The great big iPod thread [Archive]

Captain_Scarlet

23-08-2005, 07:06

Originally posted by ANGELUS
So why do people bitch about the ipod then, like I see everyone is doing again tonight??
What is the motivation for it?
Its the same with this rubbish load of lies about the ipod battery being duff- its a load of crap which people have bought into, and its planted the seeds of doubt about the ipod.
Thats all it is :) We do it 'coz we are sick of people beeing fairly clueless not knowing they're buying a pile of s***e, it's like, you'd avoid a Kia wouldn't ya ? It'd make snece... Strangely, with iPods there's this myth surounding them...
I don't personnaly recall ever criticising the iPod's battery... Although, if it has a battery it's already flawed compared to a player that uses AAs... (Use them as you wish, I use rechargeable batteries, replaceable and don't cost a bomb)

LordChaverly makes an excellent argumentation, and unlike Angelus, tries to prove his point with facts rather than sole personnal preference or 'my mates said so'. iRiver, Creative & Rio are far superior, in sound quality (uh oh I sence someone can't buy proper headphones), iRiver comes with Sennheiser phones, which are the best around.

with firmware updates with your River, as LordChaverly indicates you can use your player as a mobile hard drive, if you desire, you can also make due of the 'iRiverManager' and use your player as a UMS.
Utilities such as iTunes are very poor, backward, and purposely hold you back.
Plus if I may say so, but the IFP series in the prism shape brought a new ergonomy and ease of use to the market, the iPod still can't manage, a player with 4 buttons easily usable is a bit of an ownage.Originally posted by ANGELUS
Does it all not come down to the quality of the files you put on there though?
I would have thought so????
AND- this is the clincher for the ipod.
You can get funky little programs to load onto it.. including the bible if that floats your boat.. can Iriver and Creative do that :) I betcha you'd load Windows on your iPoo if you could, having fancy pancy utilities written excusively for your player just makes it a farce when some other manufacturers concentrate on quality alone, leaving useless utilities aside. A media player plays media... Not Tetris, that's called a mobile phone.

visit the house of quality (http://www.iriver.com/eu/index.asp)

Phanerothyme

23-08-2005, 08:41

Apple have a good record on making products that people want to own, regardless of the technical merits.

heck I was first in line for the Bondi blue iMacs when they came out here (ok, about 50,000th in line), and its still something that gets used every day.

The iPod is a well designed meeting of form and function, and if like me, you are not a trained music producer or acoustic engineer, sound quality is pretty good (compared to my Satsuma personal 8 track player).

And it was the first easy to use, non techie, large drive player. And in certain businesses, being first to market, especially if you have a PR dept the size of atlanta, means a lot.

The problem with all the other mp3 players is that they have no cachet whatsoever; whereas Apple products positively reek of it.

I don't own an iPod btw.

LordChaverly

23-08-2005, 08:53

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
Apple have a good record on making products that people want to own, regardless of the technical merits.

The problem with all the other mp3 players is that they have no cachet whatsoever; whereas Apple products positively reek of it.

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'By 'cachet', presumably you mean the superficial appeal deriving from marketing hype.

Phanerothyme

23-08-2005, 09:14

Originally posted by LordChaverly
'By 'cachet', presumably you mean the superficial appeal deriving from marketing hype.

by 'cachet' I mean 'cachet'. :P

ANGELUS

23-08-2005, 09:44

Originally posted by Captain_Scarlet
We do it 'coz we are sick of people beeing fairly clueless not knowing they're buying a pile of s***e, it's like, you'd avoid a Kia wouldn't ya ? It'd make snece... Strangely, with iPods there's this myth surounding them...
I don't personnaly recall ever criticising the iPod's battery... Although, if it has a battery it's already flawed compared to a player that uses AAs... (Use them as you wish, I use rechargeable batteries, replaceable and don't cost a bomb)

LordChaverly makes an excellent argumentation, and unlike Angelus, tries to prove his point with facts rather than sole personnal preference or 'my mates said so'. iRiver, Creative & Rio are far superior, in sound quality (uh oh I sence someone can't buy proper headphones), iRiver comes with Sennheiser phones, which are the best around.

with firmware updates with your River, as LordChaverly indicates you can use your player as a mobile hard drive, if you desire, you can also make due of the 'iRiverManager' and use your player as a UMS.
Utilities such as iTunes are very poor, backward, and purposely hold you back.
Plus if I may say so, but the IFP series in the prism shape brought a new ergonomy and ease of use to the market, the iPod still can't manage, a player with 4 buttons easily usable is a bit of an ownage.I betcha you'd load Windows on your iPoo if you could, having fancy pancy utilities written excusively for your player just makes it a farce when some other manufacturers concentrate on quality alone, leaving useless utilities aside. A media player plays media... Not Tetris, that's called a mobile phone.

visit the house of quality (http://www.iriver.com/eu/index.asp)

This is getting a very interesting topic now.. :)

On one side of the field- we have the ipodders and on the other side of the field- we have the pretenders to the throne.

