Well it just goes from bad to worse in this country of ours,so prison oficers might upset someone if they wear this countrys flag as a simple pin badge.
Just one more reason why I know I made the right decision when I joined the BNP.


http://news.scotsman.com/uk.cfm?id=2037412005

They were truncheoning to death a couple of 'nig nogs' while they were wearing it which may have gave some of us more tolerant members some concerns. The BNP always miss this small fact

Saw it on the news Roy.:mad:

The fact that no inmates had even raised the issue makes it all a bit sad and pathetic really.

Who are these 'spokespeople' for the world?:suspect:

Aren't they MacMillan Cancer badges, produced initially to coincide with the Rugby World Cup?:confused:

Where is the bit about truncheoning black prisoners to death miniminch?

Or has your sarcasm been wasted on me?:(

By the way, I do not agree with BNP policy but do feel proud of my national flag.

Ok show me the proof that they were beating up black people while wearing this pin tye or is this anothet figment of your imagination?
A link will do just fine.:thumbsup:

Ban on wearing of St. George cross tie pin

4th October 2005

News article filed by BNP news team



Flying the flag is now banned in Wakefield jail






Another day and another ban on a familiar British symbol. We have already covered the story of Leeds police banning the flying of a St. George Cross in a domestic garden; today a professional multi-culturalist has ordered prison officers to stop wearing charity tie pins which feature the St. George Cross.

The Chief Inspector of Prisons, Anne Owers ordered the ban following an inspection of the top security Wakefield Prison in West Yorkshire. She claimed that the tie pins could be misinterpreted as the English flag which was a “racist” symbol!

In her report Ms Owers said: "We were concerned to see a number of staff wearing a flag of St George tie pin.

"While we were told that these had been bought in support of a cancer charity there was clear scope for misinterpretation.

"Prison Service Orders made clear that unauthorised badges and pins should not be worn."

Brian Caton, of the Prison Officers' Association, said: "If the only problem the chief inspector found was tie pins carrying the Cross of St George... there can't be a lot wrong with Wakefield prison."

Shadow Defence Minister, Gerald Howarth MP said: "What are we coming to in this country? Why shouldn't people wear their national flag with pride?"

Professional anti-white racist

Anne Owers (58) is a professional multi-culturalist, a classic example of an anti-white racist, a white liberal with a pathological hatred for her own kith and kin, who champions the “benefits” of diversity and has been a tireless campaigner for the plight of asylum seekers.

She sits on the Commission of the Future of Multi Ethnic Britain, an unelected, self appointed body of professional minority ethnic complainers and supine white liberals. It was established in 1997 by the Runnymede Trust to consider “the political and cultural implications of the changing diversity of British people”.

Before her appointment to the Prison Inspectorate, Owers was Director of JUSTICE and previously general secretary of the Joint Council for the Welfare of Immigrants, 1986–92. Previously member of the Lord Chancellor’s Advisory Committee on Legal Education and Conduct, 1997–9, and chair of trustees, Refugee Legal Centre, 1993.

She has written a number of publications bemoaning the plight of what she calls asylum seekers but are in fact economic migrants who have travelled through a dozen or more safe countries before arriving on British shores to claim “asylum”. Her work includes Providing Protection: asylum determination systems, Legislating for Human Rights and co-author of Economic, Social and Cultural Rights: their implementation in UK law.

Prison officers and others who want to defy the clampdown on the wearing of national flags can buy from an extensive range offered by Excalibur.

The fact that wearing a pin badge goes against the staff rules makes the point on whether it could be construed as racist completely moot Roy:

"Prison Service Orders made clear that unauthorised badges and pins should not be worn"

Even if it was a badge of Garfield, they should still have been told to take them off.

Originally posted by royjames
.......established in 1997 by the Runnymede Trust

Runnymede? Isn't that where the Magna Carta - The English Constitution - was drawn up and signed?

