If someone says "see you next Sunday", when would you expect to meet, September 25th or October 2nd?

I believe the latter, as I'm a "this Sunday, next Sunday" man, but I've come a cropper over this a couple of times lately.

I'd like to know how others see this as I may have to change my approach if I'm in a very small minority.

Cheers,
Martin.

If I say see you next sunday today, I'd mean the next sunday arriving if early in the week. So for this poll next sunday is 25th October. If I was talking about 2nd October, I'd say see you Sunday after this, of Week this sunday.

If however, it was Friday 23rd or saturday 24th september, if I said see you next sunday, I'd mean 2nd October, because otherwise I'd have said See you tomorrow, see you sunday. No Next or this!

Hope that makes sense!

I think it really depends when in the week you refer to the next sunday.

My birthday is NEXT Sunday, if that answers your question....?

Originally posted by BoroughGal
My birthday is NEXT Sunday, if that answers your question....?

Happy Birthday for NEXT Sunday. :partyhat:

Of course its the 25th, because that is the next sunday. I would say this coming sunday though. Youve got a point though depends how early on in the week it was. If it was saturday then i wouldnt call the 25th next sunday, my head is hurting a little

Surely it depends on which week you're currently in? Sunday 25th is still THIS week so NEXT Sunday would be 2nd October. NEXT Friday isn't the day after tomorrow, that's this Friday. Next Friday would be NEXT week.

but Next can refer to the first incidence of 'it' in the future.

Thus the next sunday from now is the 25th, although it is also this sunday (implying ownership by the current week).

I always try to be clear by saying "The coming Sunday, or 1 week on Sunday, hopefully that removes any ambiguity.

Originally posted by Foxxx
...So for this poll next sunday is 25th October...


No wonder it gets so confusing ;)

oops! well spotted. I should be cheeky and go back and edit it!

25th SEPTEMBER is the next sunday to come!

Originally posted by BoroughGal
My birthday is NEXT Sunday, if that answers your question....?
tis my birthday NEXT wednesday too, 'hint hint'

This is basically a sematic problem with positioning.

"Last" "this" and "next" are adjectives which describe position of the current day in relation to the day in question.

The problem here is that some people use these positioning adjectives when referring to days, and some use the background of the current week.
Another confusing factor is some people seem to be ignorant as to which is the first day of the week. Sunday is of course the first day of the week. Therefore on saturday, the day after would always be "next sunday", but on monday yesterday would be "this sunday".

This is so confusing because there is no "standard" method.

The only solution to this, is to clarify which day you are talking about with the date or with a phrase like "the coming sunday"

It is much clearer when referring to weekends though, as "this weekend" or "the weekend" seems to always refer to the up coming weekend unless you are still in a weekend.

Most people consider Monday to be the beginning of the week.

Originally posted by Cyclone
Most people consider Monday to be the beginning of the week.

Monday is the beginning of the "working week" the week actually begins on sunday. Most people younger than 30 seem to have never been taught this.

It doesn't really apply to the modern world though. Just looking at my calendar in outlook and my calendar on the wall and they both start on a Monday.

Yes yes I remember being taught Sunday was the beginning of the week, but times change. Move with the times, as far as I'm concerned Monday is the first day of the week. Sunday is the last day of the week, which we rest on before beginning another week.

A LITTLE TWADDLE FOR YOU:


God Rested on the Seventh Day......

The first chapter of Genesis reports that for six long days, God labored hard at creating our world. Finally, at the end of the sixth, He looked back at all He had done and He proclaimed it was "very good!" (Genesis 1:310). Then He rested by ceasing all his labors.

In giving us the Ten Commandments, God spells out the importance of Shabbat (Exodus 20:10-11):
((And the seventh day will be a Shabbat for God, your Lord.)) Do not do any work... Because six days God made the heavens and the earth, the seas and all they contain, and He rested on the seventh day. Therefore, God blessed the Shabbat day and sanctified it.

So if the seventh day will be a Shabbat for God, (sunday)
the first day of the week must be Monday...

"This or next" monday i dont know it depends on which adjective you want..
:P

Originally posted by muddycoffee
This is basically a sematic problem with positioning.

