http://www.swfc.co.uk/page/News/0,,10304~2012645,00.html

The origianl thread has been closed but just thought I'd let you all know that the hooligans who were arrested for violent disorder on Wed March 31st have been banned from attending Sheffield Wednesday matches for life

Well done Wednesday we don't want these people anywhere near Sheffield Wednesday FC

yes well done. we don't need 'fans' like that around our club

every club has them, its an ongoing battle through out foorball

But surely the club are just reacting to the media hype, this incident was not football related, they had been to the races and they had been drinking, and while not condoning their actions, it is the media who have called them 'Owls thugs'. If football clubs are going to get their name dragged into every incident like this where will it end ? There are people who have been in punch ups attending every football match in the country, including many of the players !

, this incident was not football related, !

The fact they attacked them because they were leeds united fans would suggest different.

But I do agree with you that this is not something they should be banned from football for. Had they been at a game and done it then yes, they should. But they weren't.

The fact they attacked them because they were leeds united fans would suggest different.

But I do agree with you that this is not something they should be banned from football for. Had they been at a game and done it then yes, they should. But they weren't.

They have been banned from Hillsborough but are able to attend other football matches i assume

The whole reason they attacked the other group (apart from being morons) was because of the football club they supported and the football club the other group supported, I for one dont want people like this associated with my club

Well done SWFC

But surely the club are just reacting to the media hype, this incident was not football related, they had been to the races and they had been drinking, and while not condoning their actions, it is the media who have called them 'Owls thugs'. If football clubs are going to get their name dragged into every incident like this where will it end ? There are people who have been in punch ups attending every football match in the country, including many of the players !

i can see your point, it's a tricky one. i wouldn't class what they did as just a punch up though if the report was accurate. maybe it is harsh being banned from the club but if they can do that when not attending a match i'd hate to think what they would be capable of doing with a few fans goading them, maybe thats part of what the club was thinking.

i can see your point, it's a tricky one. i wouldn't class what they did as just a punch up though if the report was accurate. maybe it is harsh being banned from the club but if they can do that when not attending a match i'd hate to think what they would be capable of doing with a few fans goading them, maybe thats part of what the club was thinking.

Can someone explain to me how the club will enforce this lifetime ban? :confused:

Can someone explain to me how the club will enforce this lifetime ban? :confused:they will recieve a letter from swfc saying theyre not allowed in & there mugshots will be passed to the police ground control room so if they appear on any cctv images in the ground they can be ejected or arrested & charged as swfc & the police see fit, swfc will probably notify the f.a but wether the f.a can make further banning orders on them for other grounds im not sure

Can someone explain to me how the club will enforce this lifetime ban? :confused:

when they go and buy a ticket they will obviously use their real names so then the club will know it's them;), doubt anyone has ever used a fake name to buy any tickets so that wouldn't happen. don't know how they stop them other than that though. pictures of them would be used aswell i guess, the prison terms will do the clubs work for the time being anyway

when they go and buy a ticket they will obviously use their real names so then the club will know it's them;), doubt anyone has ever used a fake name to buy any tickets so that wouldn't happen. don't know how they stop them other than that though. pictures of them would be used aswell i guess, the prison terms will do the clubs work for the time being anywaythe ticket system is well flawed, i know many people who use false aliases to purchase tickets, some of them have previously been banned & dont like the club knowing theyre going to certain matches & being on the police radar so to speak

they will recieve a letter from swfc saying theyre not allowed in & there mugshots will be passed to the police ground control room so if they appear on any cctv images in the ground they can be ejected or arrested & charged as swfc & the police see fit, swfc will probably notify the f.a but wether the f.a can make further banning orders on them for other grounds im not sure

If Elvis had a lifetime ban and appeared in his full regalia, I doubt that anyone would notice, theoretical of course, but are you saying that they would be immediately recognised? :confused:

http://www.swfc.co.uk/page/News/0,,10304~2012645,00.html

The origianl thread has been closed but just thought I'd let you all know that the hooligans who were arrested for violent disorder on Wed March 31st have been banned from attending Sheffield Wednesday matches for life

Well done Wednesday we don't want these people anywhere near Sheffield Wednesday FC


so what about those convicted of hooliganism...many years ago shall we slap banning orders on them....

