I wonder if there are those who agree with me than the murder of white people in this country does not get the same attention as white on black murder.
Below is just one example of how we in my party are trying to get the media and the police to accept that we have double standards when it comes to white deaths at the hands of ethnics.
I hope to be attending this meeting and it will be very intersting to see if the BBC give us fair coverahe just for once.
7th September 2005

News article filed by BNP news team



BNP conference gets go ahead in Manchester






The BNP is delighted to announce that we have secured a prestigious venue for our forthcoming international conference about anti-white racism.

Guests from as far afield as South Africa, France, Netherlands and the southern states of the US will be joining with delegates from a number of chosen UK organisations to discuss this challenging issue with a working title of The Hidden Holocaust: Anti-White Racism and Murder in the 21st century.

Home of Halle Orchestra

We have secured the exclusive Bridgewater Hall in central Manchester which is the home of the world renowned Halle Orchestra for the conference which is scheduled for Saturday 15th October. Attendance is by invitation only but interested supporters, members of the public and journalists should contact either a Regional Organiser or our enquiries team to have their names listed for consideration.

We hope to have a spokesman from the Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) and the BBC present at the conference to discuss our concerns that white victims of racist murder do not receive the same levels of interest in the media and justice for the families.

Murder victims

It is fitting and appropriate that Greater Manchester Council have agreed to our choice of venue because two of the white victims of racist murder come from the city. Gavin Hopley was just 19 at the time of his murder in February 2002. The Oldham teenager was struck on the back of the head in the Glodwick area of Oldham after being chased by a gang of young Pakistani men. No one has ever been brought to account for Gavin’s murder. In 2003 eight Pakistani Muslim men were sentenced to between six and 9 months for violent disorder as a result of the attack. Then in December 2003, the last suspect to stand trial was acquitted, after a ‘witness’ came forward at the last minute after having remembered that the “suspect” was working in his Indian restaurant that night. Now Greater Manchester Police have announced that the investigation into the murder of Gavin Hopley “is now closed.”

Second victim, Lee Martin, a young soldier from the 1st King’s Regiment was savagely beaten outside a take-away in Chorlton-cum-Hardy in a violent racist attack. The 21 year-old had just graduated with honours at his army training camp in Catterick, North Yorkshire, and had received a Best Endeavour award for a solo mission into ‘enemy’ territory while fighting in Iraq.

His bravery earned him an extra week’s leave from commanding officers but within days of returning home to Chorlton he was beaten savagely by two men outside a take-away on Wilbraham Road. One witness described how the two thugs repeatedly kicked Lee’s head like a football, “as if they were running up to take a spot-kick”. Lee never regained consciousness and after eight days in a coma, he died of a brain haemorrhage at Salford’s Hope Hospital on Tuesday, April 13th. His killers still haven’t been found.

Nearly 90 white murder victims

We have mentioned here just two victims of racist murder but there have been nearly 90 white victims of racist murder since the publication of the MacPherson Report in 1999. The misleadingly titled Institute for Race Relations has published its own list of victims of racist murder and only one white victim is listed – that of Kriss Donald, the 15 year old schoolboy abducted from the streets of Glasgow in a random attack by a gang of Pakistani Muslims, simply because he was white.

The BNP sponsored conference will examine the bias of the establishment media in reporting cases of racist murder and aim to answer the key question, what can we do to bring about change in the media’s coverage of racist violence?

Originally posted by royjames
I wonder if there are those who agree with me than the murder of white people in this country does not get the same attention as white on black murder......

.........Nearly 90 white murder victims..........

..........The BNP sponsored conference will examine the bias of the establishment media in reporting cases of racist murder and aim to answer the key question, what can we do to bring about change in the media’s coverage of racist violence? ...........

Are there more whites murdered by ethnic groups than vice versa?

Whether there is or not, to call this "The Hidden Holocaust: Anti-White Racism and Murder in the 21st century" is absolutely ridiculous. Exactly the kind of sensational nonsense that opens the BNP up to ridicule. (Especially when their members are caught on camera inciting racial hatred).

Murder is murder, no matter who commited the crime, who cares whats shown on the news, its just bad full stop.

Oh my god, roy you are to liberal lefties what Dr Paislry is to the IRA. Every time you speak people will turn away from your ideas.

I am always surprised when people are shocked that ethnic minorities can be racist. Guess what all people are capible of bad things and that unfortunatly includes racism. Why should anyone be different because of the colour of their skin, or do we expect higher standerds of ethnic minorities?

I for one don't pre judge peoples behavior on their colour of skin. It does not matter what creed, sex, age, colour or religion people are, they are capable of good things or bad things

I am glad to see that you are joining in helping to society remove the ugly scar of racism.

Originally posted by JFKvsNixon
I am always surprised when people are shocked that ethnic minorities can be racist. Guess what all people are capible of bad things and that unfortunatly includes racism. Why should anyone be different because of the colour of their skin, or do we expect higher standerds of ethnic minorities? . I don't think anyone is surprised. It would be very naive to suggest ethnic minorities are incapable of racism. What the BNP is trying to do though is demonise minorities (as usual).

Originally posted by JFKvsNixon
I am glad to see that you are joining in helping to society remove the ugly scar of racism. Who are you referring to?

I was sort of agreeing with you, and trying to point out the irony of the BNP complaing of unfair treatment due to skin colour.

Originally posted by JFKvsNixon
I was sort of agreeing with you, and trying to point out the irony of the BNP complaing of unfair treatment due to skin colour.

Ahh, I see. Tis late and Agent Gypo is confused.

Originally posted by Agent Gypo
Ahh, I see. Tis late and Agent Gypo is confused.

At least you're not making us guess what is in your pocket this time.

Wilf

Originally posted by BrainThrust
At least you're not making us guess what is in your pocket this time.

Wilf

Keep your eyes peeled, that's going to change soon. I've had a chat with JoeP.....

Originally posted by royjames

Below is just one example of how we in my party are trying to get the media and the police to accept that we have double standards when it comes to white deaths at the hands of ethnics.


:huh: There is no such word as "ethnics". Grammatically, it is also "we in our party" not "we in my party".

I hope royjames does not mind me pointing out these basic errors in his post - he surely doesn't want forummers thinking the BNP membership is comprised of illiterates.......as well as the nazis, racists and bigots?

Isn't their rules against posting politcal adverts such as this, even if they are so cleverly disguised behind an abstract title. But I don't supose it matters as this event will never take place.

"The Hidden Holocaust".... I'm not sure if I should laugh or cry. How the BNP can draw comparison with 90 murdered white people with an attempt at exterminating an entire race of people completely dumbfounds me. Incredible.

Originally posted by Agent Gypo
"The Hidden Holocaust".... I'm not sure if I should laugh or cry. How the BNP can draw comparison with 90 murdered white people with an attempt at exterminating an entire race of people completely dumbfounds me. Incredible.

Easy according to Nick Griffin the holocaust is just a hoax. So I suspect Roy James and Co. can easily think that more people have died in this anti-white 'genocide' then in what the BNP so tastefully refer to as the Holo-hoax

Do the BNP recognise that the Holocaust happened?

