Can anyone tell me if any German bombers in WW2 were shot down over the Sheffield area and if so where and on what date. The Times in December 1940 states that two were destroyed but the report was for obvious reasons heavily censored

http://www.chrishobbs.com/marples1940thetimes.htm

And of course "destroyed" does not necessarily mean shot down by the local air defence units. Mechanical failure, poor navigation etc are other possible reasons for German bomber losses

My late father always claimed to be 'nearly the first on the scene' [don't they all?] when a German bomber crashed on Concord Park, Wincobank. Allegedly, the crew were found dead.

Don't believe any sublimely fatuous folk myths about captured German pilots being hurled alive into the blast furnaces of the Steelworks. They are complete fabrications, but still surface now and again. One suspects that they are based upon stories of what may have happened to some poor RAF unfortunates at the hands of the German populace. There are records of captured Allied pilots handed over to the tender mercies of German crowds. In England, we don't usually do that sort of thing.

my grandad was in the home defence (used to make pins for tank tracks so was excempt Military Service) - used to mount a gun near the Wordsworth Tavern site - they had quite a few shotdowns / unconfirmed during the blitz - until his death he had a tailfin piece from a bomber in his loft - after his death it was given to a local museum near where he lived

Researching for 'Peakland Air Crashes' series (Landmark Publishers, Ashbourne) and requesting the locations within Concord Park, Sheffield, where two Hampden bombers came down, one crashing fatally and being destroyed by fire on 19 April 1941, the other making a successful precautionary landing on 8 July1943 before being flown off again some days later. Additionally, any information about a Hawker Audax which crashed on Norton Aerodrome on 7 February 1939, the pilot being unhurt.
Someone might know too, whether anything of the aerodrome site remains to provide a representative photograph. Many thanks in anticipation, Pat Cunningham

Originally posted by Aircrashes

Someone might know too, whether anything of the aerodrome site remains to provide a representative photograph.

The old hangars are still standing: Multimap Aerial Photo (http://www.multimap.com/map/photo.cgi?client=public&X=437500&Y=383000&width=500&height=300&gride=&gridn=&srec=0&coordsys=gb&db=pc&pc=&zm=0&scale=10000&down.x=187&down.y=7)

An old map showing the RAF base is on gleadless.net (http://www.gleadless.net/pages/maps/raf1967.htm)

Remember that Norton was an RAF station, not an airbase. It was a barrage ballon station with no runway.

hi pat
somewhere,i have a copy of the book 'dark peak wrecks' all about air crashes over the peaks (obviously:P ) it provides detailed info on loads of crashes, sites etc.

it is a very interesing read and if i can find it,i'll see if it refers to the specific crashes you mention.

if it does, i'll pm you to arrange a meet and you can take the book with you.

regards, john.

hello again pat
i just read your post again and realised that the crashes you mentioned didn't occur over the peaks,sorry- i appear to have been 'speed reading' again:(

regards, john.

Hi Pat, ref air crashes in Sheffield.
I used to have an aunt who lived in Frechville that I used to visit
when I was a youngster, about 55 years ago. Some where
in the back of my memory I seem to recall a jet aircraft crashing
some where on the Burley estate quite near to where my aunt lived. I wonder if any one else might remember this crash

A B17 Flying Fortress crashed in Endcliffe Park in 1943 returning from a raid on Germany. It was believed the aircraft was attempting to make a belly landing on the grass, when the pilot saw a bunch of kids playing football and banked off to avoid them. The aircraft hit trees and exploded. All ten crew were killed. There is a small memorial to them at the site maintained by the RAF Association.

Originally posted by biggsy
hello again pat
i just read your post again and realised that the crashes you mentioned didn't occur over the peaks,sorry- i appear to have been 'speed reading' again:(

regards, john.
John, I hope this works, I'm new to this, but this seems to be the way to reply to you. But many thanks. I am, as it happens, familiar with the Collier books, but they are now some twenty to thirty years old. My series is updated from a flier's viewpoint and although only the southern one is out presently, the central and the northern ones will cover the high peak. Many thanks for your interest.

