On all trains.
Welcome to the 21st century GNER! :clap:

Aparrently this action has been decided upon after an increase in complaints of over 120% :suspect: Why wait this long? :loopy:

Spokesman (person then) on radio reckons smokers could actually put people off travelling by train...


:huh: derrr! Who's woken up & smelled the stale backy then?

If they had half-decent air con systems on their trains people smoking wouldn't be a problem. ;)

Yep, complaints by those non-smokers who will take the train whether there's a smoking carriage or not just means that a few more smokers will now take their cars. Or stand on the platform frantically puffing next to lots of non-smokers instead of in a separate environment where both parties are happy. Not a great move really.

I think the complaints may have been along the lines of smokers walking through non smoking compartments with a coffin nail on the go to the lavs or buffet car.

Smoking in the lavs - confined spaces used by all.. etc..

?

don and his smoking.:headbang: :headbang: :wow:

For the sake of half a dozen smoking seats, an entire carriage gets completely smogged out, then the culprits leave to go and sit back in a nice clean carriage. Waste of a carraige that could carry more passengers really.

It's about berluddy time GNER :rant: :clap: :clap:

Surely , the best thing is to ban EVERYTHING that annoys other people or possibly causes health hazards or danger to other clean-living folk.
Then , we could all live nice , little lives , watching afternoon T.V ., washing our Garden Gnomes , knitting , drinking sarsperella and reading The Guardian and Good Housekeeping.
Stopping smoking on trains is just one of the many good things we can do to stop Britain sinking into a sink of immorality and bad health.
Bring Back Prohibition !!

Originally posted by Fareast
Surely , the best thing is to ban EVERYTHING that annoys other people or possibly causes health hazards or danger to other clean-living folk.
Then , we could all live nice , little lives , watching afternoon T.V ., washing our Garden Gnomes , knitting , drinking sarsperella and reading The Guardian and Good Housekeeping.
Stopping smoking on trains is just one of the many good things we can do to stop Britain sinking into a sink of immorality and bad health.
Bring Back Prohibition !!

:clap: R E S U L T ! :clap:


ps. sarsperella is bad for you :hihi:

I don't understand why train companies feel the need to ban smoking on their trains. If they have a smoking carriage at the back of the train it harms nobody.

It doesn't but the smokers do,
who walk through the train, smoking,
looking for a free toilet or the buffet car.

Sidla ,

I agree with you completely but , sadly , you've forgotton one element.
This isn't about common sense , freedom of choice , logic or , really health.
It's more about the Health Freaks , the Control Freaks , the Prodnoses , the Do-Gooders and the Clean-Livers telling the rest of us what to do.
Wait now , for the rest of it -------stop trains serving alcohol and strict limitations on food served ------grapefruit juice and lettuce sandwiches should be good enough for anybody !!
Any signs that people want to do something they enjoy should be stamped out immediately !

But I enjoy going home NOT smelling of fag smoke, in my hair clothing & skin.

You're stamping out that personal choice by smoking around me, surely?

Originally posted by Don_Kiddick
But I enjoy going home NOT smelling of fag smoke, in my hair clothing & skin.

You're stamping out that personal choice by smoking around me, surely?
I've never seen a smoker leave the smoking carriage smoking, and I'd be very surprised if it happens very often at all. As long as you don't sit in the smoking carriage you won't go home smelling of fag smoke.

Then I recommend you travel be public transport more often.

Because (in regard to your post)
I have, it does, I don't, and I have - often.

I now boycott public transport.

Don

You must travel on some very selective public transport !
For years now there has been no smoking on buses , coaches , 90% of all trains and presumably , now , the last long-distance train has stopped smoking.
So , you are now free to travel , safe and sound , on all public transport . I'm sure after all these years even the smell of smoke has now left the railway carriages ......etc.....
Just leave it a couple of years , to be on the safe side , before you take a train to the North East ; should be pretty safe by then.

Originally posted by Fareast
Don

You must travel on some very selective public transport !



:hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

Originally posted by Don_Kiddick
Then I recommend you travel be public transport more often.

