I also really resent your remarks about animal lovers eating animals, if I'm reading it right, you are saying that in order to love animals, you have to be veggie.

Well, I adore animals but I also love my meat. It keeps me healthy and gives people a reason to continue breeding cows,pigs etc. if everyone was veggie, animals like that would be extinct and the price of dairy products would rocket - this is for another thread, but please don't make assumptions on whether I, or any other meat eater is an animal lover- you don't know a thing.

Originally posted by redrobbo
No, I would not give to such a fund. The very idea of seeking extra money to increase the existing reward defies belief.

Are you not aware that umpteen thousands of people are currently without homes, food and medicine following the earthquake in Pakistan? Aren't our value systems somewhat warped if we place yet more monetary emphasis on catching a dead dog's killer(s) than on saving human lives?

Aren't our value systems somewhat inconsistent if, whilst we rightly deplore the violence inflicted on this animal, we contemplate using violence on the perpetrator(s)? In my opinion, those who advocate acts of violent revenge lower themselves to the same level as the perpetator(s) of this appalling cruelty.
It's a shame you fell that way, since disasters like the one which happened in Pakistan will have millions (if not billions) given in aid from governments all over the world as well as fund raising for them directly.
However this wont have any government help whatsoever and is small change in comparisson, I wonder how you would feel if someone did this to a pet of yours.

I appreciate others sentiments that we should have a moral duty to shop the perpetrators and not do it for financial gain.
However society tends not to run like that and if individuals doing the shopping are more inclined to tell the authorities for financial gain then I'd happily contribute knowing a prosecution followed.

It's a shame you dont feel the same redrobbo it really is. :(

I agree with you there Lotti

It cewtainly does matter how the poor animal died. Surely it would have ben much easier for the owner of the animal to find it a new home if he/she didnt want it any more? There was certianly no need to kill it at all, however way it was done.

I am an animal lover, but i too like my meat. The animals that produce our meat are killed in a humane way, so that they do not suffer. There is a difference between this, and choking a puppy to death. Come on people!

I would happily contribute to a fund to catch these people, and lock them away for a long time. Unfortunatley i am left wondering if they are cought, what will happen to them. Will they go to jail? Or will they just be given a "community rehabilitation order" and told never to do it again?

Originally posted by Tony
It's not clear in the slightest. Doing smack does not equal killing dogs.

i dont think i said that, do you tony?
and i think it was the rspca that called them mindless "yobs"
a lot kinder to what i call them.

Originally posted by Avalon


It cewtainly does matter how the poor animal died. Surely it would have ben much easier for the owner of the animal to find it a new home if he/she didnt want it any more? There was certianly no need to kill it at all, however way it was done.

I would happily contribute to a fund to catch these people, and lock them away for a long time. Unfortunatley i am left wondering if they are cought, what will happen to them. Will they go to jail? Or will they just be given a "community rehabilitation order" and told never to do it again?

Seen this morning that the owners have sadly discovered that that their missing dog is the one that was cruelly hanged. Appears to be a normal boistrous pup that has got out and fell into the clutches of some sadistic saddo.

I can only guess that the person responsible will get some type of rehab order and banned from keeping pets for a few years. I also think in todays society that the person resposible will also have it on his/her mobile phone!! :rant:

Let's hope they are caught and shame they cant suffer the same type of death

Originally posted by beautynbeast
i dont think i said that, do you tony?
and i think it was the rspca that called them mindless "yobs"
a lot kinder to what i call them.
Apologies if i misread this:

Originally posted by beautynbeast
“There were two more nooses on the ground close to a couple of empty cider bottles and some silver foil beside a bonfire.

i think its clear enough who did this

The point I was making, perhaps badly, is that we shouldn't just jump to conclusions and base instincts - even though I feel the same disgust and revulsion that others have shown. I'm happy for a punishment to fit a crime providing that we go through the proper process - not vigilantism.

oh no!

I was quitely praying that it was the owners that did this, that way they wouldn't have to find out their puppy had been killed in this tragic way.

I can't imagine what the poor people are going through - dalmatians are so difficult to keep under control and while you could say it's their own fault for not having their garden secure, they never deserved this.

I think at this time, it would be worthwhile us all taking a step back from arguing and our own values and opinions and think about the poor family this dog belonged to.

I really urge everyone to go to http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005470533,00.html and please sign the petition demanding law reform.
It will only take about 3 minutes of your time and you could help make a huge difference and protect animals that need it.