Originally posted by Hamradio
Hi Pat, ref air crashes in Sheffield.
I used to have an aunt who lived in Frechville that I used to visit
when I was a youngster, about 55 years ago. Some where
in the back of my memory I seem to recall a jet aircraft crashing
some where on the Burley estate quite near to where my aunt lived. I wonder if any one else might remember this crash
There was a thread about this a little while ago, try doing a search. There was another under the title 'Lodge Moor History' that included the story of an American fighter that crashed on Lodge moor Hospital.

Originally posted by buck
A B17 Flying Fortress crashed in Endcliffe Park in 1943 returning from a raid on Germany. It was believed the aircraft was attempting to make a belly landing on the grass, when the pilot saw a bunch of kids playing football and banked off to avoid them. The aircraft hit trees and exploded. All ten crew were killed. There is a small memorial to them at the site maintained by the RAF Association.

Many thanks for trying to help regarding the Concord Park crashes. For the record, the Endcliffe Park B-17 you mention, 42-31322, crashed on 22 February 1944, eighty miles adrift, and carrying severe battle damage having weather-aborted a raid on Alborg in (occupied) Denmark. When it crashed it was totally out of control, the altruistic addition being a fabrication often made in such circumstances. The purpose the 1969 monument serves, and very properly so, is to act as a focus of remembrance for the 430 American aircrew and 43 American bombers downed that same day in Europe. In a wider sense it pays tribute to all those American aircrew who died operating from British airfields during the Second World War.

Kinder Scout and the surrounding area has been the scene of many air crashes. Two sabre jets crashed in unexplained circumstances in July 1954 the wreckage can still be seen GR 072902

Originally posted by steevie/d
Kinder Scout and the surrounding area has been the scene of many air crashes. Two sabre jets crashed in unexplained circumstances in July 1954 the wreckage can still be seen GR 072902

Many thanks for trying to help with the Sheffield, Concord Park crashes. Regarding the Kinder-Alsop Moor Sabres, sorry! but there is nothing unexplained about them, or for that matter about any of the near-200 other air crashes in the 'Peakland' area. (effectively, Huddersfield to Lichfield)

Thank you, Aircrashes for putting me to rights concerning the B17 crash. I was a scholar at Nether Edge Grammar School when the crash occured, just a couple of miles from the park and thought it was 1943, but no matter.
By the time I cycled over to the scene, the parlk had already been sealed off by the army, and all that I could see from the distance was that very distinctive Boeing tail sticking up among the debris.
After the army cleared the site, there were still a lot of it lying around, and kids were fighting over their souvenirs. I picked up a piece of an exhaust and saved it for years until my mother threw it out as morbid.
The story about the heroics involved in avoiding the kids was I think intended to point out that these were brave men. Truth sometimes took a backseat in those days, and if it helped morale why not.

Originally posted by buck
Thank you, Aircrashes for putting me to rights concerning the B17 crash. I was a scholar at Nether Edge Grammar School when the crash occured, just a couple of miles from the park and thought it was 1943, but no matter.
By the time I cycled over to the scene, the parlk had already been sealed off by the army, and all that I could see from the distance was that very distinctive Boeing tail sticking up among the debris.
After the army cleared the site, there were still a lot of it lying around, and kids were fighting over their souvenirs. I picked up a piece of an exhaust and saved it for years until my mother threw it out as morbid.
The story about the heroics involved in avoiding the kids was I think intended to point out that these were brave men. Truth sometimes took a backseat in those days, and if it helped morale why not.

Buck, many thanks again. Although it was the Concord Park crashes I was primarily interested in, your personal experience of the aftermath of the B-17 crash is very valuable and I would welcome your permission to use it in my 'Central' book. As you'll appreciate, witnesses to events 'back then' are become fewer... Ideally, for the purposes of attributing the anecdote, I'd like to be able to quote your full name: and the Sheffield area where you were actually domiciled at the time would be good as an addition. Pat Cunningham

Thank you Aircrashes, my name is Gordon Taylor, I was 13 at the time, and lived in Abbeydale.
I heard an unconfirmed story that the tail gunner was still alive trapped in his turret, and ordered some kids trying to help to get away in case the aircraft burned. I don't believe there was any fire. I do remember that part of one engine was still embedded in the clay, with a pool of gasoline around it, and some fool kid wanted to strike a match and drop it in it. He was discouraged very forcefully!