If Elvis had a lifetime ban and appeared in his full regalia, I doubt that anyone would notice, theoretical of course, but are you saying that they would be immediately recognised? :confused:no, im saying "if" they are recognised once in the ground be it by police or swfc staff then further action can be taken against them.

so what about those convicted of hooliganism...many years ago shall we slap banning orders on them....some of them are "reformed" characters arnt they:hihi:

I am absolutely delighted at the sentences handed down to them. In all honesty, I'd paid little attention to the case and written it off as another incidence of thug-on-thug football violence. Having now looked into it, it's a horrendous and disgraceful act of gang violence by each of the men involved and it absolutely brings shame on the club to think we have these people 'supporting' our club.

The banning orders aren't imposed for violence in-and-around the ground. The purpose of them is to dissuade anyone from engaging in acts of football-related violence. The very essence of this altercation - that the innocent victims were supporters of Leeds United - indicates it was football-related. Regardless of the venue of the attack, it falls under the remit of football banning orders.

no, im saying "if" they are recognised once in the ground be it by police or swfc staff then further action can be taken against them.

The only way the ban could be enforced is if it was passed by a court of law. They would then have to report to the police when a SWFC match was to be played, and retained until it had concluded. I have visions of 85 year olds still turning up at police stations prior to matches.

The only way the ban could be enforced is if it was passed by a court of law. They would then have to report to the police when a SWFC match was to be played, and retained until it had concluded. I have visions of 85 year olds still turning up at police stations prior to matches.but it doesnt have to be passed by a court of law, swfc can pick & choose who they do & dont want on there premises & if the worst came to the worst for the sake of arguments then the police would take them all to court on behalf of swfc like they did with a certain individual who i wont name, who appeared on a chat show saying it was his right to fight with whichever fan he wanted. he was issued with another ban via swfc & sypd which was also sanctioned by the f.a

some of them are "reformed" characters arnt they:hihi:


we all do stupid things in our youth...but a life ban...did they sell drugs or rob an old women no...they had a fight..and should have got 18 months tops...but put football infront and its 4 years while the kiddy fiddler gets only 5....no wonder the courts are a laughing stock..

we all do stupid things in our youth...but a life ban...did they sell drugs or rob an old women no...they had a fight..and should have got 18 months tops...but put football infront and its 4 years while the kiddy fiddler gets only 5....no wonder the courts are a laughing stock..well put EB:thumbsup:

we all do stupid things in our youth...but a life ban...did they sell drugs or rob an old women no...they had a fight..and should have got 18 months tops...but put football infront and its 4 years while the kiddy fiddler gets only 5....no wonder the courts are a laughing stock..

The harshness of the sentence will undoubtedly have taken into account the media's opinion of the crime but the justice system has to be seen to do justice and must make Britain feel like a safer place. These sentences demonstrate to anyone so inclined that indiscriminate and prolonged violence on innocent people is not to be tolerated. Twelve men were there terrorising that train. It's a despicable act.

I have my grievances about sentencing with regard to other crimes but here, this is justified. Accepted, we all do stupid things in our youth. One man here was 37 and several others were out of their teenage years. Not to mention the fact that my "stupid things" never entailed stamping on an innocent man's head.

The harshness of the sentence will undoubtedly have taken into account the media's opinion of the crime but the justice system has to be seen to do justice and must make Britain feel like a safer place. These sentences demonstrate to anyone so inclined that indiscriminate and prolonged violence on innocent people is not to be tolerated. Twelve men were there terrorising that train. It's a despicable act.

I have my grievances about sentencing with regard to other crimes but here, this is justified. Accepted, we all do stupid things in our youth. One man here was 37 and several others were out of their teenage years. Not to mention the fact that my "stupid things" never entailed stamping on an innocent man's head.


apart from the 37 year old they look like kids to me...and ok if 4 years is right..then burgalars/car thiefs get 10...nonses get 20...and killers hang...now thats what i call justice...

apart from the 37 year old they look like kids to me...and ok if 4 years is right..then burgalars/car thiefs get 10...nonses get 20...and killers hang...now thats what i call justice...

I dare say, in this day and age, lads of 20 and 22 aren't anywhere near "kids" and, furthermore, that those knocking about with known "risk fans" to quote SYP certainly aren't in any regard 'child-like'. Certainly didn't fight like children, did they?

Why is burglary a more serious offence? And is 25 years not sufficient enough 'punishment' for murderers? Furthermore, many paedophiles do get sentences up to 15 and 20 years, in which case your idea of justice is being realised in the courts.