Originally posted by JFKvsNixon
Do the BNP recognise that the Holocaust happened? Well Nick Griffin has a conviction for publishing a revisionist pamphlet but lately they have been trying to keep their anti-semitism under wraps (very unsuccesfully however). I suspect choosing such an openly anti-semitic title may be due to the involvment of the more overtly anti-semtic american groups involved in organising this rally.

Originally posted by Disco_Cat
Easy according to Nick Griffin the holocaust is just a hoax. So I suspect Roy James and Co. can easily think that more people have died in this anti-white 'genocide' then in what the BNP so tastefully refer to as the Holo-hoax

Is the murder of 6 million Jews something we should consider a prank? Or perhaps it was just an accident.

Originally posted by Agent Gypo
Is the murder of 6 million Jews something we should consider a prank?

The BNP line supported by Roy James protégée Our_heritage is that the Holocaust never took place, the hoax is that the evil Jews have used the myth of the holocaust to further the destruction of the white race. I certainly don’t think the holocaust is in anyway a joke or a hoax, but then I guess that’s why I, like all decent people, will have nothing whatsoever to do with Roy James and his vile anti-Semitism.

Originally posted by royjames
The BNP is delighted to announce that we have secured a prestigious venue for our forthcoming international conference about anti-white racism.

We have secured the exclusive Bridgewater Hall in central Manchester which is the home of the world renowned Halle Orchestra for the conference which is scheduled for Saturday 15th October. Attendance is by invitation only but interested supporters, members of the public and journalists should contact either a Regional Organiser or our enquiries team to have their names listed for consideration.


Well I've checked the Bridgewater Hall listings for 15 October bookings - and as far I can see, there is no comedy show on that day. :confused:

Originally posted by royjames

Guests from as far afield as South Africa, France, Netherlands and the southern states of the US will be joining with delegates from a number of chosen UK organisations to discuss this challenging issue with a working title of The Hidden Holocaust: Anti-White Racism and Murder in the 21st century.


Please do tell us who the "chosen UK organisations" are. Combat 18 invited? The Klu Klux Klan? Why the secrecy?


Originally posted by royjames

We hope to have a spokesman from the Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) and the BBC present at the conference .....

In your dreams.........in your dreams. :loopy:

How I love to read these threads.
Problem is that they don't last too long before being erased.

Is this thread about the racist murders or is it an advertisment by Roy to show that they are having a meeting?

If it is about Racist Murders the I would say that there have been many racial attacks on both sides where only the ones against so called ethnic minorities have been singled out by the media as being newsworthy.

It is tragic that we do have a one sided media view of these murders and attacks but I recall a thread being posted not too long ago that discussed the issue at length.

I take it that apart from the initial copy n paste post that there will be nothing more of any value regarding the issue coming from Roy.

Roy does have a point however - attacks (in this case murder) against whites by non-whites are generally just 'general murder' whereas attacks on 'non-whites' by 'whites' are always racially motivated. But its not the victim that decides whether it is racially motivated but the media.

Perhaps Roy and his party's first battle should be with the media to get equitable representation. :thumbsup:

Don't react to this thread people - it's just 'bait'.

Recognising the difference in the skin colour of the populus for any purpose other than to point out the variety of life is unecessary, and often just racist - revealing the insecurities and/or misunderstandings and plain old simple-mindedness of whoever did it, IMHO.
Big freaking deal, we're different colour to each other... I think that's kinda cool. If people are stupid enough to use someone's skin colour as a justification for any kind of violence and/or hated they are a sandwhich sort of a picnic and should be locked up in my opinion.

Redrobbo,JFKvsNixon,AgentGypo Disco-Cat and anyone else I haven't mentioned ..........
It truly gladdens my heart that we have the likes of you guys on here to take issue with royjames' ludicrous nonsense.
Could not agree more that to call this meeting "The hidden Holocaust" is both utterly absurd and deeply unpleasant.
The death of anyone through murder is dreadful,but to equate the racially motivated murder of anyone in this country (regardless of their ethnic origin) with the systematic attempt to eradicate a whole people is ridiculous.
I challenged royjames on another thread to share with us his views on the Holocaust - response? Nil. And then we get this bilge.
Forget which one of you it was that said it but you were absolutely right - royjames has to the worst publicist the BNP have in their armoury of erudite thinkers and skilled debaters.........(In the other thread he said he wasn't going to dignify my query about the disabled,gypsys' etc with an answer...............c'mon on roy admit it - the BNP wanna kill 'em at birth. Clue in his choice of words " invalids " - oh roy,oh dear oh dear.)
Halibut

Originally posted by Agent Gypo
Is the murder of 6 million Jews something we should consider a prank? Or perhaps it was just an accident. the holocaust was the worst thing to happen in the 20th century but the figures have been revised

shmuel krakowsky, head of research at israel's yad vashem memorial for jewish victims of the holocaust said in 1995 that the correct figures,based on nazi records, the red cross and post war records of missing persons was 960,000

the museum has adjusted the figures, and plaques at aushwitcz ,belson etc woul be removed and adjusted.

the murder of any one is an outrage, no matter what their race,creed or colour, be it by the nazi,s, the dissafected terrorist, hate groups or one person acting against another.

Originally posted by Agent Gypo
Is the murder of 6 million Jews something we should consider a prank? Or perhaps it was just an accident.

The Germans killed more Russians than Jews. People always forget that - was that not an equally appauling act?

The rest of Roys thread maybe an advert, so what?
If you don't want to go, stay at home & pour hate out on here, simple.

At least someones tackiling a very real issue in our society.

I wonder if there are those who agree with me than the murder of white people in this country does not get the same attention as white on black murder.
Below is just one example of how we in my party are trying to get the media and the police to accept that we have double standards when it comes to white deaths at the hands of ethnics.
I hope to be attending this meeting and it will be very intersting to see if the BBC give us fair coverahe just for once.


Is the issue, can we agree or disagree that the media is biased or not? And maybe even dare to discuss WHY?

Since all the usual "nothing-usefull-to-add-but scorn-and-bile" lot have vomited up their 'opinions' already, we can assume their arsenal is spent & expect to hear nothing from their camp again?

This is a debate that needs a platform. It happens. It needs addressing.

Someone has to address it. :thumbsup:

Thankyou.

You are very very nice people.

Originally posted by Agent Gypo
Is the murder of 6 million Jews something we should consider a prank? Or perhaps it was just an accident.

Its always the Jews have the monopoly on bleeding hearts, what about the Slovaks, Poles, Gypsies, Russians etc etc etc?

That was then.
History.

This is now.
Happening.

You may even be a victim of it yourself - tomorrow is another day.


And look what the Jews are doing TODAY? Or is that acceptable?

Originally posted by JonJParr
Don't react to this thread people - it's just 'bait'.

Hear, hear.....

