. .that Blade fan dive off of the top row of the leppings lane just after they scored and landed on one of the wheel chair posse below.

Not funny I know, but sat on the south, looked left and he came charging down, failed to stop and cartwheeled right over the top, got up and ran off. I could have sworn he was a gonner but know one around noticed it and no one I spoke too after did either.

Tell me I'm not going mad, tall ish kid, black jumper jeans, extremely ugly :) .

posted on match thread, plaintalker was hit by him and went to hospital

posted on match thread, plaintalker was hit by him and went to hospital

WTF hows PT?????????

Well, I'm still in the land of the living, via the Northern general. (many many thanks to them,and their kindness, ditto the ambulance service who attended)

No it was not at all funny, I have a trapped nerve, a cob on my head, where he landed on me, and whiplash. Paulblade was also whacked by this pillock, as the prat landed on me and partially on him, but was not hurt.

I missed the last half-hour or so of the match, which was annoying, but I was seen promptly, by the NGH staff, and checked over.

I'm going to have a "reyt" head on me, for a few days, no doubt, and am stiffening up with the whiplash, but I am ok, other than that, honestly.

(ps I didn't realise the prat had cartwheeled al the bloomin way down the stand before he belted me, no flippin' wonder I'm whiplashed! All I know was that the idiot came from the tier above the wheelchair-viewing area, and landed on me and PB.

The galling thing was, there was a steward, standing right bang-smack next to me, and he did chuff-all!!!

He tipped over the edge sideways after bouncing down the steps. A few stewards were on the ledge afterwards looking round but didnt see where he ran back off too .

I'll gladly sign a witness statement for 20 % :) .

He tipped over the edge sideways after bouncing down the steps. A few stewards were on the ledge afterwards looking round but didnt see where he ran back off too .

I'll gladly sign a witness statement for 20 % :) .

I don't know if I could identify him, he whacked me from the back. I just got a glimpse of this ginger-ish bloke, short hair, that was it. I could not believe the steward standing beside me, and apparently not seeing a thing. All I could see were "stars", as I was a bit dazed.

He saw the flare about 30 seconds to a minute later, mind you.

Blades fans injuring each other. Sounds about right.

i saw him, i didnt know what it was then he got up and did one, he was wearing a black t-shirt or jumper want he

it was obviously an accident but he should have stopped and apologised to PT and the other people he fell on, i bet he would have had a skinful and then bricked it when he realised he'd hurt someone.

I don't know if I could identify him, he whacked me from the back. I just got a glimpse of this ginger-ish bloke, short hair, that was it. I could not believe the steward standing beside me, and apparently not seeing a thing. All I could see were "stars", as I was a bit dazed.

He saw the flare about 30 seconds to a minute later, mind you.

The stewards were not doing their job, obviously. Where there is blame there is a claim! :hihi:

i'm so glad everybody is ok, and i'm so sorry for laughing at my desk about this, but i really cant believe what i've just been reading, PL glad you ok, but if you saw this from the wednesday stand it must have look right funny

PL, try and get CCTV Pictures and log a complaint against SWFC / Police, might be your best way of getting some cash out of this!!

still gald your ok

its not really swfc's fault that a pig went flying of top tier should get the cctv and identify the man who actually fell of the top tier

its not really swfc's fault that a pig went flying of top tier should get the cctv and identify the man who actually fell of the top tier

Don't get me wrong, I was joking about claiming, but it is SWFC's responsibility to keep all of it's customers safe so if there was a claim it would be their 'fault'.

Don't get me wrong, I was joking about claiming, but it is SWFC's responsibility to keep all of it's customers safe so if there was a claim it would be their 'fault'.

Are people that dumb that we now need "jumping from this stand will damage your health" on all upper tier stands?

That's awful, but heavens that you weren't more seriously injured PT.

Glad you're OK Pt, and sorry the incident ruined your day.

It's not the only place we could do with a safety net, though.

when people buy a ticket they agree to abide by the ground and safety rules and regulations of the stadium, clearly this idiot wasnt doing either, so the blame lays squarely on his shoulders, once identified he should have the book thrown at him. maybe the blame should be on the pubs/off licences and supermarkets who probably sold/allowed him to consume copious amounts of booze just before entering the ground for the game thus impairing his balance and common sense,

Are people that dumb that we now need "jumping from this stand will damage your health" on all upper tier stands?