I also seem to remember visiting a crash site in a park earlier in the war ,which might well have been in Concord Park. I've been out of Sheffield over 35 years and my geography isn't what it was. At the time I thought the aircraft was an Anson, and had struck a barrage balloon cable. I was always interested in aircraft recognition, and still am. I became quite adept at recognizing engine sounds, including Germans.
Just prior to the first Sheffield blitz, when I was 9, I was in the street at Tinsley with my mother, who was talking to a friend. An aircraft came over very low, so low that the pilot waved to us.
My mother said it was a hospital plane because of the cross on it. I explained to her it was a Heinkel 111!

There was a crash at Frechville in the 1950s.
A young lad crashed his RAF meteor jet into a field near Silkstone Rd.
I have some pictures from the crash site the day after and how it looks now.
Unfortunately the young bloke tried to eject but he was too low.
He was lucky not to land in a row of houses.

Originally posted by buck
Thank you Aircrashes, my name is Gordon Taylor, I was 13 at the time, and lived in Abbeydale.
I heard an unconfirmed story that the tail gunner was still alive trapped in his turret, and ordered some kids trying to help to get away in case the aircraft burned. I don't believe there was any fire. I do remember that part of one engine was still embedded in the clay, with a pool of gasoline around it, and some fool kid wanted to strike a match and drop it in it. He was discouraged very forcefully!
Mr Taylor, many thanks for the identification details and for the additional recollection that you saw part of an engine embedded. The incident of the trapped crew member has substance, although again, the actuality (that is, my version, you understand) is a touche less altruistic, and more akin to what I'd do if I was trapped and saw a helpful lad nearby. I'm not used to the protocol on open networks like this, but my e-mail address is patrick@cunninghampatrick.wanadoo.co.uk and if you'd care to contact me with your address I'll send a draft of the write-up of the crash, as amended to incorporate your very welcome input.
Again many thanks. But I wished you'd been in Concord Park on the appropriate days instead of the other one! Pat Cunningham

Originally posted by LedZeppelin
There was a crash at Frechville in the 1950s.
A young lad crashed his RAF meteor jet into a field near Silkstone Rd.
I have some pictures from the crash site the day after and how it looks now.
Unfortunately the young bloke tried to eject but he was too low.
He was lucky not to land in a row of houses.
I'm not quite sure where Frechville is, and Silkstone Road doesn't ring a bell, so it could be that this crash would be outside the area I have designated as 'Peakland'-- basically Huddersfield to Lichfield, Manchester eastish to Sheffield westish -- but I know other people who would be very interested in your then and now pictures. If you'd like to further that, My e-mail address is patrick@cunninghampatrick.wanadoo.co.uk
As a flier of forty year's standing I must comment that, provided the pilot had some control left, (and in this instance I don't know whether he did, he was much better off choosing a nice open field, to some rather hard houses.
Many thanks Pat Cuningham

Originally posted by buck
I also seem to remember visiting a crash site in a park earlier in the war ,which might well have been in Concord Park. I've been out of Sheffield over 35 years and my geography isn't what it was. At the time I thought the aircraft was an Anson, and had struck a barrage balloon cable. I was always interested in aircraft recognition, and still am. I became quite adept at recognizing engine sounds, including Germans.
Just prior to the first Sheffield blitz, when I was 9, I was in the street at Tinsley with my mother, who was talking to a friend. An aircraft came over very low, so low that the pilot waved to us.
My mother said it was a hospital plane because of the cross on it. I explained to her it was a Heinkel 111!
Having answered your one about the B-17, then saw this one. Loved that bit about your mother, which I'd gratefully use. Pat Cunningham

Originally posted by Hamradio
Hi Pat, ref air crashes in Sheffield.
I used to have an aunt who lived in Frechville that I used to visit
when I was a youngster, about 55 years ago. Some where
in the back of my memory I seem to recall a jet aircraft crashing
some where on the Burley estate quite near to where my aunt lived. I wonder if any one else might remember this crash
I may, or may not use this crash in the forthcoming book, it is only marginally in the area I'm dealing with. Consequently I haven't yet got the accident report from the RAF. But here are the bare bones. It's the Concord Park crashes I'm keen on, though.
Gloster Meteor, Hackenthorpe, south-east of Sheffield, 26 May 1955. Pilot Officer John Alexander Cohen was killed when he crashed during a training flight from RAF Worksop. The aircraft plunged into open ground at the centre of the Birley Moor Estate and burst into flames. Many people were listening to the election results [Anthony Eden returned] and others, woken up by the sound of the crash, were thrown into alarm. One, a St John’s Ambulance man, hurriedly wrapped a macintosh around himself and ran outside to help. To discover nothing but a smoking, twelve-foot deep crater from which the pilot’s body would later be recovered. The Times recorded that the pilot had recently signed as a wicket keeper and batsman for Glamorgan. Pat Cunningham

