http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4193716.stm

i can see the right on lawyers foaming at the mouth already

What's the problem with this?

If the Australian authorities fail to carry out their duty to treat these people with the dignity they'd afford livestock and in that action scar them for life then they deserve to be brought to task in this way.

Why don't they sue the countries involved in making it impossible for them to live in their own country?

Originally posted by Carmine
What's the problem with this?

If the Australian authorities fail to carry out their duty to treat these people with the dignity they'd afford livestock and in that action scar them for life then they deserve to be brought to task in this way.

to be honest the lad should be grateful the australian goverment gave him refuge

Originally posted by Splodge_CRB
Why don't they sue the countries involved in making it impossible for them to live in their own country?
Might have something to do with the fact that many have already fled said countries after being threatened with imprisonment without charge, violence, torture and even death.

If a reigeme had killed most of your family and driven you to the point where you fled the country to escape it, would you be inclined to return to file suit against the butchers who run the place and fill the courts with judges?

Originally posted by panda79
to be honest the lad should be grateful the australian goverment gave him refuge
He probably is, but this is a separate issue.

If you adopted a child and then beat him black and blue or through neglect allowed him to come to harm the courts would hardly come to the conclusion that the fact you adopted him negated the harm that he later came to in your custody.

And if this is going to be the trend of things how many countries will take in refugees? If giving any kind of shelter is grounds for being sued then what if everyone assumes they'd rather take their chances in the land of their birth?
It's understandable that they're fed up of being in a detention centre but is it any worse than what they left behind?

*digs out big wooden spoon*

According to his lawyers, Shayan saw riots broken up with tear gas and water cannons, watched as people tried to commit suicide and was exposed to hunger strikes at the camp.

Doesn't that mean he was subjected to all those things by fellow inmates? :confused:

Originally posted by Strix
*digs out big wooden spoon*



Doesn't that mean he was subjected to all those things by fellow inmates? :confused:

Excellent point Strix! If they had behaved maybe they would all have found it more bearable!

it would appear that he should be suing the other refugees with whom he was detained. If they didn't riot then the riots would not be broken up, if they didn't attempt to commit suicide or go on hunger strike then he would not have witnessed those things.

Just because their country of origin was run by b*stards doesn't mean that australia should automatically grant them asylum. It has a policy of detaining them whilst their application is dealt with. Which seems reasonable.
That these people then riot, go on hunger strike, etc... makes them sound like the sort of people you wouldn't want to grant asylum too.

Originally posted by Carmine
Might have something to do with the fact that many have already fled said countries after being threatened with imprisonment without charge, violence, torture and even death.

If a reigeme had killed most of your family and driven you to the point where you fled the country to escape it, would you be inclined to return to file suit against the butchers who run the place and fill the courts with judges? i have noticed that a lot of these refugees are very quick to escape their oppressive regimes,why cant they fight back as the french and cheks did in the last war,running off to a land of milk and honey wont stop the governments in their own country from carrying on,they should make a stand,when they get here or there,they form self help groups to get their civil rights,these rights were born with the blood of patriots not runners

Originally posted by Cyclone
it would appear that he should be suing the other refugees with whom he was detained. If they didn't riot then the riots would not be broken up, if they didn't attempt to commit suicide or go on hunger strike then he would not have witnessed those things.

Just because their country of origin was run by b*stards doesn't mean that australia should automatically grant them asylum. It has a policy of detaining them whilst their application is dealt with. Which seems reasonable.
That these people then riot, go on hunger strike, etc... makes them sound like the sort of people you wouldn't want to grant asylum too.

Good points Cyclone! I also read that the lad has been in the Asylum Centre for 5 years, i thought the Aussie government would have sorted it out in this time.

But generally agree that this kind of thing cannot happen and Australia must not relent. If this lad wins (or shall we say his family wins), then it will create a big problem.

Maybe we'll sue the country for the stress caused by immigrants :D (joking lefties!)

Originally posted by depoix
i have noticed that a lot of these refugees are very quick to escape their oppressive regimes,why cant they fight back as the french and cheks did in the last war,running off to a land of milk and honey wont stop the governments in their own country from carrying on,they should make a stand,when they get here or there,they form self help groups to get their civil rights,these rights were born with the blood of patriots not runners

it doesn't sound like you have much of an understanding of how a brutal dictatorship runs.
These people are generally the poorest of the poor, peasants if you like. They have no weapons, no money, no organisation and little food.
How exactly should they fight back against their own corrupt government?

