I don’t always agree with some of the things the French do but this sounded great.

A group of people are, in the dead of night going around the French capital letting down the tires of SUV's (4x4's). there reason being they don’t agree with their gas guzzling and the ammount of damage they cause the environment.

Also they put mud on all over them stating "If they don’t go to the countryside, then the countryside can come to them".

In order not to cause damage by unwitting drivers trying to drive away with flat tyres they put a sticker on the windscreen telling the driver what they have done.

This is such a good idea in a world where eco-warriors are now resorting to terrorism and intimidation to get their point across. No one gets hurt, no property gets damaged. All this does is annoy 4x4 drivers.

I’m not saying I dislike 4x4’s, my parents have two. But they do live on a farm and live in the country.

Originally posted by serapis
I don’t always agree with some of the things the French do but this sounded great.

A group of people are, in the dead of night going around the French capital letting down the tires of SUV's (4x4's). there reason being they don’t agree with their gas guzzling and the ammount of damage they cause the environment.

Also they put mud on all over them stating "If they don’t go to the countryside, then the countryside can come to them".

In order not to cause damage by unwitting drivers trying to drive away with flat tyres they put a sticker on the windscreen telling the driver what they have done.

This is such a good idea in a world where eco-warriors are now resorting to terrorism and intimidation to get their point across. No one gets hurt, no property gets damaged. All this does is annoy 4x4 drivers.

I’m not saying I dislike 4x4’s, my parents have two. But they do live on a farm and live in the country.

in which case the warriors should be subjected to the full letter of the law - hopefully shot on sight.
better still why not leave their names & addresses for the legal claim & personal retribution.
oh i forgot like all terrorists there cowards.

Hmm, well I live in town and have a big 4x4 and I use it for all sorts of purposes including towing, going off road, carrying people and stuff.

I also keep it clean so it may not look like i use it as above. I would be VERY dischuffed if i came put to find a thousand pounds worth of damage to my tires.

Eco-warriors? Eco-morons by the sound of it.

Originally posted by willman
in which case the warriors should be subjected to the full letter of the law - hopefully shot on sight.
better still why not leave their names & addresses for the legal claim & personal retribution.
oh i forgot like all terrorists there cowards.

What legal claim could be made? Theft of air from the tyres?

I suppose you mean by way of saying "personal retribution" to attack them? Which is a pretty stupid comment isn't it?

Originally posted by Tony
Hmm, well I live in town and have a big 4x4 and I use it for all sorts of purposes including towing, going off road, carrying people and stuff.

I also keep it clean so it may not look like i use it as above. I would be VERY dischuffed if i came put to find a thousand pounds worth of damage to my tires.

Eco-warriors? Eco-morons by the sound of it.

thousand pounds worth of damage to my tires?? What? How does this cause a thousand pounds worth of damage to your types? Its only letting the air out of them. Yes if the car sat there for about a month then the tyre walls would get damaged, but not over night!

Originally posted by serapis
What legal claim could be made? Theft of air from the tyres?

I suppose you mean by way of saying "personal retribution" to attack them? Which is a pretty stupid comment isn't it?

perhaps if "we " knew where they lived , "we" may find something we disagree with and help them to correct there ways or educate them.not condoning violence at all.
unlawful handling of another persons property is technically "criminal damage"

Originally posted by willman
perhaps if "we " knew where they lived , "we" may find something we disagree with and help them to correct there ways or educate them.not condoning violence at all.
unlawful handling of another persons property is technically "criminal damage"

I doubt very much that you could obtain a conviction on this one unless you caught them on CCTV or something similar.

I’m not condoning it, I’m just playing devils advocate here.

i gathered. but it was worth a try any way.

Originally posted by serapis
thousand pounds worth of damage to my tires?? What? How does this cause a thousand pounds worth of damage to your types? Its only letting the air out of them. Yes if the car sat there for about a month then the tyre walls would get damaged, but not over night!
When over a couple of tons of vehicle is sat on flat tyres for even a short time it is likely to cause internal damage to the tyre sidewalls, requiring all the tyres to be replaced. Further damage may be inflicted on the wheel and the pressure sensors. There is also additional cost in re-inflating the tyres, having the wheels checked, rebalanced / aligned, and the cost in time and lost work whilst having to do all of this.

Like has been said above - it's straight forward criminal damage, not a harmless prank, and likely to get the perpetrator a length of 2x2 round the back of the head if they are caught in the act.

And when all that is said and done, do you think it's going to make a blind bit of difference to stop people buying 4x4's?

Originally posted by Tony
When over a couple of tons of vehicle is sat on flat tyres for even a short time it is likely to cause internal damage to the tyre sidewalls, requiring all the tyres to be replaced. Further damage may be inflicted on the wheel and the pressure sensors. There is also additional cost in re-inflating the tyres, having the wheels checked, rebalanced / aligned, and the cost in time and lost work whilst having to do all of this.

Like has been said above - it's straight forward criminal damage, not a harmless prank, and likely to get the perpetrator a length of 2x2 round the back of the head if they are caught in the act.

And when all that is said and done, do you think it's going to make a blind bit of difference to stop people buying 4x4's?

I think the idea is to **** you off for driving one.

And bye the way if you did hit a person who was letting down your tyres with a 2x2, that would be seen as an unprovoked attack with intent to cause actual bodily harm. Which in the eyes of the law is much more serious an offence.

it wont last long they'll be striking soon

Originally posted by serapis
I think the idea is to **** you off for driving one.

