After yet another humiliating defeat at the Eurovision song contest, coming last yet again. Should we bother entering at all?

It’s not as if we have to enter and countries like Italy, Austria, Czech Republic and Hungary amongst others chose not to enter this year.

Why should we bother?

if we took it a bit more seriously then maybe we would enter people with a bit of talent rather than people who wouldn't make it through an x factor audition

We came fifth last year. How quickly people forget. It's like the old chestnut of East Europe always winning - last night's show was in Oslo, next year Berlin! The reason we came last is because the song was complete rubbish and badly performed.

We came fifth last year. How quickly people forget. It's like the old chestnut of East Europe always winning - last night's show was in Oslo, next year Berlin! The reason we came last is because the song was complete rubbish and badly performed.

Completely nothing to do with Pete Waterman writing and producing it then :help::huh:

I think we should just enter Leona Lewis , she would blow the opposition away sorted.

This years entry was abysmal.

Wasn't the song rejected in 1985 by Rick Astley?

Seems Waterman still got his wish with the Rick Astley wannabe singing it. :D

Totally bent competition not worth entering.

Totally bent competition not worth entering.

Certainly not worth entering with the sort of sub karaoke dross that is chosen to represent us.

Yes we never going to win again

All the UK needs to do is scrap the crap and actually find someone who can sing.
it's all plastic artists picked out by 10 year old kids voting on crappy TV shows for the worst entry.
What do you expect to get in the UK music scene while they invent crud in front of drug fuelled idiot kids using stupid TV shows that would be rejected by loony bin inmates if they could do more than say ga ga goo goo?

We came fifth last year. How quickly people forget. It's like the old chestnut of East Europe always winning - last night's show was in Oslo, next year Berlin! The reason we came last is because the song was complete rubbish and badly performed.

Correct. And seen as we are one of the big funders of the competition we may as well get our money's worth (with a proper entry next year please!).

All the UK needs to do is scrap the crap and actually find someone who can sing.
it's all plastic artists picked out by 10 year old kids voting on crappy TV shows for the worst entry.
What do you expect to get in the UK music scene while they invent crud in front of drug fuelled idiot kids using stupid TV shows that would be rejected by loony bin inmates if they could do more than say ga ga goo goo?

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Yes i think we should stop entering the competition because its nothing but a fix and i think the money that is used to fund it would be better spent elsewhere.

After yet another humiliating defeat at the Eurovision song contest, coming last yet again. Should we bother entering at all?

It’s not as if we have to enter and countries like Italy, Austria, Czech Republic and Hungary amongst others chose not to enter this year.

Why should we bother?

England had lost all it's musical talent because people would rather look good infront of a camera that actually perform a decent or cheesey tune.

I just don't understand the point of it. It is rubbish music that doesn't represent modern pop music at all. Other countries in Europe don't want to vote for us and we only ever enter crap anyway. We have the biggest and best music industry in Europe, so why enter a stupid tv show like this?

This year we had a good singer but a bad song. When they can merge the two together weve cracked it.!:roll:

I think we should just enter Leona Lewis , she would blow the opposition away sorted.

Pervert ...

What makes me laugh about EUROvision, is that Israel and Russia are in it!!! :loopy: :suspect:

What makes me laugh about EUROvision, is that Israel and Russia are in it!!! :loopy: :suspect:

Israel, you have a case; Russia is a largely European country, and definitively of European origin (it was Muscovy that conquered the Asian steppes, not the other way around).

I'm looking forward to next weekend when BBC 4 are screenig live and in full the Eurovision Dong contest.I wonder what our chances are of winning that.

England had lost all it's musical talent because people would rather look good infront of a camera that actually perform a decent or cheesey tune.

england hasnt lost all its tallent, its just that its a worthless competition and any serious musician wouldnt want to enter it. Leona lewis has been mentioned in this thread, but why would she even considor entering. yes she may win but against what? seriousley cheesy songs and below average performances.

its time we stopped entering, keep it on tv if it must for the wierd people like my mum who have a party every year. but spare the embarassment of the country and singer.

This would have won Eurovision, no contest :thumbsup:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhLG-vZhF6o

The voting in the Eurovision has for a long time been purely political for many voting nations, so much so it's embarassing. It would matter little if the UK entered a decent song/singer, in the interests of making it actually a competition it should at least be scored by an independant panel of judges within the venue itself, all this going around the different countries for their scores is a farce. Other than that we should not enter again while the competitition continues it's present vote scoring process.