Originally posted by Avalon
I am an animal lover, but i too like my meat. The animals that produce our meat are killed in a humane way, so that they do not suffer.

It is comforting to believe that isn't it ?

Shame it's not true.

Originally posted by princessb
I really urge everyone to go to http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005470533,00.html and please sign the petition demanding law reform.
It will only take about 3 minutes of your time and you could help make a huge difference and protect animals that need it.

Lets also, not fool ourselves in to believing that the sun newspaper, well it's owners, actually care about anything other than stiring up people's emotions and ultimately, their own profit.

Evil sick gits!!!!! they say what goes around comes around but unfortunatley these days I dont think it does.

Amongst us all we should be able to have an idea of who commited this abhorant act. little ****s like these will undoubtedly brag about their actions.

Anyone with any ideas???????

:suspect:

Originally posted by Lotti

I also really resent your remarks about animal lovers eating animals, if I'm reading it right, you are saying that in order to love animals, you have to be veggie.

Well, I adore animals but I also love my meat. It keeps me healthy and gives people a reason to continue breeding cows,pigs etc. if everyone was veggie, animals like that would be extinct and the price of dairy products would rocket - this is for another thread, but please don't make assumptions on whether I, or any other meat eater is an animal lover- you don't know a thing.

When I first dipped into this thread I was genuinely interested as to why this particular case of animal cruelty had gotten people so angry. Sorry Lotti, I don't doubt that you love animals, but animals that are bred for meat are rarely treated in a way that I would describe as 'humane'. And continuing to breed animals just to slaughter them in an inhumane fashion is indeed cruel, I think.

I agree that this case is sickening and I hope that the perpertrators are caught. However, I do think we perhaps need to consider how we treat animals in general in this country INCLUDING cows and pigs and chickens, before we all go on ranting about animal cruelty.

Chicken Monkey

Chicken Monkey,

Yes, things need addressing. However, I believe they are being, which is why free range products have become more and more common (and popular) over recent years.

I think a lot of the animals that are bred, are not kept in bad conditions. I mean, lets face it. If you breed cows for meat, you can't go round and give each of them lots of love and affection!

A farmer's job is a busy one, and a tiring one and he needs to make a profit for his family. Therefore, the animals are treated well enough to keep them happy and healthy. An unhappy animal won't eat - therefore, not a lot of meat.
There was a story of a farmer who bred a collie, one of the pups was stood on by a horse (I believe) at 5 weeks and without vet treatment, it wouldn't ever be able to walk again. However, the farmer was also told that it would never work even if it had veterinary treatment.

The farmer refused to pay and said he didn't want the puppy.
the vets kept the puppy on and asked for funds to treat the puppy.

However, as much as this may seem cold hearted, the farmer couldn't afford a huge vet bill, to have a dog that couldn't work anyway. He had to think about business. His animals were his business, not necessarily his pets.

he had the rest of the litter to choose from so why pay for this puppy to be treated.

It's so difficult to comprehend and compare, I too find it difficult.

However, as much as I don't want to go off topic - and a vegetarianism/free range thread should be started elsewhere if you want to carry it on, I felt I had to say this.

Whilst things could still improve, things are definitely looking up for farm animals.
It's now up to those of us who eat meat to only buy meat that we know the animals were well treated.

I understand you are an animal lover Lotti, and the following is not directed at you.

It is very easy to be self -righteous and indignatious when we read a story like this. We all think 'that's terrible!, I would never be party to something like that! These people are monsters! String them up!'

Yet, we do still have battery farming in this country. We do buy these products when we know (or should know) about the appauling conditions animals are kept in. 'Free range' often means nothing of the sort.

I am not going off topic, I am not wanting to discuss farming or vegetarianism. What gets me is the level of aggression and rage exhibited by some on this forum when a dog is mistreated, when they do not get similarly enraged by other cruelties - including the food on their plates!

Chicken Monkey

Originally posted by chickmonk
I am not going off topic, I am not wanting to discuss farming or vegetarianism. What gets me is the level of aggression and rage exhibited by some on this forum when a dog is mistreated, when they do not get similarly enraged by other cruelties - including the food on their plates!

Chicken Monkey
It's a shame you have no basis to comment on this as being fact since (A) You've not started your own thread for this kind of debate (B) Do not know the individuals on this forum or their beliefs.

To be frank it's nothing more than a sweeping generalist statement with no factual basis. :roll:

You're picking a fight with me again DaBouncer.

