well i have heard it all now,george bush says god told him to invade iraq the man is barking:loopy:

I find it very easy to believe that the voices in his head told him it was the right thing to do.

Well you see George Bush regards is Oil Bosses and backers as God, so he at least speaks his own truth :o

Is this chimp for real? He is basically saying exactly the same thing as the 'terrorists' or 'insurgents' he is meant to be fighting....! The guy is a joke! :rolleyes:

:o Talk about shiffting the blame, lol 'It wasn't me, god told me to do it' :loopy:

Same old story really, - some god always gets the blame :P

Muslim extremists blame Allah, Bush blames God, - what about Blair ?

I reckon it was Alistair Campbell or Rupert Murdoch who persuaded Blair to invade Iraq.

War is boom time for the media :D

Originally posted by Jimbob1989
:o Talk about shiffting the blame, lol 'It wasn't me, god told me to do it' :loopy: i think peter suttcliffe said the same thing about the women he butchered,0h thats ok then:loopy: :loopy:

WTF?! :rant:

This just proves to me that George W Bush is a complete retard IMO.

So God told him to start a War that would kill thousands of people?! :rolleyes: Excuse me while I PMSL! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I want to know HOW God told him. Did he pop a piece of paper under a magnet on the fridge?

It wasn't April 1st was it when this holiest of messages was passed on to Beorge Gush?. . . I think this god of Mr Gush's might have been in a giddy mood that day.

I notice that no source is given for this story. I remember reading an interview with Bush in which he explicitly denied that his policy decisions were based on messages from God. He no doubt believes that God is on his side (and vice versa) - but I don't think he has ever claimed to have a personal hotline to God. I am no supporter of Bush (the invasion of Iraq surely ranks as one of the worst decisions ever made by a US president). But even he is not claiming that 'God told me to do it' (unless God is manifested in the form of neo-cons such as Cheney, Wolfowitz, Pearl and Rove).

It's from an upcoming documentary about Bush. The White House denies it outright.

I've no doubt he did say something like it, but it's no more than those god-fearing Americans say all the time.

I'm with Sam Harris (http://www.samharris.org/) on George Bush and God:

The President of the United States has claimed, on more than one occasion, to be in dialogue with God. Now, if he said that he was talking to God through his hairdryer, this would precipitate a national emergency. I fail to see how the addition of a hairdryer makes the claim more ludicrous or more offensive.

Originally posted by LordChaverly
I notice that no source is given for this story.

Go into a corner shop and take a look at some front pages.

If God was going to speak with one of us mere mortals, then I'm sure he would tell us to do something nice - like paint the living room or do the washing up, buy some flowers for your wife that sort of thing.

I'm sure he wouldn't tell us to go to war - its not what God's all about really is it ?

Originally posted by Lee1979

I'm sure he wouldn't tell us to go to war - its not what God's all about really is it ?

Not according to Bush;

"President George Bush has claimed he was told by God to invade Iraq and attack Osama bin Laden's stronghold of Afghanistan as part of a divine mission to bring peace to the Middle East, security for Israel, and a state for the Palestinians."

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article317805.ece

"PRESIDENT George Bush told a Palestinian leader he was instructed by God to invade Iraq and Afghanistan."

http://www.yorkshiretoday.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=55&ArticleID=1215163

Originally posted by Lee1979
If God was going to speak with one of us mere mortals, then I'm sure he would tell us to do something nice - like paint the living room or do the washing up, buy some flowers for your wife that sort of thing.

I'm sure he wouldn't tell us to go to war - its not what God's all about really is it ?
Well, as I just mentioned on another thread, Bush's God did once say:
you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. Destroy it completely, both its people and its livestock. Gather all the plunder of the town into the middle of the public square and completely burn the town and all its plunder as a whole burnt offering to the LORD your God. It is to remain a ruin forever, never to be rebuilt.(Dueteronomy 13:15-16)
so it's not totally out of character.