"Last" "this" and "next" are adjectives which describe position of the current day in relation to the day in question.

The problem here is that some people use these positioning adjectives when referring to days, and some use the background of the current week.
Another confusing factor is some people seem to be ignorant as to which is the first day of the week. Sunday is of course the first day of the week. Therefore on saturday, the day after would always be "next sunday", but on monday yesterday would be "this sunday".

This is so confusing because there is no "standard" method.

The only solution to this, is to clarify which day you are talking about with the date or with a phrase like "the coming sunday"


So Sunday, the final day of the weekEND, is actually the start of the week? Explain that one to me, please.

Originally posted by Foxxx
oops! well spotted. I should be cheeky and go back and edit it!

25th SEPTEMBER is the next sunday to come!


So would you refer to tomorrow (Thursday) as "next Thursday"? If not, why not?

Originally posted by t020
So would you refer to tomorrow (Thursday) as "next Thursday"? If not, why not?

I would personally have said tomorrow! Not next thursday.
As I said in my previous post, the closer it gets to the day you are referring to, next doesn't apply anymore. If I had said next thursday, I would have been referring to Thursday 29th and I would think most people would know exactly what I was talking about. This is a personal opinion. So when you question why not? I say, because that's was I do and my mates would understand!!

I really don't think there's a right or wrong. I think most people usually know when you have a conversation which day you are referring to, and if not sure would ask. I've had conversations that go along the lines of "what not this sunday coming, but the next one after" etc. If it were Monday morning I would refer to the next weekend to come, as next weekend. When I got to say Thursday, Friday, I'd say what are you doing this weekend.

If in doubt ask for confirmation! Don't assume. Easy. Sorted. I've never had a problem.

Originally posted by Cyclone
Most people consider Monday to be the beginning of the week.

The worst bus company in the world ( First South Yorkshire Buses) have the week start on a Sunday.

Originally posted by Foxxx
I would personally have said tomorrow! Not next thursday.
As I said in my previous post, the closer it gets to the day you are referring to, next doesn't apply anymore. If I had said next thursday, I would have been referring to Thursday 29th and I would think most people would know exactly what I was talking about. This is a personal opinion. So when you question why not? I say, because that's was I do and my mates would understand!!

So basically when you say "next Thursday" you actually mean the Thursday that's coming but not coming very soon. If it's the next Thursday but within 2 days, you'd not call it "next Thursday" but yet if it was Monday you'd refer to it as "next Thursday" because it's the next Thursday coming. Hmm. I think it makes a LOT more sense to just use "this Thursday" for same week and "next Thursday" for NEXT week. Since your method changes depending on how near the day you are, on which day of this week would you change your definition of NEXT Sunday to being 2nd October? Today? Tomorrow? Saturday?

Originally posted by t020
So basically when you say "next Thursday" you actually mean the Thursday that's coming but not coming very soon. If it's the next Thursday but within 2 days, you'd not call it "next Thursday" but yet if it was Monday you'd refer to it as "next Thursday" because it's the next Thursday coming. Hmm. I think it makes a LOT more sense to just use "this Thursday" for same week and "next Thursday" for NEXT week. Since your method changes depending on how near the day you are, on which day of this week would you change your definition of NEXT Sunday to being 2nd October? Today? Tomorrow? Saturday?

Not sure why you're trying to be so padantic with me in particular, I think you'll find that a lot of people do the same as me. :loopy:

To answer your question, since you don't seem to understand the method I have already described, The Sunday coming, since it is pretty soon now, although it is literally the next sunday to come, I would now refer to it as Sunday. ie no this no next! I'd just say 'What you up to on Sunday'. I would start calling 2nd October next sunday, about now really, because I'd make a point of emphasising next sunday being the one after sunday (which is in a couple of days).

As I say, I'm quite clear inwhat I say and how I emphase this, next and neither this or next. It's never been a problem and all my mates understand me and I understand my mates! :clap:

Why what do you do?

Originally posted by madowl
God Rested on the Seventh Day......

So if the seventh day will be a Shabbat for God, (sunday)
the first day of the week must be Monday...

