Is it true that they are going to ban the consumption of alcohol around Devonshire Green?

I really hope so because I am sick of seeing chavscum walking about with their cans of Tennents Extra urinating in public and spoiling for a fight.

I'd hope so too. I've not heard anything about it though, where did you hear it from?

The sooner they clean that area up the better. It is attracting all sorts of youths and girls from all over the city by all accounts. I have no problem with folk enjoying themselves but I hear that Devonshire Green is really bad.

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its a dark day



lol


oh the summer days drinking on there :)

Originally posted by Escafeldia
It is attracting all sorts of youths and girls from all over the city

lol, how much sense does that make ?

It does gather a contingent of undesirables agreed, but so do the city centre streets.

So what is the solution ?

One solution is to take the licence away from the shop that sells alcohol to the tramps when they are already drunk.

I saw this happen, and I did tell the police, but they didn't care.

Originally posted by Escafeldia
The sooner they clean that area up the better. It is attracting all sorts of youths and girls from all over the city by all accounts. I have no problem with folk enjoying themselves but I hear that Devonshire Green is really bad. Aren't girls youths at some point ?

ahhh devonshire green , past provider of much merriment , alcohol and debauchery. and nice days in the sun in summer. somehow it all went wrong. but think about it , these people are confined to one space in town , if they cant drink there theyll just move on somewhere else.

start by closing GT News on the Moor which has an extensive assortment of tramp cheap wine.

They might also have to do something about Bargain Beers which opened on West St a week or so back. A fine establishment - Kestrel on special this week :thumbsup: hurry while stocks last :roll:

Be nice if devonshire green was a tranquil oasis in the centre of the city. Not likely to happen any time soon though really is it? :P

Originally posted by Andy
... from the shop that sells alcohol to the tramps...

What concerns me more is the people who make the drinks... Does some highly paid exec at a brewery hold a meeting and say,

"Ok, we've got alcopops for the kids and lager for the 18-20 market cornered. However, I feel we're really losing out in the tramp beer sector. More special brew!"

I mean, really...

Originally posted by Captain_Scarlet
Aren't girls youths at some point ?

"Youths" are generally defined as "Young Men". The general term "Youth" can be applied to both sexes, e.g. "The youth of the country.....". Perhaps you would prefer "Youthesses" for girls/young women?

What's wrong with devonshire green? I live right next to it and there's nothing wrong with it... you guys need to get out more.

Originally posted by 2c4s
What's wrong with devonshire green? I live right next to it and there's nothing wrong with it... you guys need to get out more.

And I live right round the corner. I popped out yesterday to go to Rare & Racy and there was a tramp stood outside the door giving grief to everybody who walked past and tried to get in the shop. Not even the usual "got any change?" it was more swear words and shouting and screaming, because he was drunk. It was 11.30! So I cross the road and walked straight past into town.

At the weekend I walked past with my girlfriend and there was a group of about 7 lads stood on the edge near Forum, as we walked past every single one turned around and stared at her. She nearly burst into tears and got really upset that people were looking at her in such a way, and she won't walk past the green on her own now.

Everytime I walk past, or through I always feel intimadated in some way. Don't get me wrong there's a lot of harmless people who enjoy the green for what it is, either with Alcohol or without, but it's the minority that spoil it for everybody else.

Originally posted by 2c4s
What's wrong with devonshire green? I live right next to it and there's nothing wrong with it... you guys need to get out more.

sounds like you need to get out more and open your eyes to the downard spiral of what should be an enjoyable space to use.

i'd love to see a zero tolerance approach to Devonshire Green so that more people could use it without being hassled and intimidated by these lowlife scum.

i thought that the developers of west.one and royal plaza had to pay money to the council to improve the green as a condition of gaining planning permission? if so, i don't see any evidence of spending.

I dont think its nearly as bad as people are making out

people have always got drunk there (in my younger years me being one of them) - if they're taking a zero tolerance approach to t'green, maybe they should ban drinking in chain football pubs, or the whole of hillsborough?

Originally posted by Carl_Malibu
I dont think its nearly as bad as people are making out

people have always got drunk there (in my younger years me being one of them) - if they're taking a zero tolerance approach to t'green, maybe they should ban drinking in chain football pubs, or the whole of hillsborough?

