Whenever i see wayne rooney on tv he is always trying to pick fights and getting carded why can he not behave on the pitch as he is a really good player when he stays calm and is an asset to england and man utd only last last night his temper boiled over again resulting in him being sent off .

Because he is a moron. If he was not a footballer he would either be out stealing cars, or if he had managed to get himself a fork lift truck driving certificate he would be out in his Ben Sherman shirt on a Friday night, starting fights and groping women!

Overpaid and overrated. Simple as that.

Yes, he's a good player; so was Gazza. The two are cut from the same cloth. Neither mentally stable enough for the game.

If Rooney wasn't a football player, I'm pretty sure where he would be right now.

Even then, Fergie would be his most loyal visitor, sat across the formica table telling him he'd done no wrong.

Too much money, too little sense of responsibility and a face that only a mother could love? :)

The guy needs to be given a little 'man to man' talk by someone who points out that, in the words of some very smart ancient Roman, 'All glory is fleeting'. The nicer he is now, the nicer the world will be to him a year after his career is finished and he's 'on the ropes'.

He has the potential, like Gascoigne, Beckham, Best, to be a great role model - with fame and media exposure comes responsibility. At the moment, he's failing the test by allowing selfish behaviour to run his life.

Joe

His main problem is he looks like "Shrek"

You're all being a tad harsh I fear (no, not a ManU or England fan) given last nights circumstances.

It was barely a foul, never mind a yellow card - then Rooney commits the heanous act of sarcasm by clapping the ref for it. Maybe the ref need to take a good look at himself if he's dishing out cards like that.

Yes Rooney is a hot head, yes he gets paid lots of money, yes he is still young - no need to all jump on the bandwagon every time a card comes out in his direction.

If Wayne Rooney had a braincell it would die of loneliness. Additionally, when God was handing out looks he thought he said 'books' and asked for a scary one.

I'm a Man Utd fan but am ashamed to have a player like Rooney on my team... I'd much rather they got rid of him. A player who reacts like that is not worth keeping for the sake of him being a good footballer.
It was quite obvious during the England game last week that he has no respect for authority.

Interestingly enough the 1st person he always reminds me of, is the yob Carroll who is always in the papers due to a lottery win! :suspect:

I think he was doing it, in a kind of " WAKE UP " kind of way.

He disagreed with the card so the clap coouldnt have been sarcastic. He is a liability. !!

I think he is a brilliant footballer but he so arrogant and see's the red mist when anyone has a go at him.

He believes he is untouchable and thats why he does what he does !!

Plain stupid, Needs to sort himself out, and Sir ALex might be the man needed for him !!

Originally posted by JonJParr
If Wayne Rooney had a braincell it would die of loneliness.

Just think how much money he could make if he HAD a braincell Jon. He might look like "Shrek" and be a scouser, But I bet he's not waiting until the end of the month to get paid so he can go to Tescos.

Originally posted by viking
But I bet he's not waiting until the end of the month to get paid so he can go to Tescos.

Most of us don't though and we're not stupid.

Originally posted by JonJParr
Most of us don't though and we're not stupid.

I wish i was 2 quid behind him :thumbsup:

I don't feel too jealous, after all doesn't Colleen (his girlfriend) spend it all before he gets to see it anyway?

Much the same with my missus now!! In fact... have I just cracked the reason he's always looking and acting pee'd off!? :o

Originally posted by Briano
I don't feel too jealous, after all doesn't Colleen (his girlfriend) spend it all before he gets to see it anyway?


True. I once saw an interview with Debbie McGee, and the question was asked: "So what first attracted you to MULTI-MILLIONAIRE Paul Daniels?.:heyhey:

Originally posted by Briano
I'm a Man Utd fan but am ashamed to have a player like Rooney on my team... I'd much rather they got rid of him. A player who reacts like that is not worth keeping for the sake of him being a good footballer.

He sarcastically clapped the ref – so what? He's a bit of a daft lad that's all, not the second coming of Ghengis Khan.

It's pretty clear from this thread that his real crime is coming from a pretty poor background... Still, with all the money he has in the bank I'm pretty certain who'll be having the last laugh!

Originally posted by Greenback
He sarcastically clapped the ref – so what? He's a bit of a daft lad that's all, not the second coming of Ghengis Khan.

It's pretty clear from this thread that his real crime is coming from a pretty poor background... Still, with all the money he has in the bank I'm pretty certain who'll be having the last laugh!

Life isn't about how much money you can make, at least not from my point of view.
Also, it's not just sarcastic clapping is it! He's dangerous when he loses control, he does stupid tackles that could seriously injure someone someday.

There are also plenty of footballers and non footballers who have come from poor backgrounds but who have also learnt how to keep their tempers under control.
Or is it a case of he has so much money therefore he can get away with more? :suspect:

Wayne rooney what's his problem ?

Manchester United, Keane and Fergie.

Originally posted by Briano

Also, it's not just sarcastic clapping is it!

Yes, it is. He did no wrong last night, didnt break anyones legs, didnt chase anyone 50 yrds to have a swipe at them. He made a tackle which the opposing player milked, and unjustly got carded for it. Then sarcasticly clapped the ref for getting it wrong, so got carded again. The ref should have been sent off!

Yes, he has a rep - but dont jump on the mock offended bus when he gets sent off for NO REASON. Moan when he is actually being a moron, not when he's playing fair.

Some fan you are, how much are the salmon sandwiches these days?

He disagreed with the card so the clap coouldnt have been sarcastic.

Go on, explain that one Einstein. You can only be sarcastic if you agree with someone?

An interesting theory, wish I'd thought of it

Originally posted by floyd77
but dont jump on the mock offended bus when he gets sent off for NO REASON. Moan when he is actually being a moron, not when he's playing fair.

Some fan you are, how much are the salmon sandwiches these days?


No reason!? I'm not criticising the tackle but his actions afterwards were not 'no reason', they WERE the actions of a 'moron'. The ref is there for a reason, wether he be doing a good or bad job. I distinctly believe players should start looking at themselves when things go wrong - not blaming the ref. Rooney is a perfect example because ever time he loses his temper he goes way too far...

