View Full Version : Park Hill £10m bombshell
It appears that the Labour Council in their wisdom have approved the investment of £10m of taxpayers money to go towards the revamp of Park Hill, see links below: -
http://www.sheffieldtoday.net/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=58&ArticleID=1122889
http://www.sheffieldlibdems.org.uk/news/14.html
Do you agree with the Council, or do you think that the investment is not worth it?
Maybe thats because you live in Rotherham and don't have to look at it! :hihi:
youwhatref 23-08-2005, 18:28 It's money direct from the govt so they may as well get the money otherwise it would go elsewhere although i am aware that the council could spend it elsewhere
The City Council need to balance up whether the 10 million is well spent and what they would get for the flats without the money funded into the area. Only they know the answer!
As for the 10 million being spent elsewhere, where can it go. I am sick of the council ploughing money into areas such as Burngreave, Pitsmoor & Wybourn.
Herbaliser 23-08-2005, 19:04 My optimistic side tells me Park Hill will look great when it's finished and be a complete success. Wishful thinking maybe, but I think there's definitely potential.
alchresearch 23-08-2005, 19:11 I predict it will fail dismally and they will sell it for £1 to a property company who will make a huge profit.
Originally posted by alchresearch
I predict it will fail dismally and they will sell it for £1 to a property company who will make a huge profit.
I second that! When you think that the development will only include 300 social flats i think the concept of 'value for money' has gone out the window.
pete_fcs 23-08-2005, 19:21 i used to live at park hill...was okay for a bit but by the fourth 'n' fifth year it became...er... a bit difficult!
nothing ever got properly maintained or repaired, they were forever waiting for lottery money.
i used to wait for lottery money too, but i still paid my rent before buying a ticket!
click below for my photos of park hill...
http://photobucket.com/albums/b171/sheffieldarchives/park%20hill/
Originally posted by pete_fcs
i used to live at park hill...was okay for a bit but by the fourth 'n' fifth year it became...er... a bit difficult!
nothing ever got properly maintained or repaired, they were forever waiting for lottery money.
i used to wait for lottery money too, but i still paid my rent before buying a ticket!
click below for my photos of park hill...
http://photobucket.com/albums/b171/sheffieldarchives/park%20hill/
great photos
it does seem ironic that Labour are the ones who listed the building so that it could bring money in, yet they are now having to bridge the funding gapp of a private developer!
Are there any artists impressions of what they will look like finished? Are they just cladding the outside, or are they leaving it as it is listed??
WOW :o Pete_fcs, some fantastic photo's there!
I'm not sure about the bidding and allocation process for regeneration money from the Government, but it could well be that the money is made available for this sole project and cannot be transferred to other projects.
Park Hill is listed, it's here to stay. Now, I would rather money be put into improving existing buildings than the council's normal policy of pulling everything down and starting again (again).
If the combination of private sales, private rental and social housing is going to make this development a desirable and pleasant place to live then I fully support it.
Ms Macbeth 23-08-2005, 20:22 If the refurbishment works well I think the flats will be popular -its in a great spot and just look at the views - the photos are brilliant!
cgksheff 23-08-2005, 20:37 Originally posted by Hels
Park Hill is listed, it's here to stay.
No! No! No!
Listing does not prevent demolition. It just means that higher authority has to be sought (with supporting reasons) before change or demolition can go ahead. If Sheffield Council wanted demolition, they would go.
You will find many examples of listed buildings being removed or altered.
Allocation of funding from central sources in this case has been done by the South Yorkshire Housing Market Renewal Pathfinder Board.
I think that the problems that have built up in this specific group of flats cannot be removed by cosmetic change.
I also recognise that if the flats are demolished, similar high rise could never replace them and so 'housing' would have to find a lot more of alternative sites to replace the total number of housing units.
pete_fcs 23-08-2005, 20:58 Originally posted by Hels
WOW :o Pete_fcs, some fantastic photo's there!