Unless, of course, you subscribe to the Daily Mail, in which case you'll no doubt think that every murderer is out on remand in 6 months, every burglar runs free and paedophiles are given houses close to schools.

I dare say, in this day and age, lads of 20 and 22 aren't anywhere near "kids" and, furthermore, that those knocking about with known "risk fans" to quote SYP certainly aren't in any regard 'child-like'. Certainly didn't fight like children, did they?

Why is burglary a more serious offence? And is 25 years not sufficient enough 'punishment' for murderers? Furthermore, many paedophiles do get sentences up to 15 and 20 years, in which case your idea of justice is being realised in the courts.

Unless, of course, you subscribe to the Daily Mail, in which case you'll no doubt think that every murderer is out on remand in 6 months, every burglar runs free and paedophiles are given houses close to schools.

never read the mail in my life....my mum and dad were robbed...you been robbed....and killers should never get out...not including manslaughter...so we wont hang the killers....but can we just string up the likes of huntley/whiting...please

never read the mail in my life....my mum and dad were robbed...you been robbed....and killers should never get out...not including manslaughter...so we wont hang the killers....but can we just string up the likes of huntley/whiting...please

I read burglary in your first post, not robbery. Robbery carries far more severe penalties as it invariably involves either violence, or the threat thereof, against the person.

It will be a very, very long time before people like Ian Huntley are released. For thirty-plus years, he will remain locked up for twenty hours a day and constantly feel under threat of attack from fellow inmates - as we saw the other day when his neck was slashed. To me, that is a life hardly worth living and I'm glad he has to live like that for the remainder of his functioning life.

I dare say, in this day and age, lads of 20 and 22 aren't anywhere near "kids" and, furthermore, that those knocking about with known "risk fans" to quote SYP certainly aren't in any regard 'child-like'. Certainly didn't fight like children, did they?

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Did you see the smallest one that tagged on to the end of the queue, very brave, I would liked to have been a fly on the wall in the pub when he was telling his story.

Owls & Blades fans have been having regular punch-ups in Town every Friday & Saturday night for donkey's years. Can't recall anyone ever being banned from attending matches as a result.

you dont **** about on planes & trains end of , i thought evry lad new trains were camerad up

this thread has no place on a football forum and should be deleleted its just sensationlising thugs and voyers nowt to do wiv wednesday or the club or football. get rid

http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/SICKENING-Mum39s-fury-after-drink.6201501.jp

says it all about this serious effed up country. If Stafford chooses to ban these lads then no one should listen to his claptrap regarding the sale of tickets anymore.

http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/SICKENING-Mum39s-fury-after-drink.6201501.jp

no one should listen to his claptrap regarding the sale of tickets anymore.

what do you mean anymore? looking at the sea of empty blue seats on match days i think its safe to say his begging has fallen on deaf ears

:hihi::hihi::hihi::hihi:

this thread has no place on a football forum and should be deleleted its just sensationlising thugs and voyers nowt to do wiv wednesday or the club or football. get rid

it has everything to do with wednesday as they've banned them from hillsborough, very football related now, but i guess wednesday have almost made it their business

this thread has no place on a football forum and should be deleleted its just sensationlising thugs and voyers nowt to do wiv wednesday or the club or football. get rid

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Well said.

yes well done. we don't need 'fans' like that around our club

If any club banned every fan for doing something wrong that was not connected with football the ground would be empty on matchdays.

If any club banned every fan for doing something wrong that was not connected with football the ground would be empty on matchdays.

How is Wednesday fans picking out and then attacking Leeds fans nothing to do with football?

How is Wednesday fans picking out and then attacking Leeds fans nothing to do with football?

How many on a train from York and Garforth during July would have been travelling to or from a football match?

Besides the article states "As a club we will do whatever we can to assist the police in ensuring that these people do not pose a threat to public safety.". Thought that was the job of the Prison Service whose statement of purpose is "Her Majesty's Prison Service serves the public by keeping in custody those committed by the courts. Our duty is to look after them with humanity and help them lead law-abiding and useful lives in custody and after release.". If the club really want to do the job of the prison service then the stadium at Hillsborough should become a jail instead.

If the club really want to do the job of the prison service then the stadium at Hillsborough should become a jail instead.

