Hello,

Trams dont always run to a timetable, does anyone think it would be of benefit to have signs like london underground saying when the next 3-4 are due?

And what is happening to the tram extension?

Regs
Bookey

definatly, like the ones the buses use near the peace gardens, they are really useful! :D

It'd be great if they did have those signs - would save standing there like a lemon when the trams aren't running and they have a replacement bus service etc

they should have them on the buses as well!!

So how do we get Stagecoach / SYPTE to listen?

:confused:

maybe go to http://www.supertram.com/index.html and send a suggestion to them ???

i did and this is the reply i got.

Thank you for your email.

Real time tramstop displays are a very good idea.We are along with the
Passenger Transport Executive trying to get funding for such schemes.

N Wragg
Passenger Services.

Originally posted by Bookey
Hello,

Trams dont always run to a timetable, does anyone think it would be of benefit to have signs like london underground saying when the next 3-4 are due?

And what is happening to the tram extension?

Regs
Bookey

The tram stops's in the centre of Manchester have them but this is Sheffield.

S.Y.P.T.E doing something useful dont make me laugh:D

Don't see much point. I stand at the stop until the tram comes - having a sign telling me when it's due isn't going to make it any quicker.

Its about information - Stood at Cathedral you could get the bus or tram to uni. (for example)

Both run frequent but neither has any information on where the hell it currently is and how far away (time frame)

People (well me!) dont like to feel stupid stood at a tram/bus stop for 20 mins because you have just missed one. People like to know whats going on and when.

Originally posted by Bookey
[B]Its about information - Stood at Cathedral you could get the bus or tram to uni. (for example)

Both run frequent but neither has any information on where the hell it currently is and how far away (time frame)



Welcome to Sheffield :mad:

Maybe getting the ones already installed in some bus stops to work properly would be a good start :)

Originally posted by fnkysknky
Maybe getting the ones already installed in some bus stops to work properly would be a good start :)

:D Ha-Ha

Now thats a good idea:thumbsup:

But how long it will take S.Y.P.T.E to work that out is in the lap of the gods:D

How about getting the information by text message.
That way - you pay for it, and the costs are less to the tram/bus companies.

Originally posted by rarstar
How about getting the information by text message.
That way - you pay for it, and the costs are less to the tram/bus companies.

That would be a Good Idea:thumbsup:

I have that service already on my WAP phone from Network Rail,

All you have to do is type in the station name and the system will tell you info on the next train/trains for the next 30 mins:D

Setting up an SMS server is not really cost effective unless SYPTE know that they will get x number of requests.

If they are reading this and want to even consider it, drop me a line (see profile):rolleyes:

Ive heard on the grapevine that Supertram are in the process of fitting " Real Time Infomation " displays at some of the tram stops

Its about information - Stood at Cathedral you could get the bus or tram to uni. (for example)

Or the city bound platform of West Street - which doesn't even have a timetable.

How about getting the information by text message.
That way - you pay for it, and the costs are less to the tram/bus companies.

Wrong, the trams / buses still have to be fitted with the same gear to indentify their position , direction, and service number.
This cost quite rightly is met by the pte and is passed on to the travelling public through their council tax.
All members of the public abviously apreciate this constructive use of our money and would like to encourage the pte to find even more high tech gadgets to play with in order to assist those members of the public who are unable to read a timetable. :huh:
I know, lets fit high tech ticket machines that can read electronic passes (sometimes) and pass the cost of these new machines on to the public as well. Oh ...... hang on.............:loopy:

Setting up an SMS server is not really cost effective unless SYPTE know that they will get x number of requests.

If they are reading this and want to even consider it, drop me a line (see profile):rolleyes:

there already is one

And what is happening to the tram extension?

Regs
Bookey

There isn't going to be one as things stand.

SYPTE bid to the Government for funding. They turned it down and said that they should look at bus based alternatives as they offer better value for money. That's why SYPTE are putting forward proposals for Bus Rapid Transit schmes.