Originally posted by Disco_Cat
Not according to Bush;

"President George Bush has claimed he was told by God to invade Iraq and attack Osama bin Laden's stronghold of Afghanistan as part of a divine mission to bring peace to the Middle East, security for Israel, and a state for the Palestinians."


maybe he misunderstood and God didn't say invade Iraq he actually said - avoid plaque. Maybe double u has bad teeth ? :D

Originally posted by DanSumption
Well, as I just mentioned on another thread, Bush's God did once say:

so it's not totally out of character.


yeah but God was still mad about the whole Adam and Eve disobeying him plus the Romans crucifying his son thing around that time. He's had two thousands years to mellow out now. :P

Yeah, but perhaps he's getting a bit cranky in his old age. Let's face it, he's about 6000 years old now and probably losing the plot a bit.

The tabloids are having a field day. This kind of thing sells newspapers and gets a lot of people thinking, talking, filling out their copy for the next day's sales.
In fact, it is a "claim" made by Mahmoud Abbas from a converstion he had with President Bush in 2003.
So far we don't know the exact context or President Bush's exact words.
So much can be taken out of context and misrepresented for different ends.

It's true that it's from a pretty unreliable source, but it's the fact that it could so easily be true, bearing in mind everything else Bush has said about his close working relationship with God, that makes people willing to accept it as the truth.

We do have some form of wording too. From what I read, he was alleged to have said:
I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, 'George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan.' And I did, and then God would tell me, 'George go and end the tyranny in Iraq,' and I did."

...

I feel God's words coming to me: 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East.' And by God, I'm gonna do it.

Originally posted by Disco_Cat
Not according to Bush;

"President George Bush has claimed he was told by God to invade Iraq and attack Osama bin Laden's stronghold of Afghanistan as part of a divine mission to bring peace to the Middle East, security for Israel, and a state for the Palestinians."

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article317805.ece

"PRESIDENT George Bush told a Palestinian leader he was instructed by God to invade Iraq and Afghanistan."

http://www.yorkshiretoday.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=55&ArticleID=1215163

These headline stories are based on interpretations of what Bush is supposed to have said, based on accounts of a conversation he had in 2003. There is no doubt that Bush, like political leaders throughout history, will invoke God in order to justify his actions. However, there is a difference between this and explicitly and categorically saying that he was ordered by God to invade Iraq. As I have said, he has explicitly denied that this is the case. There is abundant evidence that the pressure on Bush to invade Iraq came from the neo-cons, who had a clearly formulated agenda even before 9/11 (read Richard Clarke's excellent insider's account of the decision to go to war in his book 'Against All Enemies' - unfortunately you won't be able to buy this is a 'corner shop', if such establishments exist these days). Sensationalist, headline-grabbing caricatures no doubt have considerable appeal. Moreover, the decision to invade Iraq was in many respects such an extraordinary and indeed mystifying event that all sorts of reasons have been attributed to it. I believe the causes (which were several) were more mundane than the argument for divine inspiration, notwithstanding the fact that Bush no doubt does invoke God as an ex-post facto rationalisation for the correctness of his decisions.

Will we be burning him at the stake, as we did with Joan of Arc when she claimed to be talking to God??

Originally posted by Floe
Will we be burning him at the stake, as we did with Joan of Arc when she claimed to be talking to God??
No, things have progressed a great deal since then. Just put him somewhere nice and safe where he can't hurt himself or anyone around him, and find something to keep him amused, like perhaps a copy of "The Pet Goat".

Originally posted by DanSumption
No, things have progressed a great deal since then. Just put him somewhere nice and safe where he can't hurt himself or anyone around him,

Guantanamo Bay ?? :rolleyes:

This surely is the oldest excuse in the book.

Thoughout history the same excuse has been used-Pontious Pilate, Crusaders, Mohamed, Nazi's, Mormon leaders, murders and thousands more.

All making this excuse to justify what they have done after the carnage and ill deeds they have committed.

It just proves to me that George Dubya has run out of good reasons to excuse his actions in Iraq.

Why not give his only reason-Oil.

The man is unsafe but I guess if he is replaced it will be with another clown.

Originally posted by Greybeard
Guantanamo Bay ?? :rolleyes:

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Absolute nonsense it is.

Just an underhand way of gaining more support from his native sheep ?

From the report I heard this has all come from one guy, who if anything has a bit of an axe to grind against the Christian world.

Considering that 99% of all suicide bombs (carried out by Muslims) and wars where Muslims are on one side or both in some cases, they use the God argument.