As for me being 'some fan'. I've supported Man U since I was young enought to know how to kick a ball... what I don't support is a player who lacks the basic respecting skills required to spend 90mins on a pitch without being booked or sent off for stupidity.

You, however, are currently coming across as someone who would support a team even if all the players decided to jump the ref mid-match, and then you would defend them for it!! :loopy:

his actions afterwards?

Did he chase the ref shouting and screaming, as your team is so famous for? No

Was he violent? No

Did he lose his temper? No

His crime? The vicious application of the lesser known deadly, sarcastic handclap.

You, however, are currently coming across as someone who would support a team even if all the players decided to jump the ref mid-match

Youre the ManU fan.

Originally posted by Greenback
It's pretty clear from this thread that his real crime is coming from a pretty poor background... Still, with all the money he has in the bank I'm pretty certain who'll be having the last laugh!

Na, I don't think it's got owt to do with his background. His crime is being an idiot and a hot head. And also rather unfortunate looking!!!! :gag:

I think it's true to say that if he wasn't playing football then he'd probably be out nicking cars and having brawls in pub carparks.

But if he had a posh upbringing and couldn't play football he'd probably still end up washed up. He'd be a corrupt Tory MP exposed for accounts fiddling or screwing his secretary!!!

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

So he's hot tempered... so what?
He makes the game a hell of a lot more interesting I reckon.

I'm not a ManU fan either, but I think he's a great footballer.
OK he's not a great role model but he's not a role model, he's a footballer with passion for the game.

He takes no **** and he expects his team to play as hard as he does. Is that so bad? When has he actually fought with someone?

Leave him alone and let him play his game!

Originally posted by DaBouncer
He takes no **** and he expects his team to play as hard as he does. Is that so bad? When has he actually fought with someone?

Leave him alone and let him play his game!

A voice of reason at last! Funny how its the non ManU fans sticking up for him.

Originally posted by DaBouncer
So he's hot tempered... so what?
He makes the game a hell of a lot more interesting I reckon.

I'm not a ManU fan either, but I think he's a great footballer.
OK he's not a great role model but he's not a role model, he's a footballer with passion for the game.

He takes no **** and he expects his team to play as hard as he does. Is that so bad? When has he actually fought with someone?

Leave him alone and let him play his game!

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the game of football (well, I am a woman after all)???

But I thought it was helpful for players to stay ON THE PITCH???

How can this bloke be an asset to his team when he's being sent off for angry behaviour? And how can he be passionate about his sport if he's more interested at showing his contempt for the ref than playing the game???

I'm really gonna open a can of whoop ass on this thread- because this is a topic that really makes me see red.

For a start, Rooney is the main man who can win England things- remember that before you all start pouring **** on him.

Frank Lampard, Steven Gerrard, Michael Owen and Becks wont win us the world cup- Rooney will.. so before you all make yourself look like complete arses- shut up now.. because I know and you know, you will be cheering Rooney on mentally in the world cup.

You will be looking for Rooney to win the matches for england.
Dont Deny it.

Yes- Rooney does go mental from time to time... AND!
So does beckham- Vieira Keane .. what do they all have in common- they are world class footballing genius.
So the kid has a hot temper- I wouldnt take that away from him- its a part of who he is.

And this is for the supposed Man Utd fans on the board-
**** off to chelsea if you cannot support Rooney.
To say you are disgusted with our best player- you need your heads looking at.. you really do need to look at yourselves in a mirror and ask yourselves if you are true man utd fans.
You are the type of fans- who were getting on RVN's back last season and on gigg's back before that- I really do despise you- clear off to chelski if you dont like it.

Originally posted by JBee
Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the game of football (well, I am a woman after all)???

But I thought it was helpful for players to stay ON THE PITCH???

How can this bloke be an asset to his team when he's being sent off for angry behaviour? And how can he be passionate about his sport if he's more interested at showing his contempt for the ref than playing the game???
You're right... maybe it is because you're a woman.
Ask yourself why he got sent off? Because he got hot headed. Why did he get hot headed? Because his team mates weren't giving it as much as him!

Comprende?

Originally posted by floyd77
His crime? The vicious application of the lesser known deadly, sarcastic handclap.

Youre the ManU fan.

So you're in favour of players getting away with showing no respect to an authoritarian figure.. says a lot about you floyd77!
It's actions like Rooney's that undermine the game and bring it down a level. Even a woman (sorry JBee lol ;) ) can understand it's better for players to stay on the pitch!

I'd much rather have Briano supporting my team than such as many of you on this thread, it's the team you support, not the individual player!... And you mark my words, if Rooney plays every England match next summer - he'll be sent off before the end of the tournament. :rant:

Originally posted by DaBouncer
You're right... maybe it is because you're a woman.
Ask yourself why he got sent off? Because he got hot headed. Why did he get hot headed? Because his team mates weren't giving it as much as him!

Comprende?

Oh, that's a good reason for being sent off... so every time part of a team plays crap - the other half of the team should get themselves sent in protest by losing their tempers... :loopy:


(P.S Thanks 1000000000, lol the username)

Originally posted by 1000000000
So you're in favour of players getting away with showing no respect to an authoritarian figure.. says a lot about you floyd77!
It's actions like Rooney's that undermine the game and bring it down a level. Even a woman (sorry JBee lol ;) ) can understand it's better for players to stay on the pitch!

I'd much rather have Briano supporting my team than such as many of you on this thread, it's the team you support, not the individual player!... And you mark my words, if Rooney plays every England match next summer - he'll be sent off before the end of the tournament. :rant:
And with it England will lose.
Actually how many times HAS rooney been sent off during England games? ;)

People need to get their priorities right me feels.

Originally posted by Briano
Oh, that's a good reason for being sent off... so every time part of a team plays crap - the other half of the team should get themselves sent in protest by losing their tempers... :loopy:


(P.S Thanks 1000000000, lol the username)
There's never a good reason for being sent off... please show me where I implied there was :loopy:
I was stating the reason, an understandable reason for being sent off. It's hardly like he went over and slapped the ref now is it?

Come on FFS his crime is clapping sarcastically... big ****ing deal!

