Why do people have to give their homes such cringingly bad names as Dunroamin and Costabom?

Do you know of any other naff names? Is this a working class thing or do the residents of say, Ecclesall do a similar thing?

It's a working-class thing, I reckon. it's the same with caravans isn't it?

I've seen homes in S11 with house names and cottage names.

So it's not just a working class thing!

Originally posted by Sam Miguel
It's a working-class thing, I reckon. it's the same with caravans isn't it?

I think someone's been watching too much Coronation Street ;)

Eeey Vera, look at that I say look at that (etc)

Originally posted by DaBouncer
I've seen homes in S11 with house names and cottage names.

So it's not just a working class thing!

But don't the working-class come up with same old excruciating names?

Possibly.... not having my house named... I cant comment.
In fact... I'm originally from Gleadless Valley and having lived there for 20 odd years I can hoinestly say I dont know one house that had been named!

Another thing they do is combine their names eg valerie and John = Valjon, that type of thing.

Yes, I used to know a couple called Shaun and Agatha and they did this.

Originally posted by Sam Miguel
Yes, I used to know a couple called Shaun and Agatha and they did this.


:D

That definately brought a smile to my face Sam... a lot better than the old jokes about the Manor!! *ahem*
Chloé

As I work for Royal Mail this is something I come across quite often.
Rural areas tend to have the largest concentration of named properties,however these are normaly legitimate names that have some bearing on the property.

The worst ones are the people that name their Des Res but fail to register it,they strip it of its number and fail to put up a sign.
When their mail fails to be delivered because they have no number and no name sign,they wonder why.

examples I have come across are:

Regidunworkin-chesterfield
Toad Hall-Ashover
Cassa Skint-Chesterfield

Originally posted by Mo
Why do people have to give their homes such cringingly bad names as Dunroamin and Costabom?

Do you know of any other naff names? Is this a working class thing or do the residents of say, Ecclesall do a similar thing?

Hang on, define working class? That's people who work, right? Upper class are like royalty and middle class have servants. I don't think there are any people with servants in Ecclesall.

Sorry, I popped off topic a bit there, but I couldn't resist it.

Originally posted by Classic Rock
Hang on, define working class? That's people who work, right? Upper class are like royalty and middle class have servants. I don't think there are any people with servants in Ecclesall.

Sorry, I popped off topic a bit there, but I couldn't resist it.


Maybe centuries ago, yes. However the middle class of today is fragmented into different groups - you are referring to what is mostly known as "upper middle class". Middle class people can be those in professional occupations from a relatively well off background. Yes, they work for a living, but they aren't working class. The working classes are generally employed in manual labour and unskilled jobs.

For example, a doctor living in Fulwood with a BMW still works for his money. So too does the binman who lives in a council house on the Manor who catches the bus. They're not both working class!!

What about a Civil Servant who lives in a council estate and a Doorman that lives in Whirlow?

Which is middle class which is working class?

Originally posted by DaBouncer
What about a Civil Servant who lives in a council estate and a Doorman that lives in Whirlow?

Which is middle class which is working class?

Other factors decide it too, such as parents occupation, education, lifestyle, etc..... occupation and residential area are just 2 examples, and there are plenty of grey areas. More info would be needed to judge the classes of those 2 people you mention. Anyway, its irrelevant, my point was merely to highlight the fact that ClassicRocks definition of middle class is outdated because the middle class grew rapidly over the last 50 years and now has various tiers within it too.

I say different, I say Middle Class is exactly that.

Middle class people dont have to work if they choose not to. Middle class people are born into money (families with successful businesses) and they live off that.

Working class is defined as such. Workers!
I say people in Sheffield and these 'affluent' areas are STILL working class. Both partners work (whether be it doctors, teachers, solicitors) they have jobs. It's just certain snobbery still exists that people that have setup home in these 'affluent' areas try to disassociate themselves with the other 'not to affluent' areas around them.

How do they do this, by saying that BECAUSE they live in an 'affluent' area and their parents are Doctors/Teachers then they are middle class and all others are working class.

That rubbish mate.

Couple
Live in Whirlow.
Mother born into a family that had a successful haulage business established and grew up in Greystones.

Father born to working parents in Arbourthorne and trained as a plasterer.

She works part time as a receptionist, he works out of london as a contractor (plasterer/builder).

