The question is 'Does a lady need to be 'ladylike' to be appealing.'

For instance, I tend to swear a bit too much sometimes, especially at the Mad Stad, is this really off putting boys?

Oh, and one time at a club, I was drinking a pint as we were all really skint and a bloke actually bought me a drink as he said it was horrible to see a girl like me with a pint in my hand! Rude? Or maybe not......

What do you think?

I don't think women have to be ladylike. One thing I personally dislike is sappy women who are continually moaning about their figure and how "fat" they are. I'd prefer a girl who was a bit more blokeish if it meant that she had a higher level of self-confidence. That's just me though. :)

Selective ladylikeness is the best thing- my g/f can be the most girly girly and look amazing in a dress and charm all the men but i also know that she will come to the pub and watch the football with us blokes and not feel out of place too :D :D

Everything in moderation!

The girl I'm attracted to atm is a bit of a party girl and drinks a lot more than I do, doesn't put me off her, just makes me so envious she can be a bit more relaxed (perhaps too relaxed).

I know some guys really have trouble with women not being stereotypical girly girly and being pretty assertive but if anything thats what I find most attractive.

Wilf

Originally posted by BrainThrust
Everything in moderation!

The girl I'm attracted to atm is a bit of a party girl and drinks a lot more than I do, doesn't put me off her, just makes me so envious she can be a bit more relaxed (perhaps too relaxed).

I know some guys really have trouble with women not being stereotypical girly girly and being pretty assertive but if anything thats what I find most attractive.

Wilf

retty much agree but it depends on the girl really. I can be attracted to girls at the more extreme ends of the spectrum also.

It would be interesting to see if the people who had a problem with women having "too many" previous partners woudl also have a problem with a woman not being ladylike enough.

Women are evil.

Ladylike or not, men will see whatever the attraction they see.

Originally posted by Clare85
The question is 'Does a lady need to be 'ladylike' to be appealing.'

For instance, I tend to swear a bit too much sometimes, especially at the Mad Stad, is this really off putting boys?

Oh, and one time at a club, I was drinking a pint as we were all really skint and a bloke actually bought me a drink as he said it was horrible to see a girl like me with a pint in my hand! Rude? Or maybe not......

What do you think?

I'm not a girlie girl person and don't mind girls that drink from a pint glass etc. The only thing I don't like is swearing, but that's across the board and doesn't just apply to women.

If someone isn't prepared to take you for what you are then are they really worth it?? If a bloke really likes you it shouldn't matter if you say the odd swear word or drink from a pint glass.

I don't like to hear anyone swearing too much, so I also wouldn't like it in my SO.
I've no problem if she wants to drink beer, wear jeans and be the highest grade at the jitsu club.

What about ladies who fart, burp, like the odd dirty joke and aint hung up on what they eat?

Lucky for me that my boyfriend doesnt mind, we have such a laugh cos we are so relaxed in each others company.

Friends of mine have had boyfriends who didnt like any of the above and said they would leave their girlfriends if they blew off in front of them, I dont understand that I really dont.

Originally posted by Avalon
Women are evil.

got it in 1 avalon sooner in life you learn that fact the easier it gets

My girlfriends lady like sometimes :P but to be fair, I'm not that bothered, I love her to pieces the way she is and wouldnt change her for the world :P

Originally posted by Clare85
The question is 'Does a lady need to be 'ladylike' to be appealing.'

For instance, I tend to swear a bit too much sometimes, especially at the Mad Stad, is this really off putting boys?

Oh, and one time at a club, I was drinking a pint as we were all really skint and a bloke actually bought me a drink as he said it was horrible to see a girl like me with a pint in my hand! Rude? Or maybe not......

What do you think?

*Personally speaking*, there is nothing more off-putting than a woman who swears a lot and doesn't try to act 'like a lady'. Drinking pints of beer is a no-no.

Originally posted by t020
*Personally speaking*, there is nothing more off-putting than a woman who swears a lot and doesn't try to act 'like a lady'. Drinking pints of beer is a no-no.

Alas, dear t, you have sounded the final death knell for my hopes for our future together.

Sometimes you have to accept that something you want to badly is just never going to happen.

:cry:

Originally posted by Avalon
Women are evil.

That's one of our best assets. Its a fine talent that requires years of practice :D

It's ok for a woman to drink a pint there's nothing wrong with that. A few of the women I drink with, especially the taller ones, often start with a pint but usually go on to halves, although I am a binge drinker and 10 minute pints aren't everyone's cup of tea.

If anything I wish women would be more happy with their curves. Only a small amount of men want skinny women, about 1/5th in a recent survey.

I also like women to wear womens clothes occasionally rather than jeans all the time, but I would never complain about it. So many women with nice legs never let them out, even in the summer it's a real shame. Always hidden under jeans.

Burps and farts are no problem for me, neither am I intimidated by groups of women who try to be overly disgusting with their conversation matter.

Overblown swearing in either sex just makes me less interested in conversation. Better to improve your vocabulary, but the occasional well placed swear word can be used to great effect, but not every day please.

Originally posted by t020
*Personally speaking*, there is nothing more off-putting than a woman who swears a lot and doesn't try to act 'like a lady'. Drinking pints of beer is a no-no.

where do you stand on women wearing trousers, or working for a living, or voting ?

Originally posted by nick2
where do you stand on women wearing trousers, or working for a living, or voting ?

*Goes to fetch the ring announcer and referee*

Originally posted by medusa666
*Goes to fetch the ring announcer and referee*

*just making myself comfortable*

Personally I think women should be allowed to drink, do and wear whatever the hell they want to.

So what if they drink Pints?! So what if they walk round half naked on a regular basis?! That's their choice, that's what THEY choose to do and how they choose to live their lives...

The likes of t020 need to wake up and smell the coffee IMO, this is the 21st Century FFS! Women like Emeline Pankhurst didn't top themselves for nothing you know, they did it in the name of fighting for Women's rights etc.

And no, that was not a dig before he starts running off to the Mods trying to get me banned.

Originally posted by Avalon
Women are evil.

We try our best ;)

Originally posted by t020
*Personally speaking*, there is nothing more off-putting than a woman who swears a lot and doesn't try to act 'like a lady'. Drinking pints of beer is a no-no.


So it's ok for you to do it but not a woman?.........please explain

I don't want a woman to pretend to be anything she isn't..

Just act natural, pretense is pointless :D

Altho I do love a woman who can drink, the other half has that very special quality :hihi:

Originally posted by t020
*Personally speaking*, there is nothing more off-putting than a woman who swears a lot and doesn't try to act 'like a lady'. Drinking pints of beer is a no-no.

Ahh, T020, you never let us down on the Forum, do you?

You sum up the phrase "All Surface, No Feeling" so well.