Because (in regard to your post)
I have, it does, I don't, and I have - often.

I now boycott public transport.

I've caught a GNER 4 times in the last month or so, Retford to Peterborough.
Not once did I see someone walking through the train smoking.
The worst smell I had to cope with was the rather ripe toilets on one service.

the smoking issue has naff all to do with health, big brothering or passenger comfort.

It's to do with the fact that rarely do people ever spend a whole journey in a smoking seat. They merely occupy them for the length of time that it takes to get through a fag, then leave to occupy the seat they were in previously.

This means that there are in effect, seats on the train that are not usable by fare paying passengers throughout the whole service of the train.

These seats therefore generate as much revenue as the toilets :roll:

This makes very poor business sense

(but I'm all for being able to occupy a cleaner smelling ex-smoking carriage instead of standing in an over crowded always-was non-smoking one :D )

Originally posted by Greybeard
If they had half-decent air con systems on their trains people smoking wouldn't be a problem. ;)

I don't think this is the case. No amount of air conditioning is as effective as a good old 'No Smoking' notice. A lot cheaper too.

do smokers really not know how bad they smell.
i went shopping in a retail park over the hols, 2 ladies dressed up to the nines started browsing and earned my attention, then they walked past & stunk like an old ashtray.

what a waste of time & effort to look extremely pretty & to stink that bad.

Originally posted by hotphil
Yep, complaints by those non-smokers who will take the train whether there's a smoking carriage or not just means that a few more smokers will now take their cars. Or stand on the platform frantically puffing next to lots of non-smokers instead of in a separate environment where both parties are happy. Not a great move really.

I'll certainly be taking my car next time. I endured a train journey on a non smoking train and accepted this, but when it came to change at Birmingham I thought "great, quick fag" - Guess what? - NO SMOKING< EVEN ON THE OPEN AIR PLATFORM!!! Now, I accepted no smoking on the train, but no smoking on the platform, bloody pathetic!

I don't smoke, so I can't really appreciate how people find it so difficult to go without a cigarette for a few hours on a train. If it's being deprived of nicotine that's the problem, why not use nicotine patches or chewing gum? I think I've read that nicotine isn't very harmful anyway, it's all the other crap that comes out of burning tobacco that kills you, so why don't people use those things in general, rather than tobacco, if they're addicted? And how do smokers manage on plane flights, which can be much longer than train journeys?

Just interested here, not grinding any axes.

Originally posted by teeb
I'll certainly be taking my car next time. I endured a train journey on a non smoking train and accepted this, but when it came to change at Birmingham I thought "great, quick fag" - Guess what? - NO SMOKING< EVEN ON THE OPEN AIR PLATFORM!!! Now, I accepted no smoking on the train, but no smoking on the platform, bloody pathetic!
Birmingham station is underground - so 'no smoking' has been the policy since that massive fire at Kings Cross, and people had difficulty escaping from underground. It applies to all stations below ground level

Captain Swing

A good point you made there.
I'm quite a heavy smoker and I think smoking could be allowed on rail journeys in a separate carriage and certainly [somewhere] on railway platforms !
However , to deal with your question and coping with the law as it now stands :--- I've been on some long plane journeys fairly recently and plenty of rail journeys and I 've found the best way to cope is using NicAssist. They're like a small cigarette holder with a small nicotine capsule inside , so you also get the , "feel " that you're smoking too !
I got mine from Boots but the problem is they are rather expensive , especially if one was travelling on a daily basis.I'm surprised some bright young business-person hasn't come up with a cheaper version and then , presumably , almost everyone would be happy.
However , I have an uneasy feeling that once the Total Banners had stamped out smoking on trains , harmless or not , their little prodnoses would be searching for further things to ban. How long would it be before there was a campaign to stop drinking alcohol on trains or selling certain types of foods ? The same with fox hunting ------what is next in the pipeline ?------fishing ?
Unfortunately for our long-suffering society some people are addicted to banning-----a far worse addiction than smoking ------as Prohibition in America proved , for one .

with regards plane journeys, it's interesting that many people (probably in desparation!), after their plane journey, tend to ignore the no smoking signs at the airport and light up. I've noticed however, that on a plane journey, say from tenerife, where you're only allowed to bring back 200 ciggies, no one tends to light up - I WONDER WHY???? :suspect:

Interesting post Fareast. Sounds like you personally don't need the smoke, just some nicotine delivery system that you can play with like a cigarette. If most smokers feel the same way then you're right, there should be a big market for NicAssist type products. I wonder if most smokers would settle for that?

