Hi, when i was at college many moons back, Madchester was all the rage, but i wasn't into it at the time.
But now...! I'm having my first listen to his new "The Greatest" CD, and i think he's a bit of a star!
Songs such as Fool's Gold, F.E.A.R, Dolphins Were Monkeys and others I'm yet to discover are as good as anything you'll hear!

Well, that's my take on him, but what do you lot think?

scruffy genius!

Still love the roses after all these years. Never quite got into his solo stuff as much, but have heard much worse.

i dont like the style of music so any opinion i give will be one sided...but here ya go!

shaved monkey with whiney vocals that annoy me and everytime i see him on tv i have to switch over coz of his arrogant look and attitude.

looks like a cross between Cain Dingle and the dodgy one in Gorillaz :)

musical genius - he was on VH1 earlier on top form.

did anyone see Popworld? He was being interviewed by Miss Dynamite(eehee!) and they were having tea and cakes, and Ian had to end the interview 'cos one of the cakes had pulled one of his teeth out!:D

Absolute genius.

Has anyone else seen his little boy?
He's like a mini version of him! With the indie mullet and the swagger and everything. Well cute!
Bet he has the best music taste out of all his mates.

Complete Genius.

Any grown man who wears a bright cerise pink shell suit (as seen in Closer/Heat/other cack mag this week) in this day and age gets my vote for King of the World.:D

Genius and Scruffy Barmpot! :D

He's got to be the missing link in evolution, but he just Has It, whatever It is! That swagger, those looks, that supreme self-confidence, that attitude, that charisma - all you need to be the frontman of a great rock band. The man I suspect Noel Gallagher wanted to be when he grew up! :cool:

Like you, Unklebob, Madchester wasn't my thing back then, but more recently I've been liking the Stone Roses' stuff more and more, and I really like it a lot now. Think I must be chilling out or something!

I didn't appreciate the Roses at the time, but when you come down to it, any band that can generate a rock'n'roll legend as potent as Spike Island must belong up there with the Greats.

So Genius it is! :thumbsup:

StarSparkle

do any of the sheffield forum ladies fancy ian brown???

just wondering coz i would have to shake my head in disbelief...but they way you talk bout his `looks & charisma' make me think you do!

more like he's famous and that is attractive.....if he was down west street you wouldnt give him a second look.....but maybe you would give him 10p :hihi:



although i wont slag off their music as its not a style i like anyways...it does grate on me when they are called a rock band! :suspect:

There's something about him that i find very attractive.

I think it's the arrogance....

Originally posted by lexatron
There's something about him that i find very attractive.

I think it's the arrogance....

so continues the mystery of women! :rolleyes: i think of arrogance as a bad quality....

maybe this is why there isnt a big line of girls battering down my door :suspect: ive got all the qualities the wrong way round!

Originally posted by MTheo
do any of the sheffield forum ladies fancy ian brown???

just wondering coz i would have to shake my head in disbelief...but they way you talk bout his `looks & charisma' make me think you do!


Nah, I don't fancy him really - he's a bit TOO simian for my tastes - but he is good-looking and pretty sexy.

But like Lexatron, I think the appeal's basically something to do with his arrogance..... I do love those Manchester 'bad boys'! ;)

Women and bad boys, eh! :rolleyes: :cool:

StarSparkle ;)

I have liked Ian Brown since he was in the roses he is an excellent musician solarize is a great album and F.e.a.r is one of my favourite tracks of all time

The phrase 'genius' is banded around far too much today. In musical terms, it is usually reserved for deserving old masters such as Beethoven, Mozart, Bach, Haydn, Schubert and Wagner. Sometimes, it is coined in relation to exceptionally talented and innovative jazz artists such as John Coltrane and Miles Davis. Never should it be mentioned in the same breath as Ian Brown. He is no more a musical genius, or indeed any other kind, than are a thousand other mediocrities of the rock world. Brown, alongside, Lennon and McCartney, Cobain, Curtis, Morrison, etc etc are merely 'bit players' in popular, low art and will be ultimately forgotten.