Where I come up from (up north) there's zero tolerance to drinking on the streets, there's a £500 fine if you're walking around town with a "tinnie" in your hand. It works, it's effective and it got rid of all the yobs. You get arrested and a £500 instant fine.

It is bad, and I avoid the area at certain times of the day, just because I don't feel all that safe. The Green is a great place, and there's a few who spoil it for the majority. We've been sat down on it a few times, and some "drunk" has come up harrassing us for money, or for drink, of even a smoke.

Fine, I don't have a problem with people drinking on there who don't cause a problem, but what's your solution for those who do?

Me and the missus were walking through it a couple of weeks ago and an oik approached us "Got any skunk you can sell us?" he asked. We then passed some urchins merrily quaffing booze and being arses.

We agreed that they can stick up all the fancy shops, flats and try and make it as cosmopolitan as you like but it'll still attract all the pond life who'll knacker it for reasonable folk.

If they make it a no booze area then that may go some way to making it more bearable, problem is, where will the drink addled troglodytes go next?

man theres some idiots on this forum,it isnt bad at all,its ju8st a few chavs n pissheads

Originally posted by venger
So what is the solution?

Ban it! Ban it all! It's for our own good!
Won't someone please think of the children!
BAN IT!

Originally posted by Carl_Malibu
I dont think its nearly as bad as people are making out

people have always got drunk there (in my younger years me being one of them) - if they're taking a zero tolerance approach to t'green, maybe they should ban drinking in chain football pubs, or the whole of hillsborough?


Yeah I'll back that up. I've moved out of Victoria Hall today (:( ) after ten weeks, and I also lived there for a year up until July 2004, so I know the area reasonably well. The green is one of my favourite areas in Sheffield because you get such a wide range of people there. You get skaters, goths, students, trendies, chavs and couples. In the past I've seen a group of people light a bonfire on the green with wood pallets, then all sit round it chilling. I've also people dancing round in UV and swinging those flaming chains around, or the UV streamers that you spin at arms length. The whole place has a very cool psychedelic stoners vibe that makes it quite unique. :thumbsup:

Devonshire Green could be such a nice place. But it's a dump.

Devonshire green could do with the paths being re-laid so they're straight across the green, then some low fencing added around the edges to stop people cutting in/out away from the paths.

Seems really daft seeing the curved pathways across the green, then a straight line of mud right next to it where people actually want to walk.

...If they changed that, the place would instantly become nicer.

Aside from that, fencing around the BMX park and altering the exits to it so it exits away from the green would seperate the bmx park from the green and keep the grass in that area less trodden.

Anyway, pedantic grass-rant over.

As for the tramps and other undesirables, perhaps the council could invest a little more in devonshire green and take some guards from the peace gardens to there sometimes.

Originally posted by Hook
Where I come up from (up north) there's zero tolerance to drinking on the streets, there's a £500 fine if you're walking around town with a "tinnie" in your hand. It works, it's effective and it got rid of all the yobs. You get arrested and a £500 instant fine.



Seriously? Where the hell are you from?! An Orwellian novel?

500 quid for a having a drink in public? Sheeesh.

Originally posted by boyface
Seriously? Where the hell are you from?! An Orwellian novel?

500 quid for a having a drink in public? Sheeesh.

It's part of the Cleveland Police Zero Tolerance campaign, and it's enforced by Stockton-On-Tees Borough Council bylaws.

It works, nobody drinks in public except in licensed areas. The police do however exhibit some discretion.

So is it just the maximum fine if you're caught on the street doing something bang out of order....or is it really enforced just for holding an open can in public?

It seems way too harsh....Im from a tad more north than you and we have nothing like that.

It's like saying:

"You can buy booze and we'll take your tax on it....but make sure you drink it behind closed doors to pretend it doesn't happen"

Originally posted by Hook
It's part of the Cleveland Police Zero Tolerance campaign, and it's enforced by Stockton-On-Tees Borough Council bylaws.

