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DUNKS
03-01-2004, 19:43
Working on my family tree and like if pos to add pictures . Have a photo of house my Grt Grt Grandfather was born (1854 ) but cannot find one of the place my mother was born , LOCAL FIELDS ,149 Attercliffe Road . Have tried Sheffield Libary , and the Lost Sheffield pubs site . Also bought books , like A Pub On Every Corner, but cannot find it . Can anyone out there HELP !!!

max
03-01-2004, 23:36
Hi, welcome to the forum. Try looking on this thread as it has a link to a lost Sheffield pubs site:

Sheffield's lost pubs thread (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5333&highlight=pubs)

Tony
04-01-2004, 09:33
Pubs have always changed name depending on the fashion of the time - it's not a new thing. It may also have been something else before or after being a pub.

Maybe you should work back from the address rather than the pub name? The Local Studies Library in the Central Library will have all the business directories from the time and you should be able to get a little closer. There are also the old OS maps of Sheffield - ISTR one drawn up around 1861. That might be useful too.

According to my current map, number 149 fronts an area that we call Salmon Pastures. There is a petrol station (closed down?) on it now opposite the big steelworks/ special metals office building (I forget the name).

DUNKS
04-01-2004, 19:20
Thanks Max & Tony for your replys . The LOCAL FIELDS was situated just before the railway bridge ( wrongly called by some as norfolk bridge ) as you look up Attercliffe Road from the Wicker, and was set back further than other buildings around it ,one of the doors leading out onto princess street . As a matter of interest my mother was born there 74yrs ago today 04.01.04.

kingfisher
09-01-2004, 15:06
The Local Fields was near to Norflk Bridge and stood back off the road ,closed about 1932,the back door would lead on to Greystock St.I can remember the taproom door in the late 1930,s and had Local Fields written in the glasswork

DUNKS
09-01-2004, 16:30
Hey KINGFISHER , your right ! I thought it exited on to princess street cause my gran said she stepped outside just as Plommer was being killed with a bayonet . ( she actually saw who did it , but my grandad would never let her tell , '' what do you want, a cellar grate through the pub window or worse '' ) She felt guilty about that for the rest of her life . Did you live around there ? Maybe you knew some of my family . I was born at the Norfolk Arms at the other end of Princess Street .

kazisindahouse
10-01-2004, 22:17
I came across this posting by accident but I'm glad I did.
My gran lived on Princess Street 25 Court 2. She married from there in 1933. Her name was Ella Hinchliffe but she lived with her sister Gwen with a couple by the name of George and Eliza Phillipson. I dont know much about the area, would you know what it was like in the 1930's. I think the Phliipsons moved out around the 1950's but I'm not sure.
I think George worked for the railway.
Which end would 25 court 2 be at, does anyone know. Would it have been the end which came out onto Attercliffe Road or was it the other end please.
Thanks

DUNKS
10-01-2004, 22:52
Hi , Kazisindahouse 25 was at the end that came out on Attercliffe Road . My dad married Elsie Hill nee Ward who either lived 21 or 25, can't remember which . They very likely knew your gran as Elsie lived there from 1908 till about 1965, and my dad was born in Greystock Street . Afraid too late to ask them now . And afraid 1930's is just a little before my time !! What I do remember though (from 1950's to 1960's ) is a long terrance of very neat houses , all with white doorsteps and green shiny door's . Every one was very house proud around there inspite of all the grime from the factorys . As a matter of interest one of the girls in the Human League was born in that terrace , Joanne I think .

kazisindahouse
10-01-2004, 23:00
My gran as I said was there in 1933 when she married and then she moved to Worksop Road where my mum was born in 1934.
Somewhere along the line I related to the Jeffcock name and there was a Dennis Jeffcock who managed the Attercliffe Palais de Danse the Roller Skating Rink just off Attercliffe Road.
Can you remember it. My mothers maiden name by the way was Dewey, she used to work at Banners

Siren
11-01-2004, 15:24
Hi Dunks
Did the identity of the killer ever get passed down to you. My family lived on Greystock St around 1860 their house was pulled down to make way for a new steel works I think.
Siren

DUNKS
11-01-2004, 16:52
Yes I do know '' who dunit '' but dont think I should name names, do you ? Tell you what I'll go half way S.G does that help ? By the way the weapon was never found, every one thinking it got thrown into the don on S.G's get away. But my gran saw that too. Down a cellar grate , a friend of '' his '' seeing as no one said '' look what I've found ''. Have you got your date right ? 1860, only street still intact 1908 when my gran was born .

kazisindahouse
11-01-2004, 18:26
You mentioned your gran was born 1908, when did she move off Princess Street, do you know?

DUNKS
11-01-2004, 19:18
Sorry my Gran was born at The Royal George 167 Greystock Street. Siren said their family's house on Greystock street pulled down 1860 to make way for new steel work's I was just replying to them . Case of wires crossed, shall we start again ? But what you asked could have applied to my Step mum Elsie as she was born on Princess Street in 1908 . YES before anyone get's there calculators out, my Dad was a toyboy before the term was even invented . In fact Elsie went to School with my Gran ! And if you want to be even more confused my dad's mum , my paternal grandmother used to go to the George to babysit my maternal grandmother . Ive got a very confusing family !

Siren
11-01-2004, 19:38
Hi Dunks
Yes I've got the dates right just looked at a birth certificate my Gt Grandfather was born in Greystock St on the 9th August 1861 The house where they lived was replaced by part of Firth Browns or Spear and Jackson, I think Firths had to build new houses, they were sued because a big hammer they used made the houses unsafe. The house your gran lived in was probably one of the new ones. These houses were also damaged by the Sheffield Flood in 1864.
With regard to SG I know who you mean he was always a suspect but no evidence was available, if your gran was right it means two innocent men were hanged, thats sad.
Siren

DUNKS
11-01-2004, 20:37
Hi Siren, Yes it was sad , but going on other things my gran said they should have been hung for something else just didnt get caught . Think grans guilt was more to do with who didnt get hung for it . She said he was a very nasty man . One thing I didnt belive was that the pub she was born at was nicknamed The Flood because the flood waters had filled the cellars that night. Going on your info she was right , AGAIN !

cleanup
01-06-2011, 07:15
Hi Dunks
Yes I've got the dates right just looked at a birth certificate my Gt Grandfather was born in Greystock St on the 9th August 1861 The house where they lived was replaced by part of Firth Browns or Spear and Jackson, I think Firths had to build new houses, they were sued because a big hammer they used made the houses unsafe. The house your gran lived in was probably one of the new ones. These houses were also damaged by the Sheffield Flood in 1864.
With regard to SG I know who you mean he was always a suspect but no evidence was available, if your gran was right it means two innocent men were hanged, thats sad.
Siren

wat murder looked on internet using the clues given cant find a thing any sf's know wat their on about