"This or next" monday i dont know it depends on which adjective you want..
:P

Actually the original Sabbath was not Sunday. Indeed the Spanish for saturday is Sabado. Which seems too close to the word Sabbath for comfort for my liking.
Also Jews and Muslims have Friday for their own sabbath.
And in our language all the other days apart from friday are named after objects in our solar system.

The Jewish People had the old testament of the bible before the christians, who were basically a break away sect. and the quote you gave basically predates the English Language as we know it.

Originally posted by t020
So Sunday, the final day of the weekEND, is actually the start of the week? Explain that one to me, please.

Easy.

We have a week of seven days. Let's for sake of argument call them 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7

1 and 7 are the ends of the week.

the previous week's 7 and the next week's 1 always appear next to each other. They are both ends of adjacent weeks but taken together they are weeks' ends.

Over the years the term weeks' ends eventually becomes contracted to weekend.

Now substitute.
Sunday for 1, Monday for 2, ... and Saturday for 7

That is how we have arrived at our weekend, which is of course an English language word, as they don't have a word for it in French. They had to adopt our word.

Originally posted by Foxxx
Not sure why you're trying to be so pandantic with me in particular, I think you'll find that a lot of people do the same as me. :loopy:

To answer your question, since you don't seem to understand the method I have already described, The Sunday coming, since it is pretty soon now, although it is literally the next sunday to come, I would now refer to it as Sunday. ie no this no next! I'd just say 'What you up to on Sunday'. I would start calling 2nd October next sunday, about now really, because I'd make a point of emphasising next sunday being the one after sunday (which is in a couple of days).

As I say, I'm quite clear inwhat I say and how I emphase this, next and neither this or next. It's never been a problem and all my mates understand me and I understand my mates! :clap:

Why what do you do?


There's nothing remotely clear about your method (and I realise it's not just you, I just randomly chose your post to quote). By implication you're saying that if you voted again in this poll you'd vote "next Sunday" as being 2nd October, just because we're 2 days later on through time than when the poll was posed. It seems ridiculous and inconsistent. I'd call "next Sunday" the 2nd October whether I said it today or 2 days ago. While ever the 2nd October was in the next calendar week it would always be "next Sunday". This eradicates any "interpretation" of how close or far off the day you have to be to use certain terms. It's really quite simple and I always thought most people used this method, though judging by the poll, clearly not. Maybe it's a Sheffield thing?

Originally posted by muddycoffee
Easy.

We have a week of seven days. Let's for sake of argument call them 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7

1 and 7 are the ends of the week.

the previous week's 7 and the next week's 1 always appear next to each other. They are both ends of adjacent weeks but taken together they are weeks' ends.

Over the years the term weeks' ends eventually becomes contracted to weekend.

Now substitute.
Sunday for 1, Monday for 2, ... and Saturday for 7

That is how we have arrived at our weekend, which is of course an English language word, as they don't have a word for it in French. They had to adopt our word.

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4505

I thought it was a really straightforward issue, i.e., the next Sunday would be the next date that Sunday occurred (however close or far away it might be), and that is 25 September.

However, having followed the debate, I can see why some folk would think that next Sunday would in fact be 02 October.

On this coming Friday or Saturday, I would still regard next Sunday as 25 September - but it would be an odd figure of speech to use so close to the actual date. I would expect someone to say "this Sunday" (for 25 Sep) and "a week on Sunday" (for 02 Oct). Clarification is clearly required.

Equally....... if someone today mentioned "last Sunday" to me, I would have assumed they were referring to Sun 18 Sep. But, if someone mentioned "last Sunday" to me on Mon 19 Sep, although I would still have assumed that they meant the day before, maybe they would have been referring to Sun 11 Sep?

I am looking forward to my holiday, which starts next Saturday, i.e., this Saturday. We are returning a week on Sunday.....or should that be next Sunday? :huh:

Originally posted by t020
There's nothing remotely clear about your method (and I realise it's not just you, I just randomly chose your post to quote). By implication you're saying that if you voted again in this poll you'd vote "next Sunday" as being 2nd October, just because we're 2 days later on through time than when the poll was posed. It seems ridiculous and inconsistent. I'd call "next Sunday" the 2nd October whether I said it today or 2 days ago. While ever the 2nd October was in the next calendar week it would always be "next Sunday". This eradicates any "interpretation" of how close or far off the day you have to be to use certain terms. It's really quite simple and I always thought most people used this method, though judging by the poll, clearly not. Maybe it's a Sheffield thing?