The voting in the Eurovision has for a long time been purely political for many voting nations, so much so it's embarassing. It would matter little if the UK entered a decent song/singer, in the interests of making it actually a competition it should at least be scored by an independant panel of judges within the venue itself, all this going around the different countries for their scores is a farce. Other than that we should not enter again while the competitition continues it's present vote scoring process.

I rarely watch Eurodrivel, but did catch a few minutes last night and couldn't wait to turn it off. If we want to take it seriouslywe should allow rougher edged bands, real bands with real musicians, to compete for the chance to represent us. Lordi managed to buck the plastic pop pap trend a few years ago (although they are also a bit of a joke, to be fair), why can't we?

There are literally thousands of unsigned bands in this country playing good original songs.

Oh man. Let's face it. It's had its' day. It is a load of DROSS!!!! I didn't even know it was on 'til I heard some vague mention of a Greek song on the radio last night in the car. Think we should have pulled out years ago. Nobody likes us anyway, as a nation. I reckon we have better things to do than enter dire old-fashioned competitions like that, these days. Let Eurovision burn in the fires of hell, along with Miss World.

All the UK needs to do is scrap the crap and actually find someone who can sing.
it's all plastic artists picked out by 10 year old kids voting on crappy TV shows for the worst entry.
What do you expect to get in the UK music scene while they invent crud in front of drug fuelled idiot kids using stupid TV shows that would be rejected by loony bin inmates if they could do more than say ga ga goo goo?

..it's ok upinwath, there, there, there, come back inside and sit by the fire, nursie's got your medication waiting for you :D

waste of time and money nobody in europe likes us just our money and troops when in trouble.time we all insisted we do not enter any more.terry wogan knew it was a lost cause.

The voting in the Eurovision has for a long time been purely political for many voting nations, so much so it's embarassing. It would matter little if the UK entered a decent song/singer, in the interests of making it actually a competition it should at least be scored by an independant panel of judges within the venue itself, all this going around the different countries for their scores is a farce. Other than that we should not enter again while the competitition continues it's present vote scoring process.


There is a lot of political allegiance in the voting overall, but it doesn't affect which song comes out the winner each year. The winner is pretty much always a song which stands out in some way regardless of nationality. I repeat, though I know people will insist on ignoring the fact, we came fifth last year, and the voting system has been changed, it's now 50% jury based, the standard moan is a bit tired now.

I remember people were coming out with the 'we never win' line through the nineties, then voila, we won! So much for political voting there. Then all too soon it was 'we never win' again. It's just sour grapes and being bad losers. We won in '97 because we had the stand out song. We came last this year because we sent dross.

I also find it strange that people who happen not to like Eurovision want it taken off. I don't like watching football (and we never win! ;)) but I don't think it should be taken off air just because I don't like it. I don't have children, but that doesn't make children's telly a waste of money.

It's just a bit of light entertainment once a year. Nothing to get so het up about. If we don't win then we don't have to pay to stage the thing so we get to have a laugh without the burden. That's win/win surely? :)

Is it worth putting a decent singer/band in there or would the political voting still go against us? I really think we should pull out - no-one takes it seriously, it doesn't mean anything, winning it doesn't gain the country in question any more respect or kudos but tends to make them a bit of a laughing stock. Instead we pour money into funding, putting out TV programmes to pick a singer and then we send a team of people from both BBC TV *and* radio out there to cover another humiliation. Pull out and don't bother transmitting it when it does happen.

The 3+ hours of the Eurovision Song Contest costs the BBC significantly less than a normal Saturday night's programming (last year cost slightly more than an average episode of Casualty), so by showing it, they actually save money compared to a normal weekend.

It's called the Eurovision Song Contest because it's uses the Eurovision contribution network run by the European Broadcasting Union (EBU), a group of broadcasters (which BBC, all the ITV companies, C4 and C5 are all full members of) from across the European continent and neighbouring countries, which work together to collaborate on various projects and standards. The EBU does far more than a song contest, for example, the BBC doesn't pay for the rights to the Olympic Games, it gets them as part of it's membership of the EBU (which holds the rights to the Games in it's members countries). The Eurovision network is a system of audio and video lines across Europe (and beyond) in order to make it cost effective for broadcasters to cover events across the continent, and provide services for each other. Around 25% of the news coverage in the UK uses parts of the network. The Song Contest was started in order to demonstrate the flexibility of this network.