How ironic is that!!!:rolleyes:

Originally posted by limpetboy
The fact that wearing a pin badge goes against the staff rules makes the point on whether it could be construed as racist completely moot Roy:

"Prison Service Orders made clear that unauthorised badges and pins should not be worn"

Even if it was a badge of Garfield, they should still have been told to take them off.

It would therefore be interesting to know how strictly this ruling was applied where other badges are concerned.

Originally posted by limpetboy
The fact that wearing a pin badge goes against the staff rules makes the point on whether it could be construed as racist completely moot Roy:

"Prison Service Orders made clear that unauthorised badges and pins should not be worn"

Even if it was a badge of Garfield, they should still have been told to take them off.


Thats a fair point limpetboy,but seeing as this was not given as the reason behind this decision you have to ask why .
And as it was all for a very good cause,it also makes this look like simple spitefulness on behalf of the person involved.

probably more a health and safety issue.

i have an idea.... based on whats happened, would Roy put forward to his party a plan of printing some St.Georges Flag stickers to give to the prison guards, so they can still wear the flag, and support the cancer appeal? Now, you see THAT would be helping, instead of offering them merchandise from the Excalibur range.

Go on Roy... do your bit for Britain! :thumbsup:

Originally posted by royjames
Ok show me the proof that they were beating up black people while wearing this pin tye or is this anothet figment of your imagination?
A link will do just fine.:thumbsup: No you don't get it! That's what prison officers do - because that is the sort of person that this job attracts. Stupid, racist idiots (http://society.guardian.co.uk/youthjustice/story/0,11982,1392752,00.html) . That is why they shouldn't be trusted to make their own decisions about fashion.
They were probably committing a racist attack but it was all behind bars as usual. So it will just go on.... Interesting that the BNP are making such an issue about mere badges. The nazis made the same aguament about the swastika in germany before the war

Miniminch,
It is impossible to deny that some prison officers have been found guilty of racially-based assaults upon vulnerable, ethnic-minority prisoners. It is also impossible to deny the existence of a 'racist canteen culture' at some prisons. Nevertheless, the entire workforce cannot be described as ,' stupid racist idiots'. There are some good, compassionate prison officers too. An uncle of mine was one such example, until recent retirement.

I am so ****** off with this government, the end of the day I was born and breed under the union jack and if I want to wear it I will anywhere I want , I am not racist theres good and bad in any race I am just a proud British subject, I will wear my Union Jack badge were ever I like no one should have the authority to tell anyone not to wear a badge especialy if its where you are from I am so disgusted with this comment of not being able to wear a st george badge its enough to make me sick if my grandparents were still alive they would not stand for this, I am British and my flag is the Union Jack so I wear it with pride even though I feel we have been sold down the river by this crappy american arse licking goverment.:suspect: :rant: :mad: :(

what is this country comeing to when people take offense to our flag that says there no real brits left to defend us british.

I wouldn't have thought you could wear any kind of "pin" in a prison, or anything else that could be used as a weapon.

Originally posted by rach73
I am so ****** off with this government, the end of the day I was born and breed under the union jack and if I want to wear it I will anywhere I want , I am not racist theres good and bad in any race I am just a proud British subject, I will wear my Union Jack badge were ever I like no one should have the authority to tell anyone not to wear a badge especialy if its where you are from I am so disgusted with this comment of not being able to wear a st george badge its enough to make me sick if my grandparents were still alive they would not stand for this, I am British and my flag is the Union Jack so I wear it with pride even though I feel we have been sold down the river by this crappy american arse licking goverment.:suspect: :rant: :mad: :(

what is this country comeing to when people take offense to our flag that says there no real brits left to defend us british.

No tie pins are allowed, not just st George ones, would you still be quite so upset?

racist ? I thought they had said they could be offensive!

there is a difference between offensive and racist, but as the BNP are so preoccupied with race you probably wouldn't see the difference.

Originally posted by rach73
I was born and breed under the union jack

You certainly paint a vivid picture with that comment! ;)

Originally posted by rach73
what is this country comeing to when people take offense to our flag that says there no real brits left to defend us british.