I feel sorry for you. Sad. Have you ever actually spoken to a real person?

StarSparkle

Originally posted by t020
*Personally speaking*, there is nothing more off-putting than a woman who swears a lot and doesn't try to act 'like a lady'. Drinking pints of beer is a no-no.

I think you are just quoting some man who has not seen a woman in a long time. And have been reading lots of Enid Blyton. All those ideas of the 1950s were all fiction you know!

Originally posted by t020
*Personally speaking*, there is nothing more off-putting than a woman who swears a lot and doesn't try to act 'like a lady'. Drinking pints of beer is a no-no.

Well no man will ever separate me and my beer lol..in fact the first thing I'm doing on my 18th birthday is going to the pub and having a pint!

Originally posted by muddycoffee
I think you are just quoting some man who has not seen a woman in a long time. And have been reading lots of Enid Blyton. All those ideas of the 1950s were all fiction you know!

I do have a mental image of him trimming his privet, wearing a cardigan and smoking a pipe while "the little lady" makes melon gondolas in the kitchen for when George and Cynthia pop round for a cocktail on their way to the golf club.

I have a mental image of most people on here.

:)

Originally posted by nick2
I do have a mental image of him trimming his privet, wearing a cardigan and smoking a pipe while "the little lady" makes melon gondolas in the kitchen for when George and Cynthia pop round for a cocktail on their way to the golf club.

I have a mental image of most people on here.

:)

:clap: I love it. *sniggers*

Originally posted by nick2
I do have a mental image of him trimming his privet, wearing a cardigan and smoking a pipe while "the little lady" makes melon gondolas in the kitchen for when George and Cynthia pop round for a cocktail on their way to the golf club.

I have a mental image of most people on here.

:)

He probably has a son called Tarquin and/or a Daughter called Jocasta.. He's probably even called Tarquin or some other posh name himself :D

It was the melon gondolas and George and Cynthia. :hihi:

Originally posted by nick2

I have a mental image of most people on here.

:)

Dare I ask what mine is..?

;)

Personally speaking i prefer a lass who drinks pints
cause my local used to sell pints for £1.54 and halfs for £1.10
i was quids in if she got p*ssed after two pints
:clap:

Originally posted by kentboy119
Dare I ask what mine is..?

;)


I think he should have his own thread for that. :D

Originally posted by kentboy119
Dare I ask what mine is..?

;)

Or mine?

And no, I do not look like a you-know-what so don't even go there..

Originally posted by sugarnspice
I think he should have his own thread for that. :D

You beat me to it, Sugar!

I was going to suggest Nick started a new thread..... but then I wondered if I might live to regret it..... :suspect:

StarSparkle

Originally posted by Clare85
The question is 'Does a lady need to be 'ladylike' to be appealing.'

For instance, I tend to swear a bit too much sometimes, especially at the Mad Stad, is this really off putting boys?

Oh, and one time at a club, I was drinking a pint as we were all really skint and a bloke actually bought me a drink as he said it was horrible to see a girl like me with a pint in my hand! Rude? Or maybe not......

What do you think?

I am a female too but would just say be yourself, honey. Don't ever feel the need to change yourself for the sake of a man. ;)

Originally posted by StarSparkle
You beat me to it, Sugar!

I was going to suggest Nick started a new thread..... but then I wondered if I might live to regret it..... :suspect:

StarSparkle

It would be hilarious I just know it. :hihi:

My bloke does not like me to Swear, Burp or Fart!!

Being a thoughtful, caring and considerate person - I take note of his dislikes and amend my behaviour accordingly!

When he leaves for work I let blast with a torrid of built up wind which eminates from every orifice and if I get any early morning visitors I blame the Dog or the Drains!

:gag:

Everybody burps and passes wind though, even the Queen.. Granted it's not nice to do it in public but sometimes you just can't help letting rip at the most inopportune time..

Originally posted by nick2
where do you stand on women wearing trousers, or working for a living, or voting ?

No problem, no problem, and no problem. It's just a matter of personal preference regarding how appealing it is for a woman to be behaving like a man. Where do you stand on gay men dressed like women, giggling like girls and wearing perfume? Would that put you off them as a potential suitor?

Originally posted by Rich
Personally I think women should be allowed to drink, do and wear whatever the hell they want to.

So what if they drink Pints?! So what if they walk round half naked on a regular basis?! That's their choice, that's what THEY choose to do and how they choose to live their lives...

The likes of t020 need to wake up and smell the coffee IMO, this is the 21st Century FFS! Women like Emeline Pankhurst didn't top themselves for nothing you know, they did it in the name of fighting for Women's rights etc.

And no, that was not a dig before he starts running off to the Mods trying to get me banned.

How is your missus anyway, Rich? :hihi:

Originally posted by the_rudeboy
So it's ok for you to do it but not a woman?.........please explain

No, it's ok for me to do it AND ok for a woman to do it. The question was whether it would put me off them, not whether they could do it - which of course they can. I merely provided an honest answer.

Originally posted by StarSparkle
Ahh, T020, you never let us down on the Forum, do you?

You sum up the phrase "All Surface, No Feeling" so well.

I feel sorry for you. Sad. Have you ever actually spoken to a real person?

StarSparkle

You're speaking like I'm unique in this view... did you not read the original poster's post? It was built around the fact that her experience has shown her some men don't like "ladettes".

To be honest I don't actually drink with any women who drink pints. Maybe that is why it doesn't quite look right when I see it. I wouldn't be so shallow as to choose a mate on such a thing though.

I asked my girlfriend if she has ever drunk pints (the research I do for these threads, honestly...) and she said 'I did when I was younger, but I don't now because it looks scrubby for women'. Which I think is quite accurate. It looks fine when it's a group of students, but not something you see many women doing.

I really couldn't care less if they drink pints, fart, burp or do whatever they want to do.

If you like someone that much then you would not expect, or even want them to change, as subtle changes could very well put you off what you found attractive in the first place.

c

The OP's question was...
"Does a lady need to be 'ladylike' to be appealing."

Some of you seem to be answering a different question entirely, one about what a girl/woman/female should be allowed to do...

T020 answered the question honestly and was attacked by one or two for his pains... Surely he's permitted to have an opinion like anyone else?

I agree with him to a great extent, a woman who is feminine holds far more appeal for me than a 'liberated' woman who is 'one of the lads', with all that entails. It's a matter of personal choice, not a condemnation of those that don't fit that description in my eyes.

And no, I don't have a cardy, clip the privet regularly wearing sandals or sip cocktails... Don't think I've ever had a cocktail in my life, come to that!

A lady doesn't need to be 'ladylike' to be appealing but she does as far as I'm concerned... Though definitions of 'ladylike' obviously vary... ;)

I dont think that T020 has said anything wrong.. and where on earth you got the image of a bloke in a cardigan chopping his hedge from is beyond me !?