We do it 'coz we are sick of people beeing fairly clueless not knowing they're buying a pile of s***e, it's like, you'd avoid a Kia wouldn't ya ? It'd make snece... Strangely, with iPods there's this myth surounding them...

We do it because we are sick of people being clueless about the ipods... maybe people dont care what you think about the ipods have you ever thought that? Maybe it was their personal choice to go for the 'pod?? A quick test- if I offered you an Ipod for free would you take it? - Seeing how you detest them like.

LordChaverly makes an excellent argumentation, and unlike Angelus, tries to prove his point with facts rather than sole personnal preference or 'my mates said so'. iRiver, Creative & Rio are far superior, in sound quality (uh oh I sence someone can't buy proper headphones), iRiver comes with Sennheiser phones, which are the best around.

Anyone can quote facts from a book or program, its just that I cannot be arsed to find the facts for you :)
All I will say to you mate is that the Ipod still is the biggest seller in the world- FACT.. thats all you and I need to know.
The many people in the world buying Apple products cannot be wrong can they? Maybe it is you thats wrong :)
Sennheiser are great though- you got me there.

with firmware updates with your River, as LordChaverly indicates you can use your player as a mobile hard drive, if you desire, you can also make due of the 'iRiverManager' and use your player as a UMS.
Utilities such as iTunes are very poor, backward, and purposely hold you back.

Ermmm- if you need to update your iriver to use it as a hard drive- then thats why people are not buying them.. Ipod does this ALREADY straight out of the box.. without some stupid updates, this does not encourage me at all to buy an Iriver if I need to keep slapping updates on it to do this.. Itunes is perfect mate, and its built for the ipod user mainly.. it does everything you would want it to do.. thats it!

Plus if I may say so, but the IFP series in the prism shape brought a new ergonomy and ease of use to the market, the iPod still can't manage, a player with 4 buttons easily usable is a bit of an ownage.I betcha you'd load Windows on your iPoo if you could, having fancy pancy utilities written excusively for your player just makes it a farce when some other manufacturers concentrate on quality alone, leaving useless utilities aside. A media player plays media... Not Tetris, that's called a mobile phone.

The ipod cant manage ease of use-- are you mad :)
Its got a touch sensitive scroller that even my kid nephew can operate... it had 4 buttons (like my model) - they have updated since.. the only drawback on the ipod is that it does not have an off button as such- you need to hold down the pause button to turn the power off which can be a pain I will admit.

I would load windows onto it.. just to see if it worked and what it did.. that would be fab :)

You're missing the point fella... Ipods can now do so many things- where as Iriver and Creative are stuck doing what they do for their purpose.. dont you think thats why ipods are selling probably double what the competitors are?

LordChaverly

23-08-2005, 09:56

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
by 'cachet' I mean 'cachet'. :P

I am not sure I cachet your drift here

nick2

23-08-2005, 09:56

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
Apple have a good record on making products that people want to own, regardless of the technical merits.

That hits the nail on the head. When they originally came onto the computer scene Apple were something different and their machines were among the best you could get, now I think they are more interested in how a machine looks than it's actual power/storage/upgradability/lifespan.

I kind of put I-pods in the same league as designer handbags or shoes, you don't need one, and they arn't realy worth the money, but they are desirable, especially when all your mates have one.

LordChaverly

23-08-2005, 10:01

Originally posted by nick2
That hits the nail on the head. When they originally came onto the computer scene Apple were something different and their machines were among the best you could get, now I think they are more interested in how a machine looks than it's actual power/storage/upgradability/lifespan.

This applies not only Apple, but probably also to many of the people who buy them. I have a feeling that the people who prefer iRiver tend to be more techno savvy than your average iPoders and want more bang for their hard earned bucks, thereby disregarding the superficial appeal of the iPod.

Phanerothyme

23-08-2005, 10:13

It's because they spend as much money on product design, as they do on components and manufacture, almost.

Result: tremendously user friendly products that sell well to people who really couldn't give a hoot about multipass variable bit-rate encoding, psychoacoustics, firmware upgrades or what a Gigabyte actually is: just so long as it does what it says on the box, looks eye catching, and delivers effortless operation without having to wade through a manual. Apple, despite a few lemons (newton, cube) has a solid record on this front - largely due to Steve Jobs always asking the impossible, and then bullying people into giving it to him.

