Anyone fancy owning a football club? (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/8624597.stm)

Many careless owners.

Currently needs massive restoration in order to regain past glory.

May suit fans cooperative or Russian oligarch.

No time wasters!

You forgot to mention, 200 Million in debt. How come Liverpool can be that much in debt and not get put into administration and get 10 points deducted while poor old Portsmouth who were only £60M in debt did. :loopy:

You forgot to mention, 200 Million in debt. How come Liverpool can be that much in debt and not get put into administration and get 10 points deducted while poor old Portsmouth who were only £60M in debt did. :loopy:

Ummm it's simple, because Liverpool have been paying their bills, and Portsmouth haven't.

Ummm it's simple, because Liverpool have been paying their bills, and Portsmouth haven't.

Its figures now why Liverpools fairly recent signings apart from Torres have been pretty average all in all, too many bills left to pay and no money left to spend on the thing that matters to bring success, PLAYERS !

Its figures now why Liverpools fairly recent signings apart from Torres have been pretty average all in all, too many bills left to pay and no money left to spend on the thing that matters to bring success, PLAYERS !

Didn't Liverpool spend £17 million on Glen Johnson and £20 million on Aquilani in the summer?

Didn't Liverpool spend £17 million on Glen Johnson and £20 million on Aquilani in the summer?

That £20m was a great investment!

Ummm it's simple, because Liverpool have been paying their bills, and Portsmouth haven't.

Very true, that is the difference. I wonder if they will have to sell a few players next season, though. Without the Champions League money they might find it harder to pay the bills.

Its figures now why Liverpools fairly recent signings apart from Torres have been pretty average all in all, too many bills left to pay and no money left to spend on the thing that matters to bring success, PLAYERS !

I was reading from one of the statements made by the current owners- that they hoped by selling the club and getting new investors, the Manager can make new signings to make realistic challenges- but Benitez has been buying and has spent, only that he has spent poorly.

These are some of his 'bad' buys- a few who literally came and went:

Josemi £2m
Antonia Nunez (swap)
Fernando Morientes (c. £6m)
Jan Kromkamp (swap)
Mark Gonzalez (£4.5m)
Craig Bellamy (£6m )
Ryan Babel (£11.5m) - still 'waiting' to fulfill his potential:D
Jermaine Pennant (£6.7m)
Robbie Keane (£20.3m )
Charles Itandje (goal keeper available for sale)
Gabriel Paletta (£2m )
Philipp Degen
Andrea Dossena (£7m )
Mauricio Pellegrino (now a coach)
Andriy Voronin

If I was the new owner, I would get rid of Benitez -you can sense he wants to move (with Juventus favorites maybe). I think Mark Hughes could do a good job there as well as Martin O' Neil.

They do manage to get players to play better and build a team, not rely on two or three players.

Didn't Liverpool spend £17 million on Glen Johnson and £20 million on Aquilani in the summer?

How much did Liverpool get for Alonso off Real Moneybags?????????

I was reading from one of the statements made by the current owners- that they hoped by selling the club and getting new investors, the Manager can make new signings to make realistic challenges- but Benitez has been buying and has spent, only that he has spent poorly.

These are some of his 'bad' buys- a few who literally came and went:

Josemi £2m
Antonia Nunez (swap)
Fernando Morientes (c. £6m)
Jan Kromkamp (swap)
Mark Gonzalez (£4.5m)
Craig Bellamy (£6m )
Ryan Babel (£11.5m) - still 'waiting' to fulfill his potential:D
Jermaine Pennant (£6.7m)
Robbie Keane (£20.3m )
Charles Itandje (goal keeper available for sale)
Gabriel Paletta (£2m )
Philipp Degen
Andrea Dossena (£7m )
Mauricio Pellegrino (now a coach)
Andriy Voronin

If I was the new owner, I would get rid of Benitez -you can sense he wants to move (with Juventus favorites maybe). I think Mark Hughes could do a good job there as well as Martin O' Neil.

They do manage to get players to play better and build a team, not rely on two or three players.

To this day i cannot belive that fella is still at the helm at Anfield, i have no malice towards Liverpool atall fans or the club, but Benitez seems lost at times players and selection wise especially, Gerrards face was a picture the other day when Torres went off, injured or not you could sense theres a lot of unrest in the camp.
Get Gerrard to Chelsea so he has a realistic oppurtunity to win the English Premiership.

Anyone fancy owning a football club? (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/8624597.stm)

Many careless owners.