He gave an honest opinion - of which he was asked and was attacked for it!!

Personally i don't like loud letchy blokes that swear alot and get drunk into stupidity...it just doesn't do it for me.. but that doesn't mean i'm at home in a pinny baking butterfly buns !!!
:rolleyes:

i'm no where near a girly girl i do swear but not offensively and i don't drink from a pint glass, i prefer the bottle !! :P

But on the other hand i can quite easily be a lady when i want to be..

;)

I think the perceived problem with saying that you only like "ladylike" women, is that the whole idea of what is an isn't acceptable 'ladylike' behaviour is a male invention.

And to say that you only like that type of women is in some subtle way reinforcing that male imposition of behaviour on women.

I don't suppose it's a conscious decision though, so i guess it comes back to your whole attitude (as a man) towards women.
There certainly seems to be a theme running through most peoples posts on this and related topics.
And some attitudes to me, just sound rather like they are coming out of the 60's or 70's.

Originally posted by Cyclone
...some attitudes to me, just sound rather like they are coming out of the 60's or 70's.
Ah! But that's when, for some of us, those attitudes were formed... Before unisex and ladettes were so evident. I doubt that your own attitude will change greatly as you get older. ;)

Originally posted by spooks
I dont think that T020 has said anything wrong.. and where on earth you got the image of a bloke in a cardigan chopping his hedge from is beyond me !?



From previous posts.

I was having a bit of a laugh, I promise not to do it again. I'll take everything very seriously from now on.

Okay.. that's fair enough then nick.. ! :cool:

Originally posted by dawny1
My bloke does not like me to Swear, Burp or Fart!!

Being a thoughtful, caring and considerate person - I take note of his dislikes and amend my behaviour accordingly!

When he leaves for work I let blast with a torrid of built up wind which eminates from every orifice and if I get any early morning visitors I blame the Dog or the Drains!

:gag:

For some reason I can't get the image of Les Battersby's bird Cilla out of my head after reading that.

You certainly paint a vivid picture dawny ;)

So you've found what you think is this perfect woman, right? Attractive, funny, loads of things in common, and you're getting on famously - possibly, in the back of your mind, thoughts of possible marriage, a family home in Dore (live the dream) and a couple of ankle biters around the place.

Then you take her to down the pub for the first time and – oh, the HORROR – she orders a pint! Your dreams are crushed, she gets the heave-ho, and it's back to a life of Pot Noodles and setting the video for The Bill for you. Life can be so cruel. :(

What a GHASTLY thought, Greenback... (Marriage!) ;)

I have always had a penchant for refined, ladylike women who speak and dress well and who are well mannered and subtley fragrant. I attribute my predilection to the fact that during my childhood I had a crush on Julie Andrews, in her Mary Poppins/Sound of Music days. She was my ideal woman at the time and probably still shapes my preferences in this regard.

I think, as someone pointed out, there is a difference between what you think is acceptable and what you find attractive.

I don't care if women wear mens clothes all the time, drink pints, smoke cigars, watch football, read lad's mags or whatever, but I personally don't find a woman who is so much like a man attractive... and if you do, good luck to you, but maybe you've got deeper issues!

I think that as far as the burping and farting thing is concerned, it is a natural thing and nobody can help it. I do find it equally repulsive in men and women when they relish burping and farting as loud as they can because they think it's funny... there's a difference.

Originally posted by Avalon
Women are evil.

Random comment, who scorned you lately then?

Originally posted by spooks
I dont think that T020 has said anything wrong.. and where on earth you got the image of a bloke in a cardigan chopping his hedge from is beyond me !?

He gave an honest opinion - of which he was asked and was attacked for it!!

Personally i don't like loud letchy blokes that swear alot and get drunk into stupidity...it just doesn't do it for me.. but that doesn't mean i'm at home in a pinny baking butterfly buns !!!
:rolleyes:

i'm no where near a girly girl i do swear but not offensively and i don't drink from a pint glass, i prefer the bottle !! :P

But on the other hand i can quite easily be a lady when i want to be..

;)

I agree. When needs must I can be the most polite 'parents wet dream' girl. At other times I drink too much, swear too much talk about toilet habits etc etc...depends who I am with. I like foul mouthed me better but I can do both.

This is funny. It is absolutely beyond me why anyone - male or female - would drink halves when it simply means more time standing at the bar.

Although, if I was dating some of the blokes on this forum, I guess spending half the night waiting to be served would be a welcome respite from conversations about the privet hedge.

Originally posted by intooblivion
I agree. When needs must I can be the most polite 'parents wet dream' girl. At other times I drink too much, swear too much talk about toilet habits etc etc...depends who I am with. I like foul mouthed me better but I can do both.

Exactly right, Intooblivion - well said.

I'm the same - I appear very ladylike and feminine on the surface, both in looks and in manner, and I am, but that's only one aspect of me. I can swear like a trooper if required, and that's no less me than the ladylike part. The point being - I'm a complicated human being, not some Dresden-doll figurine whose only purpose is to smile prettily.

I'd like to think we're all complex beings, who are more than one-dimensional cardboard cut-outs, who always act the same in every situation.

What I was taking issue with T020 on this thread was that his whole attitude towards women is patronising, to say the least, and would be more appropriate in 1905 than 2005. I would go so far as to say I genuinely think he regards women as some sort of objects, to be admired and complimented when necessary, but in no way to be taken seriously or in any way approaching men as to their importance.

I find it a disturbing attitude, and it is rife in his postings, not just on this thread.

Personally, I do like to think of myself as a lady, and expect to be treated as such. For example, I have never drunk a pint in my life. I would, however, if I wanted to. And I wouldn't care whether anyone else found it attractive or not, it's nothing to do with anyone else.

I find heavy drinking/ rude behaviour/ sleeping around totally off-putting in both sexes and really quite sad, and find the current lad/ladette culture very worrying and unhealthy. It's not something that holds any appeal whatsoever for me, but I'm not so shallow as to condemn anyone else if they enjoy it. (As long as they don't harm others as a result).

StarSparkle

Originally posted by tingle
This is funny. It is absolutely beyond me why anyone - male or female - would drink halves when it simply means more time standing at the bar.

If you are a slow drinker, then you are better drinking halves, for one thing beer goes a bit flat after about 20 minutes in a glass, it will taste much better if you have a small glass and fill it up more often.

In local pubs where they don't allow you to drink out of bottles, then newcastle brown is best drunk out of a half glass, which you replenish so that you always drink out of the bottom half of the glass.. never fill the glass to the brim.
It tastes terrible out of a pint glass, but like this "the proper way" it always tastes fresh and flavoursome.

