How worried are you about it ? One of the senior caseworkers at work on overtime yesterday offered me a sarnie - a very nice gesture I thought until she told me it was because it was chicken and she was worried about the bird flu ! It's tru what they say.... no such thing as a free lunch.

When SARS was a big problem lots of people from abroad stayed here longer than they otherwise should have due to not wanting to go home and get SARS, guess they will do the same with the bird flu what with the sad news of latest death abroad :(

And the first person just died, a poor little 6 yearold boy

No death is good news but its a long way from here so i would'nt get paranoid about bird flu just yet.
Its just reached Pakistan again a long way from here but its showing signs of moving nearer to Europe.
When it reaches central Europe i'll change my eating habbits which will include no poultry on my menu.

I'm about as worried about it as I was about BSE and SARS i.e. not at all. I'll continue eating whatever I like and if I die, oh well.

It looks like this has now reached Europe with 2 women in Germany admitted to hospital suspected of having it. :(

Everybody watch out for the latest buy one get one free on Chicken Tonight coming to a supermarket near you.

Will not effect KFC as I am reliably informed by an expert on KFC (t020) that there is less than 15% chicken in a Bargain Bucket!

What is in it then, magic monkey dust?

Originally posted by fnkysknky
What is in it then, magic monkey dust?

Parrot, according to one thread last night.

KFC in Vietnam etc is currently selling fish instead of chicken - mmmm KFF anyone ?

Im not that worried about bird flu personally, the only case of death has been where people have been in contact with live chickens which have it... (not eaten)

I thought it only affected women and so they called it bird flu coz only birds could get it...

I'm going on holiday to Thailand in April. It seems rife there at the moment. I hope I'll be OK!

"In 1918, a pandemic of flu swept the world killing more than 20 million people, and many infectious disease experts now believe that another flu pandemic could be imminent. The appearance in humans of a type of flu which normally only affects birds may be an important sign that some strains of the virus are changing in a way that could threaten people around the globe."
BBC Health web page.

Newsnight ran a report last night about the inevitable arrival of bird flu in Britain. This virus is already infecting and killing people in Asia.

Are we standing at the edge?

Apparently it's ok if your a bloke.

Well, I'll remember to avoid kissing chickens. :)

Seriously, it could be an issue - estimates of 50,000 dead in the UK are being bandied around. But don't forget that the 1919 pandemic was before widespread health care and antibiotics (which would have not stopped the 'flu but would have helped with the follow up infections). And we have anti-virals, and some vaccines today.

However, if I start dreaming of Mother Abigail or The Walking Man (a la 'The Stand') then I'll start worrying... :)

Joe

how did the flu kill so many people in 1919 though... with the way old folks go on you'd wonder how any of them died of anything :?

"back int mahhh day tha'd still down downt pit even if tha'd lost a leg to gangereen"

oh well, guess if we all get some weird bird flu we might as well all die in style and broadcast the birdie song on every radio channel :hihi:

Originally posted by xafier
how did the flu kill so many people in 1919 though... with the way old folks go on you'd wonder how any of them died of anything :?

"back int mahhh day tha'd still down downt pit even if tha'd lost a leg to gangereen"

oh well, guess if we all get some weird bird flu we might as well all die in style and broadcast the birdie song on every radio channel :hihi:

Aftermath of WW1, no antibiotics for follow up infections, weakened population due to hunger in places like Germany....

Joe

hmm, very good point Joe, didnt think of the fact it was only a few years after WW1... personally I think we'd be in a very bad state for a very strong strain of any virus going wide-spread... I'm sure our immune systems are slowly getting worse due the sterile environments we live in

There actually already is a virus killing thousands every week, I think we should be more concerned about that.

After the Boxing Day Tsunami I began to realise just how vulnerable we all are. We are so used to feeling safe, but what are we against the forces of nature?

I think this thing is coming* and once it's all over the survivors will look back and marvel at how complacent we all were in the run up to it.

Joe, after the 1918 pandemic how was the flu eventually brought under control? Did it mutate into something less dangerous? Is it still out there in some form? I remember they dug up a nurse or someone who had been buried in a lead coffin after dying from the 1918 flu. I seem to remember they were worried about opening the coffin and releasing the flu to start again.

*(But then again I do tend to worry about practically everything - so what do I know?)

NOOOOO were all going to die!!!!:help: :help: :help: :help:

As the bird-flu is an airborn virus, the experts are saying it's a matter of 'when' and not 'if' bird flu will arrive in the UK.

Sounds pretty scarey to me too. But, I also remember some eminent doctor or someone saying that there would be huge numbers of people dying of CJD and that never materialised. CJD naturally occurrs and kills around 8-10 people each year, there was only a small (though significan) increase linked to mad cow descease.

I also heard that some sort of injection is being made available for medical staff so that they don't get the virus. Guess there's not enough to go round for the rest of us though?

Bet the Royal family and the PM are forever having jabs for one thing or another, to make sure they are safe.

Deavon,

It just went away. Most flu strains mutate and whilst soem mutations are bad for the flu's hosts others are quite good.

Nick2 - yep, there are lots of bugs whacking us at the moment from measles to HIV. I guess the fear of the unknown makes people worry more though.

Joe

I think that in this world there is a risk attached to everything (including going to sleep- DVT- and waking up- heart problems) and in a lot of ways we know too much, and this is what makes us panic.

About 8 years ago several combined contraceptive pills were withdrawn following a press scandal about the increased risk on non-fatal DVT while taking the pill. What the press failed to mention was that the risk was increased from one miniscule risk to another miniscule risk. The irony was that the increased pregnancy rate that resulted from the pill withdrawal exposed women to a DVT risk over 100 times greater than the pill did.

Focussing on the risks of anything (bird flu, HIV, DVT) only helps us to lose sight of the proportion of the risks to our daily lives. If we spent more time noticing how much plain sailing our lives generally are (in the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse stakes) then we would be able to make contingency plans for all of the worst case scenarios then get on with life without permanently looking over our shoulders.

It's the will of God I'm afraid.
There's too many people on this planet raping it of all resources without putting anything back.

It's time to repent folks, for the end is nigh.

Say thankyou to all the nice geneticists who have been hybridising animals for years & filling the resultant abomination with antibiotics & steroids to keep it alive untill it reaches the abatoire.

Now we've all been consuming that product laden with minute traces of antibiotic drugs that any passing virus/ bacteria, that we used to fend off, have as a result become drug resistant.

Kill yourself now & avoid the queue at hell's gate!