Originally posted by Aircrashes
I may, or may not use this crash in the forthcoming book, it is only marginally in the area I'm dealing with. Consequently I haven't yet got the accident report from the RAF. But here are the bare bones. It's the Concord Park crashes I'm keen on, though.
Gloster Meteor, Hackenthorpe, south-east of Sheffield, 26 May 1955. Pilot Officer John Alexander Cohen was killed when he crashed during a training flight from RAF Worksop. The aircraft plunged into open ground at the centre of the Birley Moor Estate and burst into flames. Many people were listening to the election results [Anthony Eden returned] and others, woken up by the sound of the crash, were thrown into alarm. One, a St John’s Ambulance man, hurriedly wrapped a macintosh around himself and ran outside to help. To discover nothing but a smoking, twelve-foot deep crater from which the pilot’s body would later be recovered. The Times recorded that the pilot had recently signed as a wicket keeper and batsman for Glamorgan. Pat Cunningham Thanks for the info about this air crash. It was a long time ago and I didn't know any details.
Now ref the area that you are interested in.Have you tried contacting the RAF Mountain Rescue team for that area, the team in question being the team based at RAF Stafford.
I spent a lot of my time in the RAF on mountain rescue and each team member is issued with a list of all the coordinates for known crashes within their area. most of my time was spent in either Wales and Scotland so unfortunately I don't have any info on the area that your interested in

Originally posted by Hamradio
Thanks for the info about this air crash. It was a long time ago and I didn't know any details.
Now ref the area that you are interested in.Have you tried contacting the RAF Mountain Rescue team for that area, the team in question being the team based at RAF Stafford.
I spent a lot of my time in the RAF on mountain rescue and each team member is issued with a list of all the coordinates for known crashes within their area. most of my time was spent in either Wales and Scotland so unfortunately I don't have any info on the area that your interested in
Very interested to hear from a MRT stalwart. And with a very good suggestion, reference Stafford, which I'll follow up. I've just to get the location of the Hampden couple in Concord Park, of an elusive Oxford at Chapel-en-le-Frith, and of an equally elusive Blenheim below -- or above -- Crowden Tower in Edale. And having found that bunch, I can retire as an anorak. Many thanks.

Originally posted by LedZeppelin
There was a crash at Frechville in the 1950s.
A young lad crashed his RAF meteor jet into a field near Silkstone Rd.
I have some pictures from the crash site the day after and how it looks now.
Unfortunately the young bloke tried to eject but he was too low.
He was lucky not to land in a row of houses.
You wrote about the meteor jet crash near Silkstone Road but at the time I thought it was outside the area I am writing about. Thanks, in part, to your information, I now find that it is a site well worth covering and would welcome the opportunity of using the photographs you mention. My e-mail address is cunningham@patrickcunningham.wanadoo.co.uk and I would willingly reimburse you for any expense incurred in e-mailing or steam mailing the photos to me. Pat Cunningham

Originally posted by Aircrashes
You wrote about the meteor jet crash near Silkstone Road but at the time I thought it was outside the area I am writing about. Thanks, in part, to your information, I now find that it is a site well worth covering and would welcome the opportunity of using the photographs you mention. My e-mail address is cunningham@patrickcunningham.wanadoo.co.uk and I would willingly reimburse you for any expense incurred in e-mailing or steam mailing the photos to me. Pat Cunningham

Dear LedZeppelin
When I asked you to contact me with the photographs of the Meteor crash near Silkstone Road I rather uncleverly sent an incorrect e-mail address. Sorry about that. It should have been patrick@cunninghampatrick.wanadoo.co.uk

hi Cee Gee,
Regarding WW2 Aircraft, My mother in law told me recently, that, as a young girl she was taken to the American camp? on Manor Lane to see a crashed German bomber, I am positive the story is correct, but I am a little confused over the American camp bit, hope this helps,
cheers, INTITOT

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Hi

Thanks for the reply. I seem to recall photos of a crashed German fighter Me109 that was taken outside the Town Hall. It appears that these exhibits were taken around the country in order to raise funds for the construction of Allied fighters - eg The Spitfire Fund. By all accounts these events were very popular and well supported - it was thought that they were also good for civilian morale.