Originally posted by StarSparkle

What I was taking issue with T020 on this thread was that his whole attitude towards women is patronising, to say the least, and would be more appropriate in 1905 than 2005. I would go so far as to say I genuinely think he regards women as some sort of objects, to be admired and complimented when necessary, but in no way to be taken seriously or in any way approaching men as to their importance.

I find it a disturbing attitude, and it is rife in his postings, not just on this thread.


What utter nonsense, and I'm offended you think of me in such a way, to be frank. I'm not the only one to not find "ladettes" attractive - read the thread. And I've also stated that it's perfectly acceptable for them to act as masculine as they like, but that wasn't the question posed. I also believe our greatest Prime Minister was Margaret Thatcher, so how does that stand up in your "t020 is a sexist" campaign? Get a grip, please.

Originally posted by muddycoffee
If you are a slow drinker, then you are better drinking halves, for one thing beer goes a bit flat after about 20 minutes in a glass, it will taste much better if you have a small glass and fill it up more often.

Hmm, but this assumes the drinker is actually bothered by what the alcoholic beverage tastes like. Sometimes, if it's wet and it sets your foot tapping to the disco music playing on the jukebox, that's all that matters.

The proportions of the glass? Meh.

The proportions of the jugs? Far more interesting.

*removes Sid the Sexist mask*

Originally posted by StarSparkle

I find heavy drinking/ rude behaviour/ sleeping around totally off-putting in both sexes and really quite sad, and find the current lad/ladette culture very worrying and unhealthy. It's not something that holds any appeal whatsoever for me, but I'm not so shallow as to condemn anyone else if they enjoy it. (As long as they don't harm others as a result).

StarSparkle

Which is exactly what I've thought and said all along, so now I'm really confused.

Originally posted by t020
What utter nonsense, and I'm offended you think of me in such a way, to be frank. I'm not the only one to not find "ladettes" attractive - read the thread. And I've also stated that it's perfectly acceptable for them to act as masculine as they like, but that wasn't the question posed. I also believe our greatest Prime Minister was Margaret Thatcher, so how does that stand up in your "t020 is a sexist" campaign? Get a grip, please.

You really have no self-awareness, do you? Perhaps you really don't see what a complete sexist you are. And, believe me, I am no feminist.

And Margaret Thatcher was effectively a man in all that matters in politics. Her premiership represented all that was worst about male values. To get to be prime minister, she had to be more alpha-male than all the other males around her.

If that's the sort of 'woman' you admire, what can I say.

StarSparkle

I think it's just the way you word things T020

"*Personally speaking*, there is nothing more off-putting than a woman who swears a lot and doesn't try to act 'like a lady'."

you make it sound like (and this is just how i'm interpreting what you wrote) that in order to please you, they should act in a certain way (despite how they would prefer to act).

You did also say that drinking a pint is a no no. This isn't the same as 'heavy drinking' or the other things you agreed with starSparkle on.

Originally posted by StarSparkle
And Margaret Thatcher was effectively a man in all that matters in politics. Her premiership represented all that was worst about male values. To get to be prime minister, she had to be more alpha-male than all the other males around her.

....StarSparkle

That is what I was about to say..

Well I have really got this party started! Oi Oiiiiii! Thanks for everyones opinions though!

Originally posted by StarSparkle
If that's the sort of 'woman' you admire, what can I say.


Well, you can't imagine her having slept around can you ?

This goes both ways doesn't it?

I'm quite a ladylike person appearence-wise, and in manners most of the time (I hope!). I don't generally drink pints because I don't like them. My stomach is too small so I just feel all wishy washy and gasey, which in uncomfortable. Give me a nice glass of red wine any day.

But I wouldn't choose a 10-pints-a-night man as a partner either. There's nothing more unattractive that a p****d-up lager lout with a huge belly, foul mouth and no manners. In my personal opinion.

But a larger-swilling oaf might rather like a girlfriend who can burp along with him and drink him under the table.

This doesn't mean that I am in any way simpering or submissive - in fact I probably have bigger balls (hypothetically speaking) than most of the men on this Forum.

Attraction is a very personal thing. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so it's best just to be yourself, and someone will find you attractive. Try to modify your behaviour for the opposite sex and you'll probably end up enticing the wrong person for you anyway.

My friend once said to me the perfect woman is a lady outside the bedroom and a whore within the bed room :-)

I didn't want to alter his words, and as politically incorrect as it may sound I agree with him.

Definately think laddo girls are a massive turnoff.

posture, mannerisms etc are a definate plus!

Originally posted by JBee
This goes both ways doesn't it?

I'm quite a ladylike person appearence-wise, and in manners most of the time (I hope!). I don't generally drink pints because I don't like them. My stomach is too small so I just feel all wishy washy and gasey, which in uncomfortable. Give me a nice glass of red wine any day.

But I wouldn't choose a 10-pints-a-night man as a partner either. There's nothing more unattractive that a p****d-up lager lout with a huge belly, foul mouth and no manners. In my personal opinion.

But a larger-swilling oaf might rather like a girlfriend who can burp along with him and drink him under the table.

This doesn't mean that I am in any way simpering or submissive - in fact I probably have bigger balls (hypothetically speaking) than most of the men on this Forum.

Attraction is a very personal thing. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so it's best just to be yourself, and someone will find you attractive. Try to modify your behaviour for the opposite sex and you'll probably end up enticing the wrong person for you anyway.

Seconded by me.

Summed up beautifully, JBee. :thumbsup:

StarSparkle

Originally posted by Clare85
The question is 'Does a lady need to be 'ladylike' to be appealing.'

For instance, I tend to swear a bit too much sometimes, especially at the Mad Stad, is this really off putting boys?

Oh, and one time at a club, I was drinking a pint as we were all really skint and a bloke actually bought me a drink as he said it was horrible to see a girl like me with a pint in my hand! Rude? Or maybe not......

What do you think?

To be honest Claire i would not give a damn if a woman swore, drinks pints and acts laddish! As long as there is a time and a place.

For example; if its just the two of us at home or in the pub then i would not have a problem with the way she acted as long as she enjoyed herself. If we are out in a group or something more refined then i would expect her to act within the restrictions of the environemnt and understand the feelings of the people around.

In your example at a club then in that sort of environment where you are doing the same as your mates what does it matter?? Unless it was a country club where its high society!!

Like i said, behave in accordance to the environment your in. Get yourself to The Nelson on Saturday night...plenty of women drinking pints there!! :thumbsup:

Originally posted by StarSparkle
You really have no self-awareness, do you? Perhaps you really don't see what a complete sexist you are. And, believe me, I am no feminist.


I'm not a sexist.

Originally posted by StarSparkle

I find heavy drinking/ rude behaviour/ sleeping around totally off-putting in both sexes and really quite sad, and find the current lad/ladette culture very worrying and unhealthy. It's not something that holds any appeal whatsoever for me, but I'm not so shallow as to condemn anyone else if they enjoy it. (As long as they don't harm others as a result).