The UK, along with France, Spain and Germany are disliked among many of the other competitors because we don't have to qualify for the main show, as a result of us being so important in the Eurovision Network. This hasn't stopped Germany from winning, with a good song. We have won in the past with good songs (hands up who still remembers the song from last time we won with Katrina & The Waves? Hands up who still remembers last years song?), but we've never won with a rubbish song. There were many songs far better than our rubbish effort this year.

Hadn't the wining song from Germany been available on download for weeks so that it was already a well known song across Europe? Maybe the UK entry should be marketed better next year.

Hadn't the wining song from Germany been available on download for weeks so that it was already a well known song across Europe? Maybe the UK entry should be marketed better next year.

Yes, the German song was already a popular hit. Ours was forgettable one second after it began.

the thing is this. As a country we have major artists that have worldwide popularity, so why would they do Eurovision. Many of the countries that do enter use their very own home grown succesful artists that are well known within their home and neighbouring countries, hence the voting. Eurovision is possibly the only chance for some of them to step on a stage beamed into so many living rooms outside of their own country, very few ever becomes international artisits.
The likes of Leona lewis etc do not need a stage like eurovision, it would do them no favours.

The 3+ hours of the Eurovision Song Contest costs the BBC significantly less than a normal Saturday night's programming (last year cost slightly more than an average episode of Casualty), so by showing it, they actually save money compared to a normal weekend.

It's called the Eurovision Song Contest because it's uses the Eurovision contribution network run by the European Broadcasting Union (EBU), a group of broadcasters (which BBC, all the ITV companies, C4 and C5 are all full members of) from across the European continent and neighbouring countries, which work together to collaborate on various projects and standards. The EBU does far more than a song contest, for example, the BBC doesn't pay for the rights to the Olympic Games, it gets them as part of it's membership of the EBU (which holds the rights to the Games in it's members countries). The Eurovision network is a system of audio and video lines across Europe (and beyond) in order to make it cost effective for broadcasters to cover events across the continent, and provide services for each other. Around 25% of the news coverage in the UK uses parts of the network. The Song Contest was started in order to demonstrate the flexibility of this network.

The UK, along with France, Spain and Germany are disliked among many of the other competitors because we don't have to qualify for the main show, as a result of us being so important in the Eurovision Network. This hasn't stopped Germany from winning, with a good song. We have won in the past with good songs (hands up who still remembers the song from last time we won with Katrina & The Waves? Hands up who still remembers last years song?), but we've never won with a rubbish song. There were many songs far better than our rubbish effort this year.

Exactly right. If you put forward such a crappy song as we did this year you can't expect to win. Germany are just as unpopular as we are but the song was catchy & won.

i think we should stop embarraasing ourselves and bow out until we get something special i also believe they should stop asking people to vote why cant one of the big moguls like simon cowle pick the artist and song he knows what hes doing surely

the thing is this. As a country we have major artists that have worldwide popularity, so why would they do Eurovision. Many of the countries that do enter use their very own home grown succesful artists that are well known within their home and neighbouring countries, hence the voting. Eurovision is possibly the only chance for some of them to step on a stage beamed into so many living rooms outside of their own country, very few ever becomes international artisits.
The likes of Leona lewis etc do not need a stage like eurovision, it would do them no favours.

I think you have hit the nail on the head.

This is the kind of song we need for eurovision

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYUuqbSyTHY

I know its a cover, but its just an example. Its got dance (which the europeans like) good clear singing, and and a good beat. The whole singing ballads thing, every year is not going to get us anywhere.

The other problem we have is most artists who finish near the top are established not just in there country, but lots of countries have already heard of them.

I have a theory that we enter bland boring music into the Eurovision because we don't actually want to win it. The winning country has to host the next years competition and that costs a lot of money, money that we don't want to spend.

I have a theory that we enter bland boring music into the Eurovision because we don't actually want to win it. The winning country has to host the next years competition and that costs a lot of money, money that we don't want to spend.

Exactly. :)

Hence the 'My Lovely Horse' storyline in Father Ted.

The issue here is not about winning and losing but the embarrassing way in which points are scored, any other competition and there would be an enquiry ! We all know the UK enters poor songs / singers so do many of the others, let's face it even the winning song / singers performance would have struggled on the cheesy X Factor :thumbsup:

The issue here is not about winning and losing but the embarrassing way in which points are scored, any other competition and there would be an enquiry ! We all know the UK enters poor songs / singers so do many of the others, let's face it even the winning song / singers performance would have struggled on the cheesy X Factor :thumbsup:

Did you know that they changed the way the points were scored this year, after complaints about previous competitions?