:P :thumbsup: ta! :D
Originally posted by Hels
I'm not sure about the bidding and allocation process for regeneration money from the Government, but it could well be that the money is made available for this sole project and cannot be transferred to other projects.
This is not the case, the Council have made the decision to spend on Park Hill rather than other housing projects in Sheffield.
hmmm...... im surprised at the results so far - i thought it would be more clear cut.
This isn't news, it's just that the Labour Group chose to spin it rather idiotically.
Park Hill was always the subject of a 'negative bid' where the winning developer was always going to be the one that asked for the least money to bridge the shortfall.
I always though that the whole Park hill affair was doomed, especially with the proposed social mix and inevitable bonkers finances.
I don't think you have heard the last of Park Hill and the impending fiasco in the coming years.
pete_jim 24-08-2005, 09:28 Fantastic photos pete_fcs. Glad something is being done with these flats, agree it's a great location, fab views.
Classic Rock 24-08-2005, 09:36 If it's a listed building then we are stuck with it. With the amount of inward investment going on, it would make the new developments around the station look poor if Park Hill continues to rot away behind it. It needs doing.
will it be a success?
who knows, but one thing for sure is that the council are bound to run out of money half way through........just like they have done with renovating houses on arbourthorne!
:D
Originally posted by Classic Rock
If it's a listed building then we are stuck with it
No sorry this is wrong, see previous post by cgksheff.
janjan21 24-08-2005, 18:50 Good news realy but they have NO PLANS for a school and you would be surprised how many people want to stay in the area but they wont have a school alongside anymore. I work at the school and have done 17 years and i alongside with other staff will loose my job and what a lovely time i have add there with lots of happy memories.
liveforever 27-08-2005, 17:32 Must say I'm dissapointed with the amount of money being spent on them when it could be spent on so many other places that need it, e.g. the moor. But if it makes them look better.... what the hell!! In a kind of odd way, im quite fond of them. The place would look bleak without them.
dishwasher 27-08-2005, 23:05 Get it de-listed (if that's possible) and knock it down.
Is this a bad idea?
Who really likes the place?
I've not read the whole thread (sorry folks!) but if you've never been to Sheffield before and you arrive by train and the first thing you see is those flats, well what do you make of the city?
It's not going to impress you, is it?
but if the flats are done up, then maybe they will impress?
Hyde Park flats look quite nice now, and I understand that they are not a bad place to live. Maybe Park Hill could be the same?
However, I get a feeling it will all end in disaster and we'll end up having the same debate again in 5 years.
Internetowl 28-08-2005, 10:10 how much have they wasted on these 'slum' blocks anyway? They do seem to be removing all these tenament replacing 'cities in the sky / urban ghettos' elsewhere so why waste the money when they could build some more stone walls around private houses with the cash...
The simple answer to keeping/demolishing park hill, is demolish the main part and keep and refurbish the duke street smaller section, then everyone could be happy, the listing and piece of history would be kept, and the rest could be redeveloped.
RazorSHarp 30-08-2005, 07:36 Although I voted a waste of taxpayers money, i've just been told that the cost of demolision and recovery of the land would be a whole lot more expensive. So basically the poll shbould also have a "leave it as it is" option aswell
revamp and leave it as it is.
most posters on here qualify as NIMBY's. there will be a general social & economic mix from the flats, but you can guarantee no one will want new houses for the lower end built in their village or estate.
we have had enough over my side of the city with the new "manor" estate called westfield.
pete_fcs 31-08-2005, 15:45 these two terrorists hijack a plane and look for a building to smash into.
"we'll do hyde park" says one, and they head towards st johns road only to find it was demolished in 1992.
"let's try kelvin flats, thats big, lots of death and destruction", so they turn towards infirmary road, only to find the council knocked it down in 1993!
"i know! we'll do park hill!"
so off they head towards duke street.
"b.....cks!" says one, "we can't touch it!"
"why has it been pulled down too?"
"no! but it's agrade 2* listed building!"
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