No, because people are that likely to sue!

when people buy a ticket they agree to abide by the ground and safety rules and regulations of the stadium, clearly this idiot wasnt doing either, so the blame lays squarely on his shoulders, once identified he should have the book thrown at him. maybe the blame should be on the pubs/off licences and supermarkets who probably sold/allowed him to consume copious amounts of booze just before entering the ground for the game thus impairing his balance and common sense,

I agree, the guy is an idiot, but if PT wanted to make a claim it wouldn't be against him it would be against the club. They would then pass it on to their insurance company who would most likely settle a claim. The blame for him being drunk would not be with the people who sold it to him but to the club for allowing him into the ground when they have said they will not allow people who are drunk into the ground.

I don't actually agree with this blame culture, but that's the way it is now, people will sue for anything and most of the time insurance companies will settle because it is cheaper.

if i had seen that happen i'd of had a laugh until i knew someone was injured. bet he felt like a right idiot. glad you wasn't injured too much but sad you didn't get the full match in. ask nicely and wednesday might give you a free ticket to the palace game as compo;)

No, because people are that likely to sue!



I agree, the guy is an idiot, but if PT wanted to make a claim it wouldn't be against him it would be against the club. They would then pass it on to their insurance company who would most likely settle a claim. The blame for him being drunk would not be with the people who sold it to him but to the club for allowing him into the ground when they have said they will not allow people who are drunk into the ground.

I don't actually agree with this blame culture, but that's the way it is now, people will sue for anything and most of the time insurance companies will settle because it is cheaper.

same old blaaaades....always sueing!!! joke!!!!!

same old blaaaades....always sueing!!! joke!!!!!

You might joke, but lets hope McCabe doesn't hear about it! :hihi:

Sounds like it could have been a lot worse, what a donut.

Glad your oreyt though pt :)

No, because people are that likely to sue!



I agree, the guy is an idiot, but if PT wanted to make a claim it wouldn't be against him it would be against the club. They would then pass it on to their insurance company who would most likely settle a claim. The blame for him being drunk would not be with the people who sold it to him but to the club for allowing him into the ground when they have said they will not allow people who are drunk into the ground.

I don't actually agree with this blame culture, but that's the way it is now, people will sue for anything and most of the time insurance companies will settle because it is cheaper.
thats why i said he may have had the booze just before entering the ground, he could have looked and indeed been sober as a judge while at the turnstiles and the not shown signs of drunkeness untill the time of the incident itself, the club cant stand there and breath test every fan that goes through the turnstiles

Pity its not on video.Would sell bucket loads...

if i had seen that happen i'd of had a laugh until i knew someone was injured. bet he felt like a right idiot. glad you wasn't injured too much but sad you didn't get the full match in. ask nicely and wednesday might give you a free ticket to the palace game as compo;)

It is partially funny, as it's such a bizarre way for me to have been injured. I still can't quite believe that this bloke could have been so stupid as to do such a thing.
However the pain, and headache, etc, I've had since yesterday (worsening) is not at all funny. It rotten-well hurts.

Sounds like it could have been a lot worse, what a donut.

Glad your oreyt though pt :)

cheers, for that, IanG. Yes, it could have been so much worse. He could have broken my neck. (or even better, broken his own!)

No, because people are that likely to sue!



I agree, the guy is an idiot, but if PT wanted to make a claim it wouldn't be against him it would be against the club. They would then pass it on to their insurance company who would most likely settle a claim. The blame for him being drunk would not be with the people who sold it to him but to the club for allowing him into the ground when they have said they will not allow people who are drunk into the ground.



Please stop talking rubbish.

The club's insurers would laugh this out of the office. Trust me on that. If that landed on my desk, I'd think "what a cock" and bin it. Hope you're ok PT and that you get better soon.

Please stop talking rubbish.

The club's insurers would laugh this out of the office. Trust me on that. If that landed on my desk, I'd think "what a cock" and bin it. Hope you're ok PT and that you get better soon.

Haven’t the club got some kind a “duty of care “for people on their premises, I would have thought questions need asking:-

Should the fan have been there if he was that drunk?

Are the wall / barrier high enough?

Is stewarding adequate?


To simply say “what a cock” is hardly likely to stop it happening again and next time the outcome could be more serious.

Please stop talking rubbish.

The club's insurers would laugh this out of the office. Trust me on that. If that landed on my desk, I'd think "what a cock" and bin it. Hope you're ok PT and that you get better soon.

Just for clarification:- About whom would you think "what a c*ck?" The dipstick who landed on me, or me, for thinking I should be compensated for my injuries?

Thanks, BTW, Moosey, for your good wishes.