I am wondering whether or not your mother in law saw a similar type of event. Whilst I cannot recall an US depot on Manor Lane, the fact that your mother in law saw the bomber indicates that it was a public event (not classified). I am sure that the US Airforce would exhibit in a similar way as to the British. The date 1942 onwards?

I think you will find that it wasn't a plane which came down in Concord Park but a barrage balloon.

My late father always maintained that it was a German aircraft which crashed on Concord Park, and he claimed the pilot was found dead. What a great pity it is that he is no longer around to ask again; 'Oh for the touch of a vanished hand, and the sound of a voice that is still'.

Hi

My father was an avid plane spotter (and passed his passion onto me), and lived in the Pitsmoor area of Sheffield during the blitz.

He used to recall one or two crashes to me on a regular basis , including the Endcliffe Park B-17 crash,which he also ran to at the time.The suggestion that the aircraft came down 'out of contriol' does not seem to be upheld by the fact that the aircraft could be heard in a pattern for some time, perhaps slowly letting down through the low cloud/ occasional drizzle that was prevelant that day by my fathers accounts.My father suggested that the aircraft was just too low to recover by the time it broke cloud ?
The only account of a German aircraft brought down actually in Sheffield was recalled as being an 'unidentified' (at least at the time)which came down in pieces , landing in the vicinity of Stoke's Paint factory, apparently near Abbeydale Road ?
This may have been blown up by AA fire , or by it's own bombload on the way down.My father says it had German markings , but little else was recognisable.
The next nearest German aircraft to crash was at a place called Gringley on the Hill near Gainsborough which my father and his chums elected to ride to on their bikes, only to find it still out of bounds at the time.Apparently this 'kil' was attributed to an AA battery in Sheffield?
There was indeed at least one crash in Concord Park, this was recalled as a Whitley by my father.The crash was at the edge of the golf course and the adjacent wooded area and the whole crew was killed.
A Tiger Moth also landed in the park, and by this time (near the end of the war) my father worked in the park as a gardeners mate , and unofficially guarded the aircraft whilst the pilot went off to phone someone/ arrange fuel/ find a way home.
Don't know if this helps, hope so !

Regards

Paul Flynn
XS186 ground crew

Originally posted by timo
My late father always claimed to be 'nearly the first on the scene' [don't they all?] when a German bomber crashed on Concord Park, Wincobank. Allegedly, the crew were found dead.

Don't believe any sublimely fatuous folk myths about captured German pilots being hurled alive into the blast furnaces of the Steelworks. They are complete fabrications, but still surface now and again. One suspects that they are based upon stories of what may have happened to some poor RAF unfortunates at the hands of the German populace. There are records of captured Allied pilots handed over to the tender mercies of German crowds. In England, we don't usually do that sort of thing.
To Timo,
Please allow to me dissassociate myself from your para two while responding to your observation in para one.
I have positively traced just two aircraft which came down in Concord Park, both Hampdens. One made a forced landing in 1943, and was, I understand, subsequently flown out. But on 19 April, 1941, Hampden P1248 hit a barrage-balloon cable, presumably killing the observer (navigator ), Pilot Officer Ranson, then crashed and burnt out in Concord Park. The pilot, Pilot Officer Allsebrook, escaped by parachute.
Enquiries in the Park area, however, have failed to provide a definitive touch down/impact site for either incident. I would be grateful, therefore, for any information that would help determine either site, and for any other positive information on either incident. Pat Cunningham, Peakland Air Crashes Landmark Publishing

Originally posted by LedZeppelin
There was a crash at Frechville in the 1950s.
A young lad crashed his RAF meteor jet into a field near Silkstone Rd.
I have some pictures from the crash site the day after and how it looks now.
Unfortunately the young bloke tried to eject but he was too low.
He was lucky not to land in a row of houses.
To LedZeppelin, having now utilised your description and visited the 'end-of-Silkstone-Road- as-it-was-in-1955' crash site, and interviewed witnesses, I should be very grateful for sight of the pictures you have. They would be very useful, not least to help positively locate the exact -- and now overgrown, but not built-over -- site. My e-mail address is patrick@cunninghampatrick.wanadoo.co.uk
Pat Cunningham, Peakland Air Crashes, Landmark.