If I was being argumentative I would say: A) am I not allowed an opinion unless I have started the thread? and
B) How do you know that I don't know people on this Forum?
It is not necessary to 'know' people on a forum. That is what forums are for, to chat to people in a virtual fashion.

But I am not being argumentative so,
I am basing what I say on what I have read on this thread. People HAVE exhibited aggression and people HAVE said that they wouldn't feel the same about other types of animal. I find that genuinely interesting.

I am not basing what I say on 'fact', just on what others have expressed on the forum. I do not know all the people on this forum personally, but I can guess at their beliefs by what they write. Surely we all do the same.

I must say I find your tone unwelcoming and like I'm not allowed to be part of your 'SF club'. And I think your comments to me are personal. I don't think you would have written that reply had it not been me who had made the comment.

Anyway, said all I need to on this I think.

TTFN
The Chicken Monkey

Working at a school (primary) I have cause to pass the time of day with several hundred young children every day.

When the twin towers collapsed, a great many of them mentioned it - or were heard discussing it amongst themselves - the next school day. Likewise with the Boscastle flood, England's defeat by Northern Ireland and the fox hunt ban.

Funnily enough though, I have not heard one word mentioned about the hanged puppy from anyone - kids that is.

Wonder why! Have they been kept from knowing about it by their parents? Doubt it in some cases, especially the kids who are allowed to stay up till God knows what time to watch programmes meant for adult viewing, and brag about it to their mates the next day. "This bloke got his head chopped off. Wicked!!" So if, as suspected, these kids are allowed access to images which they shouldn't see, then the image of this puppy hasn't even registered with them as being a noteworthy one.

That, in itself, is puzzling!.... or even worrying!:(

Oh my lord, chickmonk as if I would have any sort of personal resentment towards you in such a fashion as to "attack" or be "aggressive" to you.

I felt as though you were making a generlisation without actually having an informed opinion.
If you don't like that I request you to open a debate on the subject you keep bringing up, then I'm sorry but that's not my problem... it is yours.

I merely stated that you're making comments about users on this forum without actually knowing what you're on about.
You said yourself:
Originally posted by chickmonk
I can guess at their beliefs
So in actualt 'fact' you're making a guess as what people think.

Now tell me if that's fair?
If you don't like me picking up on your statements, dont make them. However I value your uninformed opinion so please keep posting.

I mean really... lighten up :roll:

Of course I am making a guess as to what people think. That is what we all do on a forum. It is fair to do this and does not make me 'uninformed' in any way.

You cannot 'know' what poeple's true beliefs are on a forum. For that matter, you may not 'know' someone's true beliefs if you meet them personally. You can only guess from the information available to you.

So from the information available to me, I think you're a bit of a bully who likes to put people down. Sorry, but that's what I think.

Chicken Monkey

Originally posted by chickmonk
Of course I am making a guess as to what people think. That is what we all do on a forum. It is fair to do this and does not make me 'uninformed' in any way.

You cannot 'know' what poeple's true beliefs are on a forum. For that matter, you may not 'know' someone's true beliefs if you meet them personally. You can only guess from the information available to you.

So from the information available to me, I think you're a bit of a bully who likes to put people down. Sorry, but that's what I think.

Chicken Monkey
I'm sorry you feel that way.
It's not my intention to "bully" you regarding this thread.

Maybe if you followed my advice you create a thread regarding your own "guesses" then you'd have a clearer and more informed opinion of how people feel on your subject.

My "guess" at your belief is that you take things a little too personal when people are expressing their opinions and that you misconstrue(sp?) this as an act of aggression and "bullying" when in actual fact it couldn't be further from the truth.

Furthermore I feel you have made a snap and personal judgement of me based probably on my username. If it was DaPinkBunny for example you'd probably not feel I was "bullying" you, but more expressing my own opinion in a forward fashion. Maybe even arguimentative... but who am I to judge.

Well done for once again bringing this topic OFF topic. If you;d like to carry this on I am available via PM and will happily answer your questions/remarks.

Kind Regards

DaPinkBunny ;)

Admin:

Can we keep to the point please? You can bitch by PM - it's free and we don't have to watch ;)

OH MY GOD!

This is absolutely appauling. I am totally shocked. I thought I had seen it all when I saw that poor puppy last year I think when its ears were cut off with scissors and then that poor Alsation that had concrete tied to its feet and was thrown in a reservoir. Its bl@@dy sick it really is.

I believe a public stoning is needed... I personally bags the first rock!

