Being from Leicester I find the Sheffield accent fascinating. I'm also confused as to why Sheffielders have different words for things that I've never heard in other parts of the country. A couple of examples:

Bread cake: Why the hell do you people call a cob a bread cake? I've heard many other words for the humble cob, such as roll, bap and even batch, but before I came to Sheffield I'd never heard the expression 'bread cake'.

9 while 5: Where does the 'while' come from? We just settle with 9 to 5 or more correctly 9 until 5, but 9 while 5? Does that even make sense?

I can't think of anymore examples at the moment, but if I think of anymore I'll let you know.

Being from Bolton I find the Leicester accent fascinating. I'm also confused as to why Leicesterers have different words for things that I've never heard in other parts of the country. A couple of examples:

Cob: Why the hell do you people call a barm cake a cob?

I can't think of anymore examples at the moment, but if I think of anymore I'll let you know.

:lol:

No, but really ... that's the "joy" of accents and dialects! Most regions have their own words.

I know there's a lot of thing that Leicester people say that nobody else knows. Like cob, jitty, croggy, mardy, I could go on.

Barm cake? That's a new one on me too.

Being from barnsley -

Why the hades do you call a T'Cake a Breadcake???


Moon Maiden

Being from Sheffield I find the Bolton accent fascinating. I'm also confused as to why Boltoners have different words for things that I've never heard in other parts of the country. A couple of examples:

Barm cake - Why the hell do people call bread cakes a barm cake?


And a cup of tea a brew!!!

I can't think of anymore examples at the moment, but if I think of anymore I'll let you know.

Good post this!!!


Ever heard of Mardy!!!

Not sure its a real word but its often used around here to describe someone who is sulking!!!

yep Mardy heard of it.

What about 'laking' ? Or is that a Barnsley term

Ginnel/gennel

Moon Maiden

Get thi coyt on an get on thi scoyter.

This is Barnsley for

Get ones outer garments on and mount ones scooter

But bread cakes? What's all that about? They're rolls for Christ's sake!

Proper Sheffieldish is spoken as such

"Nar den de, what da wittering about lad. Git da-sen up't Manor and speak proper Sheffield like."

Translations
"Now then chap, what is all this worrying and fuss. Take your good self up to the Manor [an area of Sheffield] to learn how to speak with the proper coloquialisms."

I remember thinking when I was little that the Sheffield accent was posh - now I get ribbed when I talk to friends back home because they reckon I am a snob now.

Moon Maiden

My brother thinks I'm a snob, it's because I look at people and say that they look common.

Should T Cakes have currants or not?
That is the question!!!

Well where I come from if you want the fruit in you ask for a currant t'cake.

Simple init

What about rissole and fishcakes?

Moon Maiden

anyone live near a jennel (ginnnle) :lol:

T-cakes have currents in 'em and bread cakes dont!
Don't listen to them Barnsley lot, they don't know what they're on about!
:lol:

Nahden me old 'dee daas' check follerin links art :

http://www.yorkshire-dialect.org/

http://www.demon.co.uk/dayco/monty.html

sithee

being born and bred in Sheffield I have NEVER said dee and dah! surely thats a Barnsley thing! I must say I'm quite fed of of the guys at my work telling me I have a Manchester accent when I've never even been there so whats that all about? being BT trained I guess I just speak proper lol :lol:

This is a funny thread. I'm constantly having problems with my accent in Canada. I've never really had the strongest Sheffield accent either - good god, even I find my sister barely understandable at times.

Although I've only been away 4 years, both my wife and I have noticed that the way I speak is getting considerably different (I'm pronouncing my h's a lot more these days!!!), except for when I talk to my mum on the phone, at which point I slip straight back into it!! :D

Still, the worse thing about having a Sheffield accent in north america is that everyone thinks you're bloody Australian!! They seem to think every English person should speak like Hugh Grant!

I work in Bolton and get ribbed a lot for the accent and sayings. It's awful not being able to get 'proper' fishcakes here (not rissoles). And they have no concept of Henderson's relish! I have to buy bottles when I come over. They all like it though!

They go on about why I call it a bread cake (it's a cake of bread, obviously) but nobody can explain why they call it a barm cake.

A lot of Boltonians can't pronounce 'three' either, they say 'fwee'!

I really like the 9 while 5 thing - I never used to say until I'd lived here about 10 years, but now find it creeping in to my language, along with nowt, etc. I also (being originally from yokel land) used to say larst and barth, and now say last and bath - funny how your accent changes over time.

What about:

"There's nowt down for that..."
"I could scarce get me cap on..."
"Not many..."

The use of "while" in Sheffield to mean "until" must cause Sheffielders learning how to program computers loads of hassle. (Both words are used in many programming languages and mean quite specific things).

The funniest thing I've heard relating to this subject is someone trying to get into a shop early in the morning, only to be told by the person in the shop :

"You can't come in while were open!"

Nomme

p.s. Just remembered. I was quite thrown on first arriving in Sheffield being referred to as 'Luv' or 'Luver'.
Getting on a bus and being told 'That'll be 2p luv'. I thought he was taking the ****.

Eeeeeeeee 2p on t'bus....them were days.......

Originally posted by "nommedenet"

p.s. Just remembered. I was quite thrown on first arriving in Sheffield being referred to as 'Luv' or 'Luver'.
Getting on a bus and being told 'That'll be 2p luv'. I thought he was taking the ****.