The Don has foreseen

Originally posted by Don_Kiddick
It's the will of God I'm afraid.
There's too many people on this planet raping it of all resources without putting anything back.

It's time to repent folks, for the end is nigh.

Say thankyou to all the nice geneticists who have been hybridising animals for years & filling the resultant abomination with antibiotics & steroids to keep it alive untill it reaches the abatoire.

Now we've all been consuming that product laden with minute traces of antibiotic drugs that any passing virus/ bacteria, that we used to fend off, have as a result become drug resistant.

Kill yourself now & avoid the queue at hell's gate!

The Don has foreseen

I'd go along with all that's quoted above, but replacing "God" with Nature;).

Originally posted by sccsux
I'd go along with all that's quoted above, but replacing "God" with Nature;).

I'll go half way between the two and say 'Gaia'.

Deavon....it's OK....in the words of that useful book from the Publishing Company of Ursa Minor "Don't Panic"! :)

And PLEASE tell me you've heard of 'The Hitch-hiker's Guide to the Galaxy' :)

Joe

guess I better hope my unusually good immune system lasts me well when this thing hits then eh?

not trying to be sadistic, but this world is rather over populated and we could do with a "pruning", I know that is a rather sick thought and I would hate to loose anyone I know... but it is rather true on a philosophical level that we need to reduce our population in this world and also stop using up all our renewable resources...

we also need to stop with all this super clean environment, lack of exposure to germs and dirt isn't a good thing... theres a difference between being clean and healthy and living in a sterile world!

Originally posted by MarkB
NOOOOO were all going to die!!!!:help: :help: :help: :help:

Not all of us, senior politicians and the people employed in the machinery of damage limitation and public order agencies to keep them from being lynched would proably survive :rolleyes:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/06/02/bird_flu/

I was reading another article tonight about the economic consquences which suggested that China's economy would probably collapse with dire results for the rest of the world.

Doesn't bear thinking about really, - so I'm not going to.

Sticks head in sand :P

Originally posted by JoeP
I'll go half way between the two and say 'Gaia'.

Deavon....it's OK....in the words of that useful book from the Publishing Company of Ursa Minor "Don't Panic"! :)

And PLEASE tell me you've heard of 'The Hitch-hiker's Guide to the Galaxy' :)

Joe

Does it say it in large friendly letters on the front?

If so, I'm aware of it;)

I thought i heard on the news yesterday that any infected birds will be flying in the opposite direction to us at this time of year anyway?

They also said that any infected birds 'should' not come in to contact with our own domesticated birds due to fear :?

Either way...... Survival of the fittest..... Now, where's my multi vitamins :suspect:

Yeh but no but they'll infect our native species of wild bird that live here all year round & have no migration.
These will inturn infect our chickens which will in turn infect your kebab.

Scary huh?

Dont eat poultry, until its all blown over!

Wolfman

Originally posted by wolfman
Dont eat poultry, until its all blown over!

Wolfman

I suspect your safe if the bird is cooked. In this country, its unlikey you'll get it from a supermarket chicken.

I'd say, avoid chicken farms, chicken farmers, and the people who process them.

But I'm not a scientist. I put stuff into google and see what happens.

http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/1990/

"The exposure to the birds’ blood and excrement make places like this prime breeding grounds for the bird flu."

More reading:
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v435/n7041/full/435421a.html
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-bird-flu.htm (optimism? they've heard of it).

K.

As someone who works for the NHS, I always look at the department of health website for information.

List of related articles on the DOH site
http://www.dh.gov.uk/PolicyAndGuidance/EmergencyPlanning/PandemicFlu/fs/en


http://www.dh.gov.uk/AboutUs/MinistersAndDepartmentLeaders/ChiefMedicalOfficer/Features/FeaturesArticle/fs/en?CONTENT_ID=4102997&chk=OcYuEL

Christ I've only just got over the mumps - don't want to get bird flu!

Worrying situation and although being a veggie may be a helpful preventative factor, cant say that it's necessarily going to be a total all round preventative factor.

I don't think you get it from eating the birds. The big worry is the possibility that the flu mutates and jumps species.

Have you read the Sunday Times today? They are worried enough to do front page and a large article inside:

Britain's elite get pills to survive bird flu

Members of Britain’s elite have been selected as priority cases to receive scarce pills and vaccinations at the taxpayers’ expense if the country is hit by a deadly bird flu outbreak.
Workers at the BBC and prominent politicians — such as cabinet ministers — would be offered protection from the virus.
...
If there is an avian flu pandemic in the coming months there would be enough drugs to protect less than 2% of the British population for a week.

The Department of Health has drawn up a priority list of those who would be first to receive lifesaving drugs. Top of the list are health workers followed by those in key public sector jobs.

Although senior government ministers would be among the high-priority cases, the department said this weekend that it had not decided whether to include opposition politicians.
...
Politicians and the media have been placed before sick patients, heavily pregnant women and elderly people by government planners.

Yesterday, leading BBC presenters were surprised to learn that they would be given preferential treatment. Jeff Randall, the BBC’s business editor, said: “Are you really telling me that I am on a priority list for bird flu jabs? Marvellous. I always knew there would be an advantage from working at the BBC.”
...
Fears that a “doomsday” virus may sweep the world have been heightened by the recent spread of the lethal strain of avian flu, H5N1.


And their advice for the rest of us?

"Avoid Chickens
Take Tamiflu
Head for the Hills"

"Although senior government ministers would be among the high-priority cases, the department said this weekend that it had not decided whether to include opposition politicians. "

Is that to be Blair's tactic for the next election then ? Innoculate all the Nulabour MPs then introduce bird flu virus into the Westminster air conditioning system ? :D

If the bird flu is gonna happen, its gonna happen, all we can do is be Prepared, and if it does happen, take the correct measures to make sure that we are able to cope with an out break. Why worry about it, lets just deal with the flu the best we can. I admit it is Scary but worrying gets nothing done. Mother Nature at it again, isnt life just wounderful?

So how near in the "future" is this likely to be guys?

I reckon just after Christmas.

Early New Year.

So save those receipts, there'll be a lot of presents going back :hihi:

Originally posted by angelgirluk
So how near in the "future" is this likely to be guys?

Probably about a week or so after the first epidemic breaks out in the far east. The only possible way to contain it would be a complete ban on air travel from the affected area, but as the incubation period is around a week this may be too late anyway.

Originally posted by Don_Kiddick
I reckon just after Christmas.

Early New Year.