:rant: :rant: :rant:

Originally posted by burny
I believe a public stoning is needed... I personally bags the first rock!
Well I'd be inclined to agree with you, but for the fact that such an action would only serve to bring you down to their level :(

Originally posted by Lotti


I also really resent your remarks about animal lovers eating animals, if I'm reading it right, you are saying that in order to love animals, you have to be veggie.

Well, I adore animals but I also love my meat. It keeps me healthy and gives people a reason to continue breeding cows,pigs etc. if everyone was veggie, animals like that would be extinct and the price of dairy products would rocket - this is for another thread, but please don't make assumptions on whether I, or any other meat eater is an animal lover- you don't know a thing.

"Animal lover' what does this mean. Either you respect animals and accept they too have a right to live a life free from torture and abuse, or you don't.

You cannot eat meat and accept that animals have rights,

Maybe you think some animals have rights and others don't but if this means dogs and cats, what about the countries where these are eaten and reared in the same way as in this country we rear our hens and pigs.

Anyone who has managed to convince themselves that animals reared for food have a good life and die happy are absolutely deluded.

Look at the battery hens, the pigs kept all their lives in small crates etc etc this is OK. The journey to the abattoir may be many miles in a truck herded into pens using an electric rod, hung upside down (sound familiar) often while still conscious then and only then is it 'released' by having its throat cut. All because "the lady loves her meat"

In 1982 I was a meat eating "animal lover" I went to a meeting of the RSPCA in London and after there was a screening of a film which changed my life. The Animals Film narrated by Julie Christie was made on a small budget and sponored by various charities including the RSPCA. I havent eaten meat since that date. The film is very rare and impossible to source these days, I have a VHS copy from the days when I worked at the BUAV , about 3rd generation but still hits you where it hurts. I challenge anyone to watch it and not be moved. I will happilly supply a dvd copy to anyone (small donation to new RSPCA centre??)

Finally, this is not off the thread, all this is interconnected. Cruelty is cruelty, whatever way it is disguised.

Originally posted by POB1
................Cruelty is cruelty, whatever way it is disguised.
Yeah, I particularly dislike the way all those free range pigs somewhere down the A1 and East Coast Mainline are disguised as being happy :roll:

Can we stick to puppy hangings on here now?
I'm sure there are enough vegetarian threads kicking about for ranting at meat eaters :suspect:

Originally posted by POB1
"Animal lover' what does this mean. Either you respect animals and accept they too have a right to live a life free from torture and abuse, or you don't.

You cannot eat meat and accept that animals have rights,

Maybe you think some animals have rights and others don't but if this means dogs and cats, what about the countries where these are eaten and reared in the same way as in this country we rear our hens and pigs.

Anyone who has managed to convince themselves that animals reared for food have a good life and die happy are absolutely deluded.

Look at the battery hens, the pigs kept all their lives in small crates etc etc this is OK. The journey to the abattoir may be many miles in a truck herded into pens using an electric rod, hung upside down (sound familiar) often while still conscious then and only then is it 'released' by having its throat cut. All because "the lady loves her meat"

In 1982 I was a meat eating "animal lover" I went to a meeting of the RSPCA in London and after there was a screening of a film which changed my life. The Animals Film narrated by Julie Christie was made on a small budget and sponored by various charities including the RSPCA. I havent eaten meat since that date. The film is very rare and impossible to source these days, I have a VHS copy from the days when I worked at the BUAV , about 3rd generation but still hits you where it hurts. I challenge anyone to watch it and not be moved. I will happilly supply a dvd copy to anyone (small donation to new RSPCA centre??)

Finally, this is not off the thread, all this is interconnected. Cruelty is cruelty, whatever way it is disguised.

Ok, I tell you what,

So that I can eat meat, I'll hate all animals...

or better still, how about I give up meat, get severely ill, and possibly die so that all the pigs, hens and cows can be saved?
(I'm not over reacting btw, I have a disease which means, I need the meat, but can't get it in substitutes because of the stuff in it).

And yes, you're right - 'the lady loves her meat'.

I don't know when it's right to draw the line at which meats you can eat, but what do you think they were put on the earth for exactly - like I said, if nobody ate meat, there would be no reason to breed them, farm animals would become extinct, or close to it, and dairy products etc. would rocket.

I take it you have no leather shoes then...

if I kept a chicken/sheep or pig etc. as a pet, I wouldn't kill that and eat it, I suppose that gives some perspective on what a nasty person I am.

Originally posted by Lotti
.