Originally posted by youwhatref

Maybe we'll sue the country for the stress caused by immigrants :D (joking lefties!)

i dont think this is a joke, i know several people who suffer from anxiety attacks relating to such stress. (well one or two anyway)

Originally posted by Cyclone
it doesn't sound like you have much of an understanding of how a brutal dictatorship runs.
These people are generally the poorest of the poor, peasants if you like. They have no weapons, no money, no organisation and little food.
How exactly should they fight back against their own corrupt government? there are ways and means, but if they are so poor how do they manage to travel the vast distances that they do to reach their selected countries,usually the country with good welfare benefits

Originally posted by Cyclone
How exactly should they fight back against their own corrupt government?

Far easier to flee to a softer government and then get some money grabbing lawyer to find a miniscule 'human rights' loophole and get a massive settlement and be set up for life!

Originally posted by depoix
there are ways and means, but if they are so poor how do they manage to travel the vast distances that they do to reach their selected countries,usually the country with good welfare benefits

asylum seekers to australia generally make a dangerous sea crossing on a heavily overloaded boat or even raft.
Many die trying to make the crossing, whilst the australian navy rescue quite a few and some even manage to make landfall.

It's certainly not some easy trip that they make. They take a very real risk with their lives in order to escape to a better life.

I clearly don't agree that they should win cases such as this though. Any trauma the child has suffered is down to the detainees he was with, not the authorities.

I don't know why the australian system takes so long to process the applications, 5 years is rather ridiculous.

Originally posted by Cyclone
asylum seekers to australia generally make a dangerous sea crossing on a heavily overloaded boat or even raft.
Many die trying to make the crossing, whilst the australian navy rescue quite a few and some even manage to make landfall.

It's certainly not some easy trip that they make. They take a very real risk with their lives in order to escape to a better life.

I clearly don't agree that they should win cases such as this though. Any trauma the child has suffered is down to the detainees he was with, not the authorities.

I don't know why the australian system takes so long to process the applications, 5 years is rather ridiculous. :clap: :clap: we found something we agree on at last:clap:

This kind of law action was inevitable when you let in refugees,as soon as they get here they go running to the first lawyer after they have been to the DSS.
If he wins the case it will in all probability open up the floodgates for many more claims and then the already massive bill for asylum will be even bigger.
Its a never ending situation for the richer countries.

Hmm, am on my way to check out the websites of Aus newspapers...can't wait to see how they're reporting this.

I think that the thread title should be changed to: See what happens when they see this happening in the UK!.

It is already a normal situation in the UK for the country to be sued for stress etc by asylum seekers and has been going on for some time.
The difference between Australia and the UK is that we in the UK allow it to happen and even pay the lawyers out of our taxes to do so.
The Australian Government has so far declined any compensation and I do hope that they do not fall into the same situation that we have here.

Originally posted by Splodge_CRB
Why don't they sue the countries involved in making it impossible for them to live in their own country?

I think that is what they are doing TBH.

Australian Special Forces (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/2871435.stm)

Typical left wing liberal bull to be honest,this is exactly the type of attitude which these scroungers thrive on,untill some realise how we are being taken for a ride it will continue.

Originally posted by Delboy3
I think that the thread title should be changed to: See what happens when they see this happening in the UK!.

It is already a normal situation in the UK for the country to be sued for stress etc by asylum seekers and has been going on for some time.
The difference between Australia and the UK is that we in the UK allow it to happen and even pay the lawyers out of our taxes to do so.
The Australian Government has so far declined any compensation and I do hope that they do not fall into the same situation that we have here.

can you provide a link to any evidence?

Originally posted by Cyclone
can you provide a link to any evidence?
Here's one case of many.
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1347702002

I am sure that if you google that there are many more that you can read about.

Another good one was when an eastern Block asylum seeker successfully sued the local council for putting her into a 250 000 house that was not up to her standard.

A Kurdish refugee successfully sued the home office for stress due to his application taking so long and recieved a payout of around 15000.

Originally posted by panda79
to be honest the lad should be grateful the australian goverment gave him refuge

I would think that the child and parents were probably extremely grateful to the Australian Government until they found themselves being treated in such an abysmal way. Such barbaric behaviour is more in keeping with the likes of Saddam Hussein et al and not a country regarded as a civilised Western influence.

In this case the child was put under untenable conditions as per the extract of the report below:
endured conditions that no child nor human being should be expected to cope with, his lawyers say. Authorities put the family behind the razor-wire fences of a remote detention camp in the outback. According to his lawyers, Shayan saw riots broken up with tear gas and water cannons, watched as people tried to commit suicide and was exposed to hunger strikes at the camp.