So save those receipts, there'll be a lot of presents going back :hihi: d.k just seen todays news, the spokesperson for the government says dont worry but the look on his face told a different story, as you posted earlier do you have some second sight? and if so, can i have the lottery numbers for december please?:thumbsup: :hihi:

Originally posted by Greybeard
Probably about a week or so after the first epidemic breaks out in the far east. The only possible way to contain it would be a complete ban on air travel from the affected area, but as the incubation period is around a week this may be too late anyway.

How will banning air travel help? birds have wings. That's the problem. Sooner or later it is going to fly into Britain via abird, infect those who work with birds, mutate and then pass between humans.

This has been concerning me ever since we first heard about it months ago. And little has been done... the Government don't seem to be doing much to prepair other than making sure they've got a few vaccines for themselves.

I think it can only be a matter of time before bird flu hits Britian, as it's already been found in Europe.

It will be survival of the fittest - so the best way to protect yourself is to get healthy now. Eat more fruit and veg, get more sleep, relax more and take your vitamins.

It's all we can do really.

Originally posted by JBee


It's all we can do really.

Apart from buying tamiflu.

Originally posted by withnail
Apart from buying tamiflu.

What's Tamiflu?

Originally posted by JBee
What's Tamiflu?

Very expensive and probably not worth the bother, still....

you dont get it from eating the birds !!!
It's airbourne !! Like in the film 'outbreak'..... we are all going to die. All of us.

Either that or start running around like Rod Hull.

While believe Bird Flu is a deadly disease, I still think our goverments are over hyping the whole episode. You see Flu in general is a deadly disease and still kills thousands upon thousands of people per year.

Its probably more to do with mother nature than anything, but say if you take the Flu epidemic of the earlier part of last century, on a percentage basis it killed more people than this epidemic is expected. Why? because our world wide population as grown so much. So this in turn explains about mother nature, somthing somewere as got to give, we cannot keep expanding!

So there's only one thing for it - we all need to get armed and go bird hunting :hihi:

I agree with Greybeard......the only way to contain it is to ban air travel from the affected area. If I am right in thinking......this flu is pertaining to poultry.......therefore not airbourne by "birds". The danger is if the bird flu crosses to human beings. If that happens then it will spread throughout the globe as fast as a jet plane can fly! Up to now I think the only humans to die have been those in third world countries with dodgy hygiene that have been in very close contact with infected poultry. The sensible thing would to make sure that this disease stops within these countries and is treated at source........that is stamp it out where it is which will include isolating these areas totally for as long as it takes. Lets all pray it doesn't come to this! I also hope that I am right in thinking it is only affecting poultry because if not then we could all be in for a very bumpy ride.

At the moment all the human victims appear to have contracted it from exposure to birds with it.

On the Beeb's website over the last two days I read two stories - one was how they train birds in, I believe, Indonesia. Wait for it....grab bird, open beak and spit in it's mouth. Now, how much closer to French kissing a chicken can you get? In some states of the US that probably constitutes beastiality. :)

Second story - some fellow survives bird flu. He believes he may have contracted it from a local delicacy he ate. Uh oh, we say - contracted from food? Well, the food was sliced, raw, congealed duck blood.

I'm gobsmacked that only 60 people in the Far East and Asia have died from it if this stupidity happens.

Yes, it may jump species, but I'll put money on the fact that if the jump happens it will happen in these areas where people are criminally stupid, rather than in Western Europe where, on the whole, we have the common sense to not get loved up with the poultry and cook our meat before scoffing it.

Even if it does jump - there's still no indication what the resultant strain may be like. It may be less infective, or less dangerous when caught. So, I'm still in 'Don't Panic' mode.

Joe

Originally posted by rothschild
I agree with Greybeard......the only way to contain it is to ban air travel from the affected area. If I am right in thinking......this flu is pertaining to poultry.......therefore not airbourne by "birds". The danger is if the bird flu crosses to human beings. If that happens then it will spread throughout the globe as fast as a jet plane can fly! Up to now I think the only humans to die have been those in third world countries with dodgy hygiene that have been in very close contact with infected poultry. The sensible thing would to make sure that this disease stops within these countries and is treated at source........that is stamp it out where it is which will include isolating these areas totally for as long as it takes. Lets all pray it doesn't come to this! I also hope that I am right in thinking it is only affecting poultry because if not then we could all be in for a very bumpy ride.

All birds can get it, that's why it's so hard to contain - but our focus is on chickens because we eat them, we farm them, we come into regular contact with them, and it's easy for us to test them.

Wild Geese have been found to carry bird flu. Wild geese also migrate to Britain at this time of year.

So, I repeat, banning air travel will not stop bird flu. A bird will carry it in to this country and then our domestic birds will be effected. The worry is that then the flu will pass to humans who work with birds, and then mutate into a form that can be passed from human to human.

I think Rothschild was refering to the situation where the virus had mutatated to the human form and was being transmitted to other humans.

I've been reading about it in The Sunday Times where an editor has been keeping us up to date for the past year. He explains that transport hubs could be shut down in the event of a pandemic and that the virus could do its worst over a six week period.

I think it might be worth keeping an eye on this situation and preparing it.

Originally posted by JBee
All birds can get it, that's why it's so hard to contain - but our focus is on chickens because we eat them, we farm them, we come into regular contact with them, and it's easy for us to test them.

Wild Geese have been found to carry bird flu. Wild geese also migrate to Britain at this time of year.

So, I repeat, banning air travel will not stop bird flu. A bird will carry it in to this country and then our domestic birds will be effected. The worry is that then the flu will pass to humans who work with birds, and then mutate into a form that can be passed from human to human.

banning air travel will prevent the spread of an outbreak. This is because an outbreak can only occur if first someone catches it from a bird, and then the virus mutates to become easily transferable between people.
At the moment I think all cases have been caught directly from birds, there's be no human - human infection.

So you isolate the area where the virus has gone human - human, and wait until it burns out.

If the incubation period is a week though then it will probably be too late as Jo said, unless it's some outback of china, in which case we might be fast enough.

The majority of the people to die in the 1918 outbreak were the young and the old, or those already ill or weakened. Fit adults are much more likely to survive.

We (and other western nations) are currently building up stockpiles of the innoculation, although we don't currently have enough to treat the whole population. After blood sucking parasites like politicians and key workers like the nhs had been vacinnated I guess children and the elderly (and other high risk groups) would be targetted for vacinnation.
There have also been some promising results with a couple of common anti-virals.