I take it you have no leather shoes then...

if I kept a chicken/sheep or pig etc. as a pet, I wouldn't kill that and eat it, I suppose that gives some perspective on what a nasty person I am.

Oh dear, down to leather shoes now (incidentally no problem getting man made these days).

and the rest..well you said it ... no further comment necessary.

Regards extinction...there are many species of animals not generally reared for eating... they havent become extinct. And if they did which is the greater evil an extincted species or one condemned to a life of suffering. Obviously in your opinion certain types of animal were put on this earth to suffer - and dont forget the people in the far east would use exactly the same argument to justify the dogs in cages with legs tied behind their backs and a tin can over their nose.

So the connection to the original issue is there, as I said cruelty is cruelty. The original dog picture that started this discussion just happened to be a cute 'Disney type' dog. This cruelty goes on day in day out in this country and around the world, it wont go away unless the whole human/animal attitude changes.

Originally posted by POB1
Oh dear, down to leather shoes now (incidentally no problem getting man made these days).....
Leather is a renewable resource - a claim that most plasticky manmade shoes cannot make.

We all have a choice over our principles, and your's won't live up to other peoples' equally valid standards ;)

Originally posted by Strix
Leather is a renewable resource - a claim that most plasticky manmade shoes cannot make.

We all have a choice over our principles, and your's won't live up to other peoples' equally valid standards ;)

Yes I agree, probably the plastic ones can be recycled ?? Think its also fair to say leather is a by product anyway, it wouldn't be viable to raise animals just to make shoes! Animal rights people always get this one thrown at them and its just sidetracking the issue really.

Some questions don't have answers, it shouldn't put us off discussing them. I was just responding to other peoples statements..for what its worth. Don't you think the dog issue is just a sad symptom of mankinds attitude to the environment and the other species he shares it with?

Originally posted by POB1
Don't you think the dog issue is just a sad symptom of mankinds attitude to the environment and the other species he shares it with?
Nope, I think some individuals are sick. The sooner they are caught the better. I cannot even begin to contemplate how the owners of this poor pup feel just now


Originally posted by POB1
Yes I agree, probably the plastic ones can be recycled ??
Oh really? when was the last time you did that with an old pair of your shoes? the plastics bins at the recycing centres are pretty specific about what does or doesn't go in - and 'shoes' don't go in


Originally posted by POB1
Think its also fair to say leather is a by product anyway, it wouldn't be viable to raise animals just to make shoes!
I only eat meat as a by product of the leather industry - it would be a crime to allow all that meat to go to waste :roll: this argument could go on and on :shakes:

Originally posted by Strix
Nope, I think some individuals are sick. The sooner they are caught the better. I cannot even begin to contemplate how the owners of this poor pup feel just now



:

Do we know that it wasn't the owners who did it? Has someone come forward to say the dog was theirs? I guess I just supposed it must have been their own dog. Apparently the Sun have a major follow-up story today.

I'm sure the means exists to recycle shoes, perhaps no one has got around to it yet!

Originally posted by POB1
Do we know that it wasn't the owners who did it? Has someone come forward to say the dog was theirs? Well if you spent more time reading the forum than ranting off topic at it, you'd have spotted the answer in there :rolleyes:

Originally posted by POB1
I'm sure the means exists to recycle shoes, perhaps no one has got around to it yet!
Oh you are sure are you? How did you draw that conclusion?
On the same basis that meat eaters are 'sure' that the animals don't suffer, or something more substantial? :suspect:

Originally posted by Strix
Well if you spent more time reading the forum than ranting off topic at it, you'd have spotted the answer in there :rolleyes:


Oh you are sure are you? How did you draw that conclusion?
On the same basis that meat eaters are 'sure' that the animals don't suffer, or something more substantial? :suspect:

OK thought it was worth discussing - obviously not. And for your information all plastic is recyclable. The rest is too garbled to understand.

I havent seen anything in the press re the owner of this dog turning up thats why I asked

Originally posted by POB1
And for your information all plastic is recyclable.
Only if you don't bin it for landfill, and it's correctly labelled so it can be sorted - so that doesn't cover your shoes then does it?

Sorry, am I undermining your warm smug 'holier than thou' feeling? Is that why you have resorted to slinging words such as 'garbled' about? :hihi:

apparently two teenagers have been arrestd this morning, in connection with this incident.

mods, i don't know if we can keep this thread open, now as the case will be subjudicae, won't it?

PT

Originally posted by Plain Talker
apparently two teenagers have been arrestd this morning, in connection with this incident.

mods, i don't know if we can keep this thread open, now as the case will be subjudicae, won't it?