The club isn’t doing their job they are simply saying they don’t want to be associated with them hence the ban.

How is Wednesday fans picking out and then attacking Leeds fans nothing to do with football?

It is a strange precedent to set though, what if this had happened in a holiday resort abroad, I have known such incidents occur, incidents on non match days and nowhere near a match venue, there is potential for a lot of 'so called' fans being banned for similar incidents now, if the police or media decide to label the incidents as football related.

They got what they deserved, there were women and children cowering on the carriages while these little hard men started their unprovoked attack.

Be interesting to see how many fans get banned from stadiums nationwide when anything kicks off during the world cup on the streets of England.

It is a strange precedent to set though, .

Each case would be judged on its merits but you cant get a much clearer case than this one.

Stop skirting around this subject, this wasnt even a proper fight 12 against 5 on a train, Big hards lads not,women and children on the train very clever not, see how hard you are in prison boys with the proper mesters.

If any club banned every fan for doing something wrong that was not connected with football the ground would be empty on matchdays.

if you read a couple of posts down i have said maybe it is abit harsh but this wasn't just a little punch up from what has been reported, they attacked however many leeds fans who were sitting down minding their own buisiness and gave them a good kicking, even chasing them down the train. like has been said it didn't happen on a matchday or near the ground so i'm not sure how correct it is to ban them for life though

The club isn’t doing their job they are simply saying they don’t want to be associated with them hence the ban.

But the statement by the club's spokesman implies that the club is trying to do the Prison Service's job.

there were women and children cowering on the carriages while these little hard men started their unprovoked attack.

Is this is a statement from a witness on the train in question?

Be interesting to see how many fans get banned from stadiums nationwide when anything kicks off during the world cup on the streets of England.

So the World Cup is coming then ?
Wouldn't count on it PX

this thread has no place on a football forum and should be deleleted its just sensationlising thugs and voyers nowt to do wiv wednesday or the club or football. get rid

Spot on, it was a knee jerk reaction by SWFC, it had nothing to do with the club, and the lifetime bans are virtually impossible to enforce. The police and the justice system have been seen to do their respective jobs well, case over.

appears some wednesdayites were fundraising for them at qpr yesterday....

appears some wednesdayites were fundraising for them at qpr yesterday....

Free the Wednesday 12 tin rattling on Fargate anyone.

They have been banned from Hillsborough but are able to attend other football matches i assume

The whole reason they attacked the other group (apart from being morons) was because of the football club they supported and the football club the other group supported, I for one dont want people like this associated with my club

Well done SWFC

I think we all know that the reason they attacked the other group is that they outnumbered them two to one. That's the mentality of football holligans, no matter which club they "support", most of them would run a mile if they had to face somebody one on one.

To be quite honest, I'm bemused at the people sticking up for them.

Whether it's right or wrong that they've been banned. Isn't this a good thing? Do you really want these vicious people at the Owls games?

Wednesday don't want football violence at their club, banning these 'fans' is a move to protect this.

If they can do this on a non-football day, imagine what is plausible on a matchday when there is more of them.

To be quite honest, I'm bemused at the people sticking up for them.

Whether it's right or wrong that they've been banned. Isn't this a good thing? Do you really want these vicious people at the Owls games?

Wednesday don't want football violence at their club, banning these 'fans' is a move to protect this.

If they can do this on a non-football day, imagine what is plausible on a matchday when there is more of them.

i guess the bold was a big part of how the club was thinking

To be quite honest, I'm bemused at the people sticking up for them.

Whether it's right or wrong that they've been banned. Isn't this a good thing? Do you really want these vicious people at the Owls games?

Wednesday don't want football violence at their club, banning these 'fans' is a move to protect this.

If they can do this on a non-football day, imagine what is plausible on a matchday when there is more of them.

Who's sticking up for them? Justice was done, SWFC or any other club for that matter, would find it very difficult to enforce a lifetime ban. Sure, I don't want them anywhere near Hilsborough, but SWFC should have thought this one out before jumping into PC mode.

Is this is a statement from a witness on the train in question?

http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/Sheffield-Wednesday-hooligans39-brutal-onslaught.6196678.jp
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"As passengers fled in horror, blood was spattered across three carriages during a 10-minute brawl"
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"Blows were being traded, people had to flee, some were trapped in their places. Many female passengers were in tears and children were traumatised. I've had a letter from a seven-year-old girl who was fearful her mother might be hurt"
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"The brawl was captured on CCTV. Footage showed the thugs chasing the men down the train and punching, kicking and stamping on them as passengers cowered in their seats.