Which is also what I think, so howcome you're allowed to say it but I get condemned as a sexist for expressing pretty much the same opinion?

If you're going to accuse me of being a sexist, then at least show some evidence of it. Finding masculine-like females unattractive is hardly sexist. Objecting to them would be, but I don't and never would.

Originally posted by Cyclone

you make it sound like (and this is just how i'm interpreting what you wrote) that in order to please you, they should act in a certain way (despite how they would prefer to act).


No, I made it sound like that wouldn't be attractive to me, which is what the original poster was asking about in the first place. People can act how they like.

To put things into context:

Q. "The question is 'Does a lady need to be 'ladylike' to be appealing.' **snip - story**
What do you think?"

A. "*Personally speaking*, there is nothing more off-putting than a woman who swears a lot and doesn't try to act 'like a lady'. Drinking pints of beer is a no-no."

Originally posted by t020
I'm not a sexist.



Which is also what I think, so howcome you're allowed to say it but I get condemned as a sexist for expressing pretty much the same opinion?

If you're going to accuse me of being a sexist, then at least show some evidence of it. Finding masculine-like females unattractive is hardly sexist. Objecting to them would be, but I don't and never would.

To be honest after reading this thread i cant see how this guy can be called a sexist.

He states what he likes and does not like in a woman. Whats sexist about that???

Cant comment on his previous threads but he seems ok on this one!

I think one or two ladys on this thread have stated they would be put off by lager louts etc. Does that make you sexist?

Your all jumping on a bandwagon to attack t020. Lay off unless you have some concrete evidence.

I would not like to have a relationship with a muslim girl but i am friends with muslims. Does that mean i'm racist?

By the way...I mean that due to culture differences. If a muslim girl did rock my boat them i could come over the differences, but doubt that would happen. Who knows?

Originally posted by RobT
To be honest after reading this thread i cant see how this guy can be called a sexist.

He states what he likes and does not like in a woman. Whats sexist about that???

Cant comment on his previous threads but he seems ok on this one!

I think one or two ladys on this thread have stated they would be put off by lager louts etc. Does that make you sexist?

Your all jumping on a bandwagon to attack t020. Lay off unless you have some concrete evidence.



It's his ATTITUDE - it comes over loud and clear.

StarSparkle

I'd agree that people are jumping on the bandwaggon a bit with insulting T020. I don't see anything sexist about any of his posts I've read. So he doesn't like a "ladette" type woman? So what? I don't like "laddy" blokes who are only interested in football and beer. Does that make me sexist???

Of course it doesn't, it just means I have preferences. I didn't know that was so bad? Seriously, you guys do, like he said, need to get a grip.

In terms of the whole ladette thing, I don't see anything wrong with other girls doing it, but its really not for me. Mainly because beer is digusting! And I like dressing up to go out and wearing high heels, it makes me feel sexy! I suppose people should just act/dress the way that they are most comfortable and then you know the people who are attracted to you are attracted to the real you, not a facade.

Originally posted by t020
No, I made it sound like that wouldn't be attractive to me, which is what the original poster was asking about in the first place. People can act how they like.

To put things into context:

Q. "The question is 'Does a lady need to be 'ladylike' to be appealing.' **snip - story**
What do you think?"

A. "*Personally speaking*, there is nothing more off-putting than a woman who swears a lot and doesn't try to act 'like a lady'. Drinking pints of beer is a no-no."

amazing, you know how it sounded to me!

What exactly has the size of a drink receptacle got to do with ladyness or not anyway?

Originally posted by Lucy_Smith
I'd agree that people are jumping on the bandwaggon a bit with insulting T020. I don't see anything sexist about any of his posts I've read. So he doesn't like a "ladette" type woman? So what? I don't like "laddy" blokes who are only interested in football and beer. Does that make me sexist???

Of course it doesn't, it just means I have preferences. I didn't know that was so bad? Seriously, you guys do, like he said, need to get a grip.

In terms of the whole ladette thing, I don't see anything wrong with other girls doing it, but its really not for me. Mainly because beer is digusting! And I like dressing up to go out and wearing high heels, it makes me feel sexy! I suppose people should just act/dress the way that they are most comfortable and then you know the people who are attracted to you are attracted to the real you, not a facade.

If you can't follow the arguments on a thread, Lucy, don't post.

It's T020's whole attitude to women - on this and many other threads - that is revoltingly sexist. Like Cyclone pointed out, it's his manner as much as what he says that is dismissive of and patronising towards women. I really cannot believe some people are having such difficulty coming to grips with this.

And by the way, I have got a grip, thank you, Lucy. If, as a woman, you don't find T020's attitude offensive, then I suggest YOU need to get a grip.

StarSparkle

Originally posted by StarSparkle
It's his ATTITUDE - it comes over loud and clear.

StarSparkle


Oh, my 'attitude'. Reality time: you don't know me, this is a forum, and you can interpret text any way you like but aren't necessarily right. I know I'm not sexist, regardless of how well you seem to think you know me.

Thanks to everyone who has offered words of support.

He is not a sexist. This thread was for opinions, you will always have different opinions on a forum, that much is obvious.

Calling somebody a sexist is completely unfair however and could result in great offence.

Originally posted by Cyclone
amazing, you know how it sounded to me!

What exactly has the size of a drink receptacle got to do with ladyness or not anyway?


It's just a social trait, just like if I went to a bar and sipped on a small glass of Bailey's all night I'd appear "feminine".

For me smoking is a big turn off.

Originally posted by t020
It's just a social trait, just like if I went to a bar and sipped on a small glass of Bailey's all night I'd appear "feminine".

Acctually I can see where you're coming from. I know that sitting there with a pint isn't feminine. Just like sitting there sipping wine isn't macho!

Originally posted by FilthFan
Acctually I can see where you're coming from. I know that sitting there with a pint isn't feminine. Just like sitting there sipping wine isn't macho!

Now, sitting there sipping wine is sophisticated!

Originally posted by t020
Now, sitting there sipping wine is sophisticated!

Not something you expect a bloke to do though...if you think of steriotypes. Just making a point is all not trying to make it look like I agree with steriotyping...

Originally posted by StarSparkle
If you can't follow the arguments on a thread, Lucy, don't post.

It's T020's whole attitude to women - on this and many other threads - that is revoltingly sexist. Like Cyclone pointed out, it's his manner as much as what he says that is dismissive of and patronising towards women. I really cannot believe some people are having such difficulty coming to grips with this.

And by the way, I have got a grip, thank you, Lucy. If, as a woman, you don't find T020's attitude offensive, then I suggest YOU need to get a grip.