Originally posted by JFKvsNixon
Do the BNP recognise that the Holocaust happened? i would think that every one knows it happened,the guilty were punished,time moves on,todays issues are what matters now,genocide is still happening in the world,in our time,not sixty years ago.

any murder should be treated with the same media attention,ive no doubt the police try just as hard to catch a white murderer as they do any other colour.

the media makes money out of pushing racism,be it murder,riots,rapes or muggings,if they cant find any of that then the royals or the celebs get a pasting, not to mention mp's

good news doesnt sell papers

Interesting thread this one because in some ways there is an element of truth in what Mr James is referring to. One can’t help think that if somebody else had posted it, it may have taken a different direction.

I live on Merseyside and as many of you probably saw, a few weeks ago an 18 year old black youth was horrifically murdered in a park after being attacked by a gang of white youths. The victims skull was smashed using an axe and quite rightly the murder attracted massive news coverage which has culminated in the attackers being arrested. I say quite rightly, not because of the coverage of this being a racial attack but the fact that an innocent 18 year old youth was brutally murdered in such a way. There has been much local speculation that if he wasn’t black or he was a black murdered by other blacks then the media would have relegated this story to the inside pages, the national media may not have even bothered to report it at all. There is a feeling that the act of murder in this country has become desensitised (if that’s a real word) and in order to make it newsworthy there has to be an angle applied to it. One of these angles is to portray it as racially motivated, the danger however is that by continually doing this the media will drive a further wedge between the white, black or asian populations. By continuing, blacks and Asians will come to believe that their lives are constantly in danger from gangs of whites, while whites will come to believe that any attacks on them by non-whites will be disregarded. In then steps your friendly neighbourhood BNP to ‘stand up’ for the rights of whites and some equally repugnant extremist group will step in for the non-whites.

Despite the best efforts of Roy and his band, it is a fact that ethnic groups are here to stay in the UK. These groups will spawn gangs who will go around attacking both whites and non-whites, equally we will have our own white trash going around doing the same. The media needs now to consider its responsibilities, its duty even, to give balanced coverage of all news and not pander to sensationalism, the prejudices of the NUJ and the greed of its owners. Sadly, I’m not going to hold my breath though!

Originally posted by JonJParr
Don't react to this thread people - it's just 'bait'.

Agreed. Any thread started by, how can I put it, our more suspicious forum members that contains the terms 'the truth' or 'the facts' is usually enough to stop me from reading further...

So if it had been started by an 'out' one legged single parent it would be worthy of discussion?

Listen to yourselves. :loopy:

It is a real problem!

To hell with the thread starter, that's irrelevant :roll:

Originally posted by daverity
There has been much local speculation that if he wasn’t black or he was a black murdered by other blacks then the media would have relegated this story to the inside pages, the national media may not have even bothered to report it at all. There is a feeling that the act of murder in this country has become desensitised (if that’s a real word) and in order to make it newsworthy there has to be an angle applied to it.

This actually makes a lot of sense.

I was living in Liverpool during the nineties, when many Somalian refugees arrived in Toxteth after fleeing the civil war there (Toxteth (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1419981.stm), for those who don't know, is a poor, predominantly non-white area of Liverpool, and the scene of riots back in 1981)

There were instances of black-on-black violence caused by friction between the local blacks and Somalians, including fights and possibly a stabbing (I'm not 100% sure).

Was any of that reported in the local or national press? Mind you, I had my suspicions about the Liverpool Echo back then...


Originally posted by daverity
One of these angles is to portray it as racially motivated, the danger however is that by continually doing this the media will drive a further wedge between the white, black or asian populations. By continuing, blacks and Asians will come to believe that their lives are constantly in danger from gangs of whites, while whites will come to believe that any attacks on them by non-whites will be disregarded.

In then steps your friendly neighbourhood BNP to ‘stand up’ for the rights of whites and some equally repugnant extremist group will step in for the non-whites..

I still have relatives in Liverpool, and I will admit to being more worried after hearing that the murder did appear to racially motivated, rather than if it was simply youths of any description killing each other over drugs.

Speaking as one who watches the local North-West news, I must say that the coverage of the axe murder of the black lad in Liverpool has received far more coverage than any other murder I've seen in a long time.

Whether that's because an axe was used I can't say.

What I can say is that a Chinese takeaway owner was beaten to death by a gang of teenagers a few months before and that only got two mentions.

As I said earlier, this subject was spoken about in the 18yr old black boy murdered with axe thread.

Thanks del but I for one missed it, and probably many more newbies who may like to comment - but perhaps daren't for fear of being bullied by the forum elite. :D

yep - if you say anything the 'elite' don't like - its off to some bizarre forum with you never to see the light of day again:thumbsup:

Sounds to me like there a few who get bitter if they don't win an argument.

We like to have cogent debate, but introverted rhetoric ranting tends to get seen for what it is don't you think ;)


Now, can we get back to the point of the thread?

Originally posted by Internetowl
yep - if you say anything the 'elite' don't like - its off to some bizarre forum with you never to see the light of day again:thumbsup:
I think we have around 6 months of darkness coming anyway and I guess this is a rather bizarre forum to start with so I must have said something wrong!

I just googled the name of Stephen Lawrence and got page after page of news on it,I then googled the name of Lee Martin the young soldgier killed by you know who and guess what,thats right NOTHING about his murder.
Double standards are the norm these days and its time it was addressed,we intend to keep up the pressure on the media to treat EVERY murder the same and not to pit one community against another.
We want fairness in the coverage and thats all.

Originally posted by Internetowl
The Germans killed more Russians than Jews. People always forget that - was that not an equally appauling act?

I don't think people forget that no - however there were a couple of differences between the plight of the Jews and the Russians. Firstly Germany was at war with Russia whereas the Jews were a political scapegoat for Germanies political and economic problems and secondly there was a concerted effort to eradicate the Jews rather than fighting against them.

This is not saying that the deaths of the Russians was a laudable thing in any way shape or form merelay that the two events are not really comparable.

Originally posted by royjames
I just googled the name of Stephen Lawrence and got page after page of news on it,I then googled the name of Lee Martin the young soldgier killed by you know who and guess what,thats right NOTHING about his murder.
Double standards are the norm these days and its time it was addressed,we intend to keep up the pressure on the media to treat EVERY murder the same and not to pit one community against another.
We want fairness in the coverage and thats all.
The problem you have is that an Englishman in the UK cannot be discriminated against in the eyes of the law.
However, If an English man says something that is not deemed to be PC about a person that is of a minority....it is construed as being discrimination or racist in context.

I have said before that if anyone needs to lay a complaint of racial discrimination and is British, you are lost with the first question that is asked on the report form from the police.

THe question is: From what Ethnic Minority are you?

Sort of shows the double standards up straight away.

This is a issue that does need to be aired and I suppose because I was the one who brought it up it gets the usual silly comments from our left wing contingent.
Like I said this is serious stuff so before people start giving out the usual abuse directed at me (,which by the way doesnt bother me in the slightest,) they ought to realise it could affect anyone and everyone on here.
Its LEGITAMATE concern to some people.

Originally posted by royjames
I hope to be attending this meeting and it will be very intersting to see if the BBC give us fair coverahe just for once.
7th September 2005

News article filed by BNP news team



BNP conference gets go ahead in Manchester


It's now been canceled (after the venue owners found out who was organising it)...