PT
Really?
*runs off to look at BBC News website*

[EDIT]
Can't find anything on BBC News Site.
Maybe it's too soon.

For pity's sake POB1 this thread isn't actually titled animal cruelty, it's about that puppy.

The deafness thing came up because someone thought the standard of the dog might be why it had been killed, nobody killed it for meat so will you please start a veggie argument elsewhere?

It's getting quite sad.

I have no problem with people vegetarians. It's your choice - what I can't STICK is when people rub it in my face.

It's my choice to eat meat. And I choose to.

And I only eat free range as best as I can find it, that's me doing my best.
As far as I know, none of the cows I eat are kept with their legs tied behind their backs and their noses in cans.

IF, I ever decided that I would try dog, I wouldn't have one that had been kept in those conditions.

As I said, farmers do their best as unhappy animals don't make good meat!

Originally posted by DaBouncer

I appreciate others sentiments that we should have a moral duty to shop the perpetrators and not do it for financial gain.
However society tends not to run like that and if individuals doing the shopping are more inclined to tell the authorities for financial gain then I'd happily contribute knowing a prosecution followed.


A valid argument DaBouncer. Well put. My concern was not that a monetary reward had been offered, but that it was viewed as insufficient, and needed upping (and to an unspecified limit), whilst thousands of people are dying in Pakistan.

I would have wished to further the debate regarding the violent reactions of posters to the perpetrators of this act of animal cruelty - but sadly, this thread has gone wildly off topic, with discussions on recycling plastic shoes, etc. 'Nuff said.

police arrested 2 youths yesterday

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005470477,00.html

Originally posted by panda79
police arrested 2 youths yesterday

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005470477,00.html

that's what I said earlier this morning...

"apparently two teenagers have been arrestd this morning, in connection with this incident."

PT

Originally posted by Plain Talker
that's what I said earlier this morning...

"apparently two teenagers have been arrestd this morning, in connection with this incident."

PT

sorry pt i didnt look at all the posts on the thread

police arrested 2 youths yesterday.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005470477,00.html

Thank you for reminding me just why I despise The Sun!

Animal Cruelty - Stamp It Out Campaign. :rant: :rant:
Talk about jumping on the back of a sales winner!

Originally posted by SWFC00
Thank you for reminding me just why I despise The Sun!

Animal Cruelty - Stamp It Out Campaign. :rant: :rant:
Talk about jumping on the back of a sales winner!

no ones forcing you to buy it are they ?

Originally posted by panda79
no ones forcing you to buy it are they ?

It's that page 3 though, it's so enticing :D

Originally posted by Rich
It's that page 3 though, it's so enticing :D

i no no one will belive me but its rare i look at page 3 the way i see it once you have seen one pair of tits you seen them all:D

Originally posted by panda79
way i see it once you have seen one pair of tits you seen them all:D

I know what you mean!

http://www.rotherham4news.f9.co.uk/CelebritiesChuckleBrothers.jpg

Sorry Lotti - didn't realize people might have a problem following a thread and stringing more than on issue together.

Sorry the rest of your post doesn't even warrant the time to type a reply.....

"As far as I know, none of the cows I eat are kept with their legs tied behind their backs and their noses in cans".

"IF, I ever decided that I would try dog, I wouldn't have one that had been kept in those conditions".

"As I said, farmers do their best as unhappy animals don't make good meat!"

Unbelievable!

Originally posted by saxon51
I know what you mean!

http://www.rotherham4news.f9.co.uk/CelebritiesChuckleBrothers.jpg

ive seen bigger tits than that saxon:D

no ones forcing you to buy it are they ?

No. That's why I haven't read it for around five years. But my initial post was "Thank you for reminding me just why I despise The Sun! Animal Cruelty - Stamp It Out Campaign.
Talk about jumping on the back of a sales winner"...

The whole campaign is a cold hearted sham :suspect:

But that's The Sun for ya...

Originally posted by POB1

Sorry the rest of your post doesn't even warrant the time to type a reply.....


Why did you bother then?

Look - let's face it. You don't want to eat meat - I'm not telling you you should,

I want to eat meat, what gives you the right to tell me I shouldn't?

You're no better than I am, so get down off your high horse and go eat some vegetables.

Originally posted by SWFC00
No. That's why I haven't read it for around five years. But my initial post was "Thank you for reminding me just why I despise The Sun! Animal Cruelty - Stamp It Out Campaign.
Talk about jumping on the back of a sales winner"...