Originally posted by ANGELUS

For a start, Rooney is the main man who can win England things- remember that before you all start pouring **** on him.




Says who?

If anyone is going to win the world cup for is its the whole team, and it doesnt take one player. England are not a one man team.

Originally posted by spyro2000
Says who?

If anyone is going to win the world cup for is its the whole team, and it doesnt take one player. England are not a one man team.

Load of crap!

For a start it was rooney keeping us alive in the european championships last time.. soon as he was injured we went out.. surprise surprise.

Its all about Rooney- he's the one player we have who can turn a game like Zidane can.

Originally posted by ANGELUS
Load of crap!

For a start it was rooney keeping us alive in the european championships last time.. soon as he was injured we went out.. surprise surprise.

Its all about Rooney- he's the one player we have who can turn a game like Zidane can.

Not under Sven he won't.... but then that's another topic entirely! ;)

Originally posted by ANGELUS
Load of crap!

For a start it was rooney keeping us alive in the european championships last time.. soon as he was injured we went out.. surprise surprise.

Its all about Rooney- he's the one player we have who can turn a game like Zidane can.

Im not saying Rooney cant turn a game, because he cleary can, but hes not the only one that can.


If you are right and we have to rely on one single player, then we really are in deep trouble indeed and have no chance of winning the World Cup :(

Originally posted by DaBouncer
You're right... maybe it is because you're a woman.
Ask yourself why he got sent off? Because he got hot headed. Why did he get hot headed? Because his team mates weren't giving it as much as him!

Comprende?

Don't patronise me DaBouncer, it doesn't speak well of you. And I think you'll find that a lot of blokes on this thread have agreed with me.

Thuggish behaviour can never be justified. Yes, he's a good player. But he's more likely to let his team down by with his temper than do them any good.

And IF that mouldy swede that is Sven actually manages to get us to the World Cup next year, then I suspect that Rooney will be sent off for bad behaviour before he has the chance to bring glory to his country.

Originally posted by spyro2000
Im not saying Rooney cant turn a game, because he cleary can, but hes not the only one that can.

Name me someone else who can do the same as rooney in the england team then?

If you are right and we have to rely on one single player, then we really are in deep trouble indeed and have no chance of winning the World Cup :(

We are NEVER going to win the world cup.. we are never ever good enough now- our best chance is next year with the 'supposed' superstars we have at our disposal.. Brazil to win the cup again.

Originally posted by ANGELUS
We are NEVER going to win the world cup.. we are never ever good enough now- our best chance is next year with the 'supposed' superstars we have at our disposal.. Brazil to win the cup again.

If you don't believe we will ever win the world cup, your arguement about cheering Rooney on because he can win it for us kind of falls down.

I think he does this kind of thing too much, and that is why people get on his back.

Great talent. Poor footballer.

Originally posted by Briano
Life isn't about how much money you can make, at least not from my point of view.
Also, it's not just sarcastic clapping is it! He's dangerous when he loses control, he does stupid tackles that could seriously injure someone someday.

There are also plenty of footballers and non footballers who have come from poor backgrounds but who have also learnt how to keep their tempers under control.
Or is it a case of he has so much money therefore he can get away with more? :suspect:

I presume from the above that you would have got rid of Roy Keane years ago?

Anyway, you're swimming against the tide when it comes to your fellow Manchester United fans. Rooney has been a fantastic signing for you.

As for your last point, there are lots of footballers from poor backgrounds, sure. In fact I'm sure that lots of them are far more badly behaved than Rooney is - only we don't hear about it, because they're nowhere near as good as he is, and aren't anything like as newsworthy. (It's worth pointing out that he's only ever been sent off twice in his career, by the way.)

Rooney's aggression is part of his game, and without it he'd be nothing – I wish, like Angelus, that the same people who cheered him on in Euro 2004 would stop being hysterical about the kid. Just leave him be...

Originally posted by JBee
Don't patronise me DaBouncer, it doesn't speak well of you. And I think you'll find that a lot of blokes on this thread have agreed with me.

Thuggish behaviour can never be justified. Yes, he's a good player. But he's more likely to let his team down by with his temper than do them any good.

And IF that mouldy swede that is Sven actually manages to get us to the World Cup next year, then I suspect that Rooney will be sent off for bad behaviour before he has the chance to bring glory to his country.
A lot? A read one... and that comment was also aimed at the fact you're a woman.

I wasn't patronising you sweetheart, I was merely agreeing with your statement. You brought it on yourself I'm afraid.

Thuggish behaviour... where was the thuggish behaviour? Did you watch the match? Clapping at a ref sarcastically is thuggish up in Bonny Scotland is it? Gimme a break :lol:

He's a hot head... fair enough. But you should know it's that fire in him that makes him play so well. Take that away and what have you got? Maybe if all the team played with his spirit England would win more matches.

And please, since you're so up on the subject... enlighten me as to how many times Rooney has been sent off while playing for England due to his temper? :roll:

Originally posted by liencam
Great talent. Poor footballer.

"Poor footballer"? Do you watch football at all?

Originally posted by ANGELUS
Name me someone else who can do the same as rooney in the england team then?

We are NEVER going to win the world cup.. we are never ever good enough now- our best chance is next year with the 'supposed' superstars we have at our disposal.. Brazil to win the cup again.

Half the England team could turn a match if the team spirit and organization was there. Beckham, Gerard, Lampard, Joe Cole etc.
The problem is with the manager, we need to get rid and quick. Get someone in with an ounce of personality and individualism, someone who'll be prepared to pick the team for the teams sake and not just because they're big names.

With Sven we have no chance of winning next year, it really is that simple. And this also equates to Rooney losing his head more often through being played out of position... however a really great player would be able to use this rage and turn it into being a fantastic player. Look at Beckham after 'that' world cup blunder...

Originally posted by floyd77
Maybe the ref need to take a good look at himself if he's dishing out cards like that.

WRONG.

Dissent is a yellow card offence. If the ref had chosen not to book him for it, he would have been ripped apart by his assesor and, in turn, Uefa. The Ref did his job as he is supposed to by sending him off.

Originally posted by Greenback
"Poor footballer"? Do you watch football at all?