Personally, I see nothing admirable in possessing an unpleasant visage worthy of a constipated lower primate, and the social graces of a maladjusted tramp. Brown is no 'genius', but is he a 'scruffy barmpot'? He appears to fit the bill. He has delusions of grandeur, and if it is to be believed, his 'air rage' antics are certainly pathological, not to mention plain bloody stupid.

Well said Timo, as usual. We should reserve the word 'genius' for those who really deserve it, i.e. for masters of the calibre you mention. The supposed 'geniuses' of the rock world are largely the products of marketing hype and rampant publicity machines (even the rise of the Beatles can largely be attributed in my view to the coincidental advent of mass marketing and youth culture. This does not mean that they were not talented within a very narrow musical range, but to refer to them as 'geniuses' is to strain the meaning of this word into the relams of absurdity). I suggest anyone who wants to experience genius in the genre of song should listen to the works of Schubert (who incidentally was also a master of the string quartet, the symphony and the piano sonata). We should of course remember that fame in the rock world is only partly (and in some cases not at all) due to the intrinsic merits of the music, and often has more to do with image. As for Ian Brown, I must confess that I have never heard of him (or perhaps I have forgotten him already!).

Originally posted by LordChaverly
Well said Timo, as usual. We should reserve the word 'genius' for those who really deserve it, i.e. for masters of the calibre you mention. The supposed 'geniuses' of the rock world are largely the products of marketing hype and rampant publicity machines (even the rise of the Beatles can largely be attributed in my view to the coincidental advent of mass marketing and youth culture. This does not mean that they were not talented within a very narrow musical range, but to refer to them as 'geniuses' is to strain the meaning of this word into the relams of absurdity). I suggest anyone who wants to experience genius in the genre of song should listen to the works of Schubert (who incidentally was also a master of the string quartet, the symphony and the piano sonata). We should of course remember that fame in the rock world is only partly (and in some cases not at all) due to the intrinsic merits of the music, and often has more to do with image and marketing hype. As for Ian Brown, I must confess that I have never heard of him (or perhaps I have forgotten him already!).

Originally posted by timo
Brown, alongside, Lennon and McCartney, Cobain, Curtis, Morrison, etc etc are merely 'bit players' in popular, low art and will be ultimately forgotten.

How dare you sully Mark Morrison's name like this!

"Oh, oo-o-oh, come on, ooh, yeah
Well I tried to tell you so (yes, I did)
But I guess you didn't know, as I said the story goes
Baby, now I got the flow
'Cos I knew it from the start
Baby, when you broke my heart
That I had to come again, and show you that I'm real"

To me, this lyric, taken from Morrison's sublime opus 'Return of the Mac', encapsulates the very essence of the popular music song.

The protagonist in this instance, despite his best intentions, has somehow contrived to lose the love of his life – "as I said the story goes" – but following a period of reflection and self re-invention ("now I got the flow"), he realises that the actions of his beloved were but inevitable ("I knew it from the start") and resolves to cut the figure of a man who will henceforth do away with his outer emotional barriers in order to allow others into his heart.

The hero, as he can realistically be referred to, has lost and subsquently gained his true love, all in the space of seven exquisite lines of beatific, melodic, yet very modern, music. Now that's true genius in my book.

Ian Brown is a stark staring hyper loon! Can't half write a tune though.




Originally posted by Greenback
How dare you sully Mark Morrison's name like this!

I think that he meant Jim Morrison, though it could conceivably be a Morrisey typo ;)

Originally posted by Greenback
How dare you sully Mark Morrison's name like this!

"Oh, oo-o-oh, come on, ooh, yeah
Well I tried to tell you so (yes, I did)
But I guess you didn't know, as I said the story goes
Baby, now I got the flow
'Cos I knew it from the start
Baby, when you broke my heart
That I had to come again, and show you that I'm real"

To me, this lyric, taken from Morrison's sublime opus 'Return of the Mac', encapsulates the very essence of the popular music song.

The protagonist in this instance, despite his best intentions, has somehow contrived to lose the love of his life – "as I said the story goes" – but following a period of reflection and self re-invention ("now I got the flow"), he realises that the actions of his beloved were but inevitable ("I knew it from the start") and resolves to cut the figure of a man who will henceforth do away with his outer emotional barriers in order to allow others into his heart.