The whole campaign is a cold hearted sham :suspect:

But that's The Sun for ya...

but most papers are guilty of that to increase sales would you have said the same if it was the mirror or somthing ?

but most papers are guilty of that to increase sales would you have said the same if it was the mirror or somthing ?

No. My reasons for not reading The Sun run quite deep (I'm not going to bore you with the reasons).

I understand what you are getting at Panda. And I actually agree with you about the fact that the majority of "tabloids" would have done something similar. But in my eyes The Sun always seem to go just that bit further than every other paper, it just makes me want to cringe when they, (how can I put it)?! Insult the intelligence (for want of a better word) of their readers & the British public as a whole.

I totally see your point of view mate, but think we should leave our "private discussion" before we dominate the entire thread... ;)

Originally posted by POB1
Sorry Lotti - didn't realize people might have a problem following a thread and stringing more than on issue together.

Sorry the rest of your post doesn't even warrant the time to type a reply.....
This forum has a structure for a reason. And rules - for a reason.

Of course you cannot reply when you cannot provide a well reasoned argument.


I hope the individuals who have been arrested are actually punished for this, and not just given rapped knuckles and a holiday :rant:

Originally posted by Strix

Of course you cannot reply when you cannot provide a well reasoned argument.


I hope the individuals who have been arrested are actually punished for this, and not just given rapped knuckles and a holiday :rant:

Please read my comment before answering - I didn't say I couldn't reply. I said the comments didn't warrant a reply.

This sort of tit for tat argument is not worthy of our time . I wont rise to any more of the little digs, ive obviously won this argument!

Anyway your other point is important. The individuals can only be punished to the extent that the law allows, ( max 6 months imprisonment) we also have to wait and see what defense if any these people put forward. The current legislation covering animal cruelty was drafted nearly 100 years ago and badly needs updating, the RSPCA website is worth checking out for details of proposed new laws.

Originally posted by POB1
ive obviously won this argument!
Using the same logic as your shoe recycling theory :roll:
'Anything I declare to be true is true'

Have you thought of putting your name down for pope next time round :loopy:

Originally posted by Strix


Have you thought of putting your name down for pope next time round :loopy:

Since I'm an Atheist don't think this is too likely.

Do you always add the annoying little face things to every dialogue?:rolleyes:

Thats it for this weekend ...more important work to do Ta ta

Originally posted by POB1
Do you always add the annoying little face things to every dialogue?:rolleyes:
Only when I'm not involved in a serious discussion :rolleyes:

Nice playground tactic BTW ;)

Originally posted by Strix
Using the same logic as your shoe recycling theory :roll:
'Anything I declare to be true is true'


Why do you keep going on about shoes? I said they were recyclable and they are. Please see new thread on this issue. Thank you.

[MOD NOTE] Can we all stop going round in circles now, please, and get back on topic. Thank you.

Originally posted by panda79
its things like this what really destroy my faith in human nature , i was going to suggest that they do the same to the ******** who did it but im sure some limp wristed do gooder will defend them:rant:

Well, I totally agree with what you said in your post about doing the same to the sicko's who did this to that poor animal.

I'm sorry to have to say this to the people of Barnsley, some of which are my family but this whole scenario has disgusted me about Barnsley as a town until some one either shops the people who did this or the people- and I loose that term loosely as they are not normal people like you and me- come forward and give themselves into the police.

I doubt that they will have the ******** to do that themselves though, so I urge the people of Barnsley to do the right thing and turn them in- they must know who has done this.

I believe in a few things in my life- you do not hurt animals and children, and you treat people as they should be treat- with dignity and respect- if you break any of those beliefs.. you should be punished to the maximum of the law.

Its disgusting- and the people who did this- should be ashamed, but I bet they are not.

i just wanted to say if i ever come across the evil ***** that did this ill kill them. i am obsessed with dals they are the most beautiful cretures on the earth and it sickens me that so called normal people could do this. i hope this picture and wat they have done haunts them forever, coz if i have my way when they r caught they will have thier ******* chopped off and fed to them then slowly hung by the neck while a rabid dog chews thier **** off. think ive made my views clear
leo

Originally posted by leobaby
i just wanted to say if i ever come across the evil ***** that did this ill kill them. i am obsessed with dals they are the most beautiful cretures on the earth and it sickens me that so called normal people could do this. i hope this picture and wat they have done haunts them forever, coz if i have my way when they r caught they will have thier *******chopped off and fed to them then slowly hung by the neck while a rabid dog chews thier **** off. think ive made my views clear
leo

I think you are a legend!
And I totally agree with what you just said :thumbsup:

My feelings exactly at this present time.