StarSparkle

Thank you for that well written reply, I have read all the arguments and don't see how T020 can be accused of being sexist because he *personally* doesn't like ladettes.

The reason I told you to get a grip is because I don't automatically scream "SEXIST" as soon as somebody dislikes something about the opposite sex. Could you please explain how I am sexist for not *personally* being attracted to "laddy" men?

I don't find T020's attitude offensive and I haven't done on other threads. In most threads he gives *his opinion* on things and although you may disagree with what he writes, it doesn't make your opinion any more valid.

If YOU read all the posts you may well find there are others that have said they don't find women who behave in a masculine way attractive, and yet T020 is the only person you have picked on.

Maybe you are "T020-ist"???

Originally posted by nick2


I have a mental image of most people on here.

:)

Here (I think) is how you (and many others) see me.

He has the personality of a plank of wood and the sophistication of a gibbon. He lurks, sinister around society like an unwanted and faintly nausiating presence.

His hidious counternance is contorted with unsatisfied lust and appears before innocent young virgins like some terrific vision of hell.

If you lot think that not being attracted to "ladettes" is sexist then what would you think of real sexism? People are blowing this out of proportion! Not being attracted to someone doesn't make you sexist I mean what? Do people think gay/lesbian people are sexist because they aren't attracted to the opposite sex? Or that hetrosexual people are sexist because they aren't attracted to the same sex?

Originally posted by Lucy_Smith
Thank you for that well written reply, I have read all the arguments and don't see how T020 can be accused of being sexist because he *personally* doesn't like ladettes.

The reason I told you to get a grip is because I don't automatically scream "SEXIST" as soon as somebody dislikes something about the opposite sex. Could you please explain how I am sexist for not *personally* being attracted to "laddy" men?

I don't find T020's attitude offensive and I haven't done on other threads. In most threads he gives *his opinion* on things and although you may disagree with what he writes, it doesn't make your opinion any more valid.

**If YOU read all the posts you may well find there are others that have said they don't find women who behave in a masculine way attractive, and yet T020 is the only person you have picked on.

Maybe you are "T020-ist"???

In agreement here, just because his opinions do not fit in with the Guardian-reading, Sheffielder, doesn't mean they're wrong!


** It's because they don't like him being happy/proud of his district; if you bother to read the guy's posts, they're informative and educating. Unfortunately, many people will probably think "oh S11 boy", and move on.

An opinion is an opinion - you need to be aware that you may not like it. An authoritarian against a group of liberalists - of course you're going to get issues.

Regards,
KentBoy

:)

I am a very happy multi-personality female.

At work (in a jewellery shop) I dress smartly and effeminately with a manner to match.

When I go out with girlfriends, I dress up to the nines and drink red wine.

When I'm going to the football; jeans, t-shirt, swearing and pints of Stella :)

My boyfriend has seen all of my guises and seems to like all of them, none of them are a "fake" me and I refuse so act how anyone expects me to. He likes me dressing nicely to go out with him. He also enjoys my company at the football.

You either like me or you don't. Doesn't matter to me! I'd never change myself for a man or anyone.

Be happy and confident in yourself and someone will be attracted to you for that!

Originally posted by Lucy_Smith
Thank you for that well written reply, I have read all the arguments and don't see how T020 can be accused of being sexist because he *personally* doesn't like ladettes.

The reason I told you to get a grip is because I don't automatically scream "SEXIST" as soon as somebody dislikes something about the opposite sex. Could you please explain how I am sexist for not *personally* being attracted to "laddy" men?

I don't find T020's attitude offensive and I haven't done on other threads. In most threads he gives *his opinion* on things and although you may disagree with what he writes, it doesn't make your opinion any more valid.

If YOU read all the posts you may well find there are others that have said they don't find women who behave in a masculine way attractive, and yet T020 is the only person you have picked on.

Maybe you are "T020-ist"???

Do I really have to explain this to you using words of one syllable?

Of course everyone has their own opinion; people express those views on the forum; these views differ; sometimes you will agree with what someone says, other times you will take great issue with them.

Lots of people have expressed their opinions - all of them totally valid - on this thread. It is, of course, down to the individual what they find attractive or not in a member of the opposite sex. Nobody is arguing with that for a moment.

T020, however, does not just give his opinion - his whole condescending attitude towards women comes out again and again throughout his postings, and I, personally, do find it offensive.

I have never accused anyone else of being sexist on this Forum - I do not shout 'sexist' at every opportunity, and am by no stretch of the imagination a feminist.

I find members both sexes who over-indulge in alcohol and who generally behave in a 'laddish' fashion quite pathetic. I wouldn't generally find this sort of person attractive, but wouldn't automatically discount someone for perhaps behaving like that on the odd occasion if I was looking for a partner. Hopefully I look deeper at a person than that. Peple are multi-dimensional, you know, and to write a woman off asgirlfriend material simply because she might choose to drink from a pint glass is, frankly, ridiculous.

T020 is not sexist because he doesn't like ladettes, he is sexist because of his whole attitude to women.

I hope that's sufficiently simple for you to grasp, Lucy?

StarSparkle

Originally posted by FilthFan
If you lot think that not being attracted to "ladettes" is sexist then what would you think of real sexism? People are blowing this out of proportion! Not being attracted to someone doesn't make you sexist I mean what? Do people think gay/lesbian people are sexist because they aren't attracted to the opposite sex? Or that hetrosexual people are sexist because they aren't attracted to the same sex?

If you read the thread properly, I think you'll find no-one is saying this.

StarSparkle

I agree with lucy on this one. T020 isn't sexist because of his attitude to women. surely it takes more than that to be a sexist, I mean, take my grandfather, he is old fasioned, hel likes my grandmother to be the little wife, bake cakes and make his dinner, she's a quiet woman but she doesn't mind because she loves him. He's not sexist he just wouldn't find a woman who swears, drinks pints and is loud attractive..

T020 seems to think women shouldn't drink pints etc but that's what he doesn't find attractive. I personally see no fault with this. What other things is he sexist about? I've seen no evidence of sexism on T020's part.

Originally posted by StarSparkle
If you read the thread properly, I think you'll find no-one is saying this.

StarSparkle


I have read the thread properly thankyou starsparkle and came to this conclusion, it was an example.

I'm sorry, but I have to agree that I've not found anything T020's said to be offensive.

I've noticed that he gets attacked, reagardless of what he says, just because of who he is.

I've found - and without exception - all his posts to be well thought out and reasoned, more so than a lot of others that automatically attack others (and I'm not talking about anyone on this thread, btw).

I suspect that the majority of hard feelings stem from before I was a member, but I cannot find fault with any of the posts I've seen, even if there's some I don't agree with.

And I'm a ladette. :blush:

Originally posted by BoroughGal
I'm sorry, but I have to agree that I've not found anything T020's said to be offensive.