I don't think we have too much to worry about here, it's not going to deciminate the population of the uk. We're a lot luckier than peasants in china or africa where they'll have no help and casualties will be a lot higher.

No need to worry the Government have 2 million vaccines to protect us from it :)

No need to worry the Government have 2 million vaccines to protect us from it

Details of how to get it are written in microform on this full stop

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Originally posted by Cyclone
[B An outbreak can only occur if first someone catches it from a bird, and then the virus mutates to become easily transferable between people.
At the moment I think all cases have been caught directly from birds, there's be no human - human infection.
[/B]

I know all this - I believe I said most of it in my post.

But it won't necessarily 'burn out', because the birds will still have it. So it may be transfered to us all over again.

Originally posted by JBee
I know all this - I believe I said most of it in my post.

But it won't necessarily 'burn out', because the birds will still have it. So it may be transfered to us all over again.

it will burn out if it's contained to a region.

Everyone who can catch it will catch it, then they either recover or die. If they recover they are then immune. Once that process is over we lift the quarantine. Oh, and kill all the poultry in the area just to be safe.

so am i safe to eat chicken nuggets :D :hihi: :hihi:

Nah- it won't mutate to a human form- anyway- this vaccine there talking about hasn't even been tested on this flu- fact!!!!

I would just like to say, I will be very ****** off if I pop my clogs due to this bird flu after having fended off the grim reaper 5 times already due to Klippel Trenaunay.

If I get bird flu and die after having survived almost bleeding to death, and a DVT in my Inferior Vena Cava, those birds have a lot to answer to.

No seriously, please don't scare me... I would rather be ignorant and not know about it til it happens lol

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No need to worry the Government have 2 million vaccines to protect us from it


Details of how to get it are written in microform on this full stop

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I hope it's easier than getting a NHS dentist:D

you'll be able to get it from Tesco's...no doctor needed :)

I properly believe that mother Nature is about to have a right old spring clean of the homo-sapien population. As with anywhere else in nature if one species becomes over dominant then things turn bad for that species and the system re-finds a balance.

RSPB have asked anyone who sees birds - especially water fowl - acting weirdly, dead with no obvious injury or just struggling, to contact them and report it. This is a high-risk time of year for incoming migratory birds such as water fowl from Siberia, which may have stopped over in Eastern Europe.

Originally posted by Deavon
I properly believe that mother Nature is about to have a right old spring clean of the homo-sapien population. As with anywhere else in nature if one species becomes over dominant then things turn bad for that species and the system re-finds a balance.

Kaiser Willelm, Adolf Hitler, Millwall Supporters, Mother Nature.....who next?

I don't know what he fuss is.

Plain old normal flu kills 13,000 + a year, and there is no wide spread panic about it.

Originally posted by JFKvsNixon
I don't know what he fuss is.

Plain old normal flu kills 13,000 + a year, and there is no wide spread panic about it.

Err... from The Gaurdian last weekend: An article about bird flu in Vietnam...

"In northern Vietnam, H5N1 first jumped to humans in January 2004. The virus triggered an explosive cytokine storm in the body as the immune system was induced to attack human tissue, causing massive haemorrhaging in the lungs. The x-rays of one patient in its grip are chilling: on day five, the bottom left of her lung is partially fogged; by day seven, both lungs have filled, as she drowned in her own body fluids."

Now I've had flu before and it's a nasty thing to suffer, but I think that description is enough to make anyone worry! This is seriously serious!

Originally posted by Deavon
Err... from The Gaurdian last weekend: An article about bird flu in Vietnam...

"In northern Vietnam, H5N1 first jumped to humans in January 2004. The virus triggered an explosive cytokine storm in the body as the immune system was induced to attack human tissue, causing massive haemorrhaging in the lungs. The x-rays of one patient in its grip are chilling: on day five, the bottom left of her lung is partially fogged; by day seven, both lungs have filled, as she drowned in her own body fluids."

Now I've had flu before and it's a nasty thing to suffer, but I think that description is enough to make anyone worry! This is seriously serious!

If bird flu kills its host so quickly after infection, it will be difficult to spread. One of the main reasons that the commen cold is one of the most successful viruses is because it causes little damage to its host.

The scare about mutating viruses have been here for a long time, ie ebola etc. For sure an epidemic will strike one day, just like an asteroid/comet will strike the earth one day. But there is not much we could do about it, we should worry about things we have control over, ie pollution, famine, war etc.

On a slightly different topic, the flu epidemic (was it called spanish influenza?) that hit after world war 1 (was this the last great epidemic?) is interesting because it mainly killed the healthy, and not the elderly/young.

So wats your opinion on this big epidemic sweeping the world!

Anyone made any precautions??????

Will we all run around clucking or summat????

As usual us british people wont do anything until its hit us... then it will be too late.

Maybe to be on the safe side all women should stay indoors until the threat has passed!

I'm sure there's plenty of housework to keep them busy...;)

More people starve to death every day than have died from bird flu so far, I think we should focus our attention on that.

lol@Dicko!!!!!!! Quality mate!

Whats it meant to do to you!!!!

Should i go to Mcdonalds quick and force feed on my favourite Chicken Sandwiches b4 its too late???????

And ive heard that it could cancel our very beloved sport Football?????? And with the blades standing top of the league and that!!!!!

Originally posted by matt1889
And ive heard that it could cancel our very beloved sport Football?????? And with the blades standing top of the league and that!!!!!

I didn't think it affected turkeys.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by matt1889

Whats it meant to do to you!!!!

Not too sure, but think it can make your ankles swell, become overly emotional and start drinking halves!!

I'll wait until CJD, Ebola, SARS and West Nile Virus have hit first before taking action... still waiting for those.

You've got more chance of dying from normal flu... lets get everyone a flu shot and wipe that out! :)

12,000 people die in the UK each year of flu. 660 people have died of bird flu worldwide in this outbreak...

more chance of winning the lottery, but someone somewhere (ie the shareholders of the company making the vaccine) are making big bucks...

A spokesman for the Greek government where there's been a case of bird flu identified reckons they have enough supplies of normal flu vaccine. So that's alright then.

It's all a conspiracy to draw attention from Amerca invading Iran.

:heyhey: :heyhey: :heyhey:

Originally posted by Don_Kiddick
It's all a conspiracy to draw attention from Amerca invading Iran.


Lol at your comment.. Probably true aswell.