Currently needs massive restoration in order to regain past glory.

May suit fans cooperative or Russian oligarch.

No time wasters!

I offer ten quid, then I'll raze Anfield to the ground and send all the Scousers to Siberia :)

How much did Liverpool get for Alonso off Real Moneybags?????????
According to transferleague (http://transferleague.co.uk/)Liverpools spend this season was £-4m which left Benitez with more to work with than Ferguson or Wenger.

The "big four" spent as follows:

Chelsea £13.5m
Liverpool -£4
Arsenal -£31m
United -£56.5m

As a Man U fan I find Liverpool's plight hilarious...unfortunately the yank scum that have bought Man U could do exactly the same to them. Starve them of funds to pay off their debt. Look at this season. Even the most die hard Man U fan couldn't argue that the squad isn't lightweight and is nothing without Rooney...yet where is the money to buy a half decent striker?.....Paying off the yanks debt!

where is the money to buy a half decent striker?.....Paying off the yanks debt!

Spent on Berbatov - a half decent striker.

Spent on Berbatov - a half decent striker.
That was two summers back. If not for the Glazier's debt there's no way United would have had only Rooney, Berbatov and Owen this season.

That was two summers back. If not for the Glazier's debt there's no way United would have had only Rooney, Berbatov and Owen this season.

Only Berbatov and Owen next season by the look of it! Perhaps he'll get another free transfer in to help.

Only Berbatov and Owen next season by the look of it! Perhaps he'll get another free transfer in to help.
Because if an unsourced rumour in a tabloid says he's going he must be :roll:

Because if an unsourced rumour in a tabloid says he's going he must be :roll:

No, because Real Madrid have openly admitted that they want him and Man Utd couldn't manage to stop Beckham or van Nistelrooy or Ronaldo from going. Real Madrid look at who the best players in the world are and buy them. So i'm actually going on history and what the club have said. Also because Man Utd would have lost money last season if the hadn't have sold Ronaldo, so I assume they will need to do the same again or go into more debt. I do think it depends on how he does in the World Cup, though.

I wouldn't be surprised if Man City come in with a bid for him in the summer.

No, because Real Madrid have openly admitted that they want him and Man Utd couldn't manage to stop Beckham or van Nistelrooy or Ronaldo from going. Real Madrid look at who the best players in the world are and buy them. So i'm actually going on history and what the club have said. Also because Man Utd would have lost money last season if the hadn't have sold Ronaldo, so I assume they will need to do the same again or go into more debt. I do think it depends on how he does in the World Cup, though.

I wouldn't be surprised if Man City come in with a bid for him in the summer.
Ferguson didn't even try to stop Beckham or Van Nistelrooy leaving he wanted rid of both of them which is why Ruud went for such a small fee.

Please do point us to direct quotes from Real Madrid saying they're going to bid £90m or any other fee for Rooney.

Incidentally the News of the World now says Madrid are after Tevez because:

"Rooney, though, is likely to seek an improvement in his deal at United rather than move to Spain."

Just like the Sun's Rooney story there's no quotes or anything of substance it's just crap they made up to sell papers to morons.

Ferguson didn't even try to stop Beckham or Van Nistelrooy leaving he wanted rid of both of them which is why Ruud went for such a small fee.

Please do point us to direct quotes from Real Madrid saying they're going to bid £90m or any other fee for Rooney.

Incidentally the News of the World now says Madrid are after Tevez because:

"Rooney, though, is likely to seek an improvement in his deal at United rather than move to Spain."

Just like the Sun's Rooney story there's no quotes or anything of substance it's just crap they made up to sell papers to morons.

Obviously you don't want you best player to leave, I can understand your defensiveness. I only said that it LOOKS like he might be off in the summer. I think he wants to stay but he is going to want higher wages and plenty of teams will be willing to offer him them, i'm sure. I'm not so convinced that United will want to, or be able to, meet his wage demands.

I do not have a copy of the newspaper that I read in January (this isn't a new story) but there were quotes from Florentino Perez saying Rooney was one of this main targets (I never mentioned a fee and neither did he in his quotes). Like I said, though, I wouldn't be surprised if Man City come in with a bid, especially if they lose Tevez.

Just as a side not, I don't read any tabloids but it doesn't help your argument to call their readers morons and then use their quotes to try and back up your own arguments. I mean, I know that you would agrue with fog, but what is your point here? You don't think that other teams want Rooney? I would think you should be proud that other teams want him, he is one of the best players in the world at the moment. If your point is that they will try to buy him but he won't want to go then I think you might be right, at least next season. These stories (completely 'unsourced rumour' like this time) started about Ronaldo two years before he actually went, but when Real get an idea in their head they usually make it happen.