I'm still very stiff and sore, and I have a banging head that I would not even wish on my mother-in-law ;)

I received whiplash injuries before, some 20-odd years ago, in a car that had a bump, so I know pretty much what to expect, pain-wise, and that it'll get worse for a few days/ week or so before there's any hope of improvement. 20 years ago there wasn't the "claim, claim" sort of nature that seems to be prevalent,today, so I never put a claim in.

I do think the steward standing beside me should have apprehended the idiot who dived onto me, and that he could at least have asked/checked if I was alright. AFAIK, one of the duties of care incumbent on the stewards is to ascertain if someone/ anyone is hurt, after an incident like that, and, if they are hurt, to arrange that the first-aiders/ medical staff are summoned.

None of that happened. I had to seek out another steward, and ask them to summon a first aider, as I realised that the injury I sustained had the potential to be dicey.

Haven’t the club got some kind a “duty of care “for people on their premises, I would have thought questions need asking:-

Should the fan have been there if he was that drunk?

Are the wall / barrier high enough?

Is stewarding adequate?


To simply say “what a cock” is hardly likely to stop it happening again and next time the outcome could be more serious.

We already don't sell the front couple of rows on the top tier, (and on the bottom as well for some unfathomable reason), so how do you legislate for some arse taking it upon himself to run down to the front and jump over the barrier? It'd be like taking legal action against the council because somebody walked into the road in front of a car.

Haven’t the club got some kind a “duty of care “for people on their premises, I would have thought questions need asking:-

Should the fan have been there if he was that drunk?.

AFAIK it IS illegal to be intoxicated in a football stadium. that behaviour from the idiot, surely cannot have been that of a sober man? I have had my concerns for some time about the consumption of Alcohol in and around stadia.

Are the wall / barrier high enough?.

I don't believe it could have been- especially at the bottom of the flight of stairs. I believe, across the front of the seats, where fans were sitting peaceably, yes it's fine, but IMO, no, not at the stairs, where this imbecile came over.

Is stewarding adequate?.
again I would say that in the immediate vicinity of the incident, no.

If it were, then the steward standing by me would have checked my injuries there and then. If he could see a flare being let off about 10 feet from me, a minute or two later, he could see the idiot land on me, right beside him.


To simply say “what a cock” is hardly likely to stop it happening again and next time the outcome could be more serious.

I was surprised that neither I nor the idiot sustained injuries that were more serious, in the incident. as I said above, I could have sustained a broken neck, the idiot could have been injured badly (unfortunately, he wasn't- I suspect the drunkenness made him a bit looser, a bit floppy, so he didn't brace for impact, which is where many injuries come from)

We already don't sell the front couple of rows on the top tier, (and on the bottom as well for some unfathomable reason), so how do you legislate for some arse taking it upon himself to run down to the front and jump over the barrier? It'd be like taking legal action against the council because somebody walked into the road in front of a car.

at The Lane, on the upper tier in the "away" end, we have stewards at the bottom of the stairs, (and placed at intervals along the barrier)

PT my love.

Is this the first man that has fallen for you in a long time or are you just a natural stud magnet??:hihi:.:hihi:.

I'm glad your on the mend by the way.:).:).

at The Lane, on the upper tier in the "away" end, we have stewards at the bottom of the stairs, (and placed at intervals along the barrier)

Don’t let people make you feel “guilty”, generally speaking the claims culture is out of hand but nobody can doubt what happened to you..

I don’t know what al_partridge does but it sounds like his cage as been rattled, if they couldn’t prevent the incident was their response to the aftermath adequate?

PT my love.

Is this the first man that has fallen for you in a long time or are you just a natural stud magnet??:hihi:.:hihi:.

I'm glad your on the mend by the way.:).:).

Thank you. I'm trying to keep chipper through the pain and the dopiness induced by the pain killers.

No, normally I get the chaps to fall for me by "legging them up" with my chariot. ;)

It's amazing just how many nice-looking chaps you can get falling onto your lap using that ruse. ( ;) lol just jesting )

hehehehe

PT my love.

Is this the first man that has fallen for you in a long time or are you just a natural stud magnet??:hihi:.:hihi:.

I'm glad your on the mend by the way.:).:).

:hihi::hihi::hihi:

Don’t let people make you feel “guilty”, generally speaking the claims culture is out of hand but nobody can doubt what happened to you..

I don’t know what al_partridge does but it sounds like his cage as been rattled, if they couldn’t prevent the incident was their response to the aftermath adequate?