Well I always thought my method was perfectly clear and redrobbo kinda hit the nail on the head. When you physically have a conversation with people you change your language so that it sounds correct to people. So If I bumped into a mate on Saturday, this saturday coming 24th Sept, and I asked them 'What you doing next Sunday?', they would full well know that I was talking about Sunday 2nd October, even though the next day it literally the next sunday to arrive. They would know I would have said 'what are you doing tomorrow' if I wanted to refer to Sunday 25th Sept.
However, had I bumped into this person last Monday and I wanted to know what they were doing Sunday 25th, I would have said 'what you doing next sunday'. If I had wanted to ask them about 2nd Oct I would have said 'What you doing Sunday after next' or 'What are you doing, not this sunday coming, but the next one'. It's really simple. I'm clear and I'm understood. Would you not understand me?

I'd call "next Sunday" the 2nd October whether I said it today or 2 days ago. While ever the 2nd October was in the next calendar week it would always be "next Sunday". This eradicates any "interpretation" of how close or far off the day you have to be

Well clearly people's interpretations differ, look at the results of the poll.
I am merely pointing out what I do. I'm not stating whether anyone is right or wrong. I don't think in terms of a literal calendar week days 1-7. I just think relative to the day we are at!

Really T020, get out a bit more and try having a conversation with real people, my method really does work. It's not even my method, it's just called having a normal conversation!

And no it's not a Sheffield thing. I don't come from Sheffield for a start, I'm a southener! And my mates are a mixture, some Sheffielders and others from all over.

Oh and just to clarify further, there are no guidelines for this method, just practice with real life situations. Relative time will differ for each person, but just to prove a point look at the poll. Intially when the poll was started, 25th October was ahead, but as the week as progressed and we've got closer to this weekend and therefore Sunday 25th is closer, the voting has been going up for 2nd October, which now makes more sense to call Next sunday.

If someone said to me "see you next sunday"
Then i would take it to mean the following week, as if they meant this sunday , then they would surely have said "see you on sunday."
Seems logical to me.

Bearing in mind, most people dont class sunday as the first day of the week, whether it is or not.

Originally posted by muddycoffee
Actually the original Sabbath was not Sunday. Indeed the Spanish for saturday is Sabado. Which seems too close to the word Sabbath for comfort for my liking.
Also Jews and Muslims have Friday for their own sabbath.
And in our language all the other days apart from friday are named after objects in our solar system.

The Jewish People had the old testament of the bible before the christians, who were basically a break away sect. and the quote you gave basically predates the English Language as we know it.

You are right to say the original Sabbath was Saturday and that continues to be Jewish Sabbath, not Friday. The confusion may come from those who observe the Sabbath strictly (i.e. no work at all and even rectrictions on how far you can walk) considering it to start at sundown on Friday.

Originally posted by tara
If someone said to me "see you next sunday"
Then i would take it to mean the following week, as if they meant this sunday , then they would surely have said "see you on sunday."
Seems logical to me.

Bearing in mind, most people dont class sunday as the first day of the week, whether it is or not.

Agreed. Logical thinking, IMO.

Originally posted by Foxxx
Well I always thought my method was perfectly clear and redrobbo kinda hit the nail on the head. When you physically have a conversation with people you change your language so that it sounds correct to people. So If I bumped into a mate on Saturday, this saturday coming 24th Sept, and I asked them 'What you doing next Sunday?', they would full well know that I was talking about Sunday 2nd October, even though the next day it literally the next sunday to arrive. They would know I would have said 'what are you doing tomorrow' if I wanted to refer to Sunday 25th Sept.
However, had I bumped into this person last Monday and I wanted to know what they were doing Sunday 25th, I would have said 'what you doing next sunday'. If I had wanted to ask them about 2nd Oct I would have said 'What you doing Sunday after next' or 'What are you doing, not this sunday coming, but the next one'. It's really simple. I'm clear and I'm understood. Would you not understand me?