Details BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/4227246.stm).

Now that realy is out of order!

THey should at least be allowed the same rights as anyone else.

Pity though.....sort of undermines the thread content a little.

Roy a few questions.

Any facts on these 90 racists murders against whites are they just white people murdered by non-white people?

As for the soldier. Any facts about it being racially motivated ?

also I hope the BNP are going to publicise the fact that there are a lot more white vs ethnic minoirty attacks than vice versa? Just in the pursuit of truth whicch is obvioulsy high up on the BNP agenda

nice to see you have some international visitors. From those renowned diverse peoples of South Africa and the Southern US. France and The Netherlands aren't much better. Maybe if you had more publicity from delegates from more tolerent countries it would serve you better?

no mention of racism here (http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/news/s/134/134601_help_catch_the_men_who_killed_my_lee_.html)

Originally posted by depoix
the holocaust was the worst thing to happen in the 20th century but the figures have been revised

shmuel krakowsky, head of research at israel's yad vashem memorial for jewish victims of the holocaust said in 1995 that the correct figures,based on nazi records, the red cross and post war records of missing persons was 960,000

the museum has adjusted the figures, and plaques at aushwitcz ,belson etc woul be removed and adjusted.

the murder of any one is an outrage, no matter what their race,creed or colour, be it by the nazi,s, the dissafected terrorist, hate groups or one person acting against another.

I didn't know that. That's quite a difference. Were there not also a significant number of non-jews murdered in nazi concentration camps?

Dear me not a very good couple of days for our Roy, his big meeting that he was so proud and excited about has been cancelled almost as soon as he announced it and on top of this his friend Angela Clarke, a BNP councillor, has been charged with resisting arrest and assaulting a police officer. Maybe the BNP should try and sort out violence and disorder from their own councillors before they try and organise rallies.

Originally posted by Agent Gypo
I didn't know that. That's quite a difference. Were there not also a significant number of non-jews murdered in nazi concentration camps? according to the report there were 75000 poles,around 23000 gypsys and 15000 russian prisoners of war, plus the infirm, the disabled, and the mentaly unfit.

Maybe the BNP could stop trying to hide their true colours. They should go the whole hog for their meeting and try to hire a place in nuremberg. At least some of the guests will not have far to visit

Whilst I don't agree with Roy James's policies, he highlights quite a valid point about media representation of racist attacks. It "does" happen that white people are attacked by non-whites in racist attacks which aren't reported in such a sensationalist manner. How do we tackle that?

Isn`t it interesting that the venue for the meeting is at the home of the Halle Orchestra.
Named after Charles Halle a German born composer who changed his name from Karl :suspect:
:hihi:

Originally posted by Disco_Cat
Dear me not a very good couple of days for our Roy, his big meeting that he was so proud and excited about has been cancelled almost as soon as he announced it and on top of this his friend Angela Clarke, a BNP councillor, has been charged with resisting arrest and assaulting a police officer. Maybe the BNP should try and sort out violence and disorder from their own councillors before they try and organise rallies.

Why has the meeting been cancelled? Just had a look on the British Nazi Party site and there is no mention of the cancellation. :confused:

there new team must be out beating up immigrants:D

Originally posted by Patchy
Why has the meeting been cancelled? Just had a look on the British Nazi Party site and there is no mention of the cancellation. :confused:

m y god such silly comments do nothing for your case do they??
As to the meeting being cancelled well that democracy for you aint it:loopy: musnt have anyone who has a different view to the establishment,its simply NOT allowed.
Democracy and free speech,what a joke that really is in this country,STALIN OR HITLER WOULD BE PROUD.

As Robbie said, where's the evidence that any of these white on black murders were racist? Or that the black on white ones were racist? Not everyone mentally segregates people like this Roy, not even all murderers, as it happens.

Cancelling the booking is nothing to do with free speech, or any such threat to democoacy. The hall owners/management just don't want to be associated with the BNP's message.

Originally posted by royjames
I just googled the name of Stephen Lawrence and got page after page of news on it,I then googled the name of Lee Martin the young soldgier killed by you know who and guess what,thats right NOTHING about his murder.
Double standards are the norm these days and its time it was addressed,we intend to keep up the pressure on the media to treat EVERY murder the same and not to pit one community against another.
We want fairness in the coverage and thats all.

I've just googled the name of Lee Martin too. Guess what - there are 50,100,000 entries! How long did you wade through that lot royjames to discover "NOTHING about his murder"? :suspect:

Originally posted by Fishpole
Whilst I don't agree with Roy James's policies, he highlights quite a valid point about media representation of racist attacks. It "does" happen that white people are attacked by non-whites in racist attacks which aren't reported in such a sensationalist manner. How do we tackle that?

It doesn't. You're wrong. So we don't need to tackle it.

The fact is that royjames' politics are the politics of fear. No other party hangs it's hat on the fact that it is scared of people. Forget what he says, and love the fact that we live in the best place in the world. Come on Roy, where is better than here?

Originally posted by Toby
It doesn't. You're wrong. So we don't need to tackle it.

The fact is that royjames' politics are the politics of fear. No other party hangs it's hat on the fact that it is scared of people. Forget what he says, and love the fact that we live in the best place in the world. Come on Roy, where is better than here?
Cant say fairer than that.

Originally posted by royjames
Democracy and free speech,what a joke that really is in this country,STALIN OR HITLER WOULD BE PROUD.

Why don't you emigrate?

You could seek asylum in another country where you wouldn't be victimised for your views!

(like Germany, 1939).






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There seems to be a lot of confusion about the Holocaust. The figures mentioned , as regards Jews , Gypsies , Russians and Poles were only concerned with Auschwitz.
Immediately after the war , it was assumed that 3 million Jews had been killed at Aushwitz , not least , because the ex-Commandant of the camp , Rudolf Hoess , had claimed as much , in his written confession , before he was executed in his , "own" camp.
Later , when a more accurate way of calculating the numbers was available , the figures were revised downwards to around 1 million Jews and plus of course other groups . It was a very difficult task , as in the chaos of the later days at Auschwitz , many prisoners were not registered or some were even given a second number , for various reasons.
However , there were literally hundreds of other concentration camps , murderous labour camps and 4 or 5 other major extermination camps . At Treblinka extermination camp , alone , 800,000 Jews were put to death in about 2 years . In addition of course , before the camps , there had been , 'Special Action ' groups that had executed hundreds of thousands of people in Russia , in the open air . It was so grisly that it was thought , by the Nazis that camps would be more discreet and more humane !
I don't see that the exact numbers are very important . Millions of East Europeans , and many West Europeans were killed , cold bloodedly in the 2nd. World War , for all kinds of reasons.
I , personally , think the evidence from all sources is too overwhelming for it not to be broadly true. I can't understand , really why some people on the Right deny it all . It's possible to have right-wing views and not be a Nazi or a Fascist.