Is this family working class or middle class?

Until we hear the families accents, we can not tell for sure ;)




Only joking, DB!

(Sorry, we are going off thread here)

The names I think are really naff are the ones belonging to the larger houses. Those such as High Trees, The Turrets or The Beeches. We can see the trees, etc., we don't need a notice!

Attrempting to bring this thread back to its original purpose.:D

Originally posted by max
The names I think are really naff are the ones belonging to the larger houses. Those such as High Trees, The Turrets or The Beeches. We can see the trees, etc., we don't need a notice!

Attrempting to bring this thread back to its original purpose.:D

Thanks for that max. Besides which this class thing has been argued on here before. Perhaps I should have asked at the begining of the thread - what type of people name their houses? Would it be people with lots of dosh/no taste/big houses etc,but I bet the class thing would still have been brought up as it'sa convenient way of classifying (ha) people.

Tis a question Ive asked in my thread,alot of threads always resort to the class argument.

Quite sad realy

Originally posted by DaBouncer
I say different, I say Middle Class is exactly that.

Middle class people dont have to work if they choose not to. Middle class people are born into money (families with successful businesses) and they live off that.

Working class is defined as such. Workers!
I say people in Sheffield and these 'affluent' areas are STILL working class. Both partners work (whether be it doctors, teachers, solicitors) they have jobs. It's just certain snobbery still exists that people that have setup home in these 'affluent' areas try to disassociate themselves with the other 'not to affluent' areas around them.

How do they do this, by saying that BECAUSE they live in an 'affluent' area and their parents are Doctors/Teachers then they are middle class and all others are working class.

That rubbish mate.

Couple
Live in Whirlow.
Mother born into a family that had a successful haulage business established and grew up in Greystones.

Father born to working parents in Arbourthorne and trained as a plasterer.

She works part time as a receptionist, he works out of london as a contractor (plasterer/builder).

Is this family working class or middle class?


So a working class binman wins the lottery, thus no longer having to work, and in your eyes suddenly elevates to being middle class? Don't think so, 'mate'. Middle class is not as easily defined as that. Occupation DOES affect class. In answer to your question, the mother is lower middle class and the father is working class, IMHO. The mother was born into a family with a rich businessman as her father and grew up in one of Sheffields better suburbs. The father grew up in Arbourthorne and is a manual labourer.

PS. I presume they're your girlfriends parents?

So this was a thread on Naff House Names,and it still reverts to a class argument.

Seems to me that this subject is the only topic some people have a veiw on.

Originally posted by tango2
So this was a thread on Naff House Names,and it still reverts to a class argument.

Seems to me that this subject is the only topic some people have a veiw on.

I'm afraid that's very true. imo the people who shout loudest about class and accent are those who have very little in their lives in terms of achievement. It is the centre of their world without which they would feel inadequate.

Once they have made their mark in the world people tend to place less emphasis on class and more on who they actually are.

Originally posted by t020
So a working class binman wins the lottery, thus no longer having to work, and in your eyes suddenly elevates to being middle class? Don't think so, 'mate'. Middle class is not as easily defined as that. Occupation DOES affect class. In answer to your question, the mother is lower middle class and the father is working class, IMHO. The mother was born into a family with a rich businessman as her father and grew up in one of Sheffields better suburbs. The father grew up in Arbourthorne and is a manual labourer.

PS. I presume they're your girlfriends parents?
Obviously you dont read or think.
Lets clear on thing up t020, we are not and never will be 'mates'. I used this term when referring to you rather than using the word snob.
I hope this will be the last about classes we discusss on this thread t020... if you want to continue it... lets use Tango2's thread in General Sheffield Chat (see link below). Let me clear something up... NO they are not my girlfriends parents... however they are REAL people. And all this talk of Upper middle class / lower middle class / just middle class it straight out of your warped mind of trying to make yourself sound better than everyone else. You have issues.

Second I stated and I quote:
Posted by DaBouncer
Middle class people dont have to work if they choose not to. Middle class people are born into money (families with successful businesses) and they live off that.
There... Born into money... not winning lottery... BORN.
The Binman that won the lottery will always be working class.... however his children that would be born and brought up in that millionaire lifestyle will by definition (or state of mind) be middle class.

I feel that this (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&postid=59938#post59938) post sums it up in one T020.