Eeeeeeeee 2p on t'bus....them were days.......

People in Nottingham call you duck!
People in Stoke call you Shug (meaning sugar)

Anymore?

Originally posted by "RPG"

anyone live near a jennel (ginnnle) :lol:

I live near a jennel or sometimes we call it a snicket :lol:

Originally posted by "alchresearch"

I work in Bolton and get ribbed a lot for the accent and sayings. It's awful not being able to get 'proper' fishcakes here (not rissoles). And they have no concept of Henderson's relish! I have to buy bottles when I come over. They all like it though!

They go on about why I call it a bread cake (it's a cake of bread, obviously) but nobody can explain why they call it a barm cake.

A lot of Boltonians can't pronounce 'three' either, they say 'fwee'!

I think the barm cake bit originates from the fact that older people used to call yeast 'barm' when they were bread making. My granny's old recipe book calls yeast barm. :)

Originally posted by "mikey"


People in Stoke call you Shug (meaning sugar)


Well I'm from Crewe originally and I bet they call us something entirely different.
Only fair really, 'cos we call them clayheads.

Nomme

I have always found accent and dialect most fascinating concepts. I often wonder why and how it is that only by travelling a short distance (eg. Sheffield to Manchester or Liverpool) you notice people pronouncing the same words differently or using different words for the same common things. On the international level why is it that the English accent differs from that of Australia, New Zealand, America and South Africa? Anyone have any theories?

Anyway, as far as Britain is concerned all I can say is that the great diversity of accents and dialects in such a small country is to me one of the most wonderful things about it.

As I am a Yokshireman currently living in Glasgow I thought I'd give give you some tips on Glasgowspeak:

Aye = Yes
Nay = No
Nay bother= Don't worry/ don't mention it
The noo= Now
The Wain / Bairn= The kid
First please = Next please
Where do ya stay? = Where do you live?
How ya doon? = Hello
Fish Supper = Fish 'n' chips
A cannay = I am unable to
Ma hoose = My house
Ma hidd = My head

Ain't the English language just great! :lol: :lol:

Why did you use MANOR as an example. As a Manor lass born and bred I get sick to death of people using Manor as a prime example for things. Only the other night I was watching that Cop Show, and things like "The Manor, the most notorious part of Sheffield..." It makes me teeth itch!! LOL. Saying that, it makes me feel quite special when people say I have a great Manor accent. The only accent I find abasolutely amazing is Canadian, I love it!
Chloé

It's funny you should mention the Canadian accent. Unlike in Britian where you can literally have a distinct accent per City, or at the very least per County, Canadian accents seem to only change slightly per Province (and for those of you who don't know, a province is at the very least about twice the size of the UK, often much much more).

I'm a big fan of accents, and I can certainly detect a difference between provinces, but with the exception of Quebec, people from Manitoba and New Foundland definately have the most noticable accents. I think I'm pretty immune to the Alberta and Vancouver accents by now!

I still rib my wife about saying about how she pronounces words with 'ou' in them. Hearing the word 'aboot' always gives me a laugh, though even i'd begun to do it now....... :?

One of my favourite quotes from a movie is from Chasing Amy:

Holden: What do you want to do tonight?

Banky: I don't know. Get a pizza. Watch Degrassi Junior High.

Holden: You got a weird thing for Canadian melodrama.

Banky: I've got a weird thing for girls who say "aboot".

:D

Oh and by the way, the Manor Park accent is sooooooo strong, even I had trouble understanding it (my wife can barely understand my sister at all!!).

How are you?

Am arreight.

What?

Am arreight.

What the hell are you saying, is that even English?

Wot tha takin abaart?

What country are you from? Is there anyone who can translate?

Am from bleedin Manor, ya cheeky bugger!

Nope. Nope, didn't understand a word. Could someone take this strange person away?

---

Only joking (or am I??) :D

Yeah but we're all lovely people on the Manor Park!! :lol:
When I go to work and what have yer, people always comment on how broad my accent is, but I like it. I just hate the way people seem to pull the Manor down all the time, it really isn't as bad as people make it out to be.
Chloé

Originally posted by "Chloe"

Yeah but we're all lovely people on the Manor Park!! :lol:

Hey, now I know you're lying - my family live there!! :D :D

Originally posted by "Chloe"

I just hate the way people seem to pull the Manor down all the time, it really isn't as bad as people make it out to be.
Chloé

Oh I dunno about that Chloe! :wink:

The place certainly doesn't have it's reputation helped any by being so close to Wybourn!! That place is the pits!! :D

Oh be fair!! The majority of people who live on the Manor Park are old people, live on their own etc etc. Another thing that gets on my nerves is when people tar us all with the same brush... fair enough, there are some right losers round here, but not all of us are like that. When I tell people I live on the Manor Park... "oh take it you went to the hell hole of a school, Waltheof?" NOOOO I didn't, I went to All Saints. And I got loads of bother off my friends who live round here, all about going to a bible bashing school bla bla bla. Tell you this, it wasn't long before they were all knocking on All Saints door!!

Back to the subject... I hate living round here, not because of the things that happen, not because of the people, but because it's boring. There's nothing to do. No community centres for people of my age (18) or anything. No wonder they're pinching cars and getting into trouble... they're bored.
Chloé

Someone mentioned Wybourn - what is it like there? is it really so bad?