Originally posted by Fareast
There seems to be a lot of confusion about the Holocaust. The figures mentioned , as regards Jews , Gypsies , Russians and Poles were only concerned with Auschwitz.
Immediately after the war , it was assumed that 3 million Jews had been killed at Aushwitz , not least , because the ex-Commandant of the camp , Rudolf Hoess , had claimed as much , in his written confession , before he was executed in his , "own" camp.
Later , when a more accurate way of calculating the numbers was available , the figures were revised downwards to around 1 million Jews and plus of course other groups . It was a very difficult task , as in the chaos of the later days at Auschwitz , many prisoners were not registered or some were even given a second number , for various reasons.
However , there were literally hundreds of other concentration camps , murderous labour camps and 4 or 5 other major extermination camps . At Treblinka extermination camp , alone , 800,000 Jews were put to death in about 2 years . In addition of course , before the camps , there had been , 'Special Action ' groups that had executed hundreds of thousands of people in Russia , in the open air . It was so grisly that it was thought , by the Nazis that camps would be more discreet and more humane !
I don't see that the exact numbers are very important . Millions of East Europeans , and many West Europeans were killed , cold bloodedly in the 2nd. World War , for all kinds of reasons.
I , personally , think the evidence from all sources is too overwhelming for it not to be broadly true. I can't understand , really why some people on the Right deny it all . It's possible to have right-wing views and not be a Nazi or a Fascist.

Yeah.

But to be fair to Royjames this thread is about the perception that 'racist murders' are only ever publicised from a one sided point of view in Britain.

Originally posted by Deavon
Yeah.

But to be fair to Royjames this thread is about the perception that 'racist murders' are only ever publicised from a one sided point of view in Britain.

As Derek pointed out this issue of a perceived media bias was addressed quite extensively when Roy was on holiday once with his immigrant girlfriend
http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?postid=525792#post525792


Their was a case I think in Leeds sometime last year where a white guy walking home was beaten nearly to death by a gang of three men using wooden planks, the initial news reports did not mention the race of the suspects and so the BNP pond scum on various web forums started to speculate that the attackers must be black and that this was another example of the Jewish controlled media’s bias against the master race. (In the same way they instantly assumed that Anthony Walker was murdered by a gang of Muslims because the initial news reports mentioned his ethnicity and religion but not that of the suspects, no I don’t understand their logic either)

When the Police released a photo fit of three white suspects the internet chatter disappeared immediately, suddenly the BNP did not care about this victim of a horrific attack because their was no way they could exploit the crime to further their racist aims. Nearly all news sources carried the appeal for witness or information on the suspects but the BNP ‘news’ website did not mention any of this. In contrast on the occasions when the police are looking for black suspects for an attack on white victims the BNP ‘news’ service always provides details of the crimes and appeals. So Roy If you are looking for some bias regarding the reporting of crimes I think the fact your party only cares about victims of crime when you can exploit them for your twisted political ends is one of the clearest examples I’ve ever seen.

The BNP ‘news’ site unsurprisingly failed to update people recently when this poor lad made a remarkable recovery, despite missing much of his skull. They also failed to inform the party faithful that this boy’s life had infact been saved by a Muslim waiter who had at great risk to himself intervened, chased off the attackers and called an ambulance. Again you talk of bias reporting, may I ask why did the BNP choose not report this act of incredibly heroism by a Muslim acting to save the life of a young white man. Could it be dare I say it that the BNP are greatly bias against Muslims perhaps?


Also Roy since when has it been anti-democratic for a private business to decide it does not what to play host to a neo-nazi rally?

Well put Disco, I would like to add that when I was a candidate, I organised an open meeting at a place I used to frequent and I was always welcome, Untill the meeting took place.

I did give the gist of the content in another thread that made me walk out and I have never returned even after giving apologies to the owner.

The fact is, any private place has the right to allow or refuse entry to anyone that they wish.
It has nothing to do with freedom of speech or democracy.

This whole racist media thing has been going on for a long time and has not just appeared over the last couple of years.
I could say that it was newsworthy back in the early 60's when we imported bus drivers for Sheffield as they were a real minority then but things have changed over the years and acceptance of these changes are the norm.

Does it matter what colour a person is when they are killed or maimed, they are all human beings?

I have friends that are African and Jamaican yet their colour is not evident when I am having a pint with them and the same goes for a white person.
My daughter in law is Indonesian, Would she be allowed to live here in peace with the BNP around?

I find it funny that a person who advocates repatriation of all foreigners, Has a foreign girlfriend.
Is this a case of double standards or is this just a ploy to show that they are tollerant only to those that they consider are worthy?

http://scot.altermedia.info/insecurity-ethnic-mixing/justice-for-gavin-hopley_399.html

This shows the attack on mr hopley to be racist in its nature.

Originally posted by royjames
http://scot.altermedia.info/insecurity-ethnic-mixing/justice-for-gavin-hopley_399.html

This shows the attack on mr hopley to be racist in its nature.


Erm, the website is that of "Altermedia. For people of European descent".

WTF? But hey, it sounds impartial to me, roy m8e. I'd believe everything they told me!!

:thumbsup:

Ok what about these then??
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/freesaxon/racehate.htm

Originally posted by royjames
Ok what about these then??http://homepage.ntlworld.com/freesaxon/racehate.htm

Originally posted by SHsheff
Erm, the website is that of Free Saxon: Europeans WAKE UP!
WTF? But hey, it sounds impartial to me, roy m8e. I'd believe everything they told me!!

:thumbsup:


apologies for slightly editing your comment

Originally posted by royjames
Ok what about these then??
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/freesaxon/racehate.htm

Ermmm have you seen his homepage - "dedicated to the preservation of white folks worldwide" - not exactly a ballanced view is it?

I especially liked They call it multiculturalism, but it's genocide by another name. - no frothing scare-mungoring there then!!!

Saved me the bother of posting another comment just the same as the first, Disco_Cat!

Originally posted by redrobbo
I've just googled the name of Lee Martin too. Guess what - there are 50,100,000 entries! How long did you wade through that lot royjames to discover "NOTHING about his murder"? :suspect:

well to be fair...every result on first page is about stephen lawrence...and nothing on first 3 pages (i got bored) is to do about lee martin.

i think a lot of people view anything roy posts with the only thing in there mind is to disagree or pick at his posts...if they cant agree with him or think of a reason why to disagree they pick at his grammer or something even more stupid.

and roy....sometimes you do yourself no favours in your posting...because to a point a agree that the coverage is not as much if its the other way round...but as ever things get sidetracked into bnp issues etc.

although im quite sure i would not care or agree with most of roy james's posts, at least i read them and view them as a single post from a forum member...NOT...oh its roy james...i'll slag off everything he does even though i have no view on the subject.