I was very impressed by the great work done by the responders (the ambulance team) who were in attendance at the ground, and their swift reactions when they were called. they were fantastic, I can't thank them, or the Nor Gen A&E staff enough.

However I do think that the reaction (or rather NON-reaction) of the steward standing next to me was piddle-poor. it left a heck of a LOT to be desired IMO.

I'm presuming a report will have been made to the Ground, and logged in an incident book (I know we have to log accidents/ incidents, at work, as per H&S law) so the ground will be aware that I sustained this bizarre injury.

Having the Hillsborough Disaster forever hovering over our club, the stewarding should be second to none. We can't be the the best football team in the country, but we could aspire to having the best stewarded club in the country.

I hope you feel better soon PT.

Having the Hillsborough Disaster forever hovering over our club, the stewarding should be second to none. We can't be the the best football team in the country, but we could aspire to having the best stewarded club in the country.

I hope you feel better soon PT.

Bumped in to a scouser at the game, returning to hillsbrough for the first time in 21 years, he was a little subdued but buried a few demons on Sunday.

He was loanee Connellys nephew.

Having the Hillsborough Disaster forever hovering over our club, the stewarding should be second to none. We can't be the the best football team in the country, but we could aspire to having the best stewarded club in the country.

I hope you feel better soon PT.
As i've said before at SWFC there are at least 4 different stewarding companies including the in house SWFC stewards and quite a large contigent of SUFC stewards aswell, stewarding is very seasonal I.E you get more in the hot weather but as soon snow or rain comes the numbers drop dramatically, all i can say is these agencies should be better trained as when the numbers drop they have to get bodies from somewhere and im afraid a lot are shirt fillers( you sheff utd lot should know this) as a large number of your stewards are students just looking to make a quick buck.
Out of interest concerning the claim against a club, did the little girl who got hit with the rocket fired from the home stand at the lane a few years back get any compensation from sufc?

Having the Hillsborough Disaster forever hovering over our club, the stewarding should be second to none. We can't be the the best football team in the country, but we could aspire to having the best stewarded club in the country.


I don't really want to raise bad memorys for anyone but have you been to the leppings lane end recently?The space behind the turnstiles but before the stand
used to be open so there was plenty of space for people to stand and smoke or have a rie, now they have split this in 2 with huge iron sheets to separate people who go upstairs from downstairs, at half time on sunday the doors between these 2 separate areas were closed and locked but what that did was make it pretty narrow when you come out of the leppings lane lower stand in the middle.

If there was a rush to get out of the stand then them doors were locked i think it could turn into quite a nasty situation quite quickly.

Just a thought, did any other blades this this?

I don't really want to raise bad memorys for anyone but have you been to the leppings lane end recently?The space behind the turnstiles but before the stand
used to be open so there was plenty of space for people to stand and smoke or have a rie, now they have split this in 2 with huge iron sheets to separate people who go upstairs from downstairs, at half time on sunday the doors between these 2 separate areas were closed and locked but what that did was make it pretty narrow when you come out of the leppings lane lower stand in the middle.

If there was a rush to get out of the stand then them doors were locked i think it could turn into quite a nasty situation quite quickly.

Just a thought, did any other blades this this?

I've not been in it since supporter segregation came into force, I never liked the lower level though because of the poor view if you ended up standing at the front. I can't even remember what the service area was like then, if you think there is a safety issue for god's sake report it, I can't look at that part of the stand without thinking of the 96.

did the little girl who got hit with the rocket fired from the home stand at the lane a few years back get any compensation from sufc?

I don’t know do you?

I don’t know do you?

He wouldn't have asked had he known, would he? :confused:

He wouldn't have asked had he known, would he? :confused:

Sometimes people ask sarcastic rhetorical questions

He wouldn't have asked had he known, would he? :confused:

You answered a question before you asked it, didn't you?:hihi::hihi:.

You answered a question before you asked it, didn't you?:hihi::hihi:.

I suppose that I did.

Just for clarification:- About whom would you think "what a c*ck?" The dipstick who landed on me, or me, for thinking I should be compensated for my injuries?

Thanks, BTW, Moosey, for your good wishes.



Sorry PT I should have made that clearer - I was referring to the idiot who jumped on you. It'd be one of those situations where you'd of course done nothing wrong. Sorry bout that.

Haven’t the club got some kind a “duty of care “for people on their premises, I would have thought questions need asking:-

Should the fan have been there if he was that drunk?

Are the wall / barrier high enough?