What's interesting to me is why such an inconsequential device polarises opinions so much.

iPodistas find the need to evangelise, whilst those on the receiving end of evangelism must dig in their heels and resist. Odd, but it happened with the so called "mac vs PC" debate too.

Captain_Scarlet

23-08-2005, 10:27

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
And it was the first easy to use, non techie, large drive player. And in certain businesses, being first to market, especially if you have a PR dept the size of atlanta, means a lot.
The problem with all the other mp3 players is that they have no cachet whatsoever; whereas Apple products positively reek of it.the aim of this thread is and has been proved that the real worl is exactly the opposite.
iPods weren't the first, aren't the easiest to use, aren't the cheapest and aren't the most esthetically pleasing (that point of course belongs to each individual).
the ONLY thing in favour of Apple is their ability to sell and invent new hardware as poor as the precendent (mmmh Imac anyone ?) sold only by the power of U2 in their adverts.Originally posted by ANGELUS
All I will say to you mate is that the Ipod still is the biggest seller in the world- FACT.. thats all you and I need to know.
The many people in the world buying Apple products cannot be wrong can they? Maybe it is you thats wrong :)
Sennheiser are great though- you got me there.I'm confused, don't you update your Operating System, you can for free, make your player better, not new utilities like iChoonz.Originally posted by ANGELUS
All I will say to you mate is that the Ipod still is the biggest seller in the world- FACT.. thats all you and I need to know.
The many people in the world buying Apple products cannot be wrong can they? Maybe it is you thats wrong :)(I'm not your mate am I ?) You should have told me that the quality of iPods were only judged by the numbers sold, which what we, people who have the technical ability to criticise a piece of computer hardware, can do whereas you (Can I do the FACY thing to as I was told so) usually comment on objects solely on your likness of it. you're on the throne, but only on the throne of gullibleness: 'Yeh I like it, it's white and me mates has one!'The ipod cant manage ease of use-- are you mad
Its got a touch sensitive scroller that even my kid nephew can operate... it had 4 buttons (like my model) - they have updated since.. the only drawback on the ipod is that it does not have an off button as such- you need to hold down the pause button to turn the power off which can be a pain I will admit.Perhaps Apple has stolen more from iRiver than you think... The whole wearing around the neck, minimum number of buttons is River's idea, if not Rio, which was done 10 years ago !Originally posted by nick2
That hits the nail on the head. When they originally came onto the computer scene Apple were something different and their machines were among the best you could get, now I think they are more interested in how a machine looks than it's actual power/storage/upgradability/lifespan.

I kind of put I-pods in the same league as designer handbags or shoes, you don't need one, and they aren't really worth the money, but they are desirable, especially when all your mates have one. My sentiments exactly, what is it Angelus ? Your mate has one and you want one too ?
When you go to HMV you seen the flashy green iPod packaging, and it's like 'Wow the colour of this box mates me want to have this no doubt fantastic product, 300 quid ? Bargain for this fashionable item).
Oups did I spill the bean ? Fashion is not quality ?

May I add, that really, Angelus, you're off topic (strix where are you ?) this thread is for you to read, and us to talk ;)

Apple which was not so long ago debt ridden due to the appeal of its products, the difficulty to upgrade, the price. Has only managed to get back into the black by designing 'good looking product' (if you can call it good looking coz I wouldn't touch em with a barge poll on esthetics alone), think Imac with the screen with the half spehere piedestal, and now with the similar iPoo. It's not quality, it's marketting, and like a drunken motorist on a Friday night, you're driving right into the wall !

Make your own mind, don't follow others, and if you do, do it of your own accord.

nick2

23-08-2005, 10:28

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
What's interesting to me is why such an inconsequential device polarises opinions so much.

I think mainly it's because the people who own them will never admit they only bought it becasue of the way it looks, even though almost every review points to other players being much better, and that enrages the techie people who see it as designer "fluff".

It's like people who slag of designer clothes as a "waste of money", of course they are, but people don't buy them because they are value for money, they buy them becasue they like the look of them or the "show-off" potential.

Each to their own, I'd probably have an I-pod if they were cheaper, but then I'd rather spend the money on a Dior T-shirt.

LordChaverly

23-08-2005, 10:28

have you not read Gulliver's travels, where the mutual hostility between two countries was generated by different opinions concerning shoe fashions?

As for the Mac versus PC debate, well, we know who is winning that one hands down don't we?

Phanerothyme

23-08-2005, 10:52

Originally posted by LordChaverly
As for the Mac versus PC debate, well, we know who is winning that one hands down don't we?

There isn't a debate - hence the quotes.

Boxes that go beep, with very little to differentiate them.

LordChaverly

23-08-2005, 11:06

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
There isn't a debate - hence the quotes.