The Muslim world is getting more and more criticism for doing just this. Using their religion as an excuse to kill indiscriminately.

So think about it ... Making out that Bush is doing exactly the same thing is an attempt to take some of the flack off themselves.

This has to distinct advantages in doing this and it has been well thought out. If you can prove or claim that someone else in the Christian west is dong the same thing you are or your associates are. Using religion as an excuse for war, murder, yada, yada, yada then the argument against you is worthless. Secondly, if you can incite the people who do use Islam as an excuse by claiming the war against terrorism is actually a Christian war (all it a crusade if you wish) then again you are helping your own cause by possibly turning more people to terrorism.

One of the worst things though (about the forum) is that everyone jumps on anything that is anti-bush. I could create a new thread saying "Bush ate my baby" and you lot would be saying how terrible bush is and how it doesn't surprise you! No doubt there would be the mandatory chimp comment too!

Take comments like this with a pinch of salt and if they come from one person and have no credible evidence to prove their claims, don’t be so quick to jump on the band wagon.

Originally posted by serapis
One of the worst things though (about the forum) is that everyone jumps on anything that is anti-bush. I could create a new thread saying "Bush ate my baby" and you lot would be saying how terrible bush is and how it doesn't surprise you! No doubt there would be the mandatory chimp comment too!
I agree with you that Abbas has plenty of good reason for putting about a rumour like this, whether or not its true, but as for people jumping on some sort of anti-Bush bandwagon: don't you think perhaps that George Bush's behaviour might have something to do with this?

Originally posted by DanSumption
I agree with you that Abbas has plenty of good reason for putting about a rumour like this, whether or not its true, but as for people jumping on some sort of anti-Bush bandwagon: don't you think perhaps that George Bush's behaviour might have something to do with this?

I would have to agree with you there Dan

what a load of old tripe :roll: :loopy: this man needs putting down!!!!lol

This was reported some time ago in Haaretz (apparently one of the most widely respected of the Jewish papers) - the article is here (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=310788&contrassID=2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y).
(The final paragraph is the pertenant one)

The tone of the article doesn't seem as though anyone is grinding any anti-christian axes and given the amount of aid Bush has promised to
Palestine ($50 million) it seems a little unlikely that Abbas would try and ruin that by starting unfounded rumours?

Originally posted by evildrneil
This was reported some time ago in Haaretz (apparently one of the most widely respected of the Jewish papers) - the article is here (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=310788&contrassID=2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y).
(The final paragraph is the pertenant one)

The tone of the article doesn't seem as though anyone is grinding any anti-christian axes and given the amount of aid Bush has promised to
Palestine ($50 million) it seems a little unlikely that Abbas would try and ruin that by starting unfounded rumours?

You've got to look at the bigger picture. Is Abbas a ruler or a puppet? Would the likes of Hamas want this aid as there long term aims will never be met if America (and obviously Israel) has anything to do with it?

Do the paramilitary groups in this part of the world want peace with Israel or would they proffer to stay in their current position, living is luxury compared to the average Palestinian and ruling large areas of land through fear?

hes finally realised HES not god then :D

How many people remember the interview Paxman undertook with Blair just before we went to War ?

Remember when he asked him whether or not he prayed with Bush ? Blair squirmed like a worm.

Ofcourse even Blair knows what a nutter Bush is, but for our supposed 'National Interests' he followed Bush, or perhaps Blair too hears God talking to him :-)

'Do the paramilitary groups in this part of the world want peace with Israel or would they proffer to stay in their current position, living is luxury compared to the average Palestinian and ruling large areas of land through fear?'

Everyone except a total nutter wants peace, and I dont see the palestinian groups living in luxury. If anyone is, its the puppet leadership like Arafat (did) and his extended entourage (are).

Funny how all the pro US puppet govt's always live in luxury, whilst their populations suffer (Palestine/Iraq/Afghanistan).

Yup G Dubya and Neo-Con 'liberation' for you.

I realise that it's Friday and we're all bored... But still, I feel like we're scraping the barrel a bit here. You guys are actually trying to have a serious debate on a comment made by George Bush.

GEORGE BUSH!???