Is stewarding adequate?


To simply say “what a cock” is hardly likely to stop it happening again and next time the outcome could be more serious.


They do but not to that extent. They only have to do what's reasonable.

They can't eject everyone who's had a drink. In honesty we don't know if this guy was hammered or just stupid. We don't know if he'd shown any signs previously of being too drunk or causing problems, unless I've missed that.

Barriers are likely to be fine simply because people have to see over them. The alternative is barriers so high that no one can ever fall over them, but conversely no one can see. (Or glass screens or some other equally random suggestion)

I appreciate my thoughts don't help stop it happening, but you never could. You never could account for people's stupidity and their ability, safety measures or not, to hurt themselves and others.

The issue is one of reasonable foreseeability, to get back to the original point. The club wouldn't be at fault, because no one, ever, could foresee that some strange person would decide to cartwheel down a stand and fall over a barrier. Unless they're mystic meg. That's my point. The club aren't to blame, although I suspect there'd be a few on here that would like them to be.

The lad was drunk and the result of his actions have ended in him having to have an operation today on his broken ankle.

Serves him right!

Please stop talking rubbish.

The club's insurers would laugh this out of the office. Trust me on that. If that landed on my desk, I'd think "what a cock" and bin it. Hope you're ok PT and that you get better soon.

I don't think I'm talking rubbish at all and I don't trust you on that. You may think the guy is an idiot, and I agree, but what would that have to do with PT making a claim? Seriously, if you work for an insurance company that offers public liability coverage and you don't pay out on claims like this then I want to know which company, I think everyone who owns and runs a venue would love to know, because our insurance company will pay just about any claim, no matter how stupid. People have claimed for trapping their fingers in doors and slipping over while they were running in the rain and been paid, so I'd like to sign up with your company!

I think you would find they would pay out, i've seen lots and lots of insurance claims paid for a lot less. People who run out in front cars have been given hundreds of thousands. People who injure themselves with equipment that they know is faulty have received massive payouts.

An insurance company would never just 'laugh something out of the office' unless they were a cowboy outfit. They would investigate an incident like this and decide if there was any blame on the part of the club. It would be up to the club to prove that they had done everything they could to stop the risks. It would be interesting to see their risk assesments for the danger of drunk people in the ground and also for people falling over the edge. I wonder what actions they have said they would take to minimize the risk and if they actually did them.

I don't blame the club at all, and I don't agree with the way insurance companies pay out because it is easier than fighting it in court, the who system and this blame culture makes me very angry.

I'm just very glad that PT wasn't more seriously injured and I hope it doesn't take too long to recover!

Barriers are likely to be fine simply because people have to see over them. The alternative is barriers so high that no one can ever fall over them, but conversely no one can see. (Or glass screens or some other equally random suggestion)



When at our ground the only thing stopping you see was the number of stewards lined up in front of the barrier.

The lad was drunk and the result of his actions have ended in him having to have an operation today on his broken ankle.

Serves him right!

At least we know who he is, then.

The lad was drunk and the result of his actions have ended in him having to have an operation today on his broken ankle.

Serves him right!

so he's been identifed?

Sorry PT I should have made that clearer - I was referring to the idiot who jumped on you. It'd be one of those situations where you'd of course done nothing wrong. Sorry bout that.

Thanks for the clarification on that one, Moosey I wasn't quite sure which way to read that one. :D

so he's been identifed?

Go for it PT, if he as been to a hospital It wouldn’t be hard for the police to sort it out.

I don’t know do you?
I'm not taking the mick mate it was a serious question as to whether the club were held responsable for the burn injury incurred by the little girl or was it just put on the sheffield united fans shoulders who fired the rocket into the SWFC crowd?

I don't think I'm talking rubbish at all and I don't trust you on that. You may think the guy is an idiot, and I agree, but what would that have to do with PT making a claim? Seriously, if you work for an insurance company that offers public liability coverage and you don't pay out on claims like this then I want to know which company, I think everyone who owns and runs a venue would love to know, because our insurance company will pay just about any claim, no matter how stupid. People have claimed for trapping their fingers in doors and slipping over while they were running in the rain and been paid, so I'd like to sign up with your company!

I think you would find they would pay out, i've seen lots and lots of insurance claims paid for a lot less. People who run out in front cars have been given hundreds of thousands. People who injure themselves with equipment that they know is faulty have received massive payouts.