Boxes that go beep, with very little to differentiate them.

Pardon me for mentioning it, but you included no quotes around the word 'debate'

Very little to differentiate them except for price and functionailty.

ANGELUS

23-08-2005, 11:06

Originally posted by Captain_Scarlet
[B]the aim of this thread is and has been proved that the real worl is exactly the opposite.
iPods weren't the first, aren't the easiest to use, aren't the cheapest and aren't the most esthetically pleasing (that point of course belongs to each individual).

Ipods, were not the first- and? .. They are probably the most easiest to use- if you have ever tried to use one? Probably not - arent the cheapest- very true- and is still the most pleasing on the eye player around- are you blind? Show me something thats looks better than an Ipod- proof is needed on this.

the ONLY thing in favour of Apple is their ability to sell and invent new hardware as poor as the precendent (mmmh Imac anyone ?) sold only by the power of U2 in their adverts.

The thing in favour of apple- is that its a big name brand- and you know if something goes wrong.. they will sort it for you.
Creative and Iriver are companies that most peeps dont know and dont trust them- thats the main reason for an ipod choice. And I find it laughable that the 'power of U2' sells the Ipod.. when ipods were selling like mental months before U2 came on the scene.. get your facts right there.

I'm confused, don't you update your Operating System, you can for free, make your player better, not new utilities like iChoonz.(I'm not your mate am I ?)

I do update my 'pod yes- I havent seen anything yet that makes the pod player better or anything though- I dont think you could really- its already A1. I never said an update was like ITunes (correct spelling in english) thats called an application! :)

You should have told me that the quality of iPods were only judged by the numbers sold, which what we, people who have the technical ability to criticise a piece of computer hardware, can do whereas you (Can I do the FACT thing to as I was told so) usually comment on objects solely on your likness of it. you're on the throne, but only on the throne of gullibleness:

The quality of the ipod is not in question really is it- its still number one and will always will be in the market for a long while yet.. and to say that people only buy it because it looks good just makes you out to be a bit of a prat really.. Im sure people buy it because it is just a great bit of kit to use everyday. So bearing in mind what you have just said.. I used to own an Archos AV340 which ****** on everything out there and was the first I think to be able to play a movie on the go was it not- so Im not stupidly not technical thankyou :)

'Yeh I like it, it's white and me mates has one!'
Is this why people are buying creative and Iriver then?
Because I dont see many people with them nowadays?
The ipod is very eye catching, but its not the main reason why I bought one, as I said above. To follow people like sheep is a bit sad as well really. 'My mate said Creative and Iriver are best so I'll have to follow them and damn everything else- because they must be the best.. really!'

Perhaps Apple has stolen more from iRiver than you think... The whole wearing around the neck, minimum number of buttons is River's idea, if not Rio, which was done 10 years ago Why would you wear a player round your neck?? Minimum number of buttons is irivers idea- sorry I hadnt heard of iriver until ipod popped up and then iriver reared up after about a few months after that.. never heard of the rio as well.

!My sentiments exactly, what is it Angelus ? Your mate has one and you want one too ?

Ermm NO.... I have one first, then they buy it.. so you could call me a trend setter could you not? I lead - I dont follow like sheep.

When you go to HMV you seen the flashy green iPod packaging, and it's like 'Wow the colour of this box mates me want to have this no doubt fantastic product, 300 quid ? Bargain for this fashionable item).

Yet again, you are very foolish to say that I would buy a product purely on the look of the box.. nope again, I liked the product before and it ticked all the boxes that I wanted it to do - so I splash the cash.. is this ok to you- do I have your permission my lord?

Oups did I spill the bean ? Fashion is not quality ?

Very true

May I add, that really, Angelus, you're off topic (strix where are you ?) this thread is for you to read, and us to talk ;)

So by that comment I should report you alone for telling me not to participate in this discussion further- sounds like harassment to me.. you do not have the right to tell anyone 'this thread is for you to read- and for US to talk'... by rights, I should report you right now for saying that really.

Apple which was not so long ago debt ridden due to the appeal of its products, the difficulty to upgrade, the price. Has only managed to get back into the black by designing 'good looking product' (if you can call it good looking coz I wouldn't touch em with a barge poll on esthetics alone),

Because you like big bulky players, dontcha!

Make your own mind, don't follow others, and if you do, do it of your own accord.

This last bit made me laugh, it really did.. you and oher people such as LordChaberly - if Im pointing fingers have come on and attacked the ipod- you didnt start the thread- therefore your following like the good little sheep you are...

Dont imitate- innovate :)

Speak your own mind first on here .. dont just tag along.