That's all I have to say about that. He may stay, who knows, but I think there will be an awful lot of interest in him this summer if he doesn't mess up in the World Cup. I actually hope he stays in England, he is great to watch at the moment. :)

Obviously you don't want you best player to leave, I can understand your defensiveness. I only said that it LOOKS like he might be off in the summer. I think he wants to stay but he is going to want higher wages and plenty of teams will be willing to offer him them, i'm sure. I'm not so convinced that United will want to, or be able to, meet his wage demands.
There was no qualifier like "might" in you initial post:

"Only Berbatov and Owen next season by the look of it!"

Which is an assertion that Rooney will most likely leave.

I do not have a copy of the newspaper that I read in January (this isn't a new story) but there were quotes from Florentino Perez saying Rooney was one of this main targets (I never mentioned a fee and neither did he in his quotes). Like I said, though, I wouldn't be surprised if Man City come in with a bid, especially if they lose Tevez.

Just as a side not, I don't read any tabloids but it doesn't help your argument to call their readers morons and then use their quotes to try and back up your own arguments. I mean, I know that you would agrue with fog, but what is your point here? You don't think that other teams want Rooney? I would think you should be proud that other teams want him, he is one of the best players in the world at the moment. If your point is that they will try to buy him but he won't want to go then I think you might be right, at least next season. These stories (completely 'unsourced rumour' like this time) started about Ronaldo two years before he actually went, but when Real get an idea in their head they usually make it happen.

That's all I have to say about that. He may stay, who knows, but I think there will be an awful lot of interest in him this summer if he doesn't mess up in the World Cup. I actually hope he stays in England, he is great to watch at the moment. :)
I was clearly using the tabloid quote to illustrate how made up and worthless such stuff is to the extent that it contradicts it self from day to day even when coming form basically the same paper.

The stuff about Ronaldo going to Real wasn't 'completely unsourced' it was very well sourced with quotes from both Real Madrid about wanting to sign Ronaldo and quotes from Ronaldo about wanting to play for Real Madrid. In contrast you have neither quotes from Madrid or Rooney, if any such recent quote of the kind you claim existed the Sun would most likely have used it in their made up story the other day to try and make it seem more credible.

There was no qualifier like "might" in you initial post:

"Only Berbatov and Owen next season by the look of it!"


"By the look of it" is the qualifier.

"By the look of it" is the qualifier.
"By the look of it" is a claim that the opinion is based upon evidence.

"By the look of it" is a claim that the opinion is based upon evidence.

We are talking football, you know? Seriously, do you argue the with your alarm clock because you don't agree with the time?

Anyway, back on topic... Maybe the new owners of Liverpool will buy Rooney, that'd really spice things up!* :P

* Disclaimer - This does not mean I have any written evidence that there are new owners or that Rooney is about to sign a contract.

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So I take it you can't find these quotes by Perez which you claim you based your initial post on then?

So I take it you can't find these quotes by Perez which you claim you based your initial post on then?

Don't pretend i've made personal insults because you know I haven't. It was a lighthearted remark on your forum reputation and you won't bully me into a slanging match. :roll:

I've already answered your other question and never said my first quote is based on anything it was just a post and I stand by it... the nervousness of Man Utd fans like yourself makes me think they believe it could be true as well.

I stand by my first comments and you haven't said anything to make me feel there is no chance of Rooney leaving. And 'by the look of it' means the look of these...

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/calderon-predicts-huge-rooney-bid-from-real-madrid-1921666.html

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/sport/football/786479/UNITED-IN-A-RUSH-TO-SIGN-UP-ROONEY.html

http://www.goal.com/en-india/news/222/transfer-zone/2010/04/16/1880616/real-madrid-preparing-shock-double-swoop-for-wayne-rooney

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/2934370/Real-want-Roo-and-Fab.html

http://www.dnaindia.com/sport/report_real-madrid-to-use-cristiano-ronaldo-as-bait-for-bagging-wayne-rooney_1372535

There are 1585 news articles that come up on Google for the words 'Florentino Perez Wayne Rooney' and i'm not going to look through them all or paste them all here. I don't know why you think they wouldn't want him to be honest.

Anyway, that is it, no more, this thread isn't about Man Utd's failings, it's about Liverpool's.