He's the planet's biggest idiot. He makes Jade Goody look like a member of Mensa!

So he claims he took advice from God to bomb Iraq? He could just as easily have taken inspiration from Kermit the Frog!

(Actually he probably did. He's probably just using God as a cover-up :suspect: )

But the point is, we really should be debating how the hell a man this thick has managed to become US president, and more importantly, how the hell can we get rid of him?

D'ya think if we spoke to God nicely he might let US bomb Bush?

lol @JBee

True v true.

If you have enough money, and enough media backing......

Originally posted by JBee
So he claims he took advice from God to bomb Iraq? He could just as easily have taken inspiration from Kermit the Frog!
(Actually he probably did. He's probably just using God as a cover-up :suspect: )

You take that back - we all know that Kermit is peace loving and wouldn't lower himself to talking to Bush!!!

Originally posted by JBee
So he claims he took advice from God to bomb Iraq? He could just as easily have taken inspiration from Kermit the Frog!


It's not easy being green.

Didn't God speak to his people through a burning Bush? Now there's an idea.

Seriously though, this sort of stuff will go down really well in 'Bible Belt' America. It will please his core supporters if they think he has a hotline to the big guy.

Originally posted by evildrneil
You take that back - we all know that Kermit is peace loving and wouldn't lower himself to talking to Bush!!!

Muppet to Muppet!

Originally posted by serapis
[One of the worst things though (about the forum) is that everyone jumps on anything that is anti-bush. I could create a new thread saying "Bush ate my baby" and you lot would be saying how terrible bush is and how it doesn't surprise you! No doubt there would be the mandatory chimp comment too!
[/B]

Here Here Serapis.

I'm SO tired of 'Bush bashing' and the fact that racism against anyone is not allowed, unless of course that race happens to be the Americans, then it's a free for all, and socially 'trendy' to deride them.

Well let me just say, I lived in America for over a year and....I LOVE THE AMERICANS AND I LOVE THEIR AWESOME COUNTRY!!!!!

God Bless America.

Originally posted by kay_cee
Here Here Serapis.

I'm SO tired of 'Bush bashing' and the fact that racism against anyone is not allowed, unless of course that race happens to be the Americans, then it's a free for all, and socially 'trendy' to deride them.

Well let me just say, I lived in America for over a year and....I LOVE THE AMERICANS AND I LOVE THEIR AWESOME COUNTRY!!!!!

God Bless America.

Its a discussion about Bush himself, the America as a whole. ots no secret he drops clangers now and again. I take it when you lived in America you were not camping out on the Whitehouse lawn.

I know it's a discussion about Bush himself, but I do tire of it and especially the anti American sentiments that are so prevalent now a days, the two seem to go hand in hand, first a jibe about Bush closely followed by a dig at Americans in general.

Originally posted by kay_cee
I know it's a discussion about Bush himself, but I do tire of it and especially the anti American sentiments that are so prevalent now a days, the two seem to go hand in hand, first a jibe about Bush closely followed by a dig at Americans in general.
What I am tired is the number of threads about Bush which are hijacked by Americans asking "why are there so many anti-American comments on this forum".

There are sometimes anti-American comments on the forum, nearly always outnumbered by the number of pro-American comments which follow. In my experience, most people here have nothing against America or Americans in general. I think you may have hit the nail on the head though regarding Bush and anti-Americanism "the two seem to go hand in hand"... George Bush is not a good advertisement for the USA, and I'm certain that anti-Americanism has increased greatly since he came to power.

Originally posted by roughy101
well i have heard it all now,george bush says god told him to invade iraq the man is barking:loopy:

Tony Blair also said today that Iran and other countries should stop interfering in Iraq!!

Originally posted by kay_cee
I'm SO tired of 'Bush bashing' and the fact that racism against anyone is not allowed, unless of course that race happens to be the Americans, then it's a free for all, and socially 'trendy' to deride them.

Thats a rather simplistic way of looking at things! Dislike of Bush's policies does not imply dislike of either America or Americans.

I don't like Bush's policy which strike me as war moungering, knee jerk and unthinking and yes I do find this report quite believable - but that doesn't mean I dislike America, Americans or even Bush (on a personal level!)