No, it's not as bad as people make it out to be. I lived on the Wybourn for the first 6 years of my life before moving to Manor Park. Thinkin' about it... I haven't done well have I??!! :wink:
Chloé

Back to accents

I remember living in Hull and being very confused when someone knocked on my door and (after I opened it) asked me

"Hermerner"?

"What"

"Are you a Hermerner?"

"Whats that?"

"Do you ern (own) your own herm (home)."?

I felt like an idiot (ofetn happens actually)

Changes in accent are continuous throughout the UK and change slightly every few miles, hence the noticeable differences between a Sheffield accent and a Barnsley accent, each region has it's own twang but keeps certain characteristics in some words and pronunciation of it's closest neighbours.

Our neighbours in Chesterfield call Sheffielders 'Dee Dahs', they're another lot that like to say 'duck' like our friends from Notts.

Sample Chezzieisms :

"orrayt duck " = Are you alright
"nice weather it is" = The weather is nice
"I'm goin I am " = I am going

Originally posted by "Chloe"

Yeah but we're all lovely people on the Manor Park!! :lol:
When I go to work and what have yer, people always comment on how broad my accent is, but I like it. I just hate the way people seem to pull the Manor down all the time, it really isn't as bad as people make it out to be.
Chloé

Ne'mind lass, it were same dahn 'cliffe, when ah yewster live theer. Thi all thort tha wert lowist form o life if tha cum from dahn theer. Mind theh, it were a community then, not like nah. It were hard livin theer, an people were tuff, a meean tuff, not vicious. Cooas, thi wernt all modern conveniences like weshin' machines, 'ot runnin' watter, centraleeatin', inside lavs, dishweshers,vacuums, gas cewckers, dubble glazin' or owt like
dat.

Originally posted by "mishapp"

Someone mentioned Wybourn - what is it like there? is it really so bad?

Yes. I think its because there are comparatively few people who make life hell for the rest. I don't live on Wybourn, but I used to live down Attercliffe many years ago so I know what bad housing conditions are like
but people down 'cliffe had a certain pride, in their surroundings poor and dirty though they were(the surroundings not the people).
There are many Wybourns all over the country and its down to the people that live there as to what they want their community to be like

Have to agree with you crimbo. You sound like me mam!! She always says what it was like living "darnt 'cliffe." I always here the same story... we didn't have hot water bottles, we had a brick in the oven, we didn't have gloves, we had socks on our hands, we never had shoes, we always wore jelly beans!!
Chloé

Originally posted by "Chloe"

Have to agree with you crimbo. You sound like me mam!! She always says what it was like living "darnt 'cliffe." I always here the same story... we didn't have hot water bottles, we had a brick in the oven, we didn't have gloves, we had socks on our hands, we never had shoes, we always wore jelly beans!!
Chloé
Oh aye ,a fergot them things.winters were cowderanall, weuster haveter push through sno which wer allus up to us chin all we had were brown paper ter cuver us feet. Aye, them were days! But if tha tells yunguns
terday thi doan't believe theh.

Giooer nah, thas mekkin me hooamsick...

I'm living in the Black Country, where the accent makes me cringe!

BTW did you hear about that terrible accident on the level crossing by Barnsley bus station? There was a sign that said 'do not cross while red light is showing'...

bread cakes & bridge rolls - (soft crust)made from unsweetened Vienna dough and baked without steam.
Cobs/baps/vienna sticks - (crusty)made from unsweetened Vienna dough and baked with steam.
Tea cakes - made from sweetened Chelsea dough with raisons&sultanas baked without steam.
Balm cakes? whot thy onabout?

Vin

Had a look in my trusty dictionary earlier and neither bread cake or barm cake is listed as a proper term. Barm however is an old fasioned word for yeast.

Cob is listed as a small round loaf of bread.
Bap is listed as a bread roll.

i think there needs to be a new thread with one post explaining what all the words mean so that the people that arnt from sheffield can understand!!

Am I alone in finding the S. Yorks accent quite sexy?

Maybe it is cos I am a posh Southerner and those lazy vowels and gruff tones sound so manly!

I agree with the issue you all have with the local accents. But, unlike Cellar boy I have lived over here in North America for sixteen years and still I am constantly identified as being from South Yorksire. Well, apart from those who think I am an Aussie. My tones are considerably subtle though and I do not use any slang or make the usual mistakes with certain translated words. The problem with certain words over here having different meanings is worth a posting of it's own.

Sheffield rocks though, it will always be considered home :)

People in Birmingham call you "Bab"

It's also an (affectionate??!) term for a baby

raflmfao! - Now thats pure English! ;)

My girlfriend has quite a soft sheffield accent. And let me tell you, it's bloody brilliant.

Mind you, as a native of Ayrshire, I do have the best accent in the world...

Originally posted by "waxy chuff"

My girlfriend has quite a soft sheffield accent. And let me tell you, it's bloody brilliant.

Mind you, as a native of Ayrshire, I do have the best accent in the world...

no bias there ;)

On either point...!

:D :D

I am from Bolton and I think it`s great we all have diffrent sayings for things.
I foxed my husband and his family born and bread sheffield people with SIDE THE TABLE a lancashire saying.
We have many frendly arguments over Barm cakes as in Lancahire they have to be buttered and that makes some of my family feel sick.