Train host Kenneth Barlow, who bravely pushed his trolley into the aisle between the two groups, described passengers looking "frightened to death"."
Enough?

Admin please close this thread, it has nowhere to go, other than in the worst direction.

Admin please close this thread, it has nowhere to go, other than in the worst direction.

Remember this when you start spouting your anti Blade hollier than thou attitude that its every one but wednesday who have animals like them
If it was us then every post of yours would be about it

Its not an anti wednesday or anti Blade post but almost all against ban are wednesday

Remember this when you start spouting your anti Blade hollier than thou attitude that its every one but wednesday who have animals like them
If it was us then every post of yours would be about it

Its not an anti wednesday or anti Blade post but almost all against ban are wednesday

i'm sure there have been some blades that have questioned whether the club should of banned them, not mostly wednesday and not one wednesday fan has condoned what they did or ever said it's only utd that have idiots/yobs that shouldn't be at football.
i agree this post isn't really going anywhere now though

Who's sticking up for them?

By saying they shouldn't be banned from games, I would consider that sticking up for them in this circumstance...

i'm sure there have been some blades that have questioned whether the club should of banned them, not mostly wednesday and not one wednesday fan has condoned what they did or ever said it's only utd that have idiots/yobs that shouldn't be at football.
i agree this post isn't really going anywhere now though

Imo it doesn't matter what we think the club must believe that this is the correct route to take and there are no difference whether its SWFC or the local take away if they don't want you in their premises they have every right to ban you for as long as they wish and as you agree with a quote by Robbie it seems that you do to the reason he surmised why they did it

May I just make a few quotes
Scoobs
Well done Wednesday we don't want these people anywhere near Sheffield Wednesday FC
You
yes well done. we don't need 'fans' like that around our club
Scoobs again
The whole reason they attacked the other group (apart from being morons) was because of the football club they supported and the football club the other group supported, I for one dont want people like this associated with my club
Well done SWFC
You again
maybe it is harsh being banned from the club but if they can do that when not attending a match i'd hate to think what they would be capable of doing with a few fans goading them, maybe thats part of what the club was thinking.
Mafya
They got what they deserved, there were women and children cowering on the carriages while these little hard men started their unprovoked attack.

or
Michael w
this incident was not football related
Misingdapoin
nowt to do wiv wednesday or the club or football
PXowl
If Stafford chooses to ban these lads then no one should listen to his claptrap regarding the sale of tickets anymore
and crooksey himself
it had nothing to do with the club
as you can see not every wednesday fan has vilified them some don't even think they should be banned for it
A friend of ours has been banned from the Lane for 'racist' comments supposedly made to one of our players
The thing about that is they sit directly behind some Asian fans who (on their own bat) said both to the stewards and in writing to the Lane that she had never made racist comments
But she's still banned

http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/Sheffield-Wednesday-hooligans39-brutal-onslaught.6196678.jp

"The brawl was captured on CCTV. Footage showed the thugs chasing the men down the train and punching, kicking and stamping on them as passengers cowered in their seats.


The film shows a number of individuals that I cannot identify as supporters of any football club, let alone being supporters of Sheffield Wednesday as the report claims. And this begs the question if they were drunk (which I thought was supposed to be against railway byelaws) why didn't the BTP at York escort them from the railway before they boarded the train.

why didn't the BTP at York escort them from the railway before they boarded the train.

Have you ever been on a train on match day or when there is a race meeting / rugby match?

The film shows a number of individuals that I cannot identify as supporters of any football club, let alone being supporters of Sheffield Wednesday as the report claims.

Fair enough, but the court wasn't relying on your evidence was it?

Have you ever been on a train on match day or when there is a race meeting / rugby match?

Have been plenty of times - and there always been a heavy presence of BTP officers. Anyone who has seen their team play at the ground of the one I support and travelled by train will know this. A few of other trips I have been returning home from non sports events which require me to travel on the east coast route (usually between Peterborough and Donny) which at the time is packed with football supporters of various clubs and several BTP officers tend to be also on board. I wonder if BTP officers based at York are half asleep because they seemed to fail to notice a group of consideable size supposedly known to their colleagues and also supposedly drunk walking about the station.