An insurance company would never just 'laugh something out of the office' unless they were a cowboy outfit. They would investigate an incident like this and decide if there was any blame on the part of the club. It would be up to the club to prove that they had done everything they could to stop the risks. It would be interesting to see their risk assesments for the danger of drunk people in the ground and also for people falling over the edge. I wonder what actions they have said they would take to minimize the risk and if they actually did them.

I don't blame the club at all, and I don't agree with the way insurance companies pay out because it is easier than fighting it in court, the who system and this blame culture makes me very angry.

I'm just very glad that PT wasn't more seriously injured and I hope it doesn't take too long to recover!

i completely agree.

i also think that all concerned would be looking to a quick and amicable solution to this incident.both SWFC and its public liability insurers would not welcome unwanted publicity relating to safety issues on leppings lane stand so near to the recent 21st anniversary.

its only one opinion,but i think you are well within your rights to institute proceedings via perhaps citizens advice or a no win no fee company.

i completely agree.

i also think that all concerned would be looking to a quick and amicable solution to this incident.both SWFC and its public liability insurers would not welcome unwanted publicity relating to safety issues on leppings lane stand so near to the recent 21st anniversary.

its only one opinion,but i think you are well within your rights to institute proceedings via perhaps citizens advice or a no win no fee company.

Many no win no fee firms can be poor, you might not even end up with a para-legal, try Graysons on Paradise Street, they have been around for years and specialise in compensation cases on a no win no fee basis. Also, in the unlikely event of the idiot who landed on you having contents insurance, he might just have public liability and legal expenses cover in his policy terms and conditions.

Many no win no fee firms can be poor, you might not even end up with a para-legal, try Graysons on Paradise Street, they have been around for years and specialise in compensation cases on a no win no fee basis. Also, in the unlikely event of the idiot who landed on you having contents insurance, he might just have public liability and legal expenses cover in his policy terms and conditions.i wouldnt touch graysons on paradise with a barge pole, very poor service. i can recommend keeble hawson

i wouldnt touch graysons on paradise with a barge pole, very poor service. i can recommend keeble hawson

When they took over Mundy Coutts-Wood they omitted to inform any of their clients, including me. A bad experience tends to tarnish your view, but do KH do no win no fee?

i wouldnt touch graysons on paradise with a barge pole, very poor service. i can recommend keeble hawson

perhaps Irwin Mitchell with their SWFC boardroom connections would be worth contacting.

When they took over Mundy Coutts-Wood they omitted to inform any of their clients, including me. A bad experience tends to tarnish your view, but do KH do no win no fee?yes they do no win no fee

perhaps Irwin Mitchell with their SWFC boardroom connections would be worth contacting.never used mitchells so i cant comment

I don't think I'm talking rubbish at all and I don't trust you on that. You may think the guy is an idiot, and I agree, but what would that have to do with PT making a claim? Seriously, if you work for an insurance company that offers public liability coverage and you don't pay out on claims like this then I want to know which company, I think everyone who owns and runs a venue would love to know, because our insurance company will pay just about any claim, no matter how stupid. People have claimed for trapping their fingers in doors and slipping over while they were running in the rain and been paid, so I'd like to sign up with your company!

I think you would find they would pay out, i've seen lots and lots of insurance claims paid for a lot less. People who run out in front cars have been given hundreds of thousands. People who injure themselves with equipment that they know is faulty have received massive payouts.

An insurance company would never just 'laugh something out of the office' unless they were a cowboy outfit. They would investigate an incident like this and decide if there was any blame on the part of the club. It would be up to the club to prove that they had done everything they could to stop the risks. It would be interesting to see their risk assesments for the danger of drunk people in the ground and also for people falling over the edge. I wonder what actions they have said they would take to minimize the risk and if they actually did them.

I don't blame the club at all, and I don't agree with the way insurance companies pay out because it is easier than fighting it in court, the who system and this blame culture makes me very angry.

I'm just very glad that PT wasn't more seriously injured and I hope it doesn't take too long to recover!

I don't mean to be funny my friend, but having been a PI solicitor for coming on 15 years, I can tell you that this would be absolutely hopeless as a claim, and they absolutely would not just pay it!

perhaps Irwin Mitchell with their SWFC boardroom connections would be worth contacting.

IM couldn't do it. Conflict of interests. Couldn't bring a claim against Wednesday as they represent them.

It is only by extreme good fortune PT has escaped serious injury, and thank God she has.

As well as bad publicity, as a result of this idiot's actions, once H&S get involved I can a situation where the club are forced to put some restraining material in front of those gangways, thereby preventing people sitting nearby having any view of the pitch..... Ok perhaps some say that may be a good thing.