No. And what if you bumped into that person in town on a Thursday or Friday? Which Sunday would be "next" then? How many days near to the day do you have to be before you change your definition of "next"?


Originally posted by Foxxx

Well clearly people's interpretations differ, look at the results of the poll.
I am merely pointing out what I do. I'm not stating whether anyone is right or wrong. I don't think in terms of a literal calendar week days 1-7. I just think relative to the day we are at!

Really T020, get out a bit more and try having a conversation with real people, my method really does work. It's not even my method, it's just called having a normal conversation!

And no it's not a Sheffield thing. I don't come from Sheffield for a start, I'm a southener! And my mates are a mixture, some Sheffielders and others from all over.


Your method would confuse a lot of people. Like I said, what would you say to the person in town if you bumped into them on a Thursday or Friday? Which would be the "next Sunday" then, and how many days before does the definition change? Why not adopt the more logical approach that I described previously and that Tara mentions as well?

Originally posted by muddycoffee
And in our language all the other days apart from friday are named after objects in our solar system.

er, Monday and Sunday are, the rest - to my knoweldge - are named after norse or roman gods.

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
er, Monday and Sunday are, the rest - to my knoweldge - are named after norse or roman gods.

(Satur)day - (Satur)n ?
Tuesday/(Mar)di - (Mar)s
Wenesday/(merc)redi - (Merc)ury
Thursday/Jeudi - Jupiter ( also Thor's Day )
Friday/(ven)dedi - (ven)us

The planets were thought of as gods in their own right by many ancients

Originally posted by muddycoffee
(Satur)day - (Satur)n ?
Tuesday/(Mar)di - (Mar)s
Wenesday/(merc)redi - (Merc)ury
Thursday/Jeudi - Jupiter ( also Thor's Day )
Friday/(ven)dedi - (ven)us

The planets were thought of as gods in their own right by many ancients

Sorry, you mean in french. Now i understand.

English of course it is

Tuesday - Tyr
Wednesday - Odin
Thursday - Thor
Friday - Frigg

Originally posted by t020
No. And what if you bumped into that person in town on a Thursday or Friday? Which Sunday would be "next" then? How many days near to the day do you have to be before you change your definition of "next"?





Your method would confuse a lot of people. Like I said, what would you say to the person in town if you bumped into them on a Thursday or Friday? Which would be the "next Sunday" then, and how many days before does the definition change? Why not adopt the more logical approach that I described previously and that Tara mentions as well?

I'm not going to explain it again. Please refer to my previous posts. I've already explained it enough times!

You say you wouldn't understand the sentences in my post. Oh dear!!! What is there not to understand about the sentences
'what you doing next sunday'?
'What you doing Sunday after next' ?
'What are you doing, not this sunday coming, but the next one'?

As I've already said, there is no right or wrong, clearly from the poll this is split. I've also said, it's not my method! Stop trying to (as you always do) be right. You're not right, same as I'm not right. It's down to personal opinion and knowing how to understand you mates. I know what my mates mean and they know what I mean. That's all that matters! If you go through life trying to argue your point all the time, you won't have any friends left to meet this sunday or next!
:loopy:

Originally posted by Foxxx
I'm not going to explain it again. Please refer to my previous posts. I've already explained it enough times!

You say you wouldn't understand the sentences in my post. Oh dear!!! What is there not to understand about the sentences
'what you doing next sunday'?
'What you doing Sunday after next' ?
'What are you doing, not this sunday coming, but the next one'?

As I've already said, there is no right or wrong, clearly from the poll this is split. I've also said, it's not my method! Stop trying to (as you always do) be right. You're not right, same as I'm not right. It's down to personal opinion and knowing how to understand you mates. I know what my mates mean and they know what I mean. That's all that matters! If you go through life trying to argue your point all the time, you won't have any friends left to meet this sunday or next!
:loopy:

:hihi:

But I'll ask again because you still haven't answered.... how many days before does the "next" day become just the day? E.g. Is Thursday 29th September just Thursday or NEXT Thursday? Is Friday 30th September just Friday or NEXT Friday? At which point is the line drawn? I need to understand your method.