Well, if you are amused by conspiracy theories, have a squint at this one.

http://www.rense.com/general67/avianflufright.htm

It cheered me up no end :thumbsup:

We've survived through salmonella outbreaks, mad cows disease and SARS... this is just the latest media scaremongering attempt to sell more papers. A small no. of people (vulnerable and unwell) may be taken seriously ill and/or die... but the vast vast vast majority of us will be fine: http://libraries.nelh.nhs.uk/respiratory/viewResource.asp?uri=http://libraries.nelh.nhs.uk/common/resources/?id=104867 (link to Department of health report)

Originally posted by Dicko
Maybe to be on the safe side all women should stay indoors until the threat has passed!

I'm sure there's plenty of housework to keep them busy...;)

I almost spat my chewing gum out reading this ... well done!

The predicted pandemic has yet to get started. You need the exisiting birdflu to mix/mutate with normal flu to produce a disease that spreads like flu but has some of the killing potential of birdflu.

Its quite likely that this may occur in the next year or so, and if its at all similar to the last flu pandemic it can kill healthy young victims as well as old, infirm and elderly.

The percentage of fatalities may be fairly small but that can still add up to thousands.

Robin

Yeah alright bird flu is worrying, but I think there is a bit of 'Let's make everyone worry' goin on...like with mad cow disease. Anyway, as everyone is so scared of it, I've decided to go as it for halloween. I'm gonna dress up as a bird with a hanky and blocked nose.

Originally posted by Internetowl
12,000 people die in the UK each year of flu. 660 people have died of bird flu worldwide in this outbreak...

more chance of winning the lottery, but someone somewhere (ie the shareholders of the company making the vaccine) are making big bucks...

Nooooo! Only 60 people have died of bird flu. There was one other possible case recently but it looks like that was a false alarm.

Someone with human flu needs to catch bird flu as well for the two to mutate into a form that can readily spread from human to human. In reality this probably won't happen straight away, it will probably require several hundred people with human flu to catch bird flu before they will actually mutate.

Bird flu is indiscriminate it has killed 1 in 3 of those infected regardless of pre-existing illnesses/age etc.

However, an estimated 50,000 deaths is minimal when compared to the number of people in this country that die from car accidents/cancer each year. There is no point in worrying or getting stressed about it. There is absolutely nothing we can do about it, unless you're planning on living in a hole away from the rest of society for the next few years which would just be ridiculous.

Originally posted by scottf
so am i safe to eat chicken nuggets :D :hihi: :hihi:

Nah- it won't mutate to a human form- anyway- this vaccine there talking about hasn't even been tested on this flu- fact!!!!

There isn't a vaccine at all. In very simplified terms vaccines work by injecting a very weak solution of the virus into the system so that your body produces antibodies against that specific virus so it can fight it off were you ever to catch it properly.

Until this virus has modified and is being passed from human to human no vaccine can be made against it because we need the virus itself to exist in the form it will infect humans. However they suspect that the first human to human cases will be in Asia so we will have time to develop the vaccine before it gets here. Not that we have a hope of them making enough doses for everybody and introducing a mass vaccination programme its just too expensive.

Mod note: Threads merged

Would anybody recommend purchasing some Tamiflu privately now?

Mayby I should get some vacine

About three years ago we where all supposed to drop dead from SARS (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome) according to 'The Daily Fear' :roll:

Whatever happened to SARS?

parrot in uk quarantine, had bird flu.
Just been confirmed on news.
People who have been in contact with it have been given anti viral drugs.

parrot brought in from south america has died whilst in quarantine.

"this bird is no more, its a deceased parrot"

whoa! ive just though, a parrot flew past me yesterday! what if it had bird flu? this whole things gettting outa proportion. (even though i go onabout not eating chicken n stuff.)
its not like everybody in the world is gonna die! chill out people!

Originally posted by melthebell
"this bird is no more, its a deceased parrot"

"It's resting"

Birds are notorious for shuffling off without provocation, just take them to the vets and they risk dying from the stress of it all. It proves nothing, and there are loads of other things that kill birds.

And anyway, I didn't think that there were any reported cases of bird flu in South America (of course, I could be wrong).

ive just looked on the bbc news site, it was bird flu

everyone stay in doors

But it was a bird in quarantine, so we don't have bird flu in the country. That shows what a brilliant idea quarantine is.

I understand that there have been no reports of H5 avian flu from S America but the bird was kept with a consignment from Taiwan, so that's most likely how it got the flu.

There are plenty of strains of bird flu about, and we don't know which strain yet, but it was contained. It's not like it was found in a wildlife sanctuary or anything. Then I'd worry.

"dont panic mr mainwaring"

I can't understand why, when bird-flu has been in some other countries for a couple of years now, only a relatively small number of people have died - yet they keep saying if it hits Britain then 60,000 could die... Is there something i'm missing here? (usually is) :hihi:

Originally posted by Hels
I can't understand why, when bird-flu has been in some other countries for a couple of years now, only a relatively small number of people have died - yet they keep saying if it hits Britain then 60,000 could die... Is there something i'm missing here? (usually is) :hihi:
IF

it mutates so humans can pass it on to other humans, the small number is only cos its people in direct contact with infected birds ie:- farm workers, battery hen workers etc

Originally posted by medusa666
But it was a bird in quarantine, so we don't have bird flu in the country. That shows what a brilliant idea quarantine is.

I understand that there have been no reports of H5 avian flu from S America but the bird was kept with a consignment from Taiwan, so that's most likely how it got the flu.

There are plenty of strains of bird flu about, and we don't know which strain yet, but it was contained. It's not like it was found in a wildlife sanctuary or anything. Then I'd worry.
quarantines still IN this country? its not floating, just off the coast?

Originally posted by melthebell
quarantines still IN this country? its not floating, just off the coast?

Quarantine procedures exist to provide an effective barrier to disease, and the areas are highly secure, the workers wear protective gear and don't come into direct contact with the animals, the areas are easy to sterilise, etc etc etc.

Any minute now people will be worrying that the lab which diagnosed all of the European cases and therefore carries a reference sample of the virus is- guess where- yes, in England. If you're going to panic, read the above paragraph. The same conditions apply.

Nobody seems very worried that pigs can also catch this avian flu. No govt health warnings on pork pies yet anyway, - so I suppose it's still OK to eat pork pies ? :help:

Originally posted by Greybeard
Nobody seems very worried that pigs can also catch this avian flu. No govt health warnings on pork pies yet anyway, - so I suppose it's still OK to eat pork pies ? :help:
thank god fer that, a workmate of mine has a pork pie every morning break at work, would he do if they banned pork pies?

will the vaccination be for everyone? will our children be ok to have it?