(p.s. the same can be said for slimsid's posts.... always turns to views on a person...and not views on the topic)

One thing I admire RoyJames for is his ability to keep a cool head in the midst of all the personal attacks he has to put up with.
I must say that I'm not a member of the BNP , never have been , never attended one of their meetings .....etc......
Also , I disagree with Roy about the , 'Smoking ' question .
However , having said that , the problems I think he addresses has some valid points.
Not only have a large number of people , legal and illegal , arrived in our country in the past 30 years but we are all told by a large section of the media that we should , 'respect' every culture and religioun that now exists in the U.K.
This is absolute tripe and probably causes more racial tension than any other single issue. What do they mean by , 'respect' ? The Krays were into , 'respect' , when they actually meant , 'fear '. Do they mean , 'recognise ' ?
"Respect ' implies some kind of admiration plus recognition , if the English language means anything at all. The vast majority of English people resent being told or advised who they should , 'respect '. I , for one don't respect Islam or Christianity or any other religion for that matter. I've worked for 10 yearts in Muslim countries and the people there are really nice and I think , generally the Islamic way of life works well for them ......but .......I don't think it's suitable in Britain and I don't admire it , over and above our ethics or morals , where they exist .
A lot of people in Britain have been very disturbed over the past 30 years about the deterioration of our way of life and they see immigration of various sorts as being responsible for that deterioration.
They see the media , particularly the BBC , trying to persuade us , in many subtle and not-so-subtle ways that multi-culturalism is a wonderful thing . Watch any drama on t.v.nowadays and you'll see that most members of minority groups are really either very good or misled and the real villain is usually a middle-aged , rich , White man. It's not only in the reporting of ,'hate-crimes ' that bias exists -----it's general in the media.
Because the 2 main parties have never seriously tackled the above problems , people like Roy are quite right to raise the issue and if people have to turn to the BNP party to get someone to speak for their concerns , then , so be it .

Originally posted by Fareast
It's not only in the reporting of ,'hate-crimes ' that bias exists -----it's general in the media.


http://www.snopes.com/photos/katrina/looters.asp

Originally posted by Fareast
if people have to turn to the BNP party to get someone to speak for their concerns , then , so be it .

This is a very dangerous position to take. You only need to take a momentary glance at the websites Roy James considers viable sources of information to see that he is not simply concerned with challenging media bias, he want an Ayran Britain and 'respectable' conferences such as the one he began this thread advertising are in reality mearly the means to a very disturbing end.

We may have our problems in this country but are they really so bad it's time to let Roy James and his fellow racists try and solve them?

Perhaps we need the BNP to overturn legislation imposed on us by Brussels such as the European Convention on Human rights which this BNP member tried to claim gave him legal protection to distribute racist leaflets.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/2356837.stm

Fareast I dont worry about the personal stuff directed at me,as to people turning to my party then its a so called democracy so nothing wrong with that either.
To listen to some you would think we are the devil incarnate:D we are simply concerned people who want our voice to be heard and at the moment it isnt.
What I really enjoy is when I am out on the street and I meet a BNP member who like the one yesterday gave me £20 for the party and I did not ask him for anything.
People like this are the lifeblood of this country and they really CARE about what is happening here and while the main parties simply call us racist or whatever then we will continue to be their voice.
I really think some are beginning to see the bias against our party and are wiseing up now,it will stand us in good stead for the future. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Disco Cat '

Well , after viewing the site you mentioned , I can't see any resemblance , really between the New Orleans report and what I mentioned about the BBC.
The New Orleans reports were from two different sources and therefore the likelihood of different points of view is more probable or perhaps inevitable. At least one of them appears to be true . If you see people walking into an empty shop and walk out with non-essential goods , during a disaster , what else do you call it ? Souvenir hunting ? I agree if the white people were doing exactly the same , that should be called , 'looting ' too. Why it wasn't is explained in the report.
However , the BBC , these past years seems intent , in hundreds of different ways to want us to admire minorities or to see them always in a positive light.We ALL have to pay a licence to watch T.V.
The last time I was in the U.K , I tried to watch ,'Emmerdale '. This was only a few years ago. In this Yorkshire village , a black family had suddenly appeared [ plus other immigrants from all over the Britain !]. This black family were really lovable , upright , understanding .......etc.......and I believe , from friends a similar thing has happened on Coronation Street.To me , that's patronising black people ---as if they all need a good press . I don't know what they , themselves make of it all .
I used to listen a lot to Radio 4 and it happened on there , over and over again.On S.F. it's already been mentioned that the BBC stopped one play , which was about the Middle East , which took place 80 years ago , after the July 7th. bombings but allowed another modern programme to go ahead about soldiers getting killed in Iraq.
Almost every comedy programme I listened to was either pro-Multiculturalism or , if not that , anti-American.
Years ago , the BBC was known as , "Aunty " because of its , "goody-goody " approach . I think today it ought to be called , "Tony " or , "The Archbishop ".

Originally posted by Fareast
The last time I was in the U.K , I tried to watch ,'Emmerdale '. This was only a few years ago. In this Yorkshire village , a black family had suddenly appeared

Well as devoted Corry fan I could point out that the first black character was on screen five minutes before he committed a robbery and that their is something more then a little stereotypical about the Asian characters being stuck in a corner shop for years.

But things have changed and now you have characters who happen to be black but are playing roles that could just as easily be played by any other ethnicity. I don't understand what your problem is, do you want no Black actors on soap operas or do you only want black actors playing drug dealers, criminals and villains?

Whatever you conclude I'm finding it hard to seeing how Craig Charles appearing in Corry can justify people signing up for Roy's Ayran revolution. When Keith Duffy joined the street did you get so irate about an Irishman being on screen as a normal character in a white English soap, was that part of the media conspiracy as well?

Fareast's point about people turning to the BNP to ' speak for their concerns' is a valid one. However one views the BNP, it is an unfortunate fact that they are the only political party in Britain who have consistently listened to the concerns about immigration, multiculturalism, racial violence etc of the white, working class communities of Britain. Some, usually left-leaning types, argue that the BNP 'listen' with the intent to exploit those fears. Nevertheless, the major political parties [my own Tories included] are guilty of a great deal of systematic evasion and pretence over race-relations issues for around half a century. The major parties have nobody to blame but themselves if working class whites vote BNP. Indeed, rest assured, they most certainly will be doing, in considerable numbers too, in the 2006 council elections.

The theme of Roy's thread is racist murders. I am able, if requested, to provide a list of white people murdered by ethnic minority assailants in what were racially-motivated crimes in London. It was published in Right Now [a conservative journal] shortly after the murder of black teenager, Stephen Lawrence. Whilst not wishing to detract from the awful tragedy of the young man's murder for one minute, it is a plain fact that the police, the government and the media have responded to his death in a markedly different fashion to the way they responded to the death of white victims, for example, Richard Everett who was murdered by Bangladeshi youths. There were no speeches from Blair about Richard, nor were there any Guardian headlines, protests or inquiries. Whichever way one looks at the issue, one single argument emerges; racist murder is seen as white on black/asian, and racism is seen as the monopoly of whites.

I do hope that my views are not labelled 'nazi'. It is rather tiresome, and everybody who knows me would regard the label as ludicrous. Oh, and I am not terribly keen on 'brownshirt' either. 'Tory' will do suffice. Cheers.

Originally posted by Fareast
The last time I was in the U.K , I tried to watch ,'Emmerdale '. This was only a few years ago. In this Yorkshire village , a black family had suddenly appeared [ plus other immigrants from all over the Britain !].