Originally posted by "emilylouisa"

People in Birmingham call you "Bab"

It's also an (affectionate??!) term for a baby

...and also for a kebab in Walsall!

Originally posted by "rosie"

:D :D

I am from Bolton and I think it`s great we all have diffrent sayings for things.
I foxed my husband and his family born and bread sheffield people with SIDE THE TABLE a lancashire saying.
We have many frendly arguments over Barm cakes as in Lancahire they have to be buttered and that makes some of my family feel sick.
You surprise me Rosie, SIDE t'TABLE was a common thing to say in our house, mind you, that was many years ago when I lived with my parents
although we did say it when I lived with my ex, not so long back.

A Cambridge student is advertising for people to speak "Barnsley" into a tape recorder. So similarly, a listing of Sheffield/other Yorkshire words and grammar would make a useful historic and traveller's reference. An audio version makes sense as dialects/accents are changing with time as well as through travel. There has been so much input that it would be a good idea to gather things together and maybe submit them to the online Yorkshire Accent Dictionary. This work itself needs some grammar adding to it - things like gerrartonit (get out of it); geeore (give over, stop) tha moant (you won't) arm tie/tah? (am I not?) and countless other phrases that smudge into one word.
It would make sense to note how words and phrases alter subtly from one district to another - that's just within Sheffeild, Barnsley or where ever. I've just had a thought. Maybe could do something in North Point. This is a magazine that I work on, serving North Sheffield? MaybeSilda the bored could check SHU records for similar studies? tara

As a Sheffielder born and bred and now living in Florida, I get sick and tired of people asking me if I'm from Australia.
They always say "Oh, well y'all sound the same"
What really erks me is when they ask what part of London I am from?!??!?!?!?!
"Really and what part of Canada are you from" I reply.
For crying out loud!
Americans always think my accent is so cute. Well I've never been described as cute before. Hugh Grant maybe! lol 8)

English accents are popular with Americans and they love us for it.
I once left a New Year message on an American friends answer machine and none of there family could work it out what i was saying.

ay up suree o tha guin fo a pint
dun it ger up thi noers
o tha oreyt mucker
wot tha lukin at
can tha lend us a dola
ee ba gum thar a gran las
as tha erd ar uniteds gon on

Originally posted by Sidla
Being from Leicester I find the Sheffield accent fascinating. I'm also confused as to why Sheffielders have different words for things that I've never heard in other parts of the country. A couple of examples:

Bread cake: Why the hell do you people call a cob a bread cake? I've heard many other words for the humble cob, such as roll, bap and even batch, but before I came to Sheffield I'd never heard the expression 'bread cake'.

9 while 5: Where does the 'while' come from? We just settle with 9 to 5 or more correctly 9 until 5, but 9 while 5? Does that even make sense?

I can't think of anymore examples at the moment, but if I think of anymore I'll let you know.

Why on earth would you name a bread cake after a vegetable? The only "cob" I know of is Corn on the Cob.
Actually, I just looked it up in the dictionary and a cob is a male swan or a horse with short legs!
Hmmmm?
I love this language. You should hear what the americans have done with it. To them bread cakes are hoagies and heros.
I go with bread roll myself these days.
"Pass us t' butter n' t' jam an put t'kettle on fur a brew"
Ta very much

Yes but why name a breadcake after a type of horse? tha must be daft int heead dahn theyer

I worked in Scotland for a couple of years, the local bobby thought I was from France:o No body actually told him that I was From Sheffield, poor lad.

My father (Texan) and my partner (Yorkshire thru and thru) could never understand one another over the phone - I reckon both were trying too hard to outdo each other with their ridiculously strong accents. Soon as they met, though, they seemed to understand each other perfectly (could have been the international language of two men uniting against being surrounded by women:lol: )

Originally posted by Dr Feelgood
I have always found accent and dialect most fascinating concepts. I often wonder why and how it is that only by travelling a short distance (eg. Sheffield to Manchester or Liverpool) you notice people pronouncing the same words differently or using different words for the same common things. On the international level why is it that the English accent differs from that of Australia, New Zealand, America and South Africa? Anyone have any theories?

Anyway, as far as Britain is concerned all I can say is that the great diversity of accents and dialects in such a small country is to me one of the most wonderful things about it.

As I am a Yokshireman currently living in Glasgow I thought I'd give give you some tips on Glasgowspeak:

Aye = Yes
Naw = No
Nae (pronounced nay) bother= Don't worry/ don't mention it
The noo= Now
The Wean (pronounced wain) / Bairn= The kid
First please = Next please
Where do ya stay? = Where do you live?
How ya doon? = Hello
Fish Supper = Fish 'n' chips
A cannay = I am unable to
Ma hoose = My house
Ma heid (pronounced heed) = My head

Ain't the English language just great! :lol: :lol:

What a fab topic - as you can tell from the username - I'm a Glaswegian currently living in Sheffield. I LOVE the way folk down here call you duck back home its hen. Why the bird link??
There are also some quality insults in Glasgow too so if you are ever called a 'Heavy Dafty' or a 'Slabber Cabbage' DONT take it as a compliment. Also included in this list is ya rocket, ya bunnet, ya nugget, ya trumpet, ya bawbag (which is a term relating to the male scrotum!) These can be used in jest as terms of reference or as a prelude to a 'Glasgow Kiss'.
We also tend to mix up our vowels too so 'my arm' would b pronounced 'ma erm' in Glasgow jacket becomes 'jaicket' football becomes fitba pronounced fitbaw etc etc


:D

p.s. Just remembered. I was quite thrown on first arriving in Sheffield being referred to as 'Luv' or 'Luver'.
Getting on a bus and being told 'That'll be 2p luv'. I thought he was taking the ****.