ANGELUS

23-08-2005, 11:09

Originally posted by nick2
I kind of put I-pods in the same league as designer handbags or shoes, you don't need one, and they arn't realy worth the money, but they are desirable, especially when all your mates have one.

I wouldnt put ipod in the same league at all frankly.

Mine is not a fashion accessory nor should it be seen as one, its just a product I use when on the bus to and from work.. thats it.. and for transporting data.

I didnt need one- but I have enough cash to able to spend on one if I so wish.. 'tis called luxuries.

They are worth the money and yes they are very desirable.. my mates dont have one :)

AND why might I add do you buy Dior T-Shirts?
Just because its got Dior on it.. does it make you look better than anyone else? No offence :)

LordChaverly

23-08-2005, 11:15

Don't imitate innovate?

So which company first brought out a player with photo and movie functions?

Which company first offered both hard drive and flash drive players?

Which company first offered 40g and 60g players?

In each Apple followed rather than led the field.

floyd77

23-08-2005, 11:27

Originally posted by ANGELUS
This is getting a very interesting topic now.. :)
Ermmm- if you need to update your iriver to use it as a hard drive- then thats why people are not buying them.. Ipod does this ALREADY straight out of the box.. without some stupid updates, this does not encourage me at all to buy an Iriver if I need to keep slapping updates on it to do this.. Itunes is perfect mate, and its built for the ipod user mainly.. it does everything you would want it to do.. thats it!

Iriver is a hard drive straight out of the box, you dont need any upgrade, my H320 straight from the box had radio (which can be recorded at the touch of a button), could store full colour pictures, browser, recorder (voice & audio) and can be connected to a PC as a 20gb hard drive - as well as play pretty much any type of music file, downloaded from anywhere. I came with quality earphones, microphone, leather case, usb cables galore. With 1 firmware upgrade (free) I could watch video files, meaning I can watch films, TV etc should I get bored with music. Ipod gets its ass kicked by iRiver at every turn, the only thing it has going for it is the wheel, but I can put up with it taking me maybe a second longer to find the song I want in exchange for some real benefits.

This is not jealosy, I did extensive research when I was choosing an MP3 - If the Ipod was better, I would have bought one of them - not, like you 'because everyone else has one'. I wanted a quality player, not a fashion accessory.

ANGELUS

23-08-2005, 11:30

Originally posted by LordChaverly
Don't imitate innovate?

So which company first brought out a player with photo and movie functions?

Which company first offered both hard drive and flash drive players?

Which company first offered 40g and 60g players?

In each Apple followed rather than led the field.

I have not a clue- who first brought it out.. frankly I dont care to be honest :)

Please do tell me though as Im sure you will do...

When I said 'Dont Imitate- Innovate' that was refering to the comment by the fool above saying I actually give a poo what my friends think of what I buy.. I buy things for me and the missus.

I by the latest gadgets because I want to- because then enhance my life- end of... I dont care for how they work and the finer points of the gadgets.. as long as it does what it says on the tin- its good enough for me :)

ANGELUS

23-08-2005, 11:44

Originally posted by floyd77
Iriver is a hard drive straight out of the box, you dont need any upgrade, my H320 straight from the box had radio (which can be recorded at the touch of a button), could store full colour pictures, browser, recorder (voice & audio) and can be connected to a PC as a 20gb hard drive - as well as play pretty much any type of music file, downloaded from anywhere. I came with quality earphones, microphone, leather case, usb cables galore. With 1 firmware upgrade (free) I could watch video files, meaning I can watch films, TV etc should I get bored with music. Ipod gets its ass kicked by iRiver at every turn, the only thing it has going for it is the wheel, but I can put up with it taking me maybe a second longer to find the song I want in exchange for some real benefits.

This is not jealosy, I did extensive research when I was choosing an MP3 - If the Ipod was better, I would have bought one of them - not, like you 'because everyone else has one'. I wanted a quality player, not a fashion accessory.

Interesting then.. so would you agree that this comment posted above was incorrect?

with firmware updates with your River, as LordChaverly indicates you can use your player as a mobile hard drive, if you desire

I dont like the idea of keeping upgrading to get such and such- it should already be built in ready to go for me.. thats what I pays my money for.. not to keep having to download the latest update to watch video- thats where iriver is falling on its arse.

Ipod gets its ass kicked by iRiver at every turn, the only thing it has going for it is the wheel, but I can put up with it taking me maybe a second longer to find the song I want in exchange for some real benefits.

Once again, why does the ipod get its ass kicked by iriver?
Are you all being brainwashed by iriver or are you all on the payroll or summat- ipod is ******* all over iriver and creative for sales and everything.. ipod takes a dump on iriver and then bitch slaps them around the room.

