There was a difference of about 3,500 in the urban population of the two cities at the last census. See http://www.lovemytown.co.uk/CityStatus/CityStatusTable1.htm

What's to say Sheffield's population will not bypass Leeds at the next census?

And Liverpool!! (not in Yorkshire but hey let's think big)

:clap:

Originally posted by Unisol
And Liverpool!!

:clap:

Just 30,000 behind. :thumbsup:

Originally posted by statsfan
Just 30,000 behind. :thumbsup:

Quick everyone - we all know what to do to overtake them ;)

I'm surprised how far down manchester is.

And I didn't know Leeds doesn't have a cathedral.

I think Manchester is so low down as its Greater Manchester which has a lot of the population, Manchester itself isnt that big.

Originally posted by nick2


And I didn't know Leeds doesn't have a cathedral.

It does... well it did when I lived in Leeds. But that was a few years ago so could have been converted into come city living accomodation.

It's not an 'in yer' face cathedral. Looks more like a church.

Originally posted by samc
It does... well it did when I lived in Leeds. But that was a few years ago so could have been converted into come city living accomodation.

It's not an 'in yer' face cathedral. Looks more like a church.

A church is not a cathedral unless it's the head church of the diocese. Leeds is in the diocese of Ripon and Leeds and the head church with the cathedra (bishop's seat) is Ripon Cathedral.

http://www.leedscathedral.com/pages/history.htm

Leeds rules!!

no dissing it OK!

Originally posted by schloosh
http://www.leedscathedral.com/pages/history.htm

Leeds rules!!

no dissing it OK!

The website only lists Anglican (Church of England) Cathedrals. Roman Catholic Cathedrals don't count as British city status has only been associated with Anglican cathedrals in the past.

Originally posted by schloosh
http://www.leedscathedral.com/pages/history.htm

Leeds rules!!

no dissing it OK!

Leeds Cathedral has been described by Patrick Nuttgens as the best of the Catholic Cathedrals in Great Britain outside Westminster.

It doesn't look that nice.

Those stats are wrong. Sheffield is well known to be the 4th English city and 5th British city. I can't be bothered to find the official source right now, so perhaps someone else can, if not I'll do it at another time, but the Sheffield population is more like 510,000.

yeah i've been better churches it has to be said....

Quoted from me on an older thread:

I've done a bit of digging on the official government census statistics for England & Wales, 2001 found at statistics.gov.uk:

London 7,172,091
Birmingham 977,087
Leeds 715,402
Sheffield 513, 234
Bradford 467,665
Liverpool 439,473
Manchester 392,819
Kirklees 388,567
Bristol 380,615

So, Sheffield officially 4th largest in England & Wales. Manchester being low down presumably because of how they distinguish between the city and the greater area.

UK wide, Glasgow would go between Leeds and Sheffield but I can't find the exact figure for that on the site.

These are official government figures from an official government site (National Statistics).

Originally posted by t020
Those stats are wrong. Sheffield is well known to be the 4th English city and 5th British city. I can't be bothered to find the official source right now, so perhaps someone else can, if not I'll do it at another time, but the Sheffield population is more like 510,000.

The stats are not wrong. They are population figures for ACTUAL towns as opposed to COUNCIL populations. Council populations may include smaller towns and villages surrounding the city so become misleading and inflated. The government produces population figures for ACTUAL towns every year known as Key Statistics for Urban Areas. This is the link to that data at the Office for National Statistics website for England and Wales http://www.statistics.gov.uk/StatBase/ssdataset.asp?vlnk=8271&Pos=2&ColRank=1&Rank=224

The population figures you are talking about are for councils and can be found on the same website at this link http://www.lovemytown.co.uk/Populations/PopulationsTable3.htm

A table showing how misleading council populations can be can be found here http://www.lovemytown.co.uk/Populations/PopulationsTable2.htm

Sheffield to take over Leeds as the largest city in Yorkshire?

Without sounding Pedantic (which I probably do) :rolleyes:
Sheffield is / and always has been Yorkshires largest city. Largest; being defined as city boundaries. But L**ds has always had a larger population.

Sheffield is officially "Englands 4th largest city" and the
"UK's 5th Largest". However, even this is debatable when using largest to mean boundary to boundary.

1. London - The city of London is tiny, and covers the financial
district.
2. Birmingham - Is a huge city & boundary to boundary is the
largest city in Britain.
3. Manchester - Pretty similar to London. Tiny city that uses the
term "Greater Manchester" to make the city
larger. Imagine how large Sheffield would be if
greater Sheffield was used to incorporate,
Barnsley, Rotherham etc

Originally posted by statsfan
The stats are not wrong. They are population figures for ACTUAL towns as opposed to COUNCIL populations. Council populations may include smaller towns and villages surrounding the city so become misleading and inflated. The government produces population figures for ACTUAL towns every year known as Key Statistics for Urban Areas. This is the link to that data at the Office for National Statistics website for England and Wales http://www.statistics.gov.uk/StatBase/ssdataset.asp?vlnk=8271&Pos=2&ColRank=1&Rank=224

The population figures you are talking about are for councils and can be found on the same website at this link http://www.lovemytown.co.uk/Populations/PopulationsTable3.htm

A table showing how misleading council populations can be can be found here http://www.lovemytown.co.uk/Populations/PopulationsTable2.htm

But that doesn't count places such as Chapeltown, which ARE Sheffield really. I think the council boundary measure is a much more effective measurement, and is the one used to back up the oft-quoted "4th largest city" statement.