When I was at uni I had some mates from Leeds and Halifax. They kept insisting that all Sheffielders called each other 'Duck' all the time.

I kept telling them that I'd lived here all my life and never heard one person call another 'Duck'. I think they were getting it confused for 'love'.

After reading this thread I've come to the conclusion that it's amazing that anyone outside of Sheffield understands a single word I say :lol:

On the international level why is it that the English accent differs from that of Australia, New Zealand, America and South Africa? Anyone have any theories?


I don't know about Australia or New Zealand but I think the American accent has developed more from an Irish accent than an English one. As for South Africa their accent developed from the Dutch (Boor) accent I think.

As a person born near Huddersfield, I was surprised to find that in Barnsley they have three varieties of teacake, just as we had in my local village. There's brown, white and currant. We also used to lake out and I knew people who lived near a ginnel. Incidentally does anyone know of the term 'agate' (as in he's agate mendin the fence) meaning - he is occupied mending the fence As I remember Barnsley used to be part of the West Riding of Yorkshire, perhaps that's why the dialect is similar. Now if Sheffield was also in the WR that will blow my theory. Can anyone remember?

My dad's originally from Penistone and he says "lets get agate" which to him means "lets get going" He comes out with all sorts of gems like that.
:idea: Thinking about it, do you think agate has something to do with gait? "gait" as in a way of walking or running? Maybe I'm thinking too hard. Hmm?

Originally posted by GHaywood
When I was at uni I had some mates from Leeds and Halifax. They kept insisting that all Sheffielders called each other 'Duck' all the time.

I kept telling them that I'd lived here all my life and never heard one person call another 'Duck'. I think they were getting it confused for 'love'.

Really!?! :o I think maybe you just don't realise it because you're used to it. :)

For a fine example, go to the bakery in the transport exchange! The women there call everyone "duck" :lol:

You're all mad!:lol:

Originally posted by Sidla
Bread cake: Why the hell do you people call a cob a bread cake? I've heard many other words for the humble cob, such as roll, bap and even batch, but before I came to Sheffield I'd never heard the expression 'bread cake'.

9 while 5: Where does the 'while' come from? We just settle with 9 to 5 or more correctly 9 until 5, but 9 while 5? Does that even make sense?

spice= sweets
chip oil = chippy
shois= shoes
beer off = off license

the list goes on!:?

Ah i like accent discussion - accents are great things.

although i dont have the strongest scouse accent i still have a hint or mild accent which i think is great personally. not only do people recognise where you are from but it gives u a bit of character and makes for a friendlier person i believe. also when out ive often been told by girls that they love my accent ! which is a bonus!! :D

When it isn't too broad, the Sheffield accent is one of the sexiest.

Originally posted by Red 2
Ah i like accent discussion - accents are great things.

although i dont have the strongest scouse accent i still have a hint or mild accent which i think is great personally. not only do people recognise where you are from but it gives u a bit of character and makes for a friendlier person i believe. also when out ive often been told by girls that they love my accent ! which is a bonus!! :D

Agreed! Moderation in all things ;)

Originally posted by waxy chuff
When it isn't too broad, the Sheffield accent is one of the sexiest.

I thought the accent was only available in broad !

yup the wirral accent is different from liverpool as its on the boundary of cheshire - it ranges from v posh to slight/mild mersey accents (Excluding Birkenhead)

never notices the difference when I was in 'Pool

Originally posted by Red 2
yup the wirral accent is different from liverpool as its on the boundary of cheshire - it ranges from v posh to slight/mild mersey accents (Excluding Birkenhead)

I will admit to being fond of the posher and milder Liverpool accent, and not just because the women are sexier / richer / have nicer cars ;)

I can detect even the slightest traces of Scouse in a persons accent - even in Woollybacks from Skelmersdale

Originally posted by XADRIAN
never notices the difference when I was in 'Pool

That's 'cos posh people don't shop there. They go to Chester instead!

does anyone think that the West Mids accent can be mistaken for a Liverpoodlian one?

Originally posted by XADRIAN
does anyone think that the West Mids accent can be mistaken for a Liverpoodlian one?

You mean a Brummy accent? Never !

come on abby Liverpool has some of the sexiest women!

chester is nice and good for shopping but Liverpools shopping centre beats many other big cities hands down! i mean Birkenhead town centre has a bigger shopping centre than Sheffield and thats saying something!!!

Posh girls are well sexy but they can often come across as cold and selfish... fact

Posh southern girls are horny, admitted. But give me a nice Irish burr, or a Sheffield twang any day of the week.

And I can positively guarantee that the best accent on blokes is mine - southwest scotland.

Originally posted by Red 2
come on abby Liverpool has some of the sexiest women!

True - until they open their mouths!

chester is nice and good for shopping but Liverpools shopping centre beats many other big cities hands down! i mean Birkenhead town centre has a bigger shopping centre than Sheffield and thats saying something!!!

A wannabee scouser insulting our great city?! We're not gonna stand for that, are we boys and girls?!