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Originally posted by SWFC00
... The Sun always seem to go just that bit further than every other paper, it just makes me want to cringe when they, (how can I put it)?! Insult the intelligence (for want of a better word) of their readers ...

Hmmm ... they (the Sun) have intelligent readers ...

Where on earth have they been hiding them ?

Whilst I agree with your feelings towards the animal I have to disagree with those of you that feel that an animal life is worth as much as human life (how controversial am I?) and, therefore, I do not feel that the criminals in this instance should be punished to the same degree as they would be if they had hanged a human being. Animals are not equal to humans, which is why we slaughter them and eat them every day...some of us that is. I am in no way underplaying this tragedy because it broke my heart to hear of this, but I feel that in our frustration, sight can be lost with regard to punishment of the perp.

It is so hard to imagine that people can do this to such defenceless and beautiful creatures because you are obviously such good people, and that is the point I wish to make right now. Although there is a lot of cruelty towards animals throughout the world, in your anger towards those people, please console yourselves in the knowledge that there are also some deeply caring and loving people out there too who give out more love than the amount of cruelty that exists in this world.

Originally posted by Jamie
Hmmm ... they (the Sun) have intelligent readers ...

Where on earth have they been hiding them ?

thats just snobbery plain and simple

Wondered if there was any update an this, any arrests made ?

I heard that two ppl have been arrested. Don't know how true that is though.

STill can't believe that someone could do that. :rant:

yeah two teenagers were arrested - haven't heard more since though.

No me neither. Hope they get life. Should be a life for a life I reckon.

Thanks, i thought someone might have been caught, trouble is now their parents are going to get the brunt of it once the names are released, don't you think ?

I would get these little ******** clip their penis off and let them bleed to death. I cannot see what was the necessity or the logic behind torturing an animal that cannot defend itself as such. Last time I witnessed teenagers beating up a street dog I left 2 of them on the pavement with broken faces. I disaprove violence and I seriously wish that is the last resort but kids like these should get locked up and hopefully someone in prison takes care of them if you know what i mean

Sorry if I was too aggressive

You dont have to say sorry Thanatos. You are totally right dude. Knowing the courts though, they will just have them on a supervision order.:loopy:

Originally posted by Thanatos
I would get these little ******** clip their penis off and let them bleed to death. I cannot see what was the necessity or the logic behind torturing an animal that cannot defend itself as such. Last time I witnessed teenagers beating up a street dog I left 2 of them on the pavement with broken faces. I disaprove violence and I seriously wish that is the last resort but kids like these should get locked up and hopefully someone in prison takes care of them if you know what i mean

Sorry if I was too aggressive

dont say all that on here as you will get all the sheffield forum do gooders club on your back defending the scumbags rights etc

Then I guess this would confirm my ideas about how people become less human day by day. I do not see why anyone would like to defend people like that. Today is a dog tomorrow is a human who knows with these little punks. Anyhow as I said i was sorry if i was too agressive but I strongly feel for matters as such.

Originally posted by poppins
Thanks, i thought someone might have been caught, trouble is now their parents are going to get the brunt of it once the names are released, don't you think ?

I don't know how old the perpetrators are, but don't you think that the parents should be named?
We have already heard that a 9 year old was "usually home by 11.00pm"!
Many parents are not taking their responsibilities seriously.
Or perhaps they feel that someone else should be watching out for their children.

Originally posted by Thanatos
I would get these little ******** clip their penis off and let them bleed to death. I cannot see what was the necessity or the logic behind torturing an animal that cannot defend itself as such. Last time I witnessed teenagers beating up a street dog I left 2 of them on the pavement with broken faces. I disaprove violence and I seriously wish that is the last resort but kids like these should get locked up and hopefully someone in prison takes care of them if you know what i mean

Sorry if I was too aggressive

Only one word for this mate!

LEGEND!!

We need more people like you, to wander the streets at night beating up aggresive drunks, and dispersing groups of hoodlums.

you could be a new form of neighbourhood watch!

You know what...... if that poor dog HAD defending itself it would probably have been put to sleep and the parents would be on TV saying how great thier kids are and how this dog attacked them.

This couuntry has gone 2 coq (trying to spell it a bit nicer there :rolleyes: )

The parents SHOULD take some of the blame. Kids aren't born that way IMO.