Usually it takes me roughly 15-20 mins to get to work on my 50cc scooter. Tonight, due to heavy rain, rude drivers etc, it took 50mins to get home. I've never experienced such bad driving in my life. It seemed like most drivers were pushing and shoving their way home. Not caring I was on 2 wheels + on a 50cc machine. I'm surprised I got home alive.
It just takes a little patience and a lot more politeness. So listen up, I have just as much right as you lot on the road. Please give respect to the people on 2 wheels.

i think that is the main reason why drivers on 2 wheels are more likely to have accidents and be killed.

I think that the actions of a few drivers cause everyone else to behave like an a*se.

Days like this make me glad i can't drive.

Wilf

i do hope that you are not one of those riders who go flying down the middle of the traffic or the ones that go down the nearside of cars
because if you are you are asking to be knocked off

Originally posted by ROBERT
i do hope that you are not one of those riders who go flying down the middle of the traffic or the ones that go down the nearside of cars
because if you are you are asking to be knocked off


Indeed - a lot of motorcylists/scooters think they have the right to jump traffic jams by 'creating' lanes that don't exist, and so driving closely between queues of cars at great speeds. Yet if anything happens to them, the car driver always gets the blame. Its about time motorcyclists and scooters stopped putting themselves at risk and queued up in jams in an orderly fashion rather than speeding through narrow gaps between cars.

Ahh, yet more intolerance of road users that are actually making it EASIER for the car driver.

I've never found proper motorcyclists to be the problem. They generally have good road sense - better than most car drivers i'd say, due to the added vulnerability of being on two wheels.

Scooters, on the other hand, do annoy me often. They dont seem to be ridden by serious motorcyclists, but by people who like the cheap insurance and minimal qualifications.
It does seem too easy to get hold of a scooter and start tooling around on one.
The kids around my area all have them, and seem to think they are on Ducatis, riding down the centre of the road with their feet on the pillion footpegs.

Most of the idiotic two wheeled behaviour I come accross is scooter related.

Don't give bikers/scooterers a hard time - they are doing their bit to reduce the volume of traffic (and pollution to a certain extent). If it's safe to do so move over a little bit to let them through and get on their way and out of your traffic jam. Don't get all worked up just because they can get in front of you!

Personally I think all drivers should be made to learn on a bike/scooter before progressing to cars - it gives you much better road sense and hopefully makes you a better driver. I have been rear ended by careless car drivers many times over the years whilst waiting at junctions/roundabouts etc. If people in cars were a bit more aware of the road silly accidents like that wouldn't happen so often.

And while on the subject, why can't we all be a bit more courteous on the road. Why not let a few people out of side roads or a few buses pull away from bus stops - you'll probably reach your destination at the same time and it does wonders for your stress levels. Nobody likes traffic jams but everyone is just trying to get somewhere.

Originally posted by t020
Indeed - a lot of motorcylists/scooters think they have the right to jump traffic jams by 'creating' lanes that don't exist, and so driving closely between queues of cars at great speeds. Yet if anything happens to them, the car driver always gets the blame. Its about time motorcyclists and scooters stopped putting themselves at risk and queued up in jams in an orderly fashion rather than speeding through narrow gaps between cars.

Another ignorant view. I bet you have never even ridden a motorbike, let alone been a pillion on one t020.

All motorcyclists filter, even the police and it is never at great speed. Filtering normally happens when cars are stationary in lane. Car Drivers are usually to blame, if people actually paid attention when driving there would be less accidents on the road.

Skatie

Car drivers are not always to blame for accidents with motorbikes.
It's often the case, but not always...

Every (able bodied) motorist should be made to ride a motorcycle for at least 6 months (you get to choose the season - the softies can choose summer :P ) before being allowed to drive a car...

A good motorcycle rider needs to drive defensively - if you crash you are much more likely to get hurt so you don't have an aggressive attitude... generally makes for a much safer road user - natural selection deals with the rest ;)

If you haven't experienced the freedom and exhileration of riding a motorcycle and leaning into a bend then you just don't know what you're missing!

I now drive a luxury tractor (Discovery) because it keeps me & the family safe and under the speed limit (most of the time) but I wish more people would ride bikes!

Make it cheaper, more fun and safe for bikers :thumbsup:

So the two idiots on bikes I once saw riding either side of a car at 90+ on the M1 in gale force conditions, all 3 vehicles roughly in the same lane, only a foot or two between the side of the car and the bikes on either side... what would they be then?

2 Bikes and a Car :banana: :bigsmile:

In the late '80's I had a Honda 90 for work purposes. I had the machine for about a year-and-a-half and then I passed my car-driving test.

I got rid of it reluctantly, but there is no way I would have one now, the traffic is just complete scarey.

Skatiechik has 5 cars - a one woman traffic problem!!

Originally posted by JEC1
So the two idiots on bikes I once saw riding either side of a car at 90+ on the M1 in gale force conditions, all 3 vehicles roughly in the same lane, only a foot or two between the side of the car and the bikes on either side... what would they be then?

As I said... natural selection will likely deal with them :mad:

A loony on a bike is more likely to damage himself and noone else than a loony in a car! :thumbsup:

Originally posted by jackthedog
I've never found proper motorcyclists to be the problem. They generally have good road sense - better than most car drivers i'd say, due to the added vulnerability of being on two wheels.