This is not jealosy, I did extensive research when I was choosing an MP3 - If the Ipod was better, I would have bought one of them - not, like you 'because everyone else has one'. I wanted a quality player, not a fashion accessory.

For the last sodding time, I will say again...
I DID NOT BUY ONE BECAUSE EVERYONE ELSE HAD ONE.
I got one when the ipod first came out- period.
I dont copy people - I really am not that shallow.
End of story- Im not saying this again.
'I start the trend - I dont follow the pack'

Have you all got this now finally - or do I have to brainwash you all into remembering this like iriver and creative seem to have done to you :)

floyd77

23-08-2005, 11:45

Angelus - You do seem pretty determined to defend the Ipod, telling us all its the best player out there, even though I cant find a single atricle or comparison which the Ipod wins :suspect:

So, its proven to be a pretty rubbish, over-priced player - so why are you telling everyone how wonderful it is? Even if it were the same price as an Iriver, it still wouldnt be as good.

Give us some facts (other than 'Its shiny and white and lovely' - thats opinion, I think my H320 is quite handsome)on why the Ipod is better, maybe there's something we dont know?

nick2

23-08-2005, 11:45

Originally posted by ANGELUS
I didnt need one- but I have enough cash to able to spend on one if I so wish.. 'tis called luxuries.

AND why might I add do you buy Dior T-Shirts?

The first sentance explains the second one, I-pod, Dior T-shirt, same thing realy IMO.

I don't actually buy Dior T-shirts, so the snidey "does it make you better" comment was realy not necessary.

ANGELUS

23-08-2005, 12:00

Originally posted by floyd77
Angelus - You do seem pretty determined to defend the Ipod, telling us all its the best player out there, even though I cant find a single atricle or comparison which the Ipod wins :suspect:

So, its proven to be a pretty rubbish, over-priced player - so why are you telling everyone how wonderful it is? Even if it were the same price as an Iriver, it still wouldnt be as good.

Give us some facts (other than 'Its shiny and white and lovely' - thats opinion, I think my H320 is quite handsome)on why the Ipod is better, maybe there's something we dont know?

To be honest- as I've said above.. I really cant be arsed now :)
It all comes down to choice- you like iriver, I like the 'pod.
We are never going to agree- so whats the point basically :)

http://xs43.xs.to/pics/05342/IPOD-RIVER.jpg

If you can honestly say the one on the left looks sleeker, more crisper and just a lot better looking than the one on the right- visit specsavers... yours looks like a mobile phone, summat from the nokia range no less.

floyd77

23-08-2005, 12:03

Originally posted by ANGELUS
[B]I dont like the idea of keeping upgrading to get such and such- it should already be built in ready to go for me.. thats what I pays my money for.. not to keep having to download the latest update to watch video- thats where iriver is falling on its arse.
Not being able to watch video at all is falling on your arse. You used quite a few posts complaining that another company made you buy the latest version every few months - are free upgrades not a better way to handle things when the company think of new features??

Once again, why does the ipod get its ass kicked by iriver?
Are you all being brainwashed by iriver or are you all on the payroll or summat- ipod is ******* all over iriver and creative for sales and everything.. ipod takes a dump on iriver and then bitch slaps them around the room.
Ipod gets its ass kicked because its better. end of story. It may sell more, but there are lots of ill informed consumers out there. Lots of people voted for George Bush too, is that because he was better?

For the last sodding time, I will say again...
I DID NOT BUY ONE BECAUSE EVERYONE ELSE HAD ONE.
I got one when the ipod first came out- period.
I dont copy people - I really am not that shallow.
End of story- Im not saying this again.
'I start the trend - I dont follow the pack'
Your entire argument on how Ipod is better is based on their sales record, not functions, quality or anything else meaningful. Just because it sells alot does not make it better. It means they have a better PR or advertising dept (which you pay for with the inflated price)

Have you all got this now finally - or do I have to brainwash you all into remembering this like iriver and creative seem to have done to you :)

We all have already 'got it' Youre the one who is missing something. :hihi:

ANGELUS

23-08-2005, 12:03

Originally posted by nick2
The first sentance explains the second one, I-pod, Dior T-shirt, same thing realy IMO.

I don't actually buy Dior T-shirts, so the snidey "does it make you better" comment was realy not necessary.

Ay! I wasnt being snidey :)

Two different items.. the ipod you wear if you are sad to try and look good and impress people with your wealth- I dont do this.. I wear it because I like to listen to the songs on it... thats all... to buy a Dior T shirt - you are either buying it to try and pull, look better than you actually are, or fool people into thinking you have cash.. which one is it?