Have been plenty of times - and there always been a heavy presence of BTP officers. Anyone who has seen their team play at the ground of the one I support and travelled by train will know this. A few of other trips I have been returning home from non sports events which require me to travel on the east coast route (usually between Peterborough and Donny) which at the time is packed with football supporters of various clubs and several BTP officers tend to also on board.

I have travelled all over the country and BTP are very few and far between.

why didn't the BTP at York escort them from the railway before they boarded the train.

Perhaps there was a great presence there?

I've never been turned down to board a train when being slightly drunk, lets call it.

Without exaggerating there was at least 150 police in white city, it was totally over the top if you ask me.
Maybe some of them could help out on the railways as it seems that its getting more and more common on the trains.

I've never been turned down to board a train when being slightly drunk, lets call it.

Usually they pile them on the train just to get them out of the way, someone elses problem then.

The film shows a number of individuals that I cannot identify as supporters of any football club, let alone being supporters of Sheffield Wednesday as the report claims. And this begs the question if they were drunk (which I thought was supposed to be against railway byelaws) why didn't the BTP at York escort them from the railway before they boarded the train.

Lets try a couple of quotes
1)..A number of passengers on the train were able to recall that they were making reference to football affiliation and hatred of Leeds United fans.

2)..or more importantly
"Mullen, Jones and Ardron were identified by South Yorkshire Police football intelligence officers because they were "risk supporters" of Sheffield Wednesday.

The court heard all the men had either previous convictions or fixed penalty notices for drunken or violent behaviour.":rolleyes:

Lets try a couple of quotes
1)..A number of passengers on the train were able to recall that they were making reference to football affiliation and hatred of Leeds United fans.

2)..or more importantly
"Mullen, Jones and Ardron were identified by South Yorkshire Police football intelligence officers because they were "risk supporters" of Sheffield Wednesday.

The court heard all the men had either previous convictions or fixed penalty notices for drunken or violent behaviour.":rolleyes:

Quotes in a newspaper that is known to be inaccurate (as there have been many posts elsewhere on this forum)?

Quotes in a newspaper that is known to be inaccurate (as there have been many posts elsewhere on this forum)?

Any particular reason as to why you are trying to rubbish the case in hand?

Any particular reason as to why you are trying to rubbish the case in hand?

A relative of benny??

Remember this when you start spouting your anti Blade hollier than thou attitude that its every one but wednesday who have animals like them
If it was us then every post of yours would be about it

Its not an anti wednesday or anti Blade post but almost all against ban are wednesday

Please quote my post where you say that "it's everyone but wednesday who have animals like them".

You will be hard pressed to find it, as it doesn't exist, but you never did let the truth get in the way of a snipe at me, did you? ;)

Please quote my post where you say that "it's everyone but wednesday who have animals like them".

You will be hard pressed to find it, as it doesn't exist, but you never did let the truth get in the way of a snipe at me, did you? ;)

Its the same post where you swore blind that I'd called wednesday Pigs
But then again you've never let the truth get in the way of a lie have you

Its the same post where you swore blind that I'd called wednesday Pigs
But then again you've never let the truth get in the way of a lie have you

Bring it up on a quote then, your last sentence is very childish, by the way. But of course it's you who thinks that going to derbies at hillsborough gives you superior forum rights.

These lot were supposedly known to South Yorkshire footie cops as being dangerous.
These lot were supposedly attending a sporting event with large numbers of people.
These lot were supposedly drunk enough to be chucked out of pubs.
These lot were supposedly still drunk when on York Station, thus falling foul of railway byelaw. Surely BTP officers at the York office must have been suspicious of such a group on their patch. Even more so if they had bothered to be using cctv and facial recognition software
These lot boarded a Transpennine Express train (the interior of the train shown in the film appears to be this). A film which doesn't prove that they are Sheffield Wednesday supporters, given there is no apparent audio and the individuals are not wearing football shirts, scarves, etc.
These lot supposedly board the 15.50 departure from York to Manchester Airport. This train calls at Leeds and therefore likely to have some Leeds supporters on it. This could suggest that could have been looking for trouble.

IMO the police could have done more to prevent this incident.

Come on you are clutching at straws now.

These lot were supposedly known to South Yorkshire footie cops as being dangerous.

Correct.

These lot were supposedly attending a sporting event with large numbers of people.

Correct.