Plenty thanks.

I believe he is a poor footballer because he doesn't behave (on the pitch) in a way that best utilises his limitless talents.

If he played in the same way as Mark Hughes did, with a controlled agression, he could truly be called the greatest footballer in the world.

Originally posted by liencam
If he played in the same way as Mark Hughes did, with a controlled agression, he could truly be called the greatest footballer in the world.

So, to be the greatest footballer in the world Wayne Rooney needs to start playing like Mark Hughes? Hmm, are you Sven in disguise? ;)

Originally posted by Greenback
So, to be the greatest footballer in the world Wayne Rooney needs to start playing like Mark Hughes? Hmm, are you Sven in disguise? ;)

You know what I mean. The qualification was clear.

:)

Originally posted by DaBouncer
A lot? A read one... and that comment was also aimed at the fact you're a woman.


So you reckon that only ONE bloke has spoke out against Wayne Rooney one this thread or echoed my setiments, which in turn echo many earlier posts???

Are you blind????

10000000's reference to the fact that I am a lady was in jest, hence he wrote lol (which means 'laugh out loud' - just in case you're don't know). You just seem to be relishing the opportunity to be a chauvanist.

And don't call me sweetheart. Are you enjoying acting like a pig?

Originally posted by JBee
So you reckon that only ONE bloke has spoke out against Wayne Rooney one this thread or echoed my setiments, which in turn echo many earlier posts???

Are you blind????

And don't call me sweetheart. Are you enjoying acting like a pig?
Listen darlin', there's no need to take such offence at a few little posts.

No I'm not blind, but you seem to be missing the point entirely.
And you don't seem to enjoy answering questions.

Did you watch the game? Do you HONESTLY think on any level that him being sent off was justified because of a sarcastic clap?

How many times has rooney been sent off while playing for england? :lol:

Bless!

Originally posted by DaBouncer
Listen darlin', there's no need to take such offence at a few little posts.

No I'm not blind, but you seem to be missing the point entirely.
And you don't seem to enjoy answering questions.

Did you watch the game? Do you HONESTLY think on any level that him being sent off was justified because of a sarcastic clap?

How many times has rooney been sent off while playing for england? :lol:

Bless!

I'll take that as a yes. You are enjoying being a pig. Relishing it even. I find that really tragic, but I'm not going to let you bully me or intimidate me off this thread.

Yes, I watched the game last night.

No, I don't think the ref was justified for sending him off for clapping his hands. But Rooney should have had the intelligence to see it coming. He was the same ref that gave Beckham a red card for lashing out, so his dislike for angry behaviour is well known to the players. In a game where all the refs are individuals and can get over-excited, just like the players, Rooney should have elected not to make that gesture if he wanted to stay on the pitch. He showed disrespect for authority and was punished harshly for it. But he still showed disrespect. He could have chosen to walk away.

Finally, to my knowledge, Rooney has never been sent off during an England match. But with a World Cup looming, I don't fancy his chances of staying on the pitch in Germany if he doesn't learn from last night's incident and modify his behaviour.

Originally posted by DaBouncer
Thuggish behaviour... where was the thuggish behaviour? Did you watch the match? Clapping at a ref sarcastically is thuggish up in Bonny Scotland is it? Gimme a break

It hardly matters what you think is 'thuggish' behaviour Dabouncer, the fact is, it was wrong.

I don't know you but if you have/had a kid, would you not be bothered if your kid clapped sarcastically in front of a teachers face in school when being told off for doing somthing wrong!?

Well, that's where it all starts... 'let's copy Rooney, he's a fantastic footballer, everyone says so'...

Originally posted by Greenback
"Poor footballer"? Do you watch football at all?

My thoughts exactly greenback.

I despair sometimes at the quality of our 'fans' in this country I really do.

Rooney is the BEST YOUNG PLAYER IN THE WORLD.
Thats - THE BEST! - if you didnt hear me the first time people.

Lay off the kid everyone.

Originally posted by ANGELUS
My thoughts exactly greenback.

Rooney is the BEST YOUNG PLAYER IN THE WORLD.
Thats - THE BEST! - if you didnt hear me the first time people.




hahaha, I wish there was a'lmao' smilie, thats the funniest thing ive heard today.

Originally posted by DaBouncer
Listen darlin', there's no need to take such offence at a few little posts.

No I'm not blind, but you seem to be missing the point entirely.
And you don't seem to enjoy answering questions.

Did you watch the game? Do you HONESTLY think on any level that him being sent off was justified because of a sarcastic clap?

How many times has rooney been sent off while playing for england? :lol:

Bless!

Dont be having a go at Jbee mate- she'll have you!! LOL!
:thumbsup:

I like that fact that lasses have an opinion about football- I wish more ladies would in fact!

Well done to Jbee I say- good on you gal :)

Originally posted by ANGELUS
My thoughts exactly greenback.

I despair sometimes at the quality of our 'fans' in this country I really do.

Rooney is the BEST YOUNG PLAYER IN THE WORLD.
Thats - THE BEST! - if you didnt hear me the first time people.

Lay off the kid everyone.

Errr, no he isn't!

Don't get me wrong he is a fantastic footballer, but he's got a lot to learn before he becomes the best young player in the world...

And after all, this is all just opinions... :thumbsup:

Originally posted by spyro2000
hahaha, I wish there was a'lmao' smilie, thats the funniest thing ive heard today.

I'm going to love reading the reply to this then..

In your humble opinion- who is better than Rooney then as best young player in the world?

Originally posted by 1000000000
Errr, no he isn't!

Don't get me wrong he is a fantastic footballer, but he's got a lot to learn before he becomes the best young player in the world...

And after all, this is all just opinions... :thumbsup:

FFS! He was voted worlds best young talent - by FIFA.
How much more help can I give you.

C.Ronaldo came 2nd by the way as well :)
He is the best young talent in the world..

If you all want to prove me wrong- name me a better young player then? I really think you will fail- I really do!

Originally posted by ANGELUS
Dont be having a go at Jbee mate- she'll have you!! LOL!
:thumbsup:

I like that fact that lasses have an opinion about football- I wish more ladies would in fact!