You will find that text service is all ready up and running - Its called Your Next Bus

there already is one

You will find that text service is all ready up and running - Its called Your Next Bus

I love prompt responses in here. :hihi:

The question was asked 5 and a half years ago. :)

I love prompt responses in here. :hihi:

The question was asked 5 and a half years ago. :)

the average time to respond to a question on here is 7 years, so stop complaining!

Trams are more likely to run to time than the buses, also if you had the stop info on the trams it would be easier to manage as all the trams would be fitted with transpoders . The problem with the ones on the buses is if the bus running the service is not fitted or is missing then the stop just shows the time its due. If it gives a number of minites then the bus is fitted with a transpoder and it will arrive in the time shown. This causes a major problem of course when the system cant find a transpoder so just gives you the timetabled arrivaial time : on strike days it just gives the time it should arrive and doesnt tell you that the operator is on strike.

Just one thing most of supertrams delays are due to factors outside its control : traffic , parked cars etc.

I like the idea of these 'next tram due' displays. Always found them useful when Im in London - 'Cockfosters 4 mins' etc.

However, what would be displayed when the purples turn to yellows (Meadowhall bound) at Cathedral? At Castle Square (Cathedral bound) would the display say 'Cathedral Purple x mins' or 'Meadowhall Yellow x mins'?

As the tram technically terminates at Cathedral then it would say Cathedral then it would change to Meadowhall , so at castle sq when the tram goes up high st it would say Cathedral when it goes down it would say Meadowhall - other wise it would need to say Meadowhall via Cathedral on the up direction.

There isn't going to be one as things stand.

SYPTE bid to the Government for funding. They turned it down and said that they should look at bus based alternatives as they offer better value for money. That's why SYPTE are putting forward proposals for Bus Rapid Transit schmes.

I find it funny that after the goverment are going to dish out 1 billion quid on electrifying the train lines from London Paddington to Swansea and from Manchester to Liverpool and then turning around and saying its better and cheaper to run that this view is not rolled out for the trams

I find it funny that after the goverment are going to dish out 1 billion quid on electrifying the train lines from London Paddington to Swansea and from Manchester to Liverpool and then turning around and saying its better and cheaper to run that this view is not rolled out for the trams

The train lines don't need to be built, only upgraded. That could easily account for the difference in viability. (It might not do ... but it could.)

In nottingham they have real time time tables where each bus has a chip in them and then at the stop your at it shows you a digital map so you know where exactly the bus is. Ive always thought these would be great to have in sheffield. Before nayone tries and cracks a funny no the chips dont come with any sauces or burgers etc:hihi:

The train lines don't need to be built, only upgraded. That could easily account for the difference in viability. (It might not do ... but it could.)

But it would not be that much to run it along side railway lines or use old railway lines like they do in Manchester & Nottingham

In nottingham they have real time time tables where each bus has a chip in them and then at the stop your at it shows you a digital map so you know where exactly the bus is. Ive always thought these would be great to have in sheffield. Before nayone tries and cracks a funny no the chips dont come with any sauces or burgers etc:hihi:

It isn't a "chip" as such. These days most buses have ticket machines that are GPS enabled. It allows the operator to monitor journey times. The real time information displays use the GPS data to track where the bus is, so do Urban Traffic Control (UTC) systems ( in order to give buses which are behind schedule priority at traffic signals).

Ive heard on the grapevine that Supertram are in the process of fitting " Real Time Infomation " displays at some of the tram stops

If they can put such displays at some of the stations on the line to Barnsley ...

on a tram/traoin it tends to be on the actual vehicle as not all trams have conductors and it allows control room to know where the tram/train is and some systems even have a "bunching alarm" so if vehicles start to bunch control are highlighted to the problem and can take action

Waste of money. They're so regular and reliable (and possibly even more regular if the additional four are funded) is there really any need? I'd rather they dropped the fares than put in the infrastructure for this, frankly unnecessary, system.

passenger info displays are going to be tested soon on supertram, again all down to funding from SYPTE and a bit from Stagecoach.
Keep a look out around the city for one :)