I would agree that this is all that would be achieved.

And like I said - what else is it going to achieve, except perhaps that 2x2 from a very annoyed innocent person who happens to own a perfectly legal 4x4 that a proven idiot doesn't like?

Originally posted by Tony
Hmm, well I live in town and have a big 4x4 and I use it for all sorts of purposes including towing, going off road, carrying people and stuff.

I also keep it clean so it may not look like i use it as above. I would be VERY dischuffed if i came put to find a thousand pounds worth of damage to my tires.

Eco-warriors? Eco-morons by the sound of it.
Here here.
Just another moronic stunt performed by french prats.
Not all 4x4's are just used for town driving, they perform other uses that normal cars wouldn't perform well doing (i.e. towing, off roading).

I personally think they should be prosecuted for vandalism and have to pay out of their own pockets time and moeny lost putting their stupidity right.

This is just wrong, aswell as stupid :loopy:
Where's it going to end? Will they suddenly decide all car users deserve their tyres letting down? Afterall, we can hardly point the finger at 4x4 users, when there's many more other vehicles on the road.

So when they're slapping mud on your bonnet, do they stop and think about the consequences of their actions? Supposing upon removal of said mud, scratches are found...Then what? Will they pay the owner costs for bodywork and paintwork? I think not.

Protest or no protest, no-one has the right to touch anyone elses vehicle, period.

Originally posted by Tony
I would agree that this is all that would be achieved.

And like I said - what else is it going to achieve, except perhaps that 2x2 from a very annoyed innocent person who happens to own a perfectly legal 4x4 that a proven idiot doesn't like?
Fully agree and I can say they'd get more than a 2x2 in my book.
They break the law trespassing on my property to cause damage to my property then I'll cause damage to them in return. A fair exchange.

And there is CCTV covering my property these days, so yes I would catch them in the act too :lol:

No one gets hurt, no property gets damaged. All this does is annoy 4x4 drivers.

Somehow, I don't think this argument would hold water when this eventually arrived in court. (Todays security measures mean that they will get caught, its inevitable)

Say the 4x4 owner is a Surgeon/Doctor and he goes to his car and finds his tyres let down and his vehicle covered in mud. He's due in the hospital in 30 minutes in order to perform a lifesaving operation. Who gets hurt then? Does the professional lose the days pay whilst he sorts the vehicle out? Costing his precious time and money? What if the patient's situation worsens and they suffer complications, or even die? Is this the desired result of a protest designed just to "annoy 4x4 drivers" ?

I could see the charges being held against the defendant being far worse than just "vandalism" :rolleyes:

Originally posted by caprice
Somehow, I don't think this argument would hold water when this eventually arrived in court. (Todays security measures mean that they will get caught, its inevitable)

Say the 4x4 owner is a Surgeon/Doctor and he goes to his car and finds his tyres let down and his vehicle covered in mud. He's due in the hospital in 30 minutes in order to perform a lifesaving operation. Who gets hurt then? Does the professional lose the days pay whilst he sorts the vehicle out? Costing his precious time and money? What if the patient's situation worsens and they suffer complications, or even die? Is this the desired result of a protest designed just to "annoy 4x4 drivers" ?

I could see the charges being held against the defendant being far worse than just "vandalism" :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by DaBouncer
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Originally posted by owdlad
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No need to worry.

As the title says, French eco warriors have declared war on 4x4s.

If things go the way of history, the 4x4s will fight back and the French surrender will follow very shortly. That is of course unless we bail them out whilst Cirac sits on his 'chuffta' in London. In which case the 4x4 will lose, we'll end up nose deep in debt, and the Frogs will run Europe and Renault will corner the market in 4x4 manufacture.

It's not a case of whether we should worry about this or not.

The issue here is that the warriors are committing a civil wrong, aswell as a criminal offence. It's all well and good saying people won't get hurt, they will.... How long will it be before some 4x4 haters start this in our country?

Is a 2x2 a 2 wheel drive motorcycle?

They'd better be careful, the French secret service will probably blow them up at a New Zealand harbour. :mad:

Originally posted by saxon51
No need to worry.

As the title says, French eco warriors have declared war on 4x4s.

If things go the way of history, the 4x4s will fight back and the French surrender will follow very shortly. That is of course unless we bail them out whilst Cirac sits on his 'chuffta' in London. In which case the 4x4 will lose, we'll end up nose deep in debt, and the Frogs will run Europe and Renault will corner the market in 4x4 manufacture.

And their pouting petulant shrugging youth will desecrate the gravestones of our brave warriors who fell fighting for their freedom.

What about old cars? they pollute the enviroment far more than the new cars which are designed to have less impact on the enviroment?

surely they are a more viable target - oh whoops- im sorry-i forgot,all these eco-warriors drive these clapped out bangers!!

I've got loads of flyers from Greenpeace targetting 4 x 4s. you can get flyers etc from the Greenpeace site here (http://www.greenpeace.org/international)

I agree... letting the air out of their tyres was quite silly. After all, if they really wanted to annoy 4x4 city drivers, they could have buried the vehicles in mud. This way, people could laugh at the owners while they try to figure out how to get unstuck!

:hihi:

Originally posted by Chicago
I agree... letting the air out of their tyres was quite silly. After all, if they really wanted to annoy 4x4 city drivers, they could have buried the vehicles in mud. This way, people could laugh at the owners while they try to figure out how to get unstuck!

:hihi:

lol :D some 4x4 cant get out of mud there just ment to look like they can tackle off road