Well done to Jbee I say- good on you gal :)

Thanks Angelus. Your support is much appreciated and I will remember it. :thumbsup:

Originally posted by JBee
I'll take that as a yes. You are enjoying being a pig. Relishing it even. I find that really tragic, but I'm not going to let you bully me or intimidate me off this thread.

Yes, I watched the game last night.

No, I don't think the ref was justified for sending him off for clapping his hands. But Rooney should have had the intelligence to see it coming. He was the same ref that gave Beckham a red card for lashing out, so his dislike for angry behaviour is well known to the players. In a game where all the refs are individuals and can get over-excited, just like the players, Rooney should have elected not to make that gesture if he wanted to stay on the pitch. He showed disrespect for authority and was punished harshly for it. But he still showed disrespect. He could have chosen to walk away.

Finally, to my knowledge, Rooney has never been sent off during an England match. But with a World Cup looming, I don't fancy his chances of staying on the pitch in Germany if he doesn't learn from last night's incident and modify his behaviour.
Okay sweetpants let me just point out I'm in no way wanting to bully you off anything, I respect your opinion even thought I don't agree with it... can you say the same.

I'm glad you at least you agree it was OTT of the ref, thank you!
Fair enough Rooney could have walked away, but he didn't and that's his decision.
I personally think Rooney was justified in his actions, but hey that's just our difference of opinion.

I can agree to disagree, can you.
FACT, you'll not change rooney for what he is. I personally think that's a wonderful trate and long may it continue.

FACT, like it or not Rooney is our best chance of winning the world cup. Yes it's a team effort, shame most of the team dont put forth the effort aint it.

FACT Rooney loves football, is passionate about it and will make damn sure he doesn't get sent off. And if he does and it was justified, I for one defend him to the hilt as I would any player who has the courage of his convictions.

Briano, no I have no kids but if I did and my kid did that to a teacher because the teacher was being a little hitler like the ref then I'd would accept it. However it would depend on the situation, because I don't personally like to see kids disrespecting their elders... so it's a tough call.

However another fact is Rooney isn't a child in school, he's a professional football player who demands results and pays for his passionate outbursts by being sent off for a very poor reason.

Originally posted by ANGELUS
FFS! He was voted worlds best young talent - by FIFA.

C.Ronaldo came 2nd by the way as well :)
He is the best young talent in the world..

Don't think I'll need to, it seems you're doing a good enough job of confusing yourself as it is! :heyhey:

Originally posted by ANGELUS
I'm going to love reading the reply to this then..

In your humble opinion- who is better than Rooney then as best young player in the world?


ok, 1st of all - What age are you classing as young?

2nd of all, since when have you seen EVERY young player in the world to be able to make the judgement that Rooney is the best one?

Originally posted by 1000000000
Don't think I'll need to, it seems you're doing a good enough job of confusing yourself as it is! :heyhey:

Surprise surprise- so you would say that Rooney is the best then?
Since you cant give me a name as to who is better?
Check and mate I think matey :thumbsup:

Originally posted by spyro2000
ok, 1st of all - What age are you classing as young?

2nd of all, since when have you seen EVERY young player in the world to be able to make the judgement that Rooney is the best one?

The age range of 18-24 I'd say.

2nd- since he has been voted as The Worlds best young player no less by FIFA- (I think they know more about football than you and I really)

I think mine is the opinion we will be going with on here dont you?

Originally posted by DaBouncer
being sent off for a very poor reason.

Dissent is a yellow card offence, simple as. The ref was doing his job... why should he take that kind of behaviour? Would you? :loopy:

Originally posted by ANGELUS
The age range of 18-24 I'd say.

2nd- since he has been voted as The Worlds best young player no less by FIFA- (I think they know more about football than you and I really)

I think mine is the opinion we will be going with on here dont you?

18-24 ay?

Well Samuel Etoo is by far a much better player than Rooney is or ever will be imo. And I can name more if you like.

Originally posted by Briano
Dissent is a yellow card offence, simple as. The ref was doing his job... why should he take that kind of behaviour? Would you? :loopy:
He doesn't need to take that behaviour, but it was OTT.
The ref made bad calls, so Rooney sarcastically clapped at him.

The ref dint get sent off, though he should have.
If you dont like my opinion... well ... tough!

Originally posted by DaBouncer
He doesn't need to take that behaviour, but it was OTT.
The ref made bad calls, so Rooney sarcastically clapped at him.

The ref dint get sent off, though he should have.
If you dont like my opinion... well ... tough!

Vice versa... I think we'll be agreeing to disagreeing on this one then! :thumbsup:

Originally posted by Briano
Vice versa... I think we'll be agreeing to disagreeing on this one then! :thumbsup:
A voice of reason ;)

Originally posted by DaBouncer
He doesn't need to take that behaviour, but it was OTT.
The ref made bad calls, so Rooney sarcastically clapped at him.

The ref dint get sent off, though he should have.
If you dont like my opinion... well ... tough!

Well DaBouncer, I didnt want to get in to this particular debate as Ive already got my own one running in this thread :heyhey: but...

Is Dissent a yellow card offence. Yes or no?

Originally posted by spyro2000
18-24 ay?

Well Samuel Etoo is by far a much better player than Rooney is or ever will be imo. And I can name more if you like.

Are you taking the **** now?
Or just trying to wind me up like?

You are saying that Samuel Et'o is a better player than Rooney?

Well I have to give you a big pat on the back for making me nearly **** myself when I read that statement- do you know absolutely anything about world football? Please carry on naming names.
Let me get a bucket though first eh!

:thumbsup:

Originally posted by spyro2000
Well DaBouncer, I didnt want to get in to this particular debate as Ive already got my own one running in this thread :heyhey: but...

Is Dissent a yellow card offence. Yes or no?
It all depends on circumstances, but "officially" I'd have to say yes :mad:

Maybe referee's need to be more consistent, had cullinas been refereeing the game rooney might have thought twice, as he'd know cullinas will not stand for petulance.
When you see players crowding and shouting at refs in league games, and largely getting away with it, it's no wonder they over step the boundaries so often with less tolerant referees.