Posh girls are well sexy but they can often come across as cold and selfish... fact

True enough, my friend. A student friend of mine was studying at a Liverpool Uni and said to me this:

'Southern girls are nice on the outside, but bitches on the inside. Scouse girls are bitches on the outside, and bitches on the inside'

there were some nice looking blokes when I went to L'Pool which you can't find here in Sheffield.

The accent if mild like my blokes is lovely...don't like the broad accent though

ah come on abby! i know ya got something against the pool cos of the bad bits but dont tar the good bits with the same stick ;)

im just very pleased that it won the 2008 European capital of culture :)

Originally posted by Red 2
ah come on abby! i know ya got something against the pool cos of the bad bits but dont tar the good bits with the same stick ;)

im just very pleased that it won the 2008 European capital of culture :)

Me too! If the job market improves (and the house prices fall) I will seriously consider moving back there! At the moment, there's a lack of jobs, and high house prices - which is quite a major contradiction!

ah ok matey :)

ever perused Heswall, Gayton, Caldy? round those areas? beautiful..


rather pricey tho :/

lookin at average price of £600,000 + there

Originally posted by Red 2
ah ok matey :)

ever perused Heswall, Gayton, Caldy? round those areas? beautiful..


rather pricey tho :/

lookin at average price of £600,000 + there

No no! Did you see that house buying programme - I think it was on Channel 4 or 5 a couple of weeks ago.

A couple paid £100,000 for a terrace in Wavertree!

An average terrace, in an average street, in an average area at an incredibly above average price!

When I think of Wavertree, I think of people who are too snobby to live in Toxteth, but are too poor to live in Allerton.

£100,000 !!!! And it's all so ... A V E R A G E ! ! !


Whew! Got that off my chest!

lol.. never lived in liverpool..

Originally posted by Red 2
lol.. never lived in liverpool..

Then why do you get so upset when I condemn it ?

because i live 5-10 mins away.. just over the mersey, and spend a lot of time there...

live closer to the city centre than a lot of resident liverpudlians... immensely proud of the city too :)

So you shouldn't put Liverpool down as your location then, you naughty boy

well no one knows where the wirral is!!!

if the wirral had a cathedral itd be a city i spose.. but its a Metropolitan Borough

Give it time ... I'm sure Phil Redmond will produce a trashy Channel 4 sitcom based there for the benefit of the rest of the country

hehe corkhill is a legend :p

theres enough famous people from the wirral tho:

freddie starr
patricia routledge
Wilfred Owen
Jason Mcateer
stan boardman
glenda jackson
Michael Owen - just about

the list goes on

also Central Park in New York is based upon Birkenhead Park

altho theyre not very high profile celebs :p

altho wilfred owen was a superb poet :)

Originally posted by Red 2
also Central Park in New York is based upon Birkenhead Park

I thought it was based on Sefton Park, you cheeky young scamp

nope Birkenhead! guarantee it!

heres a few facts hehe:

1. Sugar magnate and founder of the gallery Sir Henry Tate is from Birkenhead.
2. World War One poet and soldier Wilfred Owen is also from the town.
FAMOUS Wirral people in Parliament include:
3. Glenda Jackson MP for Hampstead and Highgate, ex-actress.
4. Deputy Prime Minister John Prescott went to school in Ellesmere Port, South Wirral.
5. Former Prime Minister Harold Wilson went to Wirral Grammar School.
6. Wirral's most famous 'unknown' son is a chap called Crapper, who came up with the greatest modern invention as listed in the top 100- the toilet system. It is the number one invention followed by the computer, the printing press, fire, the wheel, radio, etc.
7. Other famous Wirralians include rugby player Austin Healey, 'Hyancinth Bucket' actress Patricia Routledge and Olympic cyclist Chris Boardman.
8. Birkenhead Park was the inspiration for New York Central Park as it was the world's first urban park.
9. Birkenhead was also the first town in the world to have a tram system.
10. George Washington's grand parents allegedly lived at The Elms, Park Road, Meols, Wirral.
11. Shirley Valentine actress Pauline Collins is from New Brighton.
12. Music hall star Hetty King (who 'sang all the nice girls love a sailor') was from New Brighton.
13. Nashville king of country and western Charlie Landsborough is from Birkenhead.
14. Blonde Bombshell from Birkenhead Lily Savage is from ..Tranmere.

England cricket legend Ian Botham and national radio DJ John Peel are both from the area as well.

http://www.wirral-mbc.gov.uk/Info/wirral.asp

Originally posted by Red 2
nope Birkenhead! guarantee it!

That's not what my driving instructor said (all learner drivers in Liverpool go to Sefton Park - it's free from the scally boy racers that make driving in Liverpool so, err, exciting)

ah well he lied!

Yep, I believe it was Birkenhead Park that was an influence on Central Park. More info here:

http://www.wirral.gov.uk/er/birkpark.htm


(And apologies for how staggeringly off topic this is - sorry!)

My young friends, it appears you are both correct.

Sefton Park is sometimes called Liverpool's Central Park, where the confusion (or that of my driving instructor) occurred :blush:

http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g186337-d215462-r1128126-Sefton_Park-Liverpool_Greater_Liverpool_England.html

Many thanks to you both :)

Originally posted by Red 2
if the wirral had a cathedral itd be a city i spose.. but its a Metropolitan Borough A cathedral does not a city make. Common misconception.

really? oh i thought it did..

