View Full Version : 9/11 - Could there be an alternative version?


JoaquiNation
07-09-2005, 10:48
Before you settle down for a deeply engrossing conspiracy story of how the American government was involved in the terrorist attacks on the Twin Towers, I must tell you that this has nothing to do with that 9/11. In fact the 9/11 I'm 'briefly' gonna talk about occured nearly 30 years prior to the Twin Tower attacks.

On September 11th 1973, a Democratically elected government in Chile was violently overthrown in a bloody coup which saw it's leader (President Salvador Allende) assassinated and the Presidential Palace bombed by fighter jets. Over the following 17 years a self imposed Dictator, Pinochet, ruled over the country imposing his bloody way of life on the citizens of Chile. During this time thousands of people who opposed his regime were murdered (at home and abroad) or disappeared, and over 1 million people were forced to flee to other countries in fear of their lives.
Thankfully since 1990 (when Pinochet was ousted in a Yes/No vote, the first since he had forced his way into power), the people of Chile have been slowly rebuilding their lives and their democracy.
In the years after the Bloody coup, many people here in Britain worked towards helping those affected by this atrocity especially the political prisoners, many of whom were victims of torture. One of the groups of British people who helped the most were the Miners and their families through the means of the NUM. As a result of this help many of the political prisoner were 'allowed' to leave the country with the condition they didn't return or else (yurp, you guessed it, they'd be killed as soon as they stepped of the plane upon return). Many of the prisoners came to Britain and in particular South Yorkshire as there was a feeling of Solidarity with the people of this region. As the years went by people settled down had families and carried on with their Anglo-Chilean lives. In the eighties when the big Miners Demos were taking place, the Chileans supported the miners in which ever way they could, as in their time of need it had been the miners who had come to their aid.

It is now coming upto 32 years since the Coup in '73 and many of the Chileans who arrived in Yorkshire have either returned to Chile, died or moved on. But their still remains a significant presence in Britain, especially in Sheffield and Rotherham. All these Chileans have kids who were born or grew up here (I'm one of 'em) and some even have English grand kids.

People have come and gone and Sheffield has changed drastically in that time, but one thing has remained constant throughout their time here - the memories and the fact they must not allow themselves or others to forget what happened. The way this manifests itself is that every year a small group of people (Chilean, English and other backgrounds) commemorate the events of 9/11 1973 by holding a vigil for those who died, disappeared or were exiled. This vigil takes place on the steps of the Sheffield Town Hall and this year will take place on the 10th (this Saturday).

Subnote: The events of 9/11 1973 were funded by the American government of Richard Nixon (something that was revealed in the recently declassified American Government documents) - this subnote is not for people to start a pro/anti American debate but purely as a fact.

Cheers,
Joe

Compaņeros desaparecidos, PRESENTE!

BennyBlanco
16-09-2005, 08:43
Well put Joe :thumbsup:

(It's Rod)

Heard you'd written this from a mate. Strange how nobody has thought to reply so far - what d'you think that means? I have a sneaky suspicion that when you talk about thousands of people being murdered in "exotic" places like Chile (then) or Sudan (now, for another example) it doesn't mean as much to some people as thousands dying in "powerful" nations like the US.

Very depressing thought, that.

JoeP
16-09-2005, 08:59
It may be sad but it's nothing new.

There was the same issue about the Czechs in 1938.

I don't think it's an issue of 'powerful' nations. It's an issue of commonality of language, culture and political background.

It may not be politically correct, but I think people do feel more for cultures that are similar to themselves.

Joe

Phanerothyme
16-09-2005, 09:09
Originally posted by JoaquiNation
On September 11th 1973, a Democratically elected government in Chile was violently overthrown in a bloody coup which saw it's leader (President Salvador Allende) assassinated and the Presidential Palace bombed by fighter jets. Over the following 17 years a self imposed Dictator, Pinochet, ruled over the country imposing his bloody way of life on the citizens of Chile. During this time thousands of people who opposed his regime were murdered (at home and abroad) or disappeared, and over 1 million people were forced to flee to other countries in fear of their lives.
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Cheers,
Joe

Compaņeros desaparecidos, PRESENTE!

That's about the most interesting post I've read for a while. I had absolutely no idea there was such a connection between South Yorkshire and Chilean exiles.

I was 3 when Allende was killed by the military coup d'etat. It took another 20 years for me to find out what happened in even the most general terms, not even knowing the prior significance of September 11th until today.

I hope your vigil and remembrance was a success.

However, if you want more page views and replies, then your thread title may well have put a few people off...

BennyBlanco
16-09-2005, 10:01
JoeP, I accept your point about greater sensitivity towards countries with similar/same language and culture - that is understandable in a way, but by no means an excuse to say 'we care about these murders, but not these murders'.

Dude111
28-10-2007, 12:03
This is very compelling and the most interesting post i have read on this yet!!!

Seeing this 9/11 event in 1973 WAS FUNDED BY THE GOVT!! (I didnt even know about this 9/11 event)

Many ppl ASSUME they were involved with the latest 9/11 and all the evidence i have seen,i have made up my own mind.......

Wheather it will ever be publicly REVEALED is another thing,all we can do is wonder....

Heyesey
28-10-2007, 13:55
JoeP, I accept your point about greater sensitivity towards countries with similar/same language and culture - that is understandable in a way, but by no means an excuse to say 'we care about these murders, but not these murders'.

Not a valid excuse, no, but it is a fact regardless.

Some years ago, the Times held a competition to find the most boring headline imaginable; the winner was "Small Earthquake in Chile, Not Many Dead." That tells you all you need to know about the average Briton's regard for the health and welfare of Latin American people living ten thousand miles away.

mikey10
28-10-2007, 17:29
i knew a lady who came here from chile during this period. she came with her son, her husband was a university lecturer who went "missing" carmen was her name.she was a teacher at castle college. she was met off the plane by richard cabourn.

after she'd been here a while she bought a house and paid a builder up front for a new kitchen. he promtly vanished. welcome to england!!