Sadly, the problem isn't with flags or symbols themselves. You will see them flying from town halls, churches, civic buildings, and the like all over the nation. This is a 'Good Thing' ©.

Unfortunately, certain, more unsavoury sectors of our society purloin them to represent their own insidious beliefs.

If you want to get upset with somebody because you worry that people think your flag is a racist symbol you should have a word with the racists and ask them to stop using it as one.

As for these prison officers, this story has all the hallmarks of spin to me. I don't believe it's being genuinely portrayed for a second.

Originally posted by Tony

As for these prison officers, this story has all the hallmarks of spin to me. .

Has Alistair Campbell found an new job with Wakefield Prison perhaps?
Every report on this carries this quote:

"If the only problem the chief inspector found was tiepins carrying the Cross of St George - which is, after all, the English national flag - then there can't be a lot wrong with Wakefield prison." Brian Caton, the general secretary of the Prison Officers' Association

But this issue of the tie pins is far from the only thing the report criticises Wakefield for, as well as having an abnormally high suicide rate the report also found serious concenrs over race relations ,

The report on Wakefield, where Ian Huntley, the Soham killer, is serving a 40-year jail sentence, is critical of race relations within the prison. Inspectors said several black or minority ethnic prisoners reported that "white staff had a lack of cultural understanding of their background and they were disadvantaged in systematic small ways that were not recognised''

It is very convenient to say the least, that a damning report of government prisons has been totally overshadowed by a minor quibble over tie pins, much more serious allegations such as this,

"Prison officers at two of Britain's biggest immigration detention centres are routinely carrying wooden staves to enforce discipline, despite the fact that their use is banned in low-security prisons across England and Wales" http://www.guardian.co.uk/immigration/story/0,15729,1585108,00.html
are going by unnoticed as they are buried by hysteria over tie pins.

I'm sure New Labour will be very happy to see Roy and Co. helping them so dutifully with their spin machine.

It's amazing how the semi-literate go on lengthy angry diatribes when confronted with a story like this. Most educated people can see straight through a story like this as just stirring and spinning the truth.

Roy, let me ask you, if we are being oppressed and we aren't allowed to show our national flags the why do I see them every day? I see the flag when I go into town on official buildings, I see it hanging from peoples windows when I drive past housing estates. I see the flag when I go for a pint in my local. When there is a football tournament on, I see the flag flying from every other car... so why are these acceptable, but the ones in BNP 'news' stories aren't?

I've lived in the USA, Denmark and New Zealand and most people who live in these countries fly their flag or at least own one.

I am not a right winger but I do envy other nationals being proud of their own country and not ashamed to fly their flags.

It seems ironic that if you see a chippy or business with a union jack displayed the business is more likely to be owned by emigrants to this country who are British and not ashamed of advertising the fact.

The UK seems to have got the whole question of nationality and national pride wrong, surely there's a majority of people who take pride in this country and it's flag. They are not all right wing fascists.

Originally posted by PopT
I've lived in the USA, Denmark and New Zealand and most people who live in these countries fly their flag or at least own one.

I am not a right winger but I do envy other nationals being proud of their own country and not ashamed to fly their flags.

It seems ironic that if you see a chippy or business with a union jack displayed the business is more likely to be owned by emigrants to this country who are British and not ashamed of advertising the fact.

The UK seems to have got the whole question of nationality and national pride wrong, surely there's a majority of people who take pride in this country and it's flag. They are not all right wing fascists.

what makes you think that 'normal' average people don't fly the flag or take pride in it?

Originally posted by royjames
Thats a fair point limpetboy,but seeing as this was not given as the reason behind this decision you have to ask why .
And as it was all for a very good cause,it also makes this look like simple spitefulness on behalf of the person involved.

Err, it was Roy, that was a quote from the report from your post.

It would therefore be interesting to know how strictly this ruling was applied where other badges are concerned.

Given the efforts gone to make sure that prisons (and other locations where people are detained) have the least possible number of potential weapons, it is my hope that it is enforced strictly. Apparently not at Wakefield tho....