I've noticed that he gets attacked, reagardless of what he says, just because of who he is.

I've found - and without exception - all his posts to be well thought out and reasoned, more so than a lot of others that automatically attack others (and I'm not talking about anyone on this thread, btw).

I suspect that the majority of hard feelings stem from before I was a member, but I cannot find fault with any of the posts [i[I've[/i] seen, even if there's some I don't agree with.

And I'm a ladette. :blush:

agree completely with that, you said it well.:thumbsup:

Originally posted by BoroughGal
I'm sorry, but I have to agree that I've not found anything T020's said to be offensive.

I've noticed that he gets attacked, reagardless of what he says, just because of who he is.

I've found - and without exception - all his posts to be well thought out and reasoned, more so than a lot of others that automatically attack others (and I'm not talking about anyone on this thread, btw).

I suspect that the majority of hard feelings stem from before I was a member, but I cannot find fault with any of the posts [i[I've[/i] seen, even if there's some I don't agree with.

And I'm a ladette. :blush:

Totally agree

Star Sparkle - so what you are trying to say is that it isn't about what he has said on this thread, just that he has a "sexist" attitude regarding women? Because if I were T020 I would find it quite insulting that people think they can label me sexist when they don't even know me. But hey, you obviously feel you are qualified in calling him sexist so go ahead. Shout it to the world! You should realise however that other people (not just me so don't start becoming all Lucy-ist as well) disagree with you and you don't need to patronise them with "is that simple enough for you?" because of it.

Hey, calm down folks.

T020 is never scared to write what he wants - has a special knack of winding up, however I think it's for the large part unintentional and he does put his point across very eloquently.

It really doesn't matter that much though.

Originally posted by kathythebean

It really doesn't matter that much though.

There's no point in wrapping your opinion up in cotton wool, is there?

Look, I don't like Midland Bank, this is the same as saying Midland Bank are run by a bunch of uncaring people that provide duff equipment to their customers.

There - it's the same thing - one's wrapped in silly cotton wool, and one shouts it out!

Originally posted by kathythebean
Hey, calm down folks.

T020 is never scared to write what he wants - has a special knack of winding up, however I think it's for the large part unintentional and he does put his point across very eloquently.

It really doesn't matter that much though.

What he does is often borderline trolling... And he clearly knows it or he wouldn't do it so much :mad:

Btw for those who may not be aware, trolling is the posting of things you know will upset certain people, but going "sod it" and posting it anyway.

And we can all be guilty of that, from time to time, eh, Rich....

But I'm sure you'd never troll T020 with talk for Eccleshall, would you?

Originally posted by Rich
What he does is often borderline trolling... And he clearly knows it or he wouldn't do it so much :mad:

Btw for those who may not be aware, trolling is the posting of things you know will upset certain people, but going "sod it" and posting it anyway.

Chickens out of writing it ;)

Originally posted by BoroughGal
And we can all be guilty of that, from time to time, eh, Rich....

But I'm sure you'd never troll T020 with talk for Eccleshall, would you?

What?! Me?! Never in your life BG! *Shines Halo* :D

Originally posted by Rich
What he does is often borderline trolling... And he clearly knows it or he wouldn't do it so much :mad:

Btw for those who may not be aware, trolling is the posting of things you know will upset certain people, but going "sod it" and posting it anyway.

I doubt that t020 is being an antagonist here. He has his opinion, that doesn't mean that he does it to upset people. Also even if something might upset someone, what's the point of not saying it just incase? Maybe T020 didn't realise he might upset someone. I personally don't understand all the upset

Originally posted by kentboy119
Stop being a 'clears throat'

Fiver bets this post gets RTPed!

You owe me a fiver Kent boy! Cos I haven't reported you, yet! :evil:

Originally posted by Rich
You owe me a fiver Kent boy! Cos I haven't reported you, yet! :evil:

Where did I write that?

;) In all seriousness, this is going in to 1-1 mode and breaking the forum's rules.

Originally posted by Rich
I haven't reported you, yet! :evil:

Only cos there's a sky diver on it.

Originally posted by t020
*Personally speaking*, there is nothing more off-putting than a woman who swears a lot and doesn't try to act 'like a lady'. Drinking pints of beer is a no-no.

After reading this thread with some amusement (I had no idea it had got this heated since I last looked), I went back and re-read T020's origional post. I remember not liking it much when I first saw it yesterday, but I thought I'd refresh my memory.

I've included it above in case anyone else wants another peek!

It's bizarre, because what he has written really puts my back up, even though I essentially agree with what he's saying. I don't like don't like women who drink and swear too much either, and if I was a bloke I wouldn't be attracted to one. I've already said on a previous post on this thread that I don't like men who do the same.

But I think StarSparkle is right... from the way T020 writes this post I would assume that he has an attitude problem with women. Whether this is correct or not I don't know, because I dont know the guy.

But in this post I found his tone dismissive and haughty, and I'm surprised that none of the other girls on this thread picked up on that too. Perhaps I'm being over-sensitive? I think it's the 'like a lady' comment that bothers me the most, because it does create an image of a submissive 1950s housewife. In my head anyway.

And the way he writes: 'drinking pints of beer is a no no' seems a bit silly. Fancy disgarding a woman over the size of her glass. I would agree that drinking eight pints of beer is unattractive, but how does he know she's not just having one, for a change? Generally I don't drink pints, I much prefer red wine, but I have been known to very occasionally have one on a hot summer's day in a beer garden.

T020's post made is sound like he views women as being very 2D, when in fact we're complex and fascinating creatures!

So there's my objective view. You're welcome to criticise it, but I will not respond to abusive posts because nothing I've said on this post is abusive. I've just given my opinion of the text in T020's origional post, that seems to have got everyone so fired up.

I think the problem is everyone has a slightly different take on what 'lady like' means.

Alot of women in particular seem to associate the phrase with the 50's submissive housewife.

Firstly, thats simply not true.

In my take, its more about feminine mannerisms/etiquette.
The way in which women carry themselves, their whole demeanour and such like.

Its quite difficult to explain, but if I was to give the total opposite, which is women who walk/talk/act like 'geezers' thats the biggest turn off !

Women who have the ladylike ettiquettes are not the oppressed/housewife types, rather I would argue they can easily influence the behaviours of men (and other women)!

Thats just my honest opinion, and I certainly dont want to offend anyone.

Originally posted by JBee
After reading this thread with some amusement (I had no idea it had got this heated since I last looked), I went back and re-read T020's origional post. I remember not liking it much when I first saw it yesterday, but I thought I'd refresh my memory.

I've included it above in case anyone else wants another peek!

It's bizarre, because what he has written really puts my back up, even though I essentially agree with what he's saying. I don't like don't like women who drink and swear too much either, and if I was a bloke I wouldn't be attracted to one. I've already said on a previous post on this thread that I don't like me who do the same.