These lot were supposedly drunk enough to be chucked out of pubs.

You're going on a statement in a paper that you, yourself has said has been known to publish 'inaccurate information' so why would you back your arguement up with this?

These lot were supposedly still drunk when on York Station, thus falling foul of railway byelaw.

When large numbers are at a train station, it would be hard to check each person for being drunk, and while it may be against its 'byelaw', it's certainly hard to enforce.
Just like it is against the law to be drunk in a public place.

Surely BTP officers at the York office must have been suspicious of such a group on their patch.

A group of men catching a train? Mixed with 100's of others?

Even more so if they had bothered to be using cctv and facial recognition software.

Facial recognition software is all very well, but what faces would they be looking for?

Would you say that these people are the only ones who would have been known as 'risk people' in the station?

Were there faces inputted already into this system?

Is this system actually readily made available for at this location?

These lot boarded a Transpennine Express train (the interior of the train shown in the film appears to be this). A film which doesn't prove that they are Sheffield Wednesday supporters, given there is no apparent audio and the individuals are not wearing football shirts, scarves, etc.

The judges quote of 'It boils down to the fact you were Sheffield Wednesday supporters and you collectively had a dislike of, if not hatred for, Leeds United supporters and they were your immediate victims.'

I think that is pretty much conclusive

These lot supposedly board the 15.50 departure from York to Manchester Airport. This train calls at Leeds and therefore likely to have some Leeds supporters on it. This could suggest that could have been looking for trouble.

IMO the police could have done more to prevent this incident.

The police could have done more but that's true in a lot of instances. How were they to know that this would turn into a scene of violence?

Bring it up on a quote then, your last sentence is very childish, by the way. But of course it's you who thinks that going to derbies at hillsborough gives you superior forum rights.

You know for a fact that the posts have been removed so I cant bring up a link But you're the one who thinks its ok to insist that everyone but you are in the WRONG
No where have I said that going to derbies anywhere gives anyone forum rights all I said was I'd have thought as such a 'big' fan you'd have tried to get to more than 1 or 2 games at the lane as not so big a fan as you I've been to all the games in the last 30-40ish years
In your words bring on a quote then

You're going on a statement in a paper that you, yourself has said has been known to publish 'inaccurate information' so why would you back your arguement up with this?

Note my use of 'supposedly' where my comments purely related to statements in the paper were put forth as being probably being true on inconclusive grounds.


When large numbers are at a train station, it would be hard to check each person for being drunk, and while it may be against its 'byelaw', it's certainly hard to enforce.

I think a group of 10 to 12 people all having some common connection should arouse suspicions. It also seems a bit odd (although a permitted route) for this group attempting to travel via (and presumably changing at) Leeds rather than a direct train or changing at Donny.


Were there faces inputted already into this system?


Given that all the men had supposedly either previous convictions or fixed penalty notices for drunken or violent behaviour then their faces will be very much on the system. Usually this is as a result of their photos being taken early on i.e when they were charged or arrested.


Is this system actually readily made available for at this location?


Don't think they are much of a police force when with all the modern communication tools available they cannot get (at least indirect) access to the PNC.


The judges quote of 'It boils down to the fact you were Sheffield Wednesday supporters and you collectively had a dislike of, if not hatred for, Leeds United supporters and they were your immediate victims.'

I think that is pretty much conclusive


Supposedly Sheffield Wednesday supporters who supposedly had a dislike of, if not hatred for, those whom are supposedly Leeds United supporters. Still a statement in a newspaper known to be inaccurate at times that is probably true on inconclusive grounds.


The police could have done more but that's true in a lot of instances. How were they to know that this would turn into a scene of violence?

Could of known that on the balance of probability that individuals reputed to support Sheffield Wednesday, reputed to hate Leeds supporters, reputed to have caused trouble before, and were drunk boarding a train booked to call at Leeds (likely not on their expected route home) and having passengers getting off at Leeds, some of which are likely to be Leeds supporters. All of which are the ingredients for a very likely recipe for disaster.

CheekyBandit, you're wasted in any occupation other than as a judge. A terrible judge, mind, but a judge nonetheless.

This was nothing but a Wednesday bashing thread from the start.
It was deleted once, then reinstated because a Blade leaned on an ass mod who bowed to the pressure.
Now we've established that all Wednesday fans are phsychotic violent morons, and all Blades are sweet little Angels, maybe this whole thing can be deleted?
Not closed............................. deleted.
Nowt to do with football, and nowt to do with SWFC.
Peter Sutcliffe probably supported Bradford City.
What do you propose we do about that?