All because of one prat's actions!

I don't mean to be funny my friend, but having been a PI solicitor for coming on 15 years, I can tell you that this would be absolutely hopeless as a claim, and they absolutely would not just pay it!

It's ok, I don't think you're being funny and I take no offense at all. I disagree, as someone who has been responsible for this sort of thing for venues. I have seen insurance companies settle for a lot less. Also, you seem quick to dismiss this without having any information from the club on what measures were taken to prevent this.

It is only by extreme good fortune PT has escaped serious injury, and thank God she has.

As well as bad publicity, as a result of this idiot's actions, once H&S get involved I can a situation where the club are forced to put some restraining material in front of those gangways, thereby preventing people sitting nearby having any view of the pitch..... Ok perhaps some say that may be a good thing.

All because of one prat's actions!

Exactly, the next thing we know we'd have the first 5 rows of every top tiered stand empty.

A fence of netting up obstructing the view, 2 lines of stewards holding hands etc etc etc.

Glad PT wasn't more seriously injured, just a pity the bloke who fell wasn't caught.

Exactly, the next thing we know we'd have the first 5 rows of every top tiered stand empty.

A fence of netting up obstructing the view, 2 lines of stewards holding hands etc etc etc.

Glad PT wasn't more seriously injured, just a pity the bloke who fell wasn't caught. then maybe a 10 foot fence around the pitch to stop drunken fans running on the pitch...oh no we've had that already and look were that got us

IM couldn't do it. Conflict of interests. Couldn't bring a claim against Wednesday as they represent them.

conflict of interest or not,my bet is that it would certainly expediate matters considerably.

you state that it would be absolutely hopeless as a claim.

i would certainly seek a second opinion before dismissing this option out of hand.

it has been stated that somewhat ironically it was an opposition fan that did the damage.this unfortunately,does not detract from the fact that the present conditions allowed the event to occur.

as another poster pointed out,getting involved with H+E can be an extremely unpleasant experience.one that any company could well do without.

any solicitor worth his salt would also know that hillsborough is presently being evaluated in the selection process for future world cup international matches and would perhaps mention this in his correspondence with SWFC.

this incident could potentially have very far reaching implications.

if i may i would like to wish both unfortunate victims of this idiot a speedy and complete recovery.


regards.

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as another poster pointed out,getting involved with H+E can be an extremely unpleasant experience.one that any company could well do without.

any solicitor worth his salt would also know that hillsborough is presently being evaluated in the selection process for future world cup international matches and would perhaps mention this in his correspondence with SWFC.

this incident could potentially have very far reaching implications.

if i may i would like to wish both unfortunate victims of this idiot a speedy and complete recovery.

regards.
If only the whole Leppings Lane end could just be bulldozed and rebuilt as part of the 2018 bid, as it should have been 21 years ago.

Are you refering to the person who went over the wall as an "unfortunate victim" as well as PT?

If so I would suggest there are better places and heights he could attempt sky diving from!

the stand the idiot cartwheeled down is going to be completely redeveloped anyway so the far reaching implications you speak of arnt that far reaching really as the stand as it is today may not exist in 4 years time

If only the whole Leppings Lane could be bulldozed and rebuilt as part of the 2018 bid, as it should have been 21 years ago.

Are you refering to the person who went over the wall as an "unfortunate victim"?

If so I would suggest there are better places and heights he could attempt sky diving from!

no im not. the earlier posts mentioned two people getting hurt by the faller.

the stand the idiot cartwheeled down is going to be completely redeveloped anyway so the far reaching implications you speak of arnt that far reaching really as the stand as it is today may not exist in 4 years time

is the redevolopment of the stand irrespective as to whether the ground is selected or not.?

no im not. the earlier posts mentioned two people getting hurt by the faller.
Ok, thanks for clearing that up.
I hadn't picked up that a second person was hurt, and thought that the second person mentioned was PT's "minder" for want of a better phrase.

All the best PT, hope the aches are subsiding now.

If it's any consolation you didn't miss anything in the last half hour, apart from a possibility of getting hit on the head by one of JJ's efforts that went 15 feet over the bar.

If only the whole Leppings Lane end could just be bulldozed and rebuilt as part of the 2018 bid, as it should have been 21 years ago.

Are you refering to the person who went over the wall as an "unfortunate victim" as well as PT?

If so I would suggest there are better places and heights he could attempt sky diving from!

no im not. the earlier posts mentioned two people getting hurt by the faller.