Just one more thing my fiancee is from Whirlow... which is a more 'affluent' area than Ecclesall. And she classes herself (and so does her family) as working class. So get over yourself!

Originally posted by DaBouncer

Just one more thing my fiancee is from Whirlow... which is a more 'affluent' area than Ecclesall. And she classes herself (and so does her family) as working class. So get over yourself!

Thats what made me think the examples you were referring to were your fiancées parents. You have previously stated that her dad is a builder, so with that in mind, of course she considers herself to be working class on the basis that she IS.

Also, don't tell me to get over myself. I'm not claiming to be better than anyone. I was, like many others, just discussing the definition of class, which these days is very hard to define as there are so many grey areas. If you want to throw insults, use PMs by all means, but not the actual forum!

Originally posted by DaBouncer
. And all this talk of Upper middle class / lower middle class / just middle class it straight out of your warped mind of trying to make yourself sound better than everyone else. You have issues.


"All this talk" was not started by me so don't blame me for it. And yes, there are various levels of being Middle class, not in my 'warped mind' but in text book definitions and general consensus NATIONWIDE (not just in this flat cap wearing village).
The levels exist because the professionals who work for a living are middle class, but so too are those born into wealth that spend their time hunting foxes in the countryside. The 2 are clearly different groups of people, hence lower and upper middle classes.

Originally posted by t020
Thats what made me think the examples you were referring to were your fiancées parents. You have previously stated that her dad is a builder, so with that in mind, of course she considers herself to be working class on the basis that she IS.
And so are YOU:P

Originally posted by DaBouncer
And so are YOU:P

My dad is a manager, not a builder. A very subtle difference........

How pathetic was your last post t020?? You're making yourself sound like a snob, hence people picking you up on this!! It doesn't matter what background you were brought up in, what does matter is how much love you were given and HOW you were brought up... as it seems some of us were DRAGGED up!!?? You, obviously, have some serious issues with people who were born into a different family to yours, because to you, you're all high and mighty because of where you live. Let's get one thing straight, you're NO better than ANYONE of us on here, and I for one won't let you THINK you are!!

Originally posted by Chloe
How pathetic was your last post t020?? You're making yourself sound like a snob, hence people picking you up on this!! It doesn't matter what background you were brought up in, what does matter is how much love you were given and HOW you were brought up... as it seems some of us were DRAGGED up!!?? You, obviously, have some serious issues with people who were born into a different family to yours, because to you, you're all high and mighty because of where you live. Let's get one thing straight, you're NO better than ANYONE of us on here, and I for one won't let you THINK you are!!
What he fails to realise that her 'just a builder' dad has his own company and probably makes at least twice as much.
But it's neither here nore there really!

Originally posted by DaBouncer
What he fails to realise that her 'just a builder' dad has his own company and probably makes at least twice as much.
But it's neither here nore there really!

What you fail to realise is that you called me working class when, by official definition, I'm not. And Chloe, that is not to say I "think I'm better than anyone", but DaBouncer did make that post purely to provoke my response.


Also, however much they earn, a builder is still a working class occupation.

Oh come off it!

True... thanks for fulfilling my wish.

And you are working class mate. But you can delude yourself by thinking otherwise if you so wish.:P

Originally posted by t020
What you fail to realise is that you called me working class when, by official definition, I'm not. And Chloe, that is not to say I "think I'm better than anyone", but DaBouncer did make that post purely to provoke my response.


Also, however much they earn, a builder is still a working class occupation.
I'm a manager t020.... am I now middle class then?

Originally posted by DaBouncer
True... thanks for fulfilling my wish.

And you are working class mate. But you can delude yourself by thinking otherwise if you so wish.:P

Oooooooooooh, shall I rise to the bait again? Yes I shall.
No I'm not working class, by most definitions I would be somewhere between lower and middle middle class. Do I think I'm aristocracy? No. Do I think I'm 'better'? No. I reckon about 30% of the users on here are middle class, only some don't like admitting it these days for some reason - some kind of inverse snobbery thing.

Originally posted by DaBouncer
I'm a manager t020.... am I now middle class then?

There I was thinking you were a doorman....

Anyway, if you are a manager it would depend upon what level of management it is - i.e. "team leader" or "supervisor" or other such title in a call centre or something does not constitute proper management. By management I mean senior and middle level managers upwards. If thats the case with you then your kids, if you have any, would by definition be middle class, yes.