If you think the Sheffield accent is "interesting" try going to Hull :o :o :o

makes us North Easterners sound like royalty :lol:

Interesting thread this.

As a (fairly) old-timer it seems to me that regional accents and particularly dialects are in decline. At secondary school in the fifties using tha (thou) thi (thee) and thine was second-nature to most kids of my background but was strongly discouraged (even punished) by teachers. (da and de etc. is just sloppy talk).

My grandfather said the teachers were out of order as thou/thee when used as singular pronouns were gramatically correct, - and had been so since medieval times; using 'you' instead was just a lazy southern affectation.

I've travelled widely and lived in many different corners of the UK but only found the use of thou/thee speech persists in this south-western corner of Yorkshire - does it linger on anywhere else ?

My favourite Sheffieldism...

ooworriwe -or worribyimsen ?

who was he with -or was he on his own ?

GB

how about 'tin't in t' tin
it isn't in the tin

Originally posted by greennigel
how about 'tin't in t' tin
it isn't in the tin

The rent money ? Dad took it down t'pub :lol:

I think it is not just Sheffield it is the whole of Yorkshire that has invented a new language.

A bun is a cake
and a cake is a bun
and if you want currants in either then you had better say so

and you get your hot coffee in a beaker

.....I am not sure what you get your cold squash in but I am still working on that ....

A puzzled woman who is "not from round here"

x

Originally posted by LouiseB
I think it is not just Sheffield it is the whole of Yorkshire that has invented a new language.

A bun is a cake
and a cake is a bun
and if you want currants in either then you had better say so

and you get your hot coffee in a beaker

.....I am not sure what you get your cold squash in but I am still working on that ....

A puzzled woman who is "not from round here"

x

Aren't currant buns now sold as Muffins ? I think a tea-cake has currants and sultanas. In Gregg's you can buy the tea-cake mix as a fruit loaf...lovely toatsed.

Cofee usually comes in a mug or a cup and saucer.

You can get a cold squash on supertram any January morning during the rush hour...the doors are never closed long enough for it to get warm...:lol:

GB

I have an "interesting" accent or so I've been told, part broad Yorkshire, part Scouse and part Mancunian apparently.

I went to barnsley college for a year and everyone thinks im a commoner!

a certain male on this forum called me that i was insulted!

my parents are from donny asnd they think i am a commoner aswell.

personally, i like my accent and i think you should be proud of where you come from!
s
xx

RPG - just took out some symbols

eeeeeee, id seh tha's right lass!

Today's Lecture: Dialect words!

Words used by Sheffielders, such as:

Clobber
Breadcake

(Caprice's mind collapses)

Errrmmm well you know the rest! Well they are dialect words! Slightly different from "accent" so they shouldn't be classed as an accent.

Sorry for boring you all... I'm doing A level language and have just covered this... I'm supposed to get all mad when someone confuses accent and dialect but frankly I can't be bothered! lol!

Study English Language!!! It'll make you as picky as hell!

Originally posted by Spacehopper
8) Nah Den Ace..........

Wot dee doin' dahn deer, dee dart daft c*** dee!!!!!!!



Very true, my friend. I rec there's about 7 different accents just in Sheffield (one for each of the hills, maybe?)

Some say thee, some say dee. The tongue has to do less work saying dee.........Some say dee is being lazy, some say dee is purer - just as water always finds the easiest route to flow.

I'm f*cked if I know the answer..........so ***** dee all!!!!!!

Regards,

Spacehopper.


Some, shock horror, say 'you', and, even more shock horror, speak PROPERLY.

Originally posted by RPG
anyone live near a jennel (ginnnle) :lol:

What? In Kiveton Park, we weren't rich enough to have jennels.:P

My favourite sheffield saying is nesh - never heard it anywhere else

What does 'nesh' mean?

nesh = a wimp

Oh ok. I can't say I've ever heard that one.

Great topic!

I heard a radio programme once that explained the development of accents/dialects as a way to instantly identify where someone was from. I'll try to explain what I remember as the reason behind it.

One of the hardest things to do as an actor is to put on an accent so well that natives think you're one of them. Before a certain age it seems that you can change your accent (if anyone moved whilst young you'll know how important this is). After early teens or so your accent gets more or less 'fixed' and can only be changed with hours of tedious elocution (pointless these days imho), classes such as acting or slowly by being in a different environment. Even if your accent does change it's likely to be a blend rather than changeover - and odd dialect words will pop through to give you away.

So accents can identify your origins with a few words - and often pin you down to a particular village. Being able to identify the origins of strangers like this is useful if you need to decide whether to help them - as people from your village would be quite likely to be related (distantly at least) to you and therefore you are biologically determined to help them more than unrelated people.

This sort of explanation may help to explain why lots of people find other accents from their own sexy - it helps vary the gene pool.

thanks for all the sheffieldisms - all we need now is someone to do a handy phrase book to take out shopping - or maybe a linguaphone course :lol:

I bin here in oz 32yrs me mam still calls em bread cakes & we all still thee & thou, its wonderful when we all get together, ya no bacin towdays wen we wer poor, most aussies would'nt know what we were talking about. :

Originally posted by RPG
nesh = a wimp

thought it was not liking the cold...similar thing i suppose

I thought it meant cold too.
Chloé

Originally posted by t020
What does 'nesh' mean?