Originally posted by ANGELUS
My thoughts exactly greenback.

I despair sometimes at the quality of our 'fans' in this country I really do.

Rooney is the BEST YOUNG PLAYER IN THE WORLD.
Thats - THE BEST! - if you didnt hear me the first time people.

Lay off the kid everyone.

Mate, I don't want to fall out with you over this, but I do think your red tinted glasses are skewing your view on this. Not one person on this thread has questioned Rooney's ability, yet you seem intent on reminding us all of his talent.

If you look at my response to Greenback, and then disagree with me, we will carry on the discussion.

:thumbsup:

Originally posted by ANGELUS
Are you taking the **** now?
Or just trying to wind me up like?

You are saying that Samuel Et'o is a better player than Rooney?

Well I have to give you a big pat on the back for making me nearly **** myself when I read that statement- do you know absolutely anything about world football? Please carry on naming names.
Let me get a bucket though first eh!

:thumbsup:

Robinho.

Now can we get back to the issue of Rooney's attitude, and not the question of his ability.

Originally posted by ANGELUS
The age range of 18-24 I'd say.

2nd- since he has been voted as The Worlds best young player no less by FIFA- (I think they know more about football than you and I really)

I think mine is the opinion we will be going with on here dont you?

One more thing (LOL!).

Would this be the same Fifa who bottled it when naming the best payer in the world ever by giving both Pele and Marradona their own award?

Originally posted by liencam
Robinho.

Now can we get back to the issue of Rooney's attitude, and not the question of his ability.

Yep ill go with Robinho too.

And yes Angelus I do know about World football, it is clearly you who does not know much about world football. Both Robinho and Etoo are better players than Rooney. Have you not seen Etoo's record? it speaks volumes.

Originally posted by DaBouncer
It all depends on circumstances, but "officially" I'd have to say yes :mad:

lol

There you go then ;)

Originally posted by liencam
Mate, I don't want to fall out with you over this, but I do think your red tinted glasses are skewing your view on this. Not one person on this thread has questioned Rooney's ability, yet you seem intent on reminding us all of his talent.

If you look at my response to Greenback, and then disagree with me, we will carry on the discussion.

:thumbsup:

I'm not falling out with you fella over this this :thumbsup: - but I think you are being very unfair to englands best player- lets put it that way :)

Originally posted by 40summat
Maybe referee's need to be more consistent, had cullinas been refereeing the game rooney might have thought twice, as he'd know cullinas will not stand for petulance.
When you see players crowding and shouting at refs in league games, and largely getting away with it, it's no wonder they over step the boundaries so often with less tolerant referees.
Not a blatant spelling jibe, but do you mean Collina - or someone I dont know about?
You make a good point there though, chasing and then screaming at the ref does go largely unpunished, so its concievable to think that Rooney would not think his clapping merited 'dissent', plus theres the issue of the ref CLEARLY being wrong with the original decision over the first foul - something that would surely send a hot head unable to control his temper wild! Rooney? A sarcastic clap.

Not beyond the realms of reason that he is starting to mature?

As for who's the best player, or who will win the world cup for England, they will always be opinions, everyone will need to agree to differ.

As a Scotsman though, I think David James is your best player and we have as much chance of winning it as you do:heyhey:

God Angelus - thats two threads now where we've been agreeing! Whats the world coming to!?!

Originally posted by DaBouncer
Okay sweetpants let me just point out I'm in no way wanting to bully you off anything, I respect your opinion even thought I don't agree with it... can you say the same.

I'm glad you at least you agree it was OTT of the ref, thank you!
Fair enough Rooney could have walked away, but he didn't and that's his decision.
I personally think Rooney was justified in his actions, but hey that's just our difference of opinion.

I can agree to disagree, can you.
FACT, you'll not change rooney for what he is. I personally think that's a wonderful trate and long may it continue.

FACT, like it or not Rooney is our best chance of winning the world cup. Yes it's a team effort, shame most of the team dont put forth the effort aint it.

FACT Rooney loves football, is passionate about it and will make damn sure he doesn't get sent off. And if he does and it was justified, I for one defend him to the hilt as I would any player who has the courage of his convictions.

Briano, no I have no kids but if I did and my kid did that to a teacher because the teacher was being a little hitler like the ref then I'd would accept it. However it would depend on the situation, because I don't personally like to see kids disrespecting their elders... so it's a tough call.

However another fact is Rooney isn't a child in school, he's a professional football player who demands results and pays for his passionate outbursts by being sent off for a very poor reason.

I have no problem agreeing to disagree, and I have no problem having a heated discussion - in fact, it's one of the reasons I come on this forum. I accept your opinions on Rooney are valid and you are able to back them up.

But I do wonder why I'm wasting my time trying to have an adult debate with someone who insists on trying to undermine the opposition with comments like 'sweetpants' and 'darlin'.

It's not big, it's not clever and it certainly isn't a sign of high intelligence.

I'd love to ask you why you're so afraid of having a discussion about football with a woman on a equal footing, that you feel you have to make these childish and sexist jibes.

But frankly, I can't be arsed, my work is piling up and I suspect I already know the answer.

I'm heading off to do a spot of work for a bit, but this isn't the last time you'll see me on football threads DaBouncer, so you'd better get used to it.

Originally posted by ANGELUS
I'm not falling out with you fella over this this :thumbsup: - but I think you are being very unfair to englands best player- lets put it that way :)

I haven't even mentioned Stevie G!!?? :D

If Rooney had took his lumps last night (with regards to the first yellow he was given) this thread wouldn't exist.

:thumbsup:

Originally posted by floyd77
Not a blatant spelling jibe, but do you mean Collina - or someone I dont know about?

Yes that's the geezer, lol,
I used him only as an example though as i thought he'd retired, or have i got that wrong?
he had/has respect from fans and players for being fair, although no ref could please everyone.

Originally posted by liencam
Robinho.

Now can we get back to the issue of Rooney's attitude, and not the question of his ability.

Robinho is decent- dont get me wrong.. Rooney is still FIFA World Young Player of the year though matey.. followed by Cristiano at number two.. I dont know the 3rd place one though.

Looking it up for you now.