I am a doorman. Head doorman.
However I'm also a civil servant... a manager within the civil service. I'm a government worker. However I'll not make you say it.

I feel personally that I am and always will be working class. And proud to be. You know not a snob, not a 'I'm better than you' type o' guy... regular old fashioned hard working; working class bloke!

Cheers!

I have to agree with you there, DB!!
:cool:
Chlo Bo

Originally posted by DaBouncer
I am a doorman. Head doorman.
However I'm also a civil servant... a manager within the civil service. I'm a government worker. However I'll not make you say it.

I feel personally that I am and always will be working class. And proud to be. You know not a snob, not a 'I'm better than you' type o' guy... regular old fashioned hard working; working class bloke!

Cheers!

If you were a high level civil serice manager theres no way you'd be moonlighting as a doorman........

Why not? One of my colleagues (doorman colleagues) is also a Teacher... so I'm sorry mate you're wrong!

Originally posted by DaBouncer
Why not? One of my colleagues (doorman colleagues) is also a Teacher... so I'm sorry mate you're wrong!

Teachers don't get paid as much as high level management within the civil service.

I suppose it all depends on what you class as high level.
Put it this way, I work as a doorman because I enjoy it, not because I need the £££

so.... T020. as you always seem to know everything, lets say.... if my mum is a manager, and my dad is pretty high up in CID in the police force, i'll not say what for definate as im not sure. and he owns BMW etc. i live with my mum n her partner who is also a manager. i live near the manor and would always class myself as working class. but as my mum is a manager etc. does tht change it. cus i dont think so. they r still working

Originally posted by SatanInHeels
so.... T020. as you always seem to know everything, lets say.... if my mum is a manager, and my dad is pretty high up in CID in the police force, i'll not say what for definate as im not sure. and he owns BWM etc. i live with my mum n her partner who is also a manager. i live near the manor and would always class myself as working class. but as my mum is a manager etc. does tht change it. cus i dont think so. they r still working

No, I never said occupation was the *only* thing, did I? Its one of the contributing factors that help define the classes and which one we fit into. When all said and done anyway, it really makes no difference. I just have to dispute comments like "anyone who works is working class" because they are clearly wrong.

PS. Whats a BWM? Never seen one of those on the road before...

fair enuff, well you keep tellin ureself that you are not working class unlike most of the people in sheffield, and i will not even try to argue with you as it obviously is pointless. maybe like i have been told, best not to bother with u.

and BWM? eh?

Originally posted by SatanInHeels
fair enuff, well you keep tellin ureself that you are not working class unlike most of the people in sheffield, and i will not even try to argue with you as it obviously is pointless. maybe like i have been told, best not to bother with u.

and BWM? eh?

There are plenty of people in Sheffield who aren't working class, whether you like it or not. Drive up to Ecclesall, Fulwood, etc, and try telling a few people how working class they are, see what their response is. You could even get a lift up in your "BWM"...

To the best of my knowledge, class is defined by these types of things:

* accent
* clothing
* the newspaper you read
* education
* occupaton
* where you live
* interests

Some of these seem a little daft, eg: newspaper, but basically they are cultural signals to sociologists....

(Don't blame me if you disagree, blame the Letts study guides!)

and BWM? eh?

He's made a meal out of a simple typo... don't worry about it... I know what you mean!

Originally posted by caprice
To the best of my knowledge, class is defined by these types of things:

* accent
* clothing
* the newspaper you read
* education
* occupaton
* where you live
* interests

Some of these seem a little daft, eg: newspaper, but basically they are cultural signals to sociologists....

(Don't blame me if you disagree, blame the Letts study guides!)


I agree. What I don't understand is that those people who think I have some kind of problem with them are the ones who seem to have the biggest problem accepting that Sheffield does have middle class people living in it, whether they like it or not.

i realli could't care less to be quite honest with ya, i didnt post on here to start an argument with ya, just to ask a question. but u didnt surprise me by turning it into one!!!

Originally posted by t020
I agree. What I don't understand is that those people who think I have some kind of problem with them are the ones who seem to have the biggest problem accepting that Sheffield does have middle class people living in it, whether they like it or not.
What I don't understand is people who give a toss about class in this day and age.

i honestly could't care less to be quite honest with ya, i didnt post on here to start an argument with ya, just to ask a question. but u didnt surprise me by turning it into one!!!