If this market were developed it would presumably bring the price down. How much does it cost at present, and what would be the price of an equivalent number of cigarettes?

Originally posted by CaptainSwing
Interesting post Fareast. Sounds like you personally don't need the smoke, just some nicotine delivery system that you can play with like a cigarette. If most smokers feel the same way then you're right, there should be a big market for NicAssist type products. I wonder if most smokers would settle for that?


I has a little plastic cig with nicotine capsules when I stopped smoking, it realy helped but in the end I was still addicted to the nicotine so I had to bin it. I don't know how much it cost (I got it from the doctors) but if it's anything like nicotine patches it's cheaper to smoke.

It was great though "smoking" it in non-smoking places.

Originally posted by nick2
but if it's anything like nicotine patches it's cheaper to smoke.



But also more anti-social.

Originally posted by nick2
I has a little plastic cig with nicotine capsules when I stopped smoking, it realy helped but in the end I was still addicted to the nicotine so I had to bin it.

Yes, that's one thing I'm interested in - if it's just a question of nicotine addiction, why not just stick with the plastic cigs? Is it just a question of cost?

Nicotine patches take ages to light to, and, once lit tend to melt onto your chin causing painful burns. :D

Originally posted by Don_Kiddick
Nicotine patches take ages to light to, and, once lit tend to melt onto your chin causing painful burns. :D

Ah, a man of wisdom is a joy forever.:heyhey:

Originally posted by CaptainSwing
Yes, that's one thing I'm interested in - if it's just a question of nicotine addiction, why not just stick with the plastic cigs? Is it just a question of cost?

Partly the cost, and I'm not entirely convinced that nicotine is harmless, it might help stop you getting altzeimers but it might still give you some kind of cancer. Better not to risk it.

Captain Swing ,

Well , I do prefer a real cigarette . I only use the Nico. things for journeys and meetings.
I've forgotton how much they cost . I don't use them much at the moment but have got plenty left for the return journey to the U.K.
Here in China , cigarettes cost from 30 pence for 20 , up to about a pound.Beer is very cheap too ; good local lager-type draught beer I used to get for about 30 p. a half litre.
I'm seriously thinking of retiring here. A really nice apartment would be about 40 pounds a month and utilities correspondingly cheap ; and the food !! Really great.
If you 're a heavy-smoking , beer-drinking , food -lover , this is one ideal location !

Fareast, how does thew fact that China is a comunist country effect you, if at all ?

Nick 2

I'm not sure of all the details , in the sense that I'm not sure whether things would be different , for foreign workers , under a non-Communist government .
Although they ultimately have the last word about everything important they don't seem to have a high profile in everyday life .
There is never any criticism about the Party in the newspapers or on T.V. but they do criticise individuals and /or groups who mis-manage Party policy.They also mention past mistakes in a muted sort of way.
Every University and school of any size has a Party office and I would guess offices and factories do too [ in one bookshop , I saw a big poster of Mao , Engels , Marx , Lenin and Stalin[!] ].
The Young Pioneers are very evident , with their red neckerchieves and I think the Party organisers a lot of the parades that go on.
A Chinese friend told me that it is very difficult to become a party member . They have to be outstanding individuals with a life-long impeccable past. Once in the Party , though , it would almost certainly ensure promotion in any job.
All in all , I don't think most ex-pats have any contact with The Party , except by accident------they seem pretty remote from the grind of everyday life.
Sorry for wandering off the topic of smoking though ! Anyway , let's add that Chairman Mao chainsmoked and lived to be about 85 but I don't think he travelled on many British trains !