This was nothing but a Wednesday bashing thread from the start.
It was deleted once, then reinstated because a Blade leaned on an ass mod who bowed to the pressure.
Now we've established that all Wednesday fans are phsychotic violent morons, and all Blades are sweet little Angels, maybe this whole thing can be deleted?
Not closed............................. deleted.
Nowt to do with football, and nowt to do with SWFC.
Peter Sutcliffe probably supported Bradford City.
What do you propose we do about that?

I thought he was a Leeds supporter?

This was nothing but a Wednesday bashing thread from the start.
It was deleted once, then reinstated because a Blade leaned on an ass mod who bowed to the pressure.

Ooops I can see another post going in the bin. :shakes:

http://www.swfc.co.uk/page/News/0,,10304~2012645,00.html

The origianl thread has been closed but just thought I'd let you all know that the hooligans who were arrested for violent disorder on Wed March 31st have been banned from attending Sheffield Wednesday matches for life

Well done Wednesday we don't want these people anywhere near Sheffield Wednesday FC

This was nothing but a Wednesday bashing thread from the start.

Scoobs how dare you start a wednesday bashing thread:hihi::hihi:
Looking at all the posts not 1 of them from the Blades is an anti wednesday posts just about every one from us support the stand wednesday took and the only 'anti' comments are anti hooligan:huh:

They have been banned from Hillsborough but are able to attend other football matches i assume

The whole reason they attacked the other group (apart from being morons) was because of the football club they supported and the football club the other group supported, I for one dont want people like this associated with my club

Well done SWFC

I agree with this post completely. It about sums it up for me. It's a disgrace what those men did



I am absolutely delighted at the sentences handed down to them. In all honesty, I'd paid little attention to the case and written it off as another incidence of thug-on-thug football violence. Having now looked into it, it's a horrendous and disgraceful act of gang violence by each of the men involved and it absolutely brings shame on the club to think we have these people 'supporting' our club.

The banning orders aren't imposed for violence in-and-around the ground. The purpose of them is to dissuade anyone from engaging in acts of football-related violence. The very essence of this altercation - that the innocent victims were supporters of Leeds United - indicates it was football-related. Regardless of the venue of the attack, it falls under the remit of football banning orders.

I had seen it in passing in the news, but not paid too much attention until someone showed me a link to the video footage. I was shocked.

apart from the 37 year old they look like kids to me...and ok if 4 years is right..then burgalars/car thiefs get 10...nonses get 20...and killers hang...now thats what i call justice...

If you watch the video footage, you can clearly see the Leeds fans were attacked by the other men through no fault of their own. It was an unprovoked attack.


To be quite honest, I'm bemused at the people sticking up for them.

Whether it's right or wrong that they've been banned. Isn't this a good thing? Do you really want these vicious people at the Owls games?

Wednesday don't want football violence at their club, banning these 'fans' is a move to protect this.

If they can do this on a non-football day, imagine what is plausible on a matchday when there is more of them.

I was about to say the same until I saw your post.
I think they did the right thing banning them, and anyone who has sympathy for the length of time the attackers got must be mad, and in my eyes clearly advocate football violence. This wasn't a case of two groups of fans having a punch up. This was a drunken attack .


I recently watched the video footage and thought I recognised one of the men as being my ex's brother. I read the news report and I was right. I was disgusted, but not shocked. It was years back when I went out with his brother, and the attacker in question was only young back then, but even then he liked the fighting part of football. As the years have gone on, I have heard through other people of his escapades, and seen content of said attackers social networking sites profiles, and he has bragged bout taking drugs, getting drunk and fighting with football fans. From what I have seen of him he had the mentality to end up doing something like this, and it wasn't as if it was unknown to people.


They all deserve every day in prison they got.

Not seen much of the footage to be honest, but i reckon there will be a few doors getting booted through in the next fortnight or so with the titbits ive managed to watch.

absolutely nothing to do with Football, just some idiots who supported SWFC ending up fighting with Leeds United Fans, Some of the lads were locked up because they were self defending themselves and had walked away, but still got hit, the ones that started it and who were fighting, deserve all that they got, some of the lads are out now I understand.