"By the look of it" is a claim that the opinion is based upon evidence.

Umm .... no? It's a phrase used to indicate that something appears as though it may be happening. You'll find it in the dictionaries.

Don't pretend i've made personal insults because you know I haven't. It was a lighthearted remark on your forum reputation and you won't bully me into a slanging match. :roll:
I responded to your initial silly claim with a lighthearted remark mocking those who fall for paper rumours getting the following anything but lighthearted responce:

"No, because Real Madrid have openly admitted that they want him and Man Utd couldn't manage to stop Beckham or van Nistelrooy or Ronaldo from going. Real Madrid look at who the best players in the world are and buy them. So i'm actually going on history and what the club have said. Also because Man Utd would have lost money last season if the hadn't have sold Ronaldo, so I assume they will need to do the same again or go into more debt. I do think it depends on how he does in the World Cup, though.

I wouldn't be surprised if Man City come in with a bid for him in the summer."

So I respond in kind point out again how baseless this all is and you get rather pissy and hilariously accuse me of being argumentative for responding to you. What's that phrase about it taking two to perform a certain dance?

I've already answered your other question and never said my first quote is based on anything it was just a post and I stand by it... the nervousness of Man Utd fans like yourself makes me think they believe it could be true as well.

I stand by my first comments and you haven't said anything to make me feel there is no chance of Rooney leaving. And 'by the look of it' means the look of these...

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/calderon-predicts-huge-rooney-bid-from-real-madrid-1921666.html

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/sport/football/786479/UNITED-IN-A-RUSH-TO-SIGN-UP-ROONEY.html

http://www.goal.com/en-india/news/222/transfer-zone/2010/04/16/1880616/real-madrid-preparing-shock-double-swoop-for-wayne-rooney

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/2934370/Real-want-Roo-and-Fab.html

http://www.dnaindia.com/sport/report_real-madrid-to-use-cristiano-ronaldo-as-bait-for-bagging-wayne-rooney_1372535

There are 1585 news articles that come up on Google for the words 'Florentino Perez Wayne Rooney' and i'm not going to look through them all or paste them all here. I don't know why you think they wouldn't want him to be honest.

Anyway, that is it, no more, this thread isn't about Man Utd's failings, it's about Liverpool's.
Well done you've found lots of articles repeating the initial made up story (you know as "rumours tend to get repeated) which include the words Perez & Rooney. Couldn't help but notice though that no none of them include the quotes from Perez whch you claim exist and which make this a credible story instead of being yet another worthless tabloid rumour that you've fallen for.

If you take such worthless stories as valid evidence then "by the look of it" every vaguely big name player is going to be signed by half a dozen sides this summer. Just take a look at the Rumour Mill (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/series/rumourmill) and then tell me again with a straight face that you stand by your comments.

Umm .... no? It's a phrase used to indicate that something appears as though it may be happening. You'll find it in the dictionaries.
It's a claim that your prediction is more probable than not and based upon evidence.

It's obviously not impossible that Rooney could sign for Real this summer but there's no evidence to suggest he will and making such claims on the basis of crap a tabloid hack made up to sell papers is just ridiculous.

I think the £800m quoted for liverpool is a bit unrealistic

Well done you've found lots of articles repeating the initial made up story (you know as "rumours tend to get repeated) which include the words Perez & Rooney. Couldn't help but notice though that no none of them include the quotes from Perez whch you claim exist and which make this a credible story instead of being yet another worthless tabloid rumour that you've fallen for.

If you take such worthless stories as valid evidence then "by the look of it" every vaguely big name player is going to be signed by half a dozen sides this summer. Just take a look at the Rumour Mill (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/series/rumourmill) and then tell me again with a straight face that you stand by your comments.

Ramon Calderon as a source isn't something that you can just say is made up, though. I imagine he has some understanding of what is going on. I wouldn't say that is the same as the rumour mill.

But I do see your point, of course, and I am not saying it is going to happen.

I think the £800m quoted for liverpool is a bit unrealistic

Probably, but it would be a great team to take over if you were as rich as someone like Abramovich or the owners of Man City. You have the history and fanbase all there for you. A massive new ground and some decent signings and they could be world beaters.

Probably, but it would be a great team to take over if you were as rich as someone like Abramovich or the owners of Man City. You have the history and fanbase all there for you. A massive new ground and some decent signings and they could be world beaters.

for decent signings though, i would be looking for a new manager, considering Benitez dealings in the transfer market