It works, nobody drinks in public except in licensed areas. The police do however exhibit some discretion.

yeah thanks to ray "arse" mallon



i see the nicely chilled out, tolerant, laid back, people have spoken in this thread about the social ills again...............why not just kill all the people you despise.....the homeless, the tramps, chavs, pissheads, punks, drunks, faggots, blacks, asians, some bloke who walks in front of you while your shopping.

some people really need to take a step back from their small minded narrow little lives and look at the bigger picture.

as have been said so what if theres people drinking, yes some are *****, not all ...............i used to be drinking in the peace gardens, little peace gardens next to the city hall, fountain, devonshire green ..........never tried to cause trouble, even smacked a mate once who kicked a bin over as we came out of the frog and parrot, and told him never to do it again while with me

the problem with dev green (apart from the litter-and you can be as cool and pschodelic as you like but clean up after yourselves)

the big issue I have is the winos and c**ksucker who sit round the back of Varsity and make "funny" comments and intimidate everyone walking past. they are there everyday

Originally posted by Daley
In the past I've seen a group of people light a bonfire on the green with wood pallets, then all sit round it chilling.

How do you 'chill' sat round a bonfire ? :D

Dev Green is for kids to get drunk and mess themselves up, thats why the skateparks there. If you don't like it go somewhere else simple.

I see antics on Chavonshire Green every day cos I work facing it. Fact is, half of the people on there are peacefully engaged in civilised behavour, the other half is not. On average I witness 2 - 3 acts of violence each week and many more acts of intimidation/vandalism/general anti-social behavoiur. It seems to be a firm council policy to allow scumbags free rein on the Green in order to keep them away from Peace Gdns etc. I guess it will get cleared up when the Council receives the lotery money it says it needs to redevelop the Green - they will then have to displace the scumbags somewhere else. In the meantime, it's up to all of us to complain to the council. I speak to the foreign students who live all round there - some of them realise the bums on the Green are not typical but others think this is normal life in a British city! Scary eh? At the end of the day we all get the city we deserve and if we don't kick up a fuss and get these problems sorted we have no-one to blame but ourselves

Too right you are Chav! I like your renaming of it to

Chavonshire Green

- just about sums it up!

I've walked back and forth through the green for many years and have seen rremarkably little trouble, some of the guys from the Salvation Army hostel who used to sit on the benches near the playground were slightly intimidating, mostly because you weren't quite sure just what they MIGHT do. The playground has now gone and so those benches are now left unoccupied.
If I was approached, threatened, intimidated, scared or any of the things that people are grumbling about I'd have a really good moan to every official body I could think of so probably the police and the council.
In my younger days I and many of my friends used to sit in the Peace Gardens on Saturday afternoons and although we may of looked a bit intimidating [not me] and used to drink quite a bit we never caused trouble. If we did start getting a bit rowdy, a favorite pastime was throwing people in the pools and fountains by the egg-box the police would come and tell us to behave ourselves. That was something I do remember, a police presense with officers walking through reasonably frequently. Maybe this is what the Green needs and if enough people complain to the right authorities something may improve.

Originally posted by ultracynic
Is it true that they are going to ban the consumption of alcohol around Devonshire Green?

Erm.. It's already illegal to drink on Dev Green, if I'm not mistaken. Drinking in the street has always been illegal..

Unless you mean in the pubs and clubs around Dev Green? Not sure how that would work..

Hi, im new to the forum but i thought i would sign up to it to reply to this thread. What everyone is saying is rediculous, Yes Dev may be a bit rough but im 16 years old, i walk over it every day and i never feel intimidated in the slightest.

of Course on a saturday your going to have the drunken 13 year olds rolling down to Kiddy Corp but they wont trouble you and its silly to feel intimidated by them.

The older people who get together arent there for trouble they are just enjoying the nice weather, and as for alcohol, so what if they want to have a few cans? they always put empties in the bin (more than i can say for the 13year olds and their lambrini/cider bottles).

your always going to get a few nasty people here and there but where in Sheffield dont you thesedays. that should be the issue here, not just focusing on devonshire green.

rant over. thanks for puttin up with me :P xxx

If you think Devonshire Green is bad try walking through Amsterdam, half of the people on here would probably break down in tears and chuck themselves in the canal.