Originally posted by melthebell
thank god fer that, a workmate of mine has a pork pie every morning break at work, would he do if they banned pork pies?

Probably lose a few stones...! :D

Are there any tests for bird-flu that can be done while the bird is still alive?

If there is, then perhaps any bird being transported should have a certificate of health before it can commence its journey?

Not to my knowledge- and if the birds are tested whilst still on home soil then there is no way of knowing whether they are in the incubation period after catching the yirus, but before showing symptoms. Quarantine would still be needed for the incubation period of the virus.

And anyway, that would only work if there was only a small range of things that they could bring in with them. As it is, there wouldn't be any blood left in the poor thing if you needed to test it for all of the diseases it could be carrying, and the cost (financial rather than moral) would be prohibitive. I agree that it would be good to not have to cull so many birds, but the risks of it getting out if we don't react strongly enough are just too high. Think back to foot and mouth and the horrific scenes of animal culls.

Originally posted by melthebell
"this bird is no more, its a deceased parrot"

I would love to quote the whole Monty Python parrot sketch mel, but can't trawl through absolutely all of the 45 episodes of Python....

The complete and unexpurgated python scripts (http://www.ibras.dk/montypython/justthewords.htm)
Enjoy :)

As for bird flu ..... 'The Daily Fear' (media) will be having a field day tomorrow......

Shouldn't we all of died of 'SARS' about three years ago, anyway? :suspect:

Yes , be warned -----as with Edwina Currie's eggs , Mad Cow Disease , Aids and Other Dreadful Things , it won't be long now before millions of people will be keeling over in the streets from Bird Flu .
The Government must spend billions of pounds immediately and we must have hundreds of Health and Safety conferences at once to combat this deadly scourge . Counsellors must be rushed into all areas to re-assure the Great British Public .
If we are not vigilant , WE ARE DOOMED .

BAN THE BIRD !!!

BAN THE BIRD !!!

http://www.entertainmentearth.com/images/AUTOIMAGES/TYV15029.jpg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4366520.stm

Originally posted by FORE
"It's resting"

Yeah, but it's got beautiful plumage, the Norwegian Blue...

lol

Meanwhile, back on topic...

No,as has been said, the fact is that bird flu is still not technically *in* the UK, because the ex-parrot (lol) in question was still in quarantine.

PT

The info on the parrot with flu has already been mentioned in

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=56596&highlight=bird+flu

Why start another thread.


allready merged thanks

Sick as a Parrot! :mrgreen:

Originally posted by tara
The info on the parrot with flu has already been mentioned in

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=56596&highlight=bird+flu

Why start another thread.


allready merged thanks

MOD NOTE: It has - a kind forumer reported it :)

I wonder if the media are over playing this virus somewhat,remember when we were all going to suffer terribly when BSE came about but in the end it was nowhere near as bad as we was led to beleive.
But now that it is here according to the press we will see wont we?

Despite the fact that the media seem to be desperate for it, I am not in the slightest bit worried.

As I understand it, an average figure for people dying of flu in this country every year is 12,000 or so.

So if we add on another 50,000 for this type then, while its still a huge increase, it doesn't warrant the mass hysteria that the media seems to be suffering.

The best thing you can do is worry about the things you can do something about. Eat a good diet, do plenty of exercise, eat plenty of fresh fruit and veg to boost up your immune system. Remember its only people who are very weak and vulnerable to start with who are ever going to be killed by a flu virus - so any treatment or vaccine should be primarily for the very young and the old (as it is for "normal" flu)

Originally posted by Yodameister
Despite the fact that the media seem to be desperate for it, I am not in the slightest bit worried.

As I understand it, an average figure for people dying of flu in this country every year is 12,000 or so.

So if we add on another 50,000 for this type then, while its still a huge increase, it doesn't warrant the mass hysteria that the media seems to be suffering.

The best thing you can do is worry about the things you can do something about. Eat a good diet, do plenty of exercise, eat plenty of fresh fruit and veg to boost up your immune system. Remember its only people who are very weak and vulnerable to start with who are ever going to be killed by a flu virus - so any treatment or vaccine should be primarily for the very young and the old (as it is for "normal" flu)

That is the problem with this strain of bird flu. It does not matter how young/old, fit/healthy you are, it kills indiscriminately around 1 in 3 of the people it infects. But eating halthily etc. won't do you any harm.

Originally posted by Twiglet
That is the problem with this strain of bird flu. It does not matter how young/old, fit/healthy you are, it kills indiscriminately around 1 in 3 of the people it infects. But eating halthily etc. won't do you any harm.

Well I don't know whether that is true or not, but the point I was making is consistent with that, worry about the things you can do something about.

The reason this is such a big story is because the papers always have to have something to worry us with, and this just happens to be the best story they can come up with at the moment.

Who is this Blird Fu - and why is he trying to kill us all?? :hihi:

Craigb.
It's all a plot by the British Media and a Chinese Chicken farmer ---Blird Fu.
Apparently , the British Public haven't been scared out of their wits for a week or two ------so something desperate needed to be done . Can you imagine our country going a month without getting the vapours or hysterics or wanting to ban Birds or something ? It hardly bears thinking about .
Life wouldn't be the same without the Witch Doctors of Our Age coming on T.V. to tell us how millions will kick the bucket unless the Government grants the Witch Doctors billions of pounds to combat the terrifying threat from across the seas .

Does anybody else find it slightly ironic that Bird Flu finally arrived on these shores via a dead Parrott?

Having the ex-parrott discussed with such seriousness on the TV and radio seems to have tipped the whole issue into the realm of the surreal.

Just a little thought before bed...

The human form of Bird Flu has now reached the border of Europe. As yet it is still not airborne between humans, but the fact that the bird virus that jumped species in Asia has now started doing so in Turkey does not bode well.

The shadow approaches.

Originally posted by Deavon
Does anybody else find it slightly ironic that Bird Flu finally arrived on these shores via a dead Parrott?

Having the ex-parrott discussed with such seriousness on the TV and radio seems to have tipped the whole issue into the realm of the surreal.
Tchoh! It WASN'T dead! It was Pining! :rolleyes:


:hihi:

I dont think anyone should worry about bird flu coming to the UK.
Every year thousands of people die from contracting flu of one kind or another.

So far, world wide there have been 76 deaths related to bird flu and everyone seems to be getting into a panic.
Of the 76 Deaths recorded, all the people involved either worked with fowl or were in close contact with birds for a period of time.