Originally posted by dollypeg
I think you will find that it wasn't a plane which came down in Concord Park but a barrage balloon. Many thanks, dollypeg. And having received the RAF crash report which specifies that the Hampden crashed having hit a barrage-balloon cable you will see that the version you heard has substance. But I wonder if anyone you know can identify whereabouts in the park whatever it was came to ground. Many thanks. Pat Cunningham, Peakland Air Crashes, Landmark

Originally posted by relight9
Hi

My father was an avid plane spotter (and passed his passion onto me), and lived in the Pitsmoor area of Sheffield during the blitz.

He used to recall one or two crashes to me on a regular basis , including the Endcliffe Park B-17 crash,which he also ran to at the time.The suggestion that the aircraft came down 'out of contriol' does not seem to be upheld by the fact that the aircraft could be heard in a pattern for some time, perhaps slowly letting down through the low cloud/ occasional drizzle that was prevelant that day by my fathers accounts.My father suggested that the aircraft was just too low to recover by the time it broke cloud ?
The only account of a German aircraft brought down actually in Sheffield was recalled as being an 'unidentified' (at least at the time)which came down in pieces , landing in the vicinity of Stoke's Paint factory, apparently near Abbeydale Road ?
This may have been blown up by AA fire , or by it's own bombload on the way down.My father says it had German markings , but little else was recognisable.
The next nearest German aircraft to crash was at a place called Gringley on the Hill near Gainsborough which my father and his chums elected to ride to on their bikes, only to find it still out of bounds at the time.Apparently this 'kil' was attributed to an AA battery in Sheffield?
There was indeed at least one crash in Concord Park, this was recalled as a Whitley by my father.The crash was at the edge of the golf course and the adjacent wooded area and the whole crew was killed.
A Tiger Moth also landed in the park, and by this time (near the end of the war) my father worked in the park as a gardeners mate , and unofficially guarded the aircraft whilst the pilot went off to phone someone/ arrange fuel/ find a way home.
Don't know if this helps, hope so !

Regards

Paul Flynn
XS186 ground crew Paul -- pardon my iggerance, but what is XS186? That aside, I'd be very interested to learn if the Stoke's Paint factory shooting-down was reported in the local press, or if your father gave any rough date, (or any other details) which would enable me to do a press search. (and enemy aircraft losses were, or course, so reported)
Also any closer dating for the Tiger Moth set down. The latter certainly, seems one I would like to use, validated by your father as it is. If he has, or perhaps, had, any other details, I'd be very grateful to hear of them. Many thanks. Pat Cunningham, Peakland Air Crashes, Landmark.

Hi Pat

Spoke to my dad again, unfortunately his memory is'nt what it was so he can't really give much more of an insight as far as dates etc. are concerned.

The Tiger Moth incident is definitely correct , but the date could be anywhere between late 1942 and 1945, which was the time my father worked in the Parks Department.
The aircraft either ran out of fuel , or the pilot was lost, as the RAF or Army drove a truck over the park field to the aircraft to refuel it with Jerry cans, which my fathers boss was'nt happy about at all by his accounts!

The German bomber episode- No further news on this , but it was early in the war , as my father was evacuated in 1940 till 1942.Don't know if accurate records exist re dates of evacuations,i.e. whether the Sheffield Blitz had started before some children had been moved out, which is the only way i can see my father having been around at the time ?
No aircraft details, a Dornier has been mentioned , but this is highly speculative, everything was a Dornier, Heinkel or a Messerschmitt !

Let me know if anything further comes to light, sorry can't be of more use.

Regards

Paul

Pat - You have a PM

Originally posted by relight9
Hi Pat

Spoke to my dad again, unfortunately his memory is'nt what it was so he can't really give much more of an insight as far as dates etc. are concerned.