Coloureds? In YORKSHIRE? It's political correctness gone BONKERS!!!

;)

Originally posted by Greenback
Coloureds? In YORKSHIRE? It's political correctness gone BONKERS!!!

;)

It could be worse - they could have been from *shudder* lancashire!!!

The major parties have nobody to blame but themselves if working class whites vote BNP. Indeed, rest assured, they most certainly will be doing, in considerable numbers too, in the 2006 council elections.

Well I very much hope your right on this Timo. ;)

Originally posted by royjames
Well I very much hope your right on this Timo.


One of the most bizzare articles I've ever read on your website today Roy, do your comrades in the struggle for an all white Britain know how much you enjoy a good Halal Kebab from Aslans?

http://www.bnp.org.uk/columnists/joepr2.php?joeId=11

Originally posted by timo
it is a plain fact that the police, the government and the media have responded to his death in a markedly different fashion to the way they responded to the death of white victims,

I think your suffering from a rare case of selective memory when making this point my Tory friend.

If you think back you might recall that the Met police reacted to the murder of Stephen Lawrence by ....eeeeeerr....... not reacting at all. Hence the need for the McPherson report and thankfully improvements in the way of the police actually bothering to investigate the death of young black men.

Originally posted by Disco_Cat
One of the most bizzare articles I've ever read on your website today Roy, do your comrades in the struggle for an all white Britain know how much you enjoy a good Halal Kebab from Aslans?

http://www.bnp.org.uk/columnists/joepr2.php?joeId=11

[MOD NOTE] I think we are slipping a bit far from the original topic of the thread - can we pull it back on topic before a pruning is in order...

Originally posted by royjames
m y god such silly comments do nothing for your case do they??

Democracy and free speech,what a joke that really is in this country,STALIN OR HITLER WOULD BE PROUD.

Ho hum, pot meet kettle... I must say Roy, it's good to have you back. I haven't seen you around for a while and forum life was just a little duller without you lumbering around in the background waving the comedy BNP flag. I was secretly wondering if you were on holiday, perhaps somewhere abroad. Poland perhaps, I mused. But back you are and with a moderately viable argument about media bias. Turned upside-down and slamdunked into the circus ring with a hoot of a clown's horn and a tag line of "hidden holocaust". Priceless. Hitler, being a rather clever chappie despite the off-centre fashion sense, strange taste in facial furniture and Tom Cruisey short man world domination thing, would definitely not be proud.

Oh, I had a little shuftie at your beloved website in your absence. I couldn't work out whether it was for real or one great, ghastly joke. There's a section in the mission statement that defines 'British' as persons descended from the first set of major settlements on these fair isles. As if the clock stopped 2500 years ago. How does your party manage to deny the existence of linear time and the innately hybrid character of Britain?

Still, having decided all this afflatus couldn't possibly be serious I settled down and had a damn good chortle. It's ripsnorting stuff.

Roy,
I honestly think that I am correct here re the 2006 council elections. I like to think that I am fair in my political assessments, and my political 'antennae' reasonably accurate and realistic. I would imagine that the BNP has been limbering up for the target of 2006 council elections for some time. Many of the votes you will receive will be 'protest' votes, and not a few from disgruntled Tories, but they will count. Next year will see some advances, on a small scale, but still advances for your party. The major parties have seriously underestimated the levels of fear and resentment around issues of immigration and race since the early 60s, felt particularly strongly within working class [white] communities. The current threat from Islamic extremists, and the recent riots in the former mill towns have brought the mixture of fear, resentment and sometimes bewilderment to the boil. It would only take a couple of bombings in the north to tip this emotion over the edge, especially in Blackburn, Oldham, Bury, and Bradford. I say this without fear or favour. Only a fool could possibly deny the foreboding felt by the majority regarding the future of race relations in Britain. It is unpleasant but true.

In middle class circles, race [or 'race' as some prefer] and immigration were once taboo subjects. It was considered deeply vulgar to harbour a preoccupation with the subjects. One did not talk openly about such matters. One had suspicions that egalitarianism was based upon a myth, and that multiculturalist visions were unworkable, but one kept such suspicions under wraps. Now, the middle classes talk of little else. Slowly but surely, the politics of ethnic identity are coming to the fore. Gradually, the realisation that not all groups can be successfully accomodated within secular, liberal societies is taking hold. It is being helped along nicely by those who would reinforce their [alien] beliefs with semtex.

Excellent points as always Timo,yes I think we could and will continue the advancement of the party locally as well as nationally.
2006 is indeed the target we are aiming at and I beleive we will increase our share of the vote here in Sheffield.
Now back to the thread,do you have those links you were refering to as to whites being victims of racist attacks??
Seems the links I put up are not acceptable to some.

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Originally posted by depoix
the holocaust was the worst thing to happen in the 20th century but the figures have been revised

shmuel krakowsky, head of research at israel's yad vashem memorial for jewish victims of the holocaust said in 1995 that the correct figures,based on nazi records, the red cross and post war records of missing persons was 960,000

the museum has adjusted the figures, and plaques at aushwitcz ,belson etc woul be removed and adjusted.

the murder of any one is an outrage, no matter what their race,creed or colour, be it by the nazi,s, the dissafected terrorist, hate groups or one person acting against another.
i am amazed at these figures, are you sure, that cant be right can it, everyone knows there was six million human beings killed by those evil people.

I do think that the murders should be reported fairly.
The amount of press coverage should be governed by the severity of the murder. The liverpoool murder was more newsworthy becuase of the axe. However as murders happen far more that anyone would like it would be impossible to cover all murders in depth in the news.
The problem is that ALL media is biased in one way or another, the only way round it is to remember this.
Also in reference to the BNP meeting being cancelled. i'm sure if the venue had discovered that the meeting was a radical isalmic group they would have cancelled that too. At the end of the day the venue is a business which proabaly can't afford to be connected to ANY extream groups.

Originally posted by Fareast
The last time I was in the U.K , I tried to watch ,'Emmerdale '. This was only a few years ago. In this Yorkshire village , a black family had suddenly appeared [ plus other immigrants from all over the Britain !]. This black family were really lovable , upright , understanding .......etc.......and I believe , from friends a similar thing has happened on Coronation Street.To me , that's patronising black people ---as if they all need a good press . I don't know what they , themselves make of it all.

I find that it's Eastenders that tries too hard with their 'ethnic' characters - such as the Ferreras (?) family who everyone hated. There have also been other families in it's past who have been killed off because people were sick of them. But that isn't racism, it's just poor writing from the BBC.

Now i feel Coronation Street is different. Anyone not white is just a character and I don't feel their is any issue, either by the character or the writers, with their colour brought into it. I think Craig Charles is fantastic - ever so often he gets a small and inoffensive 'Listerism' in!

I think Timo previoulsy has made some good points. I do believe a few more will be voting BNP but i'm sorry Roy the majority will be solely protest votes against the current govt.