Originally posted by Spacehopper
So, if you wish to hear the word nesh being used, simply go down to Bramall Lane!!!!!
Where you will see the Sheffield Wednesday players 'neshing' it all night long! :lol: :P 8)

Thanks, i aim to please!

Originally posted by Sidla
Being from Leicester I find the Sheffield accent fascinating. I'm also confused as to why Sheffielders have different words for things that I've never heard in other parts of the country. A couple of examples:

Bread cake: Why the hell do you people call a cob a bread cake? I've heard many other words for the humble cob, such as roll, bap and even batch, but before I came to Sheffield I'd never heard the expression 'bread cake'.

9 while 5: Where does the 'while' come from? We just settle with 9 to 5 or more correctly 9 until 5, but 9 while 5? Does that even make sense?

I can't think of anymore examples at the moment, but if I think of anymore I'll let you know.


ey up sithe love ar tha orl reight!!!

Nesh = cowardly, scared, a softy.....etc....so if someone thinks your nesh - they think your a wimp ;)

Nesh = cowardly, scared, a softy.....etc....so if someone thinks your nesh - they think your a wimp

Lived in Sheffield all my life and always took nesh to mean that you can't take the cold weather ie - you need to put a coat/jacket on when it's not really cold

If you want a few hints and tips on how to speak Sheffieldese, then check out

www.jimsdesk.co.uk/language.html

Any contributions gratefully accepted! :lol:

Originally posted by Funke88
As a Sheffielder born and bred and now living in Florida, I get sick and tired of people asking me if I'm from Australia.
They always say "Oh, well y'all sound the same"
What really erks me is when they ask what part of London I am from?!??!?!?!?!
"Really and what part of Canada are you from" I reply.
For crying out loud!
Americans always think my accent is so cute. Well I've never been described as cute before. Hugh Grant maybe! lol 8)

I used to take the mick out of Canadian accents, especially those of the likes of Lloyd Grossman, and those in Canada who say "aboot" instead of "about" (That partly comes from watching the South Park movie, :lol: )

Originally posted by Abby
Give it time ... I'm sure Phil Redmond will produce a trashy Channel 4 sitcom based there for the benefit of the rest of the country

He already did nearly 20 years ago, and it was called Brookside.

I think I can help you with 9 while 5 :)

While, comes from whilst, meaning in the meantime or until ;)

and While is easier to say lol and we all know that language, like electricity will often take the easiest patch ehehehe


This is a great thread - was really good to read :)

"Good call" - Our Walkley-based relatives use this to mean a good idea. I am presuming this is Sheffield-wide...?

Alex :)

Originally posted by Rich
Those in Canada who say "aboot" instead of "about" (That partly comes from watching the South Park movie, :lol: )

They do say that but its not as pronounced at in SP.

They also say "Eyyy?" at the end of alot of sentances too :lol:

I don't know where the "aboot" thing comes from as everyone seems to suppose Canadians do it but I've never heard it. There might be some Ontario accents that come close to it I guess.

And it's "eh" not "eyyy" ;) Generally used as in, "Nice day out eh" or "Good game last night eh".

Originally posted by RPG
nesh = a wimp

I thought that being a bit NESH meant you felt a bit COLD ?

I'm sure my mom use to say, it's very NESH outside today !

Originally posted by poppins
I thought that being a bit NESH meant you felt a bit COLD ?

I'm sure my mom use to say, it's very NESH outside today !

Yeah I think it has become corrupted to mean that sometimes, because Nesh is usually used about someone who feels the cold badly.

We could never get through the day without saying "Shut your rotton gob" to somebody, usualy to a brother or sister, do the kids still say that now ? would be a shame to think all that nice talks been forgotten !

Originally posted by emilylouisa
People in Birmingham call you "Bab"

It's also an (affectionate??!) term for a baby

They also say buzz instead of bus e.g. am going to catch the Buzz now bab.
Brummy's also dont have a clue about lugholes, having a pot on yer leg, and are amazed when you tell them that in Sheffield you can use the c'*** word in a sentence without it being a swear word.
I c'*** do my homework last night.

Originally posted by Michael_W
Nesh = cowardly, scared, a softy.....etc....so if someone thinks your nesh - they think your a wimp ;)

As far as I remember when in Sheffield we used to say you "nesh git" to anyone complaining about it being cold.
But Brummy's dont have a clue what your on about if you say there Nesh.

I live in Preston but come from Sheff, came up to Sheff at crimbo and on xmas morning I opened a present entitled "Red Cross" with a note inside stating that it was an emergency food relief parcel.
My delightful mother after hearing my complaints about the lack of Sheff food, had made up a lovely package of, Hendersons Relish, Non-brewed condiment vinegar, chip shop batter mix, box of mushy peas and 2 big tins of Cod roe!!! I'd been complaining the lack of cod roe and fishcakes in the preston chippies and even the fish markets don't sell raw cod roe, she'd even put a pack of bread cakes in, cos the packaging here states that they are Barm Cakes. My 9 year old son thinks barm cakes are disgusting, must be the word Barm but he's quite happy to eat a bread-cake?!?!?!?!

I thought my speech was reasonable English until I lived in the US.

Whenever we used to go to local restaurants the waitresses always turned to my wife to translate what I had just said to them.

From this I reckon you can take the natives out of Sheffield but you cannot take Sheffield out of the natives!

Happy Days!

I'v lived in oz since 1969 and friends and my kids still take the micky out of my mustards and custards.