I would be more worried if ebola were to be imported from Africa as it has been around for many years, it is passed from person to person and there is no cure.

Originally posted by Don_Kiddick
Tchoh! It WASN'T dead! It was Pining! :rolleyes:


:hihi:

yes, it was pining for the fjords!

PT

BBC Breaking News: (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4592556.stm)

Two children and an adult have tested positive for bird flu in the Turkish capital Ankara, the city's governor Kemal Onal has said.

Originally posted by Plain Talker
yes, it was pining for the fjords!

PT

Pining for the Fjords??? :confused:

Originally posted by Don_Kiddick
Pining for the Fjords??? :confused:

yeah, it was pining for the Fjords,

Lovely plumage, the Norwegian Blue....

P " it has ceased to be!" T

The only people getting bird flu are the ones that live with the birds in their homes. They are constantly breathing in dust and mites and the like.

If you take notice of what the scientists say instead of the media then you would understand that bird flu is not an airborne virus yet and not passed from human to human.

Dont worry yet it is a long way off being dangerous for us.

Originally posted by Plain Talker
yeah, it was pining for the Fjords,

Lovely plumage, the Norwegian Blue....

P " it has ceased to be!" T
Are you on Drugs? Second posting of the exact statement.
You must be looking to get your post numbers up .....and going off subject somewhat......amazing that we didnt get a run down of the norwegian blues tail feather structure etc

I'm ok, being a bloke, it only affects birds!

And however bad bird flu is, it can never be as bad as a pandemic of man-flu.

man flu is crippling meaks

What are the symptoms It's just I've been peckish all day :hihi:

Originally posted by dilwise
The only people getting bird flu are the ones that live with the birds in their homes. They are constantly breathing in dust and mites and the like.

If you take notice of what the scientists say instead of the media then you would understand that bird flu is not an airborne virus yet and not passed from human to human.

Dont worry yet it is a long way off being dangerous for us.

sounds like it's more like Psittacosis, then, which is dust-borne...

but i heard it was a virus, so that leaves me confuzzled...

PT

Originally posted by Delboy3
Are you on Drugs? Second posting of the exact statement.
You must be looking to get your post numbers up .....and going off subject somewhat......amazing that we didnt get a run down of the norwegian blues tail feather structure etc

and your point being.....?

not bumping post count, and fyi, I was replying to another members post. TY

PT

more cases in Turkey confirmed...

probably missing ones from the summer holidays turning up

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4723688.stm

We're probably going to see the first proper British cases in the next couple of weeks.

Dateline, yesterday... Tuesday:
UK farmers call for 15m UK birds to be vaccinated.
EU officials have approved plans by France and the Netherlands to vaccinate (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4734748.stm)
UK Government says vaccines not needed (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4737276.stm)


Dateline, today... Wednesday:

I see on the BBC news 24 ticker that the UK Government says that it has no Vaccine!


Have I missed something? :suspect:

I guess we had better just sit and wait until they need to slaughter every food bird in the country! What do you reckon? 2-4 months?

I thought they found it in some dead swans in England just the other day, or have I been dreaming again :confused:

I guess we had better just sit and wait until they need to slaughter every food bird in the country! What do you reckon? 2-4 months?

Given our governments handling of the foot and mouth outbreak, this is the end result I am expecting :|

What's that Anthony Blair got against farmers anyway :confused:

Vaccination would be pointless imo and I cannot understand why the French are doing it and other countries are considering such.

To vaccinate effectively you have to give the bird three seperate injections - imagine trying to do this in a place with hundreds/thousands of the beggars running around.....miss ONE, and the whole exercise is pointless.
The French says it has half a million doses 'ready to rumble', sounds a lot....but consider I deal with 2 UK factories that are each processing in excess of a million birds per week for human food!!

Also by vaccinating you will close off all your export trade. No country will buy poultry from a country that is innoculating flocks........it's almost like buying something that you know may have a problem.

Like it or not, the harsh reality is that if it does hit the UK (and that is a big IF from what I understand) the only truly effective way to deal with it is to cull the populations of infected areas and start again.

Tony - it takes 6 weeks to get from egg to plate (generally).
So if you stop chick placements and cull at 'standard food processing' pace you could do it in 6 weeks.
A whole lot less time when there are no food production or animal welfare issues to deal with.

I agree with a lot of what you say there BudLover, but I'm more concerned about the Governments lack of planning and the knock on effects.

There will be flocks that can be inoculated, especially the free range layer crops that are for UK consumption. Nobody can say how long epidemic will last, so yes, culling within the growth / laying cycle is fine if it's short lived for layers, but with eating birds... as soon as you start culling 18 - 20 week pullets and it lasts more than a couple of crops you're going to have a lot of farmers in big trouble... again!

Free range is seriously looking like having a complete collapse of business if they have to take birds in for any length of time.

Meanwhile Lord Sainsbury and Lord Haskins buy in from Nth America or some other H5N1 free zone :(

I thought they found it in some dead swans in England just the other day, or have I been dreaming again :confused:

They were testing them but I think they confirmed they didn't have H5N1.

Apparently there was an acute case of bird flu in Hillsborough the other day, after Wednesday lost there were lots of poorly Owls :D

I'm sorry, I know this is a serious issue, feel free to pull this post and tell me off if you want Mods.

Over the years , we've all seen how disasters can overtake us .
We were warned in no uncertain terms , in the '50's and '60's that we were in for a new Ice Age [ " every 20,000 years -due any time " ] . Obviously that was a bit inaccurate and we must now prepare for a new period of Global Warming .
Everyone will remember how many millions were felled by Acid Rain and the destruction of the Rain Forests .
Then we had Ms. Currie's warning about eggs . I guess with the furore over that episode , a few hundred thousand must have kicked the bucket ?
If that didn't get us then Aids was bound to do so and we can see today how the population has been decimated by this scourge !
We've had Mad Cow Disease and a flesh -eating virus doing the rounds to mop up those who survived and a touch of Legionnaires Disease to more or less complete the job .
But ........... if anyone has survived this holocaust , there is always Bird 'Flu to worry about ! The quicker the Government pours billions of pounds into combating this evil phenomena , the safer we will all sleep safer in our beds .

you forgot about anthrax

Im not worried one little bit.Its all hyped up over nothing really.

You've put me off watching "Chicken Little" now..:)

Such a positive post ;)

Such a positive post ;)

OK.....:D

I am scared to death by all the examples the peeps on here have mentioned.