Just because you wear Dior clothes, dont make you a better person than anyone I'm sorry to say- been there, done it :)

But if you want to spend your cash on your luxuries- I cant say a damn word because I like my gadgetry! :)

floyd77

23-08-2005, 12:07

Originally posted by ANGELUS
If you can honestly say the one on the left looks sleeker, more crisper and just a lot better looking than the one on the right- visit specsavers... yours looks like a mobile phone, summat from the nokia range no less.

I can say that, because its all about taste. "ooooh, its white - whoopee!"
Even if i did care, and thought the iPod was lovely - as it spends most of its time in a pocket I dont really care what it looks like, only that it does a good job.

Again - make with the argument over why the Ipod is better, other than 'it sells more'?

ANGELUS

23-08-2005, 12:09

Originally posted by floyd77
Not being able to watch video at all is falling on your arse. You used quite a few posts complaining that another company made you buy the latest version every few months - are free upgrades not a better way to handle things when the company think of new features??

[quote}
Once again, why does the ipod get its ass kicked by iriver?
Are you all being brainwashed by iriver or are you all on the payroll or summat- ipod is ******* all over iriver and creative for sales and everything.. ipod takes a dump on iriver and then bitch slaps them around the room.
Ipod gets its ass kicked because its better. end of story. It may sell more, but there are lots of ill informed consumers out there. Lots of people voted for George Bush too, is that because he was better?

Your entire argument on how Ipod is better is based on their sales record, not functions, quality or anything else meaningful. Just because it sells alot does not make it better. It means they have a better PR or advertising dept (which you pay for with the inflated price)

We all have already 'got it' Youre the one who is missing something. :hihi: [/QUOTE]

Last post from me now- this is getting tiresome and pointless.
And the mods should close the thread.

YOU paid for a player - that didnt actually play video until you upgraded the firmware... what dont you get??
How dumb do you have to be to buy something that- will play video when you do this or that... for gods sake man.. get a grip!

Archos was and still is a big con- I have learnt today, they have a new model out replacing the older one from 3 months ago-- apparently this new one has a 100gb HD in it... con... how would you feel if you bought the last model to find 3 months later, your pride and joy has been replaced by a newer version.
Dont lie and say you wouldnt be ****** off buy that!

Loads of people voting for a president who is also a fool.. does not actually contribut to the ipod thread though does it really.

Like I said, mods close this topic now -- we've gone to the insults stage so this should be closed.

floyd77

23-08-2005, 12:13

You paid much more for a player, that will never play video - what dont you get??

BTW - you dont get to decide who closes threads, just because youre losing an argument. No one has insulted you, calm down and have a civilised debate.

ANGELUS

23-08-2005, 12:22

Originally posted by floyd77
You paid much more for a player, that will never play video - what dont you get??

BTW - you dont get to decide who closes threads, just because youre losing an argument. No one has insulted you, calm down and have a civilised debate.

I paid for the 'pod to play music- thats it... thats all I want from it.

My Archos I wanted for transferring photos on/off to easily while on holiday and also to be able to put video on- 2 entirely different products that do the jobs I wanted them individually to do.

If this is even relevant - then why the snidey comment again then?
You paid much more for a player, that will never play video - what dont you get??

Its time this topic got closed- because it has decended to this level- why keep it open?

nick2

23-08-2005, 12:23

Originally posted by ANGELUS
to buy a Dior T shirt - you are either buying it to try and pull, look better than you actually are, or fool people into thinking you have cash.. which one is it?

or because you actually like the design.

I'm just saying I see both things, the T-shirt and an Ipod in the same light, a little luxury item you don't realy need, but there is no reason why people should have to come up with a better reason for having one than "I wanted one".

I actually agree with you, I think.

Phanerothyme

23-08-2005, 12:23

Originally posted by LordChaverly
Pardon me for mentioning it, but you included no quotes around the word 'debate'

Very little to differentiate them except for price and functionailty.
whoops, meant these quotes

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
so called "mac vs PC" debate too.

Its tools for the job. If I want built in colour correction between all my output devices and a typesetter, I use the 233mhz rev B iMac. Its something that still costs £1000s to do on a PC, whereas colorsync is built right into Mac OS 8.6

On the other hand, I use an AMD box for rendering fractals as it has the best arithmetic performance, and I use my HT P4 box for video editing and compositing, and everything else.

All are useful to me, even my nearly 10 year old iMac - which still hasn't crashed this year....

I think a lot of this 'debate' :P about players really is about personalities, and not the little objects they own.

FWIW I wouldn't bother with a HDD based player, when it's so obvious that solid state is the way forward.

floyd77

23-08-2005, 12:37

Originally posted by ANGELUS
[B]I paid for the 'pod to play music- thats it... thats all I want from it.
Very good - the Iriver is better at that too though, and so much more.