The hero, as he can realistically be referred to, has lost and subsquently gained his true love, all in the space of seven exquisite lines of beatific, melodic, yet very modern, music. Now that's true genius in my book.

ARF! ARF! ARF! :hihi:

:clap: = for Greenback. :hihi:

*Could not give a damn either way about Ian Brown for the topic record. ;)

Greenback and Tony,
Sorry lads, I was referring to neither Mark nor Jim Morrison, and certainly not Morrissey. I meant my uncle, Derek Morrison [ex chairman of Wincobank Rabbit and Poultry Club, occasional solo 'musical entertainer/ performance artiste']. Derek was the eminence grice of the short-lived Wincobank avant-garde. His unnatural act consisted of him smearing his naked torso with a heady mixture of marmite and Henderson's Relish whilst crooning vulgar songs of his own composition, such as his tribute to outdoor sex in the Dallas Bar car park, 'Pull me vest darn when tha's finished', and a [banned] protest against the Cod War involving two ladies, a jar of Brasso and a Haddock.

He sounds like an inspirational man, Timo.

Well I think "King Monkey Man" is ace. Wouldn't call him a genius necessarily, but some of the Roses stuff is verging on genius. (Just to be controversial, I really like "Second Coming")

EEEEyyyaaaahhh! Aa'hm from Manchestaaaaah, an ah down't give a foooooooookkk :D

Originally posted by sugarnspice
He sounds like an inspirational man, Timo.

Sounds more of an aspiration for lil' 'ol me. :cool:

Originally posted by Bully_Beef
Well I think "King Monkey Man" is ace. Wouldn't call him a genius necessarily, but some of the Roses stuff is verging on genius. (Just to be controversial, I really like "Second Coming")

EEEEyyyaaaahhh! Aa'hm from Manchestaaaaah, an ah down't give a foooooooookkk :D

I could've sworn Ian Brown came into the room just then! ;)

StarSparkle :)

Absolute hero!!!!!!!

In the Roses days he was superb togther with Squire, Mani and Reni!

I really like his solo stuff....it's totally different to mainstream bands you see today. His voice is unique although does tend to sound flat live.

He's released some really good stuff and I think give credit where credit's due to be honest!!!

I hate Ian Brown. Can't srand his solo stuff. He annoys me muchly

Originally posted by timo
The phrase 'genius' is banded around far too much today. In musical terms, it is usually reserved for deserving old masters such as Beethoven, Mozart, Bach, Haydn, Schubert and Wagner. Sometimes, it is coined in relation to exceptionally talented and innovative jazz artists such as John Coltrane and Miles Davis. Never should it be mentioned in the same breath as Ian Brown. He is no more a musical genius, or indeed any other kind, than are a thousand other mediocrities of the rock world. Brown, alongside, Lennon and McCartney, Cobain, Curtis, Morrison, etc etc are merely 'bit players' in popular, low art and will be ultimately forgotten.



how dare you sir. The Frog Chorus is a work of sublime genius. Only a man on top of his game could have written such a classic. Philistine :mad:

I loved the Stone Roses when I were knee high to a grasshopper...but now I dont rate them too highly at all, and even what I do rate, it's more John Squire than Ian Brown. Did he even contribute anything to their music, bar singing VERY badly?

They did fit a certain mood and a certain type of music at a certain time in recent culture, and for that they are still important.

As to his solo stuff, it really is just boring, boring drivel. If he hadn't have been in the Stone Roses I guarantee you wouldn't have heard one bit of his solo stuff. I find it a bit embarrasing to be honest.

Robbie,
Please accept my abject apologies. On reflection, McCartney is indeed a musical prodigy and genius. How could I have forgotten his celebrated 'Frog Chorus'? Before I am deservedly blackballed from the forum entertainment section for crass philistinism, I also recognise the brilliance of his 'Ebony and Ivory' duet with the American composer, Wonder. Schubert's lieder simply cannot compare with the porcelain beauty of the musical accompaniment and the heavenly voices, entreating humanity to solve the eternal problem of racial enmity by playing the piano. The Beatles were ****e though.