I wonder how I managed to live this long............

ps......feel free to make a humorous comment, I really won't mind., honest:)

I'm personally on the look out for the 'Walking Man' and am expecting to dream of Mother Abigail anytime now. (Stephen King's 'The Stand' starts off with a virulent 'flu)

:)

Given that 50,000 people die of normal 'flu every year in the UK I'm still convinced that it's being hyped up beyond all common sense.

Joe

This chicken flu thing reminds me a little of the SARS outbreak just a few years back, that too started in the far east, killed almost all that became infected and was made in to a massive scare story by the press.
And has anyone heard of that since no, people love to panic.:loopy:

Mod note: Threads merged and title changed.

mass graves similar to the ones used to bury the plague victims could be used in britain if we have a bird flu epidemic, read this ........
http://www.rense.com/general70/press.htm

what do you think about mass burials ?

what is there to think about once your in you wont be coming back out again so it wont make much difference who is laid at the side of you or on top of you. if it is going to happen then let it happen what can we do to stop it nothing the goverment will have got the last word on this one.

what is there to think about once your in you wont be coming back out again so it wont make much difference who is laid at the side of you or on top of you. if it is going to happen then let it happen what can we do to stop it nothing the goverment will have got the last word on this one.

How true, the Government will have the last word.........they have reserved the first batches of a potential vaccine for themselves already...:mad:

It's something they have to plan for, odd as it seems for a government to be planning for the death of many of the nations citizens it could be unavoidable....

....if bird flu is a real threat and not just a very clever commercial ploy, that is

Still not sure (Amazing amount of senior American government connected with primary vaccine manufacturing company, for example). This could just be opportunism though, bird flu may well be something to worry about.

Suppose I'd rather be buried in a mass grave than slowly decompose in my family's home because there's no organised burial scheme if the worst case does happen

I don't think it's that scary as it won't be a final arrangement. Like in the Asian tsunami, they will probably microchip the bodies so they can be exhumed at a later date and given a proper send off by families when funerary facilities are better able to cope.

Suppose I'd rather be buried in a mass grave than slowly decompose in my family's home because there's no organised burial scheme if the worst case does happen

A bit off subject, but I'm sure depoix won't mind.........my family tell me I am rapidly decomposing at the PC Keyboard on SF.....mind you I get my OAP before the year end...............:hihi:

How true, the Government will have the last word.........they have reserved the first batches of a potential vaccine for themselves already...:mad:

But what would we do without the govt., - how on earth would we manage ? That why they built themsleves all those nuclear bunkers in the 60s, cos they realised the country would just go to the dogs without their guiding hand :D

what do you think about mass burials ?

I thought that it's a good thing as the chances of me being an unwilling partner in necrophillia are decreased as there'll be prettier corspes than mine to choose from :)

mind you I get my OAP before the year end...............:hihi:

Welcome to the club sunshine :thumbsup:

Twiglet.... I didn't even think of micro chipping the bodies but I doubt they would ever be exhumed in case they re-infect the population again.

I suppose mass graves would be the only answer. The amount of space required would be enormous otherwise and the time taken to bury the bodies would be unthinkable.

Just a thought, - wouldn't it be wise to burn the bodies before they bury them. Worms eat bodies and birds eat worms, - wouldn't want poor little cock robin catching bird flu from my corpse ;)

Welcome to the club sunshine :thumbsup:

I hope I get it before the Avian Flu gets here....I've paid enough into the shrinking pot...........:thumbsup:

Twiglet.... I didn't even think of micro chipping the bodies but I doubt they would ever be exhumed in case they re-infect the population again.

I suppose mass graves would be the only answer. The amount of space required would be enormous otherwise and the time taken to bury the bodies would be unthinkable.i had similar thoughts,then i thought about the miles and miles of ready made tombs,very deep under ground, the old coal mines......

I hope I get it before the Avian Flu gets here....I've paid enough into the shrinking pot...........:thumbsup:

It's reckoned the elderly and the very young will be hardest hit by any bird flu pandemic. Can just imagine Gordy Brown rubbing his hands at the thought of all the OAP and child benefit money he'll be saving :hihi:

Every cloud has a silver lining.

It's reckoned the elderly and the very young will be hardest hit by any bird flu pandemic. Can just imagine Gordy Brown rubbing his hands at the thought of all the OAP and child benefit money he'll be saving :hihi:

Every cloud has a silver lining.

Yep, no doubt he will be keeping his eye on that.

mass graves similar to the ones used to bury the plague victims could be used in britain if we have a bird flu epidemic
What a load of hysteria-inducing crud! Not aimed at the OP of course, just the media and the government

Twiglet.... I didn't even think of micro chipping the bodies but I doubt they would ever be exhumed in case they re-infect the population again.

I suppose mass graves would be the only answer. The amount of space required would be enormous otherwise and the time taken to bury the bodies would be unthinkable.

Not really, viruses don't survive long without a live body to infect. The only infectious organisms that persist for a significant amount of time in the burial environment are fungal spores such as anthrax.

Not really, viruses don't survive long without a live body to infect. The only infectious organisms that persist for a significant amount of time in the burial environment are fungal spores such as anthrax.

Would you personally chance digging them up though? :gag: :D :D

Would you personally chance digging them up though? :gag: :D :D

Yes actually :D Having dug up plenty of dead people albeit they died some time ago, with no prior knowledge of what they died of/may have suffered from :D

With adequate personal protective equipment plus vaccination, risk of any chance infection would be minimal.

Yes actually :D Having dug up plenty of dead people albeit they died some time ago, with no prior knowledge of what they died of/may have suffered from :D

With adequate personal protective equipment plus vaccination, risk of any chance infection would be minimal.

I hope this is not your dinner party talk. :D What did you do with the dead bodies you dug up? can you get me one? :D :D :D

I hope this is not your dinner party talk. :D What did you do with the dead bodies you dug up? can you get me one? :D :D :D
Of course it's my dinner party talk, get told off by my parents when I'm visiting and try to talk about it at the dinner table though :hihi:

Some are reburied, some are in my special lab :D Sorry, don't indulge in the human remains black market I need my job!

Of course it's my dinner party talk, get told off by my parents when I'm visiting and try to talk about it at the dinner table though :hihi:

Some are reburied, some are in my special lab :D Sorry, don't indulge in the human remains black market I need my job!

So you do have some skeletons in your closet then?.... :D

With the announcement in the last 30 minutes of a swan found in the UK with Bird Flu (strain not yet confirmed) there is a new thread on the topic.

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?p=1049808#post1049808