Seriously though, you get idiots everywhere and if you know where they're likely to be it makes it easier to avoid them. Personally never had any trouble on there - been offered a few CD's, some pork chops and porn at a reasonable price but apart from that.

ive walked through devonshire green plenty of times, and never had any trouble

The older people who get together arent there for trouble they are just enjoying the nice weather, and as for alcohol, so what if they want to have a few cans? they always put empties in the bin (more than i can say for the 13year olds and their lambrini/cider bottles).



I used to live on Devonshire Green up until last year and I found it to be a very unpleasant place. The older people I used to see drinking on there certainly were there for trouble, I saw them having loud domestics on several occasions as well as giving verbal to passers by, and once beating up someone in a phone box. They were always the same group of people, always drunk and always loud. They NEVER put their rubbish in the bin, the place would be a mess for days afterwards.

There was the odd occasion in the summer I felt comfortable going to sit out in the sun, but this wasn't often. It was such a shame for a valuable green space in a city centre to be treated like this.

Didn't this start out as a dig at the Dev Cat?

why is everyone soooo bothered??? they might be getting ******, but to be honest where in the city dont people get ******? are we gunna start banning all the pubs, parks and restaurants now? first smoking, then drinking! next its going to be a ban on holding your partners hand in town or dancing....they're just trying to make the best of their otherwsise pretty ****ty lifes and im agreed that its not the most savoury of sights...but who are we to judge? ive sat and had converstaions with these people before and they are really not that bad, just have had bad experiances and find salvation in their group of friends that all seem to be in the same boat...why should we outcast them even more? surely we live in a free world and we are free to make our own decisions, these people dont ahve any baring on my life...so why do they have such a baring on yours? dont you have your own life and your own problems to be bothered by? it seems that you people need to get a life!

i've nothing against drinking on devonshire green.

what i am against is people leaving all their litter, having loud domestics, verbally abusing others, begging, taxing, fighting and openly urinating in public.

this could be such a nice space for people to use but there is a small minority that ruin it for the majority

could do with security like the peace gardens

I was under the impression that you weren't allowed to drink alcohol on the street/public areas. Am I just imagining that?

I was under the impression that you weren't allowed to drink alcohol on the street/public areas. Am I just imagining that?
im not completely clear on the laws...would be really interested to know?

ive walked through devonshire green plenty of times, and never had any trouble

Me neither.

Devonshire Green is one of the few places that attracts the whole spectrum of people to it. I dont see it as exclusively for chavs or students or stoners or whoever. Theres a big variety of people on there. Thats what makes it such a 'place to be'.

If necessary, just to calm the whingers down, I dont see whats wrong with sending a few coppers or security through it on patrol here and there.

But to be honest the whingers need to get a life. Theres far more urgent, pressing issues that need confronting locally than a few stoners looking scruffy

But to be honest the whingers need to get a life. Theres far more urgent, pressing issues that need confronting locally than a few stoners looking scruffy[/QUOTE]
hear hear :thumbsup:

Think they changed the laws about 5 years back. As far as I know it's now illegal to carry an open container of alcohol in public (other than in licensed places obviously).
It's not as if the police give a toss about it though unless the situation gets out of hand... and even then...

start by closing GT News on the Moor which has an extensive assortment of tramp cheap wine.

Start doing what they do in Sweden - the strongest stuff you can get in most places is 3.5%.

start by closing GT News on the Moor which has an extensive assortment of tramp cheap wine.

Not heard of the brand of wine before. I wonder if it is really cheap?

I've worked on West St most evenings for about 2 years now. Everyday I walk past the Dev Green on route. Without fail, I've seen the same group of drunks/drug addicted tramps their every day. Either sat across the road from Budgens or walking up and down or outside Boots chemists.

They're such a mess and a troublesome blight on the landscape, drunk and fighting, arguing and urinating everywhere. For a long time, customers and my work mates have all agreed - its time they were moved on somewhere and were helped to have their lives straightened out.

If banning beers on the Dev Green is the only way to do it, then go for it.

They're such a mess and a troublesome blight on the landscape, drunk and fighting, arguing and urinating everywhere. For a long time, customers and my work mates have all agreed - its time they were moved on somewhere and were helped to have their lives straightened out.