This is extremely simple - nextTuesday - 4th October.
this or [insert day without ''this''] Tuesday - 27th September.

Now, move on!

:)

Originally posted by kentboy119
This is extremely simple - nextTuesday - 4th October.
this or [insert day without ''this''] Tuesday - 27th September.

Now, move on!

:)


That's what I thought, but apparently not...

Maybe this is a local thing - similar to your "while through the traffic lights" thing.

"'What you doing Sunday after next' ? "

That would be three Sundays down the line, if you are in the asking on Mon-Sat of that week!

:)

Originally posted by kentboy119
Maybe this is a local thing - similar to your "while through the traffic lights" thing.

"'What you doing Sunday after next' ? "

That would be three Sundays down the line, if you are in the asking on Mon-Sat of that week!

:)

I asked Foxx if it was a local thing but she said it wasn't. I really don't understand it, which is why I'd be interested to read her response to the question I posed to her above.

Originally posted by t020
:hihi:

But I'll ask again because you still haven't answered.... how many days before does the "next" day become just the day? E.g. Is Thursday 29th September just Thursday or NEXT Thursday? Is Friday 30th September just Friday or NEXT Friday? At which point is the line drawn? I need to understand your method.

Why do you need to understand this method (it's not my method how many times do I need to say that). I really can't be bothered to answer your question because a) I've already answered it in my previous posts, in fact so have other people, I suggest you read all the previous posts taking note of the date each post was made b) we're not excatly arranging to meet so it doesn't matter if you don't understand me, all that matters is that my mates understand me and I understand them, and to this date I've not had any probs!

Let it rest, it really doesn't matter, it won't help you to sleep at night or bring peace to the world.

:)

Originally posted by Foxxx
Why do you need to understand this method (it's not my method how many times do I need to say that). I really can't be bothered to answer your question because a) I've already answered it in my previous posts, in fact so have other people, I suggest you read all the previous posts taking note of the date each post was made b) we're not excatly arranging to meet so it doesn't matter if you don't understand me, all that matters is that my mates understand me and I understand them, and to this date I've not had any probs!

Let it rest, it really doesn't matter, it won't help you to sleep at night or bring peace to the world.

:)


a) No you haven't - no-one has given a definitive answer regarding how many days before the "next" applies. I suspect this is because there isn't one - it's an illogical method so there will be no logic behind the definition, just individual interpretation and discretion.

b) No we're not, but like you said, there are others like you so it would be a useful life skill for me to be able to understand the thinking involved. Imagine the confusion involved if I arranged a meeting with someone for "next Friday" - I'd mean Friday 7th October, the other person could mean Friday 30th September. If I knew how many days before your "next" rule kicks in, I'd have a better chance of understanding other people who also use your method.

Originally posted by t020
a) No you haven't - no-one has given a definitive answer regarding how many days before the "next" applies. I suspect this is because there isn't one - it's an illogical method so there will be no logic behind the definition, just individual interpretation and discretion.

b) No we're not, but like you said, there are others like you so it would be a useful life skill for me to be able to understand the thinking involved. Imagine the confusion involved if I arranged a meeting with someone for "next Friday" - I'd mean Friday 7th October, the other person could mean Friday 30th September. If I knew how many days before your "next" rule kicks in, I'd have a better chance of understanding other people who also use your method.

But the amount of people that use Foxxx's method seem to be very slim...

Originally posted by martmatt
If someone says "see you next Sunday", when would you expect to meet, September 25th or October 2nd?

I believe the latter, as I'm a "this Sunday, next Sunday" man, but I've come a cropper over this a couple of times lately.

I'd like to know how others see this as I may have to change my approach if I'm in a very small minority.

Cheers,
Martin.
why dont u just say the date when u arrange to meet someone to save confusion

Originally posted by kentboy119
But the amount of people that use Foxxx's method seem to be very slim...