So Rooney is still better than Robinho :)

To suggest Robinho's a better player than Rooney is very contentious. Robinho's yet to prove himself on the big stage, whereas Rooney has already illustrated his talents in Euro 2004, the Premiership and the Champions League to devastating effect.

Does anyone remember another Brazilian player called Denilson? He was going to be the best in the world too a few years ago. Now, his club Real Betis are desperately trying to get rid of him.

Eto'o is an excellent striker but I'd rate Rooney slightly higher because of his all-round vision.

Originally posted by floyd77
God Angelus - thats two threads now where we've been agreeing! Whats the world coming to!?!

I know- bloody hell eh :) LOL!
:thumbsup:

Originally posted by liencam
I haven't even mentioned Stevie G!!?? :D

If Rooney had took his lumps last night (with regards to the first yellow he was given) this thread wouldn't exist.

:thumbsup:

Please dont mate- Stevie G - come on now... LOL! :)
Dont lets fall out over summat you know I'm right about for a change :thumbsup:

Rooney should have known better against that arse of a referee last night though.

Originally posted by JBee
I have no problem agreeing to disagree, and I have no problem having a heated discussion - in fact, it's one of the reasons I come on this forum. I accept your opinions on Rooney are valid and you are able to back them up.

But I do wonder why I'm wasting my time trying to have an adult debate with someone who insists on trying to undermine the opposition with comments like 'sweetpants' and 'darlin'.

It's not big, it's not clever and it certainly isn't a sign of high intelligence.

I'd love to ask you why you're so afraid of having a discussion about football with a woman on a equal footing, that you feel you have to make these childish and sexist jibes.

But frankly, I can't be arsed, my work is piling up and I suspect I already know the answer.

I'm heading off to do a spot of work for a bit, but this isn't the last time you'll see me on football threads DaBouncer, so you'd better get used to it.

My word "tons of fun" no need to get all hormonal on me.
I have no problem with having a debate about football with a woman, in fact one of best mates is a blade fan like myself and knows a damn sight more than me on the football subject.

The whole sexist thing started with you making comments about your sexual status not me. You made the comment about the fact you'rwe a woman. I couldn't give a monkeys.

I'm happy for you to continue the football debate, even if your opinion differs with mine. It's a shame you can't realise and accept wayne rooney for what he is, a hot headed footballer with passion for the game that makes him sometimes get into hot water with the ref.

He is who he is, and long may it remain.

Enjoy your paperwork ;)

Originally posted by ANGELUS
Rooney should have known better against that arse of a referee last night though.

YES!!

THAT'S IT, CLOSE THE THREAD!!!

:hihi:

Originally posted by liencam
YES!!

THAT'S IT, CLOSE THE THREAD!!!

:hihi:

AGREED!! LOL :clap:

Originally posted by DaBouncer
It's a shame you can't realise and accept wayne rooney for what he is, a hot headed footballer with passion for the game that makes him sometimes get into hot water with the ref.

He is who he is, and long may it remain.


He's got a passion for other things as well eh!
And we all know what they are...

Brings a whole new meaning to the phrase granny grabbing - bless him :)

Originally posted by liencam
YES!!

THAT'S IT, CLOSE THE THREAD!!!

:hihi:

See we can agree on summat eh!
:)

Originally posted by JBee
I have no problem agreeing to disagree, and I have no problem having a heated discussion - in fact, it's one of the reasons I come on this forum. I accept your opinions on Rooney are valid and you are able to back them up.

But I do wonder why I'm wasting my time trying to have an adult debate with someone who insists on trying to undermine the opposition with comments like 'sweetpants' and 'darlin'.

It's not big, it's not clever and it certainly isn't a sign of high intelligence.

I'd love to ask you why you're so afraid of having a discussion about football with a woman on a equal footing, that you feel you have to make these childish and sexist jibes.

But frankly, I can't be arsed, my work is piling up and I suspect I already know the answer.

I'm heading off to do a spot of work for a bit, but this isn't the last time you'll see me on football threads DaBouncer, so you'd better get used to it.

Come back to the football chat soon JBee.. Its been nice having a female point of view for a change!

Originally posted by ANGELUS
Come back to the football chat soon JBee.. Its been nice having a female point of view for a change!
Kiss Ass ;)

Originally posted by ANGELUS
He's got a passion for other things as well eh!
And we all know what they are...

Brings a whole new meaning to the phrase granny grabbing - bless him :)

Sick sick puppy!!

I remember when we played the blues a few years ago, when he was still a true blue.

Someone had gotten hold of a picture of young Wayne enjoying his 16th bithday present off his dad.

let's just say his dad paid by the hour for that present....

Anyway, it was top stuff holding the pictures up to him when he was nearby.

Originally posted by DaBouncer
Kiss Ass ;)

LOL! Aww she's nice is JBee.. and she knows about football as well- perfect model for a lady in my eyes. :)

Originally posted by liencam
Sick sick puppy!!

I remember when we played the blues a few years ago, when he was still a true blue.

Someone had gotten hold of a picture of young Wayne enjoying his 16th bithday present off his dad.

let's just say his dad paid by the hour for that present....

Anyway, it was top stuff holding the pictures up to him when he was nearby.

Good old Wayne - he's got balls to admit it though aint he.. dont think even I could do that :)

JBee my little cherub ;)

Just to say if I offended you with my "oaf" like comments of such a 'sexist pig' then I offer a thousand apologies.

As stated to you via PM (and Angelus before it began) I was just playing forum wind up merchant on purpose to get a bite.
Well, fishing rod placed away, I apologise, no offence meant.

I look forward to locking horns with you in future on another football thread.. and hey, next time I might let you be right ;) :lol:

All the best :clap: :clap:

Originally posted by ANGELUS
Good old Wayne - he's got balls to admit it though aint he.. dont think even I could do that :)

He didn't really have a choice that day....

:D

Originally posted by DaBouncer
JBee my little cherub ;)

Just to say if I offended you with my "oaf" like comments of such a 'sexist pig' then I offer a thousand apologies.

As stated to you via PM (and Angelus before it began) I was just playing forum wind up merchant on purpose to get a bite.
Well, fishing rod placed away, I apologise, no offence meant.