But I think StarSparkle is right... from the way T020 writes this post I would assume that he has an attitude problem with women. Whether this is correct or not I don't know, because I dont know the guy.

But in this post I found his tone dismissive and haughty, and I'm surprised that none of the other girls on this thread picked up on that too. Perhaps I'm being over-sensitive? I think it's the 'like a lady' comment that bothers me the most, because it does create an image of a submissive 1950s housewife. In my head anyway.

And the way he writes: 'drinking pints of beer is a no no' seems a bit silly. Fancy disgarding a woman over the size of her glass. I would agree that drinking eight pints of beer is unattractive, but how does he know she's not just having one, for a change? Generally I don't drink pints, I much prefer red wine, but I have been known to very occasionally have one on a hot summer's day in a beer garden.

T020's post made is sound like he views women as being very 2D, when in fact we're complex and fascinating creatures!

So there's my objective view. You're welcome to criticise it, but I will not respond to abusive posts because nothing I've said on this post is abusive. I've just given my opinion of the text in T020's origional post, that seems to have got everyone so fired up.


I take on board what you're saying, but can assure you you're wrong. The 'like a lady' comment was used for want of a better term - hence why I put it in inverted commas. I couldn't think of a better term at the time, but in hindsight what I meant to say was quite simple - feminine. As for the drinking pints issue, this is obviously more controversial but to me it just doesn't look feminine at all.

Originally posted by wolfman
I think the problem is everyone has a slightly different take on what 'lady like' means.

Alot of women in particular seem to associate the phrase with the 50's submissive housewife.

Firstly, thats simply not true.

In my take, its more about feminine mannerisms/etiquette.
The way in which women carry themselves, their whole demeanour and such like.

Its quite difficult to explain, but if I was to give the total opposite, which is women who walk/talk/act like 'geezers' thats the biggest turn off !

Women who have the ladylike ettiquettes are not the oppressed/housewife types, rather I would argue they can easily influence the behaviours of men (and other women)!

Thats just my honest opinion, and I certainly dont want to offend anyone.

In a way I agree Wolfman. And I would consider myself as fairly ladylike (awaits sniggers from Tingle and Greenback!), but I'm certainly no 1950s housewife.

T020's post still got my back up though. It was just the way he wrote it. The way he put those few sentences together gave me a negative picture of him as I read what he had written.

I think that's the best way to describe it.

Originally posted by JBee
...Perhaps I'm being over-sensitive?
I'd agree with that, he was stating a personal preference, not saying what he thought that women should or should not do... ;)

lol, glad to see there's some understanding.

ah the power of words.

besides, ladies tend not to do the housework as they have maids or butlers :-)

Originally posted by t020
I take on board what you're saying, but can assure you you're wrong. The 'like a lady' comment was used for want of a better term - hence why I put it in inverted commas. I couldn't think of a better term at the time, but in hindsight what I meant to say was quite simple - feminine. As for the drinking pints issue, this is obviously more controversial but to me it just doesn't look feminine at all.

I'm not 'wrong' because as I clearly said, my views were based on what you had written and I don't know you at all, so accept they may be very different from how you see yourself. If I'd started making assumptions on your whole personality, then that would have been wrong of me, but I just gave my opinion on your post, and backed it up with valid (and inoffensive) arguements. Opinions are never wrong - they are just different. As long as they are not presented as fact.

I still feel that you're viewing life in black and white (from how I feel as I read your posts) - us girls can be very colourful you know. :)

But I do accept that maybe you just typed that post without thinking. And I agree that feminine would have been a better choice of word. It's fine to find feminine qualities in a woman attractive, and I think most men on here would say the same.

I would love to ask you what your 'ideal woman' would be like, but that's totally off topic and I don't think you'd tell me anyway. ;)

These are my favourite words of wisdom regarding women :

Think of a simplistic (but worthy) analogy: If you had a choice between 2 second hand cars, both 5 years old and with the same mileage on the clock, but one with 1 previous owner and the other with 10 previous owners, which one (honestly) would you buy?

My Troll-Detector has just overloaded!

lol @ Nick2 !

There are exceptions though.

A classy car with 10 owners is still better than a lada with 1 previous owner :-)

I'd go for a bike every time.

These are my favourite words of wisdom regarding women:

Think of a simplistic (but worthy) analogy: If you had a choice between 2 second hand cars, both 5 years old and with the same mileage on the clock, but one with 1 previous owner and the other with 10 previous owners, which one (honestly) would you buy?

I found this hilarious! It actually made me laugh out loud!

I dunno...maybe I'm just not easily offended!

Originally posted by nick2
I'd go for a bike every time.
So it'd have Hertz as the last named owner then? ;)

A simple yet effective analogy. I think it's true of both sexes when you're younger - it's not nice if someone's been around the block too many times.

I suppose when you're older though you have to accept that people come with baggage - just like classic cars!

Found this article on the bbc news website which is kind of linked to this thread.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4337716.stm

Wolfman

Originally posted by nick2
These are my favourite words of wisdom regarding women :


Very wise words. ;)

Originally posted by t020
Very wise words. ;)

And strangely, might be classed as sexist by some.... ;)

i would go for whichever i felt the most comfortable in, if there both the same, i would go for the 5 owners, you know it will be a better drive.

sorry for the crude analogies.

Originally posted by BoroughGal
And strangely, might be classed as sexist by some.... ;)

Here we go again...;)

Originally posted by BoroughGal
And strangely, might be classed as sexist by some.... ;)

Not really, because the analogy could equally be applied to males but the discussion from which it was taken related to females.

Tsk.... it was your quote that was being congratulated. Check out my winky face.....

Originally posted by slimsid2000
Here (I think) is how you (and many others) see me.

He has the personality of a plank of wood and the sophistication of a gibbon. He lurks, sinister around society like an unwanted and faintly nausiating presence.

His hidious counternance is contorted with unsatisfied lust and appears before innocent young virgins like some terrific vision of hell.

LOL LOL :D :D

Originally posted by JBee
A simple yet effective analogy. I think it's true of both sexes when you're younger - it's not nice if someone's been around the block too many times.

I suppose when you're older though you have to accept that people come with baggage - just like classic cars!

I think you look at things more level headedly when you're older. You are right though. Almost everyone comes with some sort of baggage when you're older. Always handy for holidays:P

Originally posted by t020
*Personally speaking*, there is nothing more off-putting than a woman who swears a lot and doesn't try to act 'like a lady'. Drinking pints of beer is a no-no.
You should meet Emily Howard, you'd love her.

Tom boys are very appealing.

The question is "What do you think of yourself" ??

Just because you dont consider yourself to be particularly "ladylike" doesn't mean that your not feminine