Cyprus gets 12pts from Greece
Greece gets 12pts from Albania, Cyprus, 10pts from Serbia (orthodox brothers)
These are just a couple of examples !

Israel, you have a case; Russia is a largely European country, and definitively of European origin (it was Muscovy that conquered the Asian steppes, not the other way around).

Only eastern russia is in europe, the rest of russia is in asia. Therefore russia is a transcontinental country and is situated in Eurasia.

yes we should..............cos its crap always has been always will be

I think Oi Polloi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oi_Polloi)should be our entrant next year.

I think Oi Polloi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oi_Polloi)should be our entrant next year.
lol

ive met deek.......at a gig at the 1 in 12 club, i gave him a bite of my veggie burger for a 7" record :P

I think we should enter Sheffield Forum's very own Tyranna, especially after her amazing performance in Britain's Got The X Factor. Europe wouldn't know what'd hit them!

Only eastern russia is in europe, the rest of russia is in asia. Therefore russia is a transcontinental country and is situated in Eurasia.

None of which contradicts my post, and none of which is particularly relevant to this thread.

Only eastern russia is in europe, the rest of russia is in asia. Therefore russia is a transcontinental country and is situated in Eurasia.

Isn't Turkey in both Europe and Asia?

Isn't Turkey in both Europe and Asia?

I believe it is, but we were discussing russia not turkey.:)

I believe it is, but we were discussing russia not turkey.:)

The point I was making was that are countries that are in both continents. Western Russia is in Europe, Eastern Russia is in Asia.

And it's all beside the point anyway, as you don't need to be in Europe to be a member of the EBU, which is where the competitors for Eurovision come from.

I honestly don't care that we came last but I can see the reasons why. Yes there's all the politics that usually happens but that not the only reason we usually fail.

Our entries for years now have just been X-factor-wannabe kareoke singers and they get chosen because they are the most marketable i.e. pretty. The quality of the song they sing is a distant second when it comes to deciding who represents us.

If we want to do better we should not only pick people who can sing but people who have GOOD SONGS to sing. If that means they are pug-ugly then so be it.

Germany won because their song was irritatingly catchy rather than just plain irritating.

Get Kylie Minogue to represent the UK and we stand a chance.

I think we should just enter Leona Lewis

Giggiddy! :hihi:

If we really want to win, send Iron Maiden and have done with it! Practically every country in Europe has a metal scene and they'd storm it.

It just seems to me that the powers that be don't want us to win. Otherwise we'd have made a decent effort by now.

We normally get a good score from Ireland but even they gave up on us this year.Pete Waterman has done tons better stuff than that-maybe he ought to stick to steam trains...

I'm not sure anything could top this crap for naff UK entry. (http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=3033767776814775306#)

White bloke in his 30's trying to rap whilst surrounded by "schoolgirls"


Wrong in so many ways. :D

I think we should just enter Leona Lewis , she would blow the opposition away sorted.

or sue bo well known by half the world and can hold a tune

Yes but sue bo would get booted out of bed , but Leona she would get her side warmed up

For an interesting perspective on Eurovision, Look up the Band 'Georgia Wonder', and their Eurovision experience. It basically tells how they were invited to take part as an act, but then the powers that be attempted to control what they did, and give them a song that wasn't one of theirs to sing for it. I think it shows that we should definitely stay in the Eurovision, but we need to be more experimental. Just do whatever, treat it as a chance to show off some unusual musical talent that resides in the UK!

Is it time for a cultural reassesment of the career of Pete Waterman?

Is it time for a cultural reassesment of the career of Pete Waterman?

he plays with choo choo trains leave him to it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9DeH43Ra3g&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCHNHiADRxo&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=645-i_3ZwHU&feature=fvst

i have no idea what relevance this competition has now ?

i have no idea what relevance this competition has now ?

It never was relevant, at least to us. It was only invented as a vehicle to show off the zingy new (at the time) live broadcast link ups across the continent. Using a song competition meant the language barrier didn't matter so much (hence the popularity of la-la ding dong boom bang nonsense lyrics). It still has the feel of an international get together which even people who hate it get something out of, even if it's just feeling a buzz of righteous outrage. Many countries take it very seriously to help the profile of their country and their music acts, but the UK and its music have been successful internationally in their own right so for us it's always been more of a curiosity than an attempt to impress.

I've not watched this for ages