Aww! *hugs*

Its a highly controversial subject, class is. Some people think it still exists, others don't... and asking questions on a forum is bound to have someone attack it and nit pick at it, because some people have very strong opinions on these sorts of things. (not that its wrong to ask questions, ofcourse :))

Originally posted by Sidla
What I don't understand is people who give a toss about class in this day and age.

good point, n i cant say i have ever thought about it before today! but i guess it makes people like T020 feel better about themselves or something, wen they obviously dont have much else going for them

n thnx caprice, hug much appriciated! lol

What I don't understand is people who give a toss about class in this day and age.

Personally, I don't really care about class... I'm not going to put any airs and graces on for a poshie and I'm not going to show linguistic divergence to someone of lower class... I couldn't care less to be honest!

I'm not saying that class divisions don't still exist, because they do. I don't think they are as obvious in todays society, thats all :)

Originally posted by Sidla
What I don't understand is people who give a toss about class in this day and age.

They obviously do - enough to create a whole thread about it.

Originally posted by SatanInHeels
good point, n i cant say i have ever thought about it before today! but i guess it makes people like T020 feel better about themselves or something, wen they obviously dont have much else going for them

n thnx caprice, hug much appriciated! lol

I didn't bring it up, and I have plenty going for me thanks.

Can we all get back on topic please!

I dunno about Naff house names, but if I lived in a cottage in cornwall somewhere id certainly name it :thumbsup: something like "Sea View" if it was by the sea or "Kernow Cottage", id love one called "Rock Cottage" in a Ten Benson tenuous link :lol:

Originally posted by t020
My dad is a manager, not a builder. A very subtle difference........

It makes no difference. You do not live your fathers life. Even if he WAS by some official definition 'middle classs', that does not make you so. Is your father so far up himself? I expect not.

I know of MANY people who are VERY wealthy and they find that they don't need to beef themselves up with a label because they are comfortable with who they are.

That's how it works in the real world (ie where we work, not go to college) - the more you have less you need to shout.

There was a chap who dies a few years ago - Victor Waddington. He was the elder of a family that had run the regions canals for 200 years, and they owned massive amounts of land around them. He was a seriously wealthy man. He had no class however, and choose to work 70 hours a week until he died at 90.

T020, you shouldn't worry about class so much either, because you just don't have any.

Ho ho ho. But class is inherited anyway, or at least it is a significant contributing factor. Also, I'm not "worried" about it - DB said I was working class, which I had to dispute because I'm not. Simple.

DB said I was working class, which I had to dispute because I'm not. Simple.

May I remind you that this is an internet forum. We don't know you, you don't know us. So why is it so important to you that we know your middle class? Why is it such an issue to you anyway? Surely any genuine middle class person would be far too snooty to get into such petty class arguments in the first place.

Originally posted by caprice
May I remind you that this is an internet forum. We don't know you, you don't know us. So why is it so important to you that we know your middle class? Why is it such an issue to you anyway? Surely any genuine middle class person would be far too snooty to get into such petty class arguments in the first place.

I don't know. Things just bother me that aren't stated correctly, e.g. where Ecclesall Rd is. Thats just me, I'm a bit of a perfectionist and hate it when things aren't 'just so'.

"Le Corbusier"
...
on a Victorian Terrace in Hull.

Since when haves trades been unskilled jobs? Let's see you build a house, wire it up, install plumbing and make some nice wood furniture to go in it then t020.

Originally posted by fnkysknky
Since when haves trades been unskilled jobs? Let's see you build a house, wire it up, install plumbing and make some nice wood furniture to go in it then t020.


I'm actually fantastic at DIY. :D

Originally posted by t020
I'm actually fantastic at DIY. :D

There's one hell of a difference between DIY and building a house.

Hardly dare bring this one up again lest it turn back into a class war but Sheffield Forum got a mention on radio Sheffield yesterday from Toby. And please note Toby I am not granny Mo :D :D we are two different people.

Originally posted by t020
I'm actually fantastic at DIY. :D

There's a joke in that there statement for those with dirty minds :cool:

Originally posted by fnkysknky
There's one hell of a difference between DIY and building a house.

I don't think that he was referring to DIY in the context of household maintainance :P