Scooters, on the other hand, do annoy me often. They dont seem to be ridden by serious motorcyclists, but by people who like the cheap insurance and minimal qualifications.
It does seem too easy to get hold of a scooter and start tooling around on one.
The kids around my area all have them, and seem to think they are on Ducatis, riding down the centre of the road with their feet on the pillion footpegs.

Most of the idiotic two wheeled behaviour I come accross is scooter related.

Dont think cazzaworld is a loon on a scoot, nor a "proper" motorcyclist. she rides pillion on my bike, just she CHOOSES a scooter for work purporses. whats the difference what you ride? diesel on the road is VERY slippery no matter what you ride, being knocked off hurts as much on a scoot as on a bike. i totally agree with alert bri, ,make motorcycling a part of the driving test, see if you like 17yr olds with £100 cars and a £3000 stereo trying to race you at every opportunity, little old dears that just cant see you and drive straight at you, idiots who forgot to ask for indicators (or they dont know where the switch for them are). dont get aggressive when i pass you when you're stuck in traffic, i just want to get home same as you.......

Originally posted by jackthedog
I've never found proper motorcyclists to be the problem. They generally have good road sense - better than most car drivers i'd say, due to the added vulnerability of being on two wheels.

Scooters, on the other hand, do annoy me often. They dont seem to be ridden by serious motorcyclists, but by people who like the cheap insurance and minimal qualifications.
It does seem too easy to get hold of a scooter and start tooling around on one.
The kids around my area all have them, and seem to think they are on Ducatis, riding down the centre of the road with their feet on the pillion footpegs.

Most of the idiotic two wheeled behaviour I come accross is scooter related.
Well said my man

Originally posted by Skatiechik
Another ignorant view. I bet you have never even ridden a motorbike, let alone been a pillion on one t020.

All motorcyclists filter, even the police and it is never at great speed. Filtering normally happens when cars are stationary in lane. Car Drivers are usually to blame, if people actually paid attention when driving there would be less accidents on the road.

Skatie

I think t020 may have been refering to scooters (correct me if im wrong.
As a whole I find Motorcyclists very experienced riders,this due to the difficult test they have to endure.
Scooters on the otherhand are a nightmare.car drivers should have an extra set of mirrors just for them.
When scooters are around,first on the left then the right,next time you look they are virtualy in the boot of your car.
They appear they disapear then they appear again.

Scooters should have the same test as a motorcycle of any size,then lets see how many (legal) scooters are on the road.

Originally posted by t020
Indeed - a lot of motorcylists/scooters think they have the right to jump traffic jams by 'creating' lanes that don't exist, and so driving closely between queues of cars at great speeds. Yet if anything happens to them, the car driver always gets the blame. Its about time motorcyclists and scooters stopped putting themselves at risk and queued up in jams in an orderly fashion rather than speeding through narrow gaps between cars.

Whoa there fella. Whats your beef with filtering? Makes sense and it aint illegal either. :thumbsup:
Travelling cross city whilst using this technique, can slash journey times, especially at rush hour. :nod:
No biker I know would ride at great speed between queuing traffic.
Personel saftey aside, if you take into account the price of machine, protective clothing and helmet, not to mention insurance, the last thing you want to do is pinball your way between lines of hard, stationary vehicles or throw yourself, plus pride n joy, over the bonnet of a car whose owner had lost it cos he/she hadn't moved more than 10ft in the last 15 minuites and so decided to swap lanes without looking first. Then there's the driver who turns in simply to close the gap cos if he aint going nowhere, nor is the rider.
Is that your attitude t020 I wonder? :mr green:
As for drivers getting the blame in car v bike collisions, you should try reading a few editions of Motorcycle News etc to realise how lightly they can get away with maiming or killing a rider:mad:
Why on earth would a rider que with immobile wheeled boxes four times his size when he could be sat at home before most drivers have left the inner ring road :loopy:
Let the rider nip between lanes, saves him being yet another driver in front of you :wink:

Never am I aggressive or annoyed towards the two wheelers.

And i'm not giving anyone a hard time.
You shouldn't feel the need to jump to the defence of biking/scootering, when I wasnt saying anything bad about it.

In my post I actually showed my respect for serious motorcyclists, and merely pointed out my observations of a high number of scooter users.

I do notice, every day, idiots on scooters. I did last night on my way home from work. And I will tonight, no doubt.

However, I never notice any idiotic motorbike usage.

I dont mind bikes/scooters filtering through traffic - it's one less car in the jam. I'm not jealous that bikes cut through the traffic. What bothers me is idiots on scooters.

What I do mind is that anyone seems to be able to get a licence to ride a scooter without any sort of proper training. The lads that race around on em all appear to be about 15 years old.

I'm not attacking all scooter riders, just the idiot scooter riders.

I never get aggressive when you pass me in a jam. Good on you for not contributing to the traffic.

I will stand by my original statement though;
Most of the idiotic two wheeled behaviour I come accross is scooter related.

Blimey, I wasn't expecting a huge response. I would like to say I am a careful, legal rider, whose nearly 26 and female. Not all riders are teens without no licence or insurance. The reason why I have a scooter is 2 get me from A to B. Hopefully it will gain me more experience of the road, so I can eventually drive a car.

P.s Thanx Fredsredhat for sticking up for me.

I wish I knew more scooter riders like you :)

Aww, thanx Jackthedog. Some scooter riders aren't that bad. Its the rest of them, that give us decent ones a bad reputation.