I look forward to locking horns with you in future on another football thread.. and hey, next time I might let you be right ;) :lol:

All the best :clap: :clap:

Appology accepted xxx

Wayne Rooney - What's his problem?

I think he's another Gazza in the making - although I really hope I'm wrong about that.

Highly gifted, wonderfully-talented player who has absolutely no self-discipline at all and who refuses to accept discipline from anyone else.

Such a talent, such a potential waste.

I really thought the move to Man United would be the making of him. That Fergie might be the one person who Rooney would have enough respect for to listen to - and who would be strong enough to discipline Rooney and keep him in line.

It was a brilliant move of Fergie's to make Rooney live near him when Rooney joined United, presumably so he could keep a 'parental' eye on him away from the Club. Unfortunately, that mentoring role that worked so well with Roy Keane doesn't seem to have been as successful with Rooney - but he is still very young yet, after all, so I guess there's time for Fergie's influence to rub off.

In the long run, Roy Keane's come through as a player of stature and has done justice to his great talent - hopefully, for Rooney's own sake and for the future success of the England team, I hope Man United will find a way to instill some self-discipline into Rooney.

I really hope he receives better guidance than Gazza obviously did. His talent is too special to be ruined through bad behaviour.

StarSparkle

The worst thing Gazza ever did was go to Spurs rather than United. He has actually said as much himself. The bright lights and temptations of London were too much for him.
Perhaps his talent would not have been so wasted if Fergie had got hold of him.

Wayne Rooney is what is technically known as a "Little Sh*t"

There is no known cure! Other than growing up.

he's just a little scroat. I'm sure in a couple of years he will turn into a more mature person

Originally posted by Guderian
The worst thing Gazza ever did was go to Spurs rather than United. He has actually said as much himself. The bright lights and temptations of London were too much for him.
Perhaps his talent would not have been so wasted if Fergie had got hold of him.

Bingo mate!
I agree with you yet again.

If Gazza had come to us- he would have been considered a world great- not as the alcoholic wife beater he is now.

Originally posted by ANGELUS


If Gazza had come to us- he would have been considered a world great- not as the alcoholic wife beater he is now.


Even if he still beat his wife and was an alcoholic?

Originally posted by spyro2000
Even if he still beat his wife and was an alcoholic?

If Gazza had come to MU- you would never have seen any of this wife beating, boozing crap - Fergie would have sorted him out like he will sort Rooney out at the minute.

Originally posted by venger
Wayne rooney what's his problem ?

Manchester United, Keane and Fergie.

Nail..... hammer.... WHACK! Think you've hit it spot on there - you only have to look back to before he moved from Everton and ok he was a little hot-headed but nothing even close to how he is now.

Unfortunately the Manchester Red Socks and (not much of a) Sir Alex have a long history of bringing out the worst in players when it comes to behaviour, sportsmanship and general dirty play.

Want proof... Rooney's temper, Cristiano (I'm not capable of standing up on my own without falling over) Ronaldo's diving and... well... the whole of Roy Keane's ManU career!!

Granted rooney is a bit hot headed but being sarcatsic is not a reason for being sent off

No, but under the rules of the game the ref was well within his rights to book him for it... and was right to do so.

A little harsh maybe given that he'd just booked him for the foul.. but then Rooney only has himself to blame for that - he didn't have to do that.

yes as CraigB says.

It was harsh sending him off, but thats the rules like it or not, so yes he did deserve it because he broke the rules. Only has himself to blame.

If you dont like the punishment, then dont do the crime, simple as.

I heard the funniest thing said on radio about Rooney this morning. Beverley Turner said the expression on Rooney's face was exactly the same as that of her 2 year old when she turns Nemo off.

so true.

Originally posted by CasLad
Granted rooney is a bit hot headed but being sarcatsic is not a reason for being sent off

No but, as craigb points out disippline and Man utd are not words used often in the same sentence. If Rooney gets away with it once how many nore times will he do it? Then does it move on from just being sarcastic to verbal abuse and even getting a bit physical with the ref and other players?

He is a role model to kids and the more he is seen to do stuff like that without suffering any punishment then they will all follow suit. This goes beyond people just wanting to have a go at him for their own reasons, his actions (and that of every football player for that matter) are closely watched and admired by many, they all have a reposibility.

I get bored of the quotes 'He is only young' etc. He is supposedly at one of the biggest clubs in the world with top class players, he should be able to mature quickly without loosing his passion for the game.

It is such a myth that Alex Ferguson is some sort of genius at controlling wayward young players.

If Roy Keane played for a team that was not winning almost all of its games he would probably get involved in a fight in every match he played, and if he didn't play for a team who referees were scared of he would probably have been sent off 30 times in his career.

Just like to add another penneth worth in as well..

FIFA awards are on again tomorrow and Rooney is in line to win the Young Player award again for the best young player in the world-- not bad to say a lot of people are still giving him stick on here still :)

I don't doubt he's got bags of talent (although he is over-rated IMHO), all I (and others on this thread) am saying is that he's a hot-headed, undisaplied childish moron... and "Sir" Alex and ManU are hardly helping curb it unfortunately (for England).

Originally posted by ANGELUS
Just like to add another penneth worth in as well..

FIFA awards are on again tomorrow and Rooney is in line to win the Young Player award again for the best young player in the world-- not bad to say a lot of people are still giving him stick on here still :)

Have to say he put in a decent performance yesterday in a difficult game.

I'd like to know exactly how many people from each country voted in these awards when they are announced. I'm sure our country will provide the most votes, so it's no surprise Rooney is favourite.

Just like to add that the best young player in the world- Mr Rooney- has won the FIFPro Young Player of the Year again- meaning once again- he has been acknowledged as the best young player in the world :)

Well done Wayne lad!

A lot of genius (don't know the plural) have thought to be shall we say eccentric ? I think he is a terrific player and hope he will be able to live with all the fame and fortune and continue to develop.
Maybe Fergie does know the answer :-
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1542713.html?menu=news.quirkies

PS. I think the ref was right,and hope Rooney looks on it as part of his learning curve.