I am sorry to see that the BNP has lost the hotel as it's venue. I'm not a BNP fan or voter but it is wrong but i'm sure they are only protecting theor own interests possibly due to the fact that the BNP may have attracted left-wing protesters and consequently poor media (??)

As in relation to the original post Roy, i am not going to jump on you as some have and personally believe (my own opinion) that racist attacks by whites will get more media attention. Just a fact of life i'm afraid as we (whites) are the majority.

I'm getting the word......

Originally posted by Toby
It doesn't. You're wrong. So we don't need to tackle it.

The fact is that royjames' politics are the politics of fear. No other party hangs it's hat on the fact that it is scared of people. Forget what he says, and love the fact that we live in the best place in the world. Come on Roy, where is better than here?

Hang on a minute Toby! I've seen non-white racism on a personal level but don't presume I'm anything like Roy James! We do need to tackle this actually to get the world back on an even footing. I am against racism in any form but don't instantly dismiss my comments as "wrong" because I recognise that white people are also victims of racial attacks.

I'm not "wrong" as you said. Crimes happen and we need to tackle how the media report the incidents. Right now, it's black or white! Fuelling the fire!

Originally posted by royjames

2006 is indeed the target we are aiming at

Strange I seem to remember the BNP saying that the European elections were their main target for the big ‘breakthrough’ back then they predicted themselves getting 12 MEP’s .

Of course they didn't get any.

I also seem to remember Nick Griffin boasted that in the recent election the BNP would make their big 'breakthrough' with him defeating Anne Cryer.

Of course he didn't and the BNP failed to win a single seat

So when has the BNP breakthrough been postponed to now Roy, 2006 you say?
What are your predictions this time around?

This is not an anti BNP thread is it?

It's a thread on racist attacks & media bias.

Surely?

Thats the thing tho , assoon as the bnp gets brought into the conversation every one is up in arms.??:gag:

Originally posted by brooksy
Thats the thing tho , assoon as the bnp gets brought into the conversation every one is up in arms.??:gag:

The BNP were brought into this thread when it was begun by the ex leader of the Sheffield BNP advertising a BNP rally in Manchester.

Then as you are posting, shurely it becomes a gay issue too? :loopy:

I'm confused. Surely the thread title is:


Racist murders, the facts according to the BNP

so surely the BNP aspect was from the start. And I even restrained myself from pointing out that facts and BNP was in the same sentence:)

Originally posted by Don_Kiddick
Then as you are posting, shurely it becomes a gay issue too? :loopy:

But to be fair, if it does now become an issue, it's because you've made it one, not DiscoCat...

As far as I'm aware, he never mentioned it on this thread.

Mighnt have missed something here but when or how did gays get dragged into this thread.??:loopy:

I blame the vegetarians .... its not natural :o

as a vegetarian i resent that:shocked:

Sal - it was a joke!

Sorry:hihi: :heyhey:

Sits back, puts feet up, opens a tinny :hihi:

hope thats not a omen of things to come.

The sense of humour bypass patients aren't normally out at the weekends...
:suspect:

Originally posted by Internetowl
hope thats not a omen of things to come.

The sense of humour bypass patients aren't normally out at the weekends...
:suspect:

Maybe she's just a bit touchy because she supports Wednesday.

I support Wednesday - I'm suicidal :)

Its a pity the players don't take the hint :thumbsup:

Just to mention that my original thread was titled racist murders the facts,seems the mods or mod changed it a little.

Ah, but only for the better, dear boy. Facts are slippery old eel for the BNP, I concluded after perusing its website. Particularly loved the alleged email from a supporter berating an asian bloke for his lack of patriotism. He should look to the example of St George, she squeaks, a true Christian martyr. And as someone with his roots in warmer climes well he might, for several origin theories posit Georgie as the son of a high-born Arab, born in Palestine. Nice one, BNP.

Originally posted by royjames
Just to mention that my original thread was titled racist murders the facts,seems the mods or mod changed it a little. rj, could i ask you'r, and possibly the bnp's views on the orange order in belfast ?

after last night's riots with british troops and police coming under fire,petrol bombings and car hijackings all in the name of a religious group that insists on staging a march,would you say they should be classed as a terrorist organisation,or a civil rights group?

if any one had been killed would it be a racist murder as i would think that all parties involved where british,or would it be a sectarian killing,which would make it a religious thing akin to moslems fighting christians.

I can only speek for myself but I dont want to see ANY violence in N .Ireland the orange order are very patriotic people and I share much sympathy with them but we cant have groups going around attacking the police and army.
Better people than me have tried to resolve the problems in ulster and so I think I will leave it at that.

Originally posted by royjames
I can only speek for myself but I dont want to see ANY violence in N .Ireland the orange order are very patriotic people and I share much sympathy with them but we cant have groups going around attacking the police and army.
Better people than me have tried to resolve the problems in ulster and so I think I will leave it at that. thankyou roy for an honest answer,it is a major problem that i can not see an easy answer to, but it must be addressed at some point by the government or we will be going back 30 years to civil unrest which could esculate and undoubtably ruin the peace agreement that mo molan worked for

Re 'civil unrest' ; we may well see it this side of the water if there are further bombings by militant Islamic groups. To reiterate what I said earlier, it would take just two bombings in or near to the former Lancashire and Yorkshire mill towns to bring about a war-like situation in certain volatile districts which simmer with irremediable ethnic/religious grudges. Successive governments, one suspects, have tried to keep the Irish 'troubles' confined to Ulster. They know that if British troops were pulled out, the ethnic/religious conflict would continue anew in Glasgow, Manchester and Liverpool. There are plenty of extremists on both sides in these cities to ensure that. Regarding the Islamic extremists, there is no hope whatsoever of 'confining' their activities. They may strike at any time, anywhere. We have much to look forward to...

I was being sarcastic!:heyhey:
However you insulted me further by implying that i support wednesday:loopy: .
i am a unitedite:clap: :clap: :clap:
(I can't spell that!)

Of course if you say anything which tells the truth about the threat from suicide bombers you end up getting arrested and taken to court,visa vee Nick Griffin.
:thumbsup:

Originally posted by daverity
There has been much local speculation that if he wasn’t black or he was a black murdered by other blacks then the media would have relegated this story to the inside pages, the national media may not have even bothered to report it at all.

You know, I was thinking about this when I was in Liverpool at the weekend.

While I agree there'll be a slant to make the story more newsworthy, I am surprised that Liverpudlians are concerned at the amount of coverage this murder received. Is it because this particular story portrays Liverpool in a bad light as the victim was seemingly killed by the locals in an unprovoked, racist attack?

Don't forget that after the tragedies of Hillsborough, Jamie Bulger and Ken Bigley, the same media also reported on those stories for many weeks. I didn't notice Liverpudlians complaining then.

At what point did nick griffin start telling the truth.

Originally posted by Abdul

Don't forget that after the tragedies of Hillsborough.......... I didn't notice Liverpudlians complaining then.

How many people did you see reading the Sun when you were up their?

Originally posted by Disco_Cat
How many people did you see reading the Sun when you were up their?

Cheeky boy :nono:

That's because it was the, err, 'wrong kind' of coverage ;)