PB (who did, indeed attend with me as my "escort/ minder/ carer") got a bit of a whack, in passing from the cartwheeling eejit, but was not actually injured, being a burly, beefy ex-rugby-player.

I took the brunt of it, being pinioned between my wheelchair and the front of the stand with nowhere to go, even if I had been aware of this prat launching himself down the stand.

the stand the idiot cartwheeled down is going to be completely redeveloped anyway so the far reaching implications you speak of arnt that far reaching really as the stand as it is today may not exist in 4 years time
.... presumably that is if / when we get the bid?
... and have the money to do it?

and if not?

As I said, it should have been bulldozed around the same time as the Berlin wall.

Ok, thanks for clearing that up.
I hadn't picked up that a second person was hurt, and thought that the second person mentioned was PT's "minder" for want of a better phrase.

All the best PT, hope the aches are subsiding now.

If it's any consolation you didn't miss anything in the last half hour, apart from a possibility of getting hit on the head by one of JJ's efforts that went 15 feet over the bar.

The cob on my head is less sore, but my neck and arm (trapped nerve) are still uncomfortable, (pins and needles down arm).

I am narked that we missed the last 1/2 hour of the match, even though there was little "action". I'm narked that PB missed it having to prat about after me, seeing as that eejit injured me.

conflict of interest or not,my bet is that it would certainly expediate matters considerably.


Its really not that simple. If a conflict is identified, we're absolutely 100% not allowed to act, no matter how good the claim may be. IM 100% could not act against SWFC, nor any of the SIV companies, and quite a few other companies. I can tell you this beyond any doubt whatsoever.

I'm not taking the mick mate it was a serious question ?

No prob’s mate, I took it as an “open” question, I guess we will never know the answer.

Its really not that simple. If a conflict is identified, we're absolutely 100% not allowed to act, no matter how good the claim may be. IM 100% could not act against SWFC, nor any of the SIV companies, and quite a few other companies. I can tell you this beyond any doubt whatsoever.

maybe i was being too cryptic or perhaps too subtle.

im sure that the legal fraternity correspond far more out of courtrooms than in them.im not for one minute alleging that deals are done more for expedience than a clients benefit.but a solution put to the allegedly negligent parties legal representative would surely get fast tracked straight to the boardroom thus avoiding HE involvement or the chance of unsavoury and unwanted publicity.

im only trying to give the victim other options.im not for one minute disputing your superior legal knowledge.

regards.

Its really not that simple. If a conflict is identified, we're absolutely 100% not allowed to act, no matter how good the claim may be. IM 100% could not act against SWFC, nor any of the SIV companies, and quite a few other companies. I can tell you this beyond any doubt whatsoever.

Quite correct, you can't get past reception without a conflict of interest check.

Quite correct, you can't get past reception without a conflict of interest check.

i seem to have been unclear in my postings.

i have no legal training whatsoever and did not want to get involved in the legal technicalities at all.

my intention from the outset was to offer an opinion to the victim of the accident after the matter of compensation was brought up.

what i can say categorically is, if i had been in a wheelchair in a designated area in a place that i had been charged an admission fee to be in,and this had happened to me, then i would want to know how this was allowed to happen,who was in charge and who was responsible for my safety whilst in their care.

i dont know if you are associated with the club or just partisan but please dont take it as a slight against you or anyone. like i said just an option.

by the way,if it had been me who was assaulted it would now be in the letter section of the local and national press.

regards

i seem to have been unclear in my postings.

i have no legal training whatsoever and did not want to get involved in the legal technicalities at all.

my intention from the outset was to offer an opinion to the victim of the accident after the matter of compensation was brought up.

what i can say categorically is, if i had been in a wheelchair in a designated area in a place that i had been charged an admission fee to be in,and this had happened to me, then i would want to know how this was allowed to happen,who was in charge and who was responsible for my safety whilst in their care.

i dont know if you are associated with the club or just partisan but please dont take it as a slight against you or anyone. like i said just an option.

by the way,if it had been me who was assaulted it would now be in the letter section of the local and national press.

regards

Just explaining Conflict of Interest, I made the mistake of instructing our family solicitor to act on a lease issue for the company that I work for. By doing this I couldn't have used them in any action against my employer.

Just explaining Conflict of Interest, I made the mistake of instructing our family solicitor to act on a lease issue for the company that I work for. By doing this I couldn't have used them in any action against my employer.

thank you for taking the time to explain.

regards.