Like where?

1. Sat outside opposite Budgens on the small area backing Bargain booze.

2. Sat on the park benches near the skate park part, near the Washington.

3. Up and down west st. - out side Bargain Booze, Varsity and Boots Chemists.

and other places in the centre of town.

1. Sat outside opposite Budgens on the small area backing Bargain booze.

2. Sat on the park benches near the skate park part, near the Washington.

3. Up and down west st. - out side Bargain Booze, Varsity and Boots Chemists.

and other places in the centre of town.

I think the question meant "To where should they be moved?" ......

Like where?

To outside the front door of the person who said this:

But to be honest the whingers need to get a life. Theres far more urgent, pressing issues that need confronting locally than a few stoners looking scruffy

When they're on his doorstep every day perhaps he'll think differently.

The question meant where should these people be moved to to 'get their lives straightened out'.

But I'm not really expecting any reasoned answers from nimby's, so dont fret too much about it

Heh heh Twiglet! I actually think it's a bit of an unanswerable one. Ten years ago or so it was all in the (old) Peace Gardens. Then they went on to Barker's Pool (though a few were Shackleton-like and ventured away as far as Fitzalan Square for a short time), before arriving at Dev Green. If they are moved on from there they'll just find another place to go.

I have no idea what the solution is, but I sure as hell know that just moving them on has a net solution of nothing. Hassle moved from one place + hassle created elsewhere = nothing

I'm sure social services have tried their best and also charities (I believe many of these folk reside in the Salvation Army hostel at the junctions near the foot of the moor).

Other than that - search me. I don't have the answers. I just stated that I think its an unattractive side to the city, and I wish they weren't there.

Thats my point. There isnt anywhere really that you can move them onto. Specialist services that in theory should exist, either dont or are oversubscribed. The police could in theory, hand out a whole bundle of ASBOs if the behaviour is over-the-top, or do the whole zero-tolerance thing. Both options take loadsa resources up. Moving them on just takes the same problem elsewhere. I'm not convinced there actually is a solution

Thats my point. There isnt anywhere really that you can move them onto. Specialist services that in theory should exist, either dont or are oversubscribed. The police could in theory, hand out a whole bundle of ASBOs if the behaviour is over-the-top, or do the whole zero-tolerance thing. Both options take loadsa resources up. Moving them on just takes the same problem elsewhere. I'm not convinced there actually is a solution

Agreed in full.

The question meant where should these people be moved to to 'get their lives straightened out'.

But I'm not really expecting any reasoned answers from nimby's, so dont fret too much about it

I'm not a nimby, sorry it was just a lighthearted comment aimed at those who seem to think we're whinging but would do the same if they were having to compete for what equates to be their front garden with drunks and drug addicts, 24 hours a day. I wasn't referring to the alcoholic homeless and others who need to straighten their lives out when I had my little rant. The people I'm talking about have their own homes or pubs to get drunk and socialise in, but they choose to do it in an area that would otherwise be a nice place for people to take their children to or have their lunch in, and also choose to deposit all their rubbish there and insult the people who do like to use it.

perhaps we should ban the sale of alcohol for removal from the premises at which they were purchased.
that way gt news(allegedly) would have to allw them sanctuary whilst they drunk the cheapo wine.

Assuming Devonshire Green is not were you live...would you rather them congrgate at Deveonshire Green or in your neighbourhood.

I was under the impression that you weren't allowed to drink alcohol on the street/public areas. Am I just imagining that?

Yes your right, although the amount of times ive seen police go up to people drinking around town and saying "go on, up to devonshire green mate, you'll be fine there" makes me start to think differently.

you know the police make up the rules as they go along . . .. :loopy:

I feel we're really losing out in the tramp beer sector. More special brew!"

I mean, really...

what would be special about special brew is if a can was ever drunk inside a property or that a can would be bought with something more than loose change :hihi:

Have any of you been to Devvy Green recently - it's been looking pretty good for about the last two months now. Looks to me like the "no drinking" policy has paid off and that the cops have enforced it well. I doubt very much that they send people up there to drink - surely that would only increase the amount of people moaning about it and the Green is within the no drinking zone?!