Clearly not! When the thread started the poll indicated that people were voting according to the literal next because it is the physical next Sunday to come. As that day got nearer, people started to vote more for the later date. This to me indicated that the calander week was not important to those who voted the 25th Sept initially. So saying the method I use is slim is hardly the case when the poll clearly indicated that it was a split decision.

As I say, it really doesn't matter how you do it, confirm using dates if in doubt!

Good to see the Forum is penetrating right to the heart of the issues of the day, as ever.

Originally posted by Foxxx
Clearly not! When the thread started the poll indicated that people were voting according to the literal next because it is the physical next Sunday to come. As that day got nearer, people started to vote more for the later date. This to me indicated that the calander week was not important to those who voted the 25th Sept initially. So saying the method I use is slim is hardly the case when the poll clearly indicated that it was a split decision.

As I say, it really doesn't matter how you do it, confirm using dates if in doubt!

Still avoiding my question I see...

Originally posted by t020
Still avoiding my question I see...

I told you to read my previous posts. The answer is there. I gave enough examples, as did others. I can't be ar*ed to answer your specific question, if I do, you'll ask another. It's really not important. Just let it lie for once.

Originally posted by BoroughGal
My birthday is NEXT Sunday, if that answers your question....?



we share the same birthday BoroughGal so hope you have a lovely day.

Originally posted by t020
a) No you haven't - no-one has given a definitive answer regarding how many days before the "next" applies. I suspect this is because there isn't one - it's an illogical method so there will be no logic behind the definition, just individual interpretation and discretion.

b) No we're not, but like you said, there are others like you so it would be a useful life skill for me to be able to understand the thinking involved. Imagine the confusion involved if I arranged a meeting with someone for "next Friday" - I'd mean Friday 7th October, the other person could mean Friday 30th September. If I knew how many days before your "next" rule kicks in, I'd have a better chance of understanding other people who also use your method.

OMG.

I am crying with laughter into my second coffee of the day. Logic was invented long after language came about, and is itself only a way of talking about things using a specialised language.

Don't forget that in combination with the past tense, "this" can also masquerade as "last".

"when was it"
"it was this tuesday, you missed it"
"when's the next one"
"it's next tuesday"

Like most things in English, it's a matter of context and expectation that dictates the meaning of words. Not pseudo-linguistic logical principles.

Wars have been started over less.

Here's what I do. If I mean the next Sunday coming, I say, "on Sunday". If I mean the Sunday after, I say, "a week on Sunday" (not "Sunday week" - that's perverted and wrong).

If someone says, "next Sunday" and it's not immediately clear what they mean, I say, "do you mean this Sunday coming?" or something similar. Hey presto. End of confusion.

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
OMG.

I am crying with laughter into my second coffee of the day. Logic was invented long after language came about, and is itself only a way of talking about things using a specialised language.

Don't forget that in combination with the past tense, "this" can also masquerade as "last".

"when was it"
"it was this tuesday, you missed it"
"when's the next one"
"it's next tuesday"

Like most things in English, it's a matter of context and expectation that dictates the meaning of words. Not pseudo-linguistic logical principles.

Absolutely! You explained it better than me! I say whatever feels appropriate at the time i.e. in context.

Originally posted by Foxxx
Absolutely! You explained it better than me! I say whatever feels appropriate at the time i.e. in context.

Yes, so what makes it appropriate? What kind of timescale do you use to apply your fuzzy logic? You still haven't answered this question, in any previous posts or after my several requests. When would your "NEXT xxxday" become just "xxxday"? Would Saturday (in the context of today - Wednesday) be "next Saturday" or simply "Saturday"? What about Friday? Sunday?

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
OMG.

I am crying with laughter into my second coffee of the day. Logic was invented long after language came about, and is itself only a way of talking about things using a specialised language.

Don't forget that in combination with the past tense, "this" can also masquerade as "last".

"when was it"
"it was this tuesday, you missed it"
"when's the next one"
"it's next tuesday"

Like most things in English, it's a matter of context and expectation that dictates the meaning of words. Not pseudo-linguistic logical principles.

Yes, and all I'm *trying* to do is decipher that context.

In my view, " (in the context of today - Wednesday) be "next Saturday" or simply "Saturday?" - it would just be Saturday.

:)