How would you like to be put in a camp where child is treated so harshly that they require psychiatric support to come to terms with such abuses? I certainly wouldnt. I think it is an absolute disgrace and I hope he wins his claim because however large the payout it will not compensate for whatever he has been through.

Originally posted by wendygs
I would think that the child and parents were probably extremely grateful to the Australian Government until they found themselves being treated in such an abysmal way. Such barbaric behaviour is more in keeping with the likes of Saddam Hussein et al and not a country regarded as a civilised Western influence.

In this case the child was put under untenable conditions as per the extract of the report below:


How would you like to be put in a camp where child is treated so harshly that they require psychiatric support to come to terms with such abuses? I certainly wouldnt. I think it is an absolute disgrace and I hope he wins his claim because however large the payout it will not compensate for whatever he has been through.

most of us have at one point in there life have had traumatic experiences but we dont go around looking for scapegoats the person concerned should be grateful that he got refuge in the first place instead of looking for a huge cheque tbh this has nothing to do with human rights its got to do with how much money they think they can get

If you had read the article in the first link you will have also seen that TWO years ago, the Australian Human Rights Commission endorsed the child's entitlements and ordered the Australian Government to take certain measures which it refused to do. I therefore reiterate that I would like to hear what you would have to say had you been on the receiving end of such appalling abuse.

The child has been denied treatment out of public funds and the money to cover those costs will have to be found from somewhere. That sort of treatment does NOT come cheap. As they do not have any funds of their own I can not see how they can consider any other options other than to go down the route they are going.

Furthermore the child has been rescued from the living hell of Iraq, transplanted to the supposedly civilised Western world and sees that what they have escaped from also happens in the country where they have escaped to. Excuse me, some people have their heads on the wrong way if they think this is acceptable.

Originally posted by Delboy3
Here's one case of many.
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1347702002

I am sure that if you google that there are many more that you can read about.

Another good one was when an eastern Block asylum seeker successfully sued the local council for putting her into a 250 000 house that was not up to her standard.

A Kurdish refugee successfully sued the home office for stress due to his application taking so long and recieved a payout of around 15000.

Mehmet Gezer lost his case though. Although to be fair they asked to be moved after being racially abused and the immigration office declined. It seems to me like he had reasonable grounds for a complaint, hardly a case of looking for a human rights loophole and trying to make money.

wendy - what is that you object too, the fact that they detain refugees in the outback until they have decided their case? Or that he saw riots broken up with tear gas and water cannons, watched as people tried to commit suicide and was exposed to hunger strikes at the camp.
The latter behaviour was being performed by fellow asylum seekers, not the government.

Originally posted by wendygs
If you had read the article in the first link you will have also seen that TWO years ago, the Australian Human Rights Commission endorsed the child's entitlements and ordered the Australian Government to take certain measures which it refused to do. I therefore reiterate that I would like to hear what you would have to say had you been on the receiving end of such appalling abuse.

The child has been denied treatment out of public funds and the money to cover those costs will have to be found from somewhere. That sort of treatment does NOT come cheap. As they do not have any funds of their own I can not see how they can consider any other options other than to go down the route they are going.

Furthermore the child has been rescued from the living hell of Iraq, transplanted to the supposedly civilised Western world and sees that what they have escaped from also happens in the country where they have escaped to. Excuse me, some people have their heads on the wrong way if they think this is acceptable.

i think that its perfectly acceptable for the australians to do what they do i just wish the uk had the guts to do the same i also wonder if the australian human rights comisson got involved when parents where threatning to throw children into the water so they would let them in that for me is far more disturbing than the stuff this person alleges

cyclone, I quite realised the child's problems were caused by fellow detainees BUT if the Australian or indeed any Government is going to detain people which the Australian Human Rights Commission granted they are clearly entitled to do, then the conditions must be such that the detainees would feel sufficiently comfortable that they would not want to act in such an unacceptable manner. Furthermore as the detainers are responsible for ensuring that the conditions are suitable they clearly failed to do so in this particular case.

I am quite satisfied in my own mind that the Australian Commission of Human Rights considered all the evidence properly before reaching its decision which is abundantly clear.

Hope that clarifies your query cyclone because I think it is quite clear that the child won a case in Court and the Government then refused to implement the order applied to it. Perhaps you can suggest other routes the child's parents could take to rectify the situation for their child? I can not see any other steps they could reasonably take and if that were my child I'd do exactly the same as these parents.

sometimes (not necessarily this time, just sometimes) life is tough, and there is no one to sue.

It seems strange that the government refused to obey a legal order. They seem a bit beligerent sometimes in Australia, the government gets stubborn when in reality they should just accept that they've lost a point.