The Tiger Moth incident is definitely correct , but the date could be anywhere between late 1942 and 1945, which was the time my father worked in the Parks Department.
The aircraft either ran out of fuel , or the pilot was lost, as the RAF or Army drove a truck over the park field to the aircraft to refuel it with Jerry cans, which my fathers boss was'nt happy about at all by his accounts!

The German bomber episode- No further news on this , but it was early in the war , as my father was evacuated in 1940 till 1942.Don't know if accurate records exist re dates of evacuations,i.e. whether the Sheffield Blitz had started before some children had been moved out, which is the only way i can see my father having been around at the time ?
No aircraft details, a Dornier has been mentioned , but this is highly speculative, everything was a Dornier, Heinkel or a Messerschmitt !

Let me know if anything further comes to light, sorry can't be of more use.

Regards

Paul

Pat - You have a PM Paul, I have tried to send you a private message to get your father's Christian name, also with respect to my former acquaintance with 186, but heaven knows if it has got through. Perhaps you'd let me know.

Hi Pat

I,ve PM'd you back, and will be in touch again shortly.

You have noted that you can use some of the detail we have uncovered,is it to be in an article , book etc. as i'm sure there would be quite a bit of interest in it ?

Regards

Paul

Aircrashes,
Thanks for your reply. Re my caution against believing the ridiculous folk-myths about German pilots hurled alive into blast furnaces [there are other grisly variations on the tale], please be assured that I wasn't suggesting you were in any way gullible. The stories have circulated for years, appear to be without foundation, and I had a dreadful feeling that they might crop up in the course of your research.

Re my father's claim that a German aircraft crashed on Concord Park; it is possible that he was mistaken and in fact saw the crashed Hampden in April 1941. Is it possible that a German aircraft did crash on Concord Park, but has been omitted from the records? On the surface, it doesn't seem very likely. What is your view here?

Originally posted by timo
Aircrashes,
Thanks for your reply. Re my caution against believing the ridiculous folk-myths about German pilots hurled alive into blast furnaces [there are other grisly variations on the tale], please be assured that I wasn't suggesting you were in any way gullible. The stories have circulated for years, appear to be without foundation, and I had a dreadful feeling that they might crop up in the course of your research.

Re my father's claim that a German aircraft crashed on Concord Park; it is possible that he was mistaken and in fact saw the crashed Hampden in April 1941. Is it possible that a German aircraft did crash on Concord Park, but has been omitted from the records? On the surface, it doesn't seem very likely. What is your view here?
Dear Timo, from the responses so far it doesn't seem likely, two Hampdens and a Tiger Moth seem to complete the Park's bag. And you are quite right, of course, regarding apocryphal stories; but then in the (now) 255 Peakland air crashes I am covering in my books there are substantiated stories enough and to spare. And not a single ghoul or ghost among them! (Well, bar one of the latter ...) Many thanks for your interest, Pat Cunningham

Originally posted by Aircrashes
Researching for 'Peakland Air Crashes' series (Landmark Publishers, Ashbourne) and requesting the locations within Concord Park, Sheffield, where two Hampden bombers came down, one crashing fatally and being destroyed by fire on 19 April 1941, the other making a successful precautionary landing on 8 July1943 before being flown off again some days later. Additionally, any information about a Hawker Audax which crashed on Norton Aerodrome on 7 February 1939, the pilot being unhurt.
Someone might know too, whether anything of the aerodrome site remains to provide a representative photograph. Many thanks in anticipation, Pat Cunningham Can anyone tell me the date, or even the year, when a Meteor jet aircraft crashed at Todwick. It would probably have been 1955, and would have been reported in the Sheffield Star. Pat Cunningham

is endcliffe park on the road to fulwood almost near a school called greystone? Iattended this school afew hours after an american plane came down

Originally posted by flyer
is endcliffe park on the road to fulwood almost near a school called greystone? Iattended this school afew hours after an american plane came down
That's right flyer, the park is the one at Hunter's Bar, not far from Greystones School.

thank you algy I've been in Canada for 50 y'rs so my memory gets quite hazy

Originally posted by algy
There was a thread about this a little while ago, try doing a search. There was another under the title 'Lodge Moor History' that included the story of an American fighter that crashed on Lodge moor Hospital.
The unforunate only victim of the hospital crash was my Auntie. It was on Dec 10th 1955 and I was 12