My Archos I wanted for transferring photos on/off to easily while on holiday and also to be able to put video on- 2 entirely different products that do the jobs I wanted them individually to do.
I have one piece of equipment that does all this - no brainer really.

If this is even relevant - then why the snidey comment again then?
At the risk of sounding like a child - you started it, I merely repeated your comment!

Its time this topic got closed- because it has decended to this level- why keep it open?
What level? please dont cry or anything, I'm not trying to hurt your feelings! Just have an open debate, something I'm quite keen to do as all the facts support my argument:thumbsup:

Katsz1179

23-08-2005, 12:49

I Love my ipod, the only negative thing i will say is that if I put the volume on too high on the idock station it crashes! but other then that I thinks it's fantastic!

Mathom

23-08-2005, 12:51

No i-pod owner's ever going to convince me that their i-pod is great, because I had an i-pod myself and it was utter cack. I always laugh when people say, in the manner of a five year old "ooh, you only criticise it because you can't afford one" - I had one of the most expensive i-pods and it was still, utter cack.

The scrolling wheel? The Creative Zen has one, and it's much easier to use. Plus it's quicker to set up in the first place. Size? The Archos G-mini is much smaller and does a whole lot more. And neither of these are liable to 'wipe' if you knock your USB cable out.

So you never see anyone with one of the other players? What does that tell you? That i-pod owners are more likely to go "ooh, look what I've got" thus proving it's bought as much for fashion as anything else. If people want to spend extra money for a brand name then that's their perogative, but in the case of mp3 players the i-pod owner will only impress either the 15 year old girl or the fashion bunny herd male. Whereas an i-river owner for example will be impressing those worth impressing.

But basically you could say anything about the i-pod and I still wouldn't be convinced because I had one and, I repeat, it was cack.

floyd77

23-08-2005, 12:56

Wouldnt you love it more if it didnt crash? Does the fact that it crashes not possibly suggest it might just be a bit rubbish?

The fact remains that the iPod is just not as good as some of the competition, and grossly overpriced for what it is. I cant see how anyone can argue that?

If you want an iPod, fine - go get one, but you cant seriously say its because its the best around. It does a job, and seems to have aquired some kind of cool status so if thats what you're after, then so be it - good luck to you. I on the other hand wanted more bang for my buck.

Someone asked what would you do if someone offered you a free iPod? I'd take it. Then sell it to a moron and buy something decent!:heyhey:

Katsz1179

23-08-2005, 13:11

[QUOTE]Originally posted by floyd77
[B]Wouldnt you love it more if it didnt crash? Does the fact that it crashes not possibly suggest it might just be a bit rubbish?

The fact remains that the iPod is just as good as some of the competition, and grossly overpriced for what it is. I cant see how anyone can argue that?

If you want an iPod, fine - go get one, but you cant seriously say its because its the best around. It does a job, and seems to have aquired some kind of cool status so if thats what you're after, then so be it - good luck to you. I on the other hand wanted more bang for my buck."

It works perfectly fine as a walkman with headphones, i would say it's something to do with the idock station it's only when I have the volume on high that it crashes!!

I didn't buy my ipod my family chipped in and got it got it for me as a present last xmas! I just wanted something I could put all my albums on and download odd tracks! Status had no bearing on me getting an MP3 player!

floyd77

23-08-2005, 13:27

Sorry Katz - wasnt having a go at you, though it probably sounded like it!

The reason you ended up with an iPod is because they have a better marketing campaign than other brands, plus it costs more so people assume it the daddy (its not), so you family chipped in for what looked like a quality present.
It does do the job you want, and if it didnt crash you'd be perfectly happy - so everyones a winner. (and an iPod is still a pretty good present in anyones book!)

My problem is with the folks who think it is the be all and end all of MP3 players, while it is good, its nowhere near the best - and costs you a bomb for the privelege of owning it! Paying for the badge if you like.
I've yet to meet anyone who did any amount of research before buying an Mp3 and still bought an iPod.

Captain_Scarlet

23-08-2005, 16:19

Originally posted by ANGELUS
Ipods, were not the first- and? .. They are probably the most easiest to use- if you have ever tried to use one? Probably not - arent the cheapest- very true- and is still the most pleasing on the eye player around- are you blind? Show me something thats looks better than an Ipod- proof is needed on this.I never owned an iPod, as I have the technical expertise to tell you to avoid buying one as there is better and cheaper hardware around... It' slike shopping for a motherboard... See much nicer and esthetically pleasants plyers, go to Iriver's website, all models, in various colours and shapes are far more innovative in ergonomy than the iPoo's box. Go on the website ratherThe thing in favour of apple- is that its a big name brand- and you know if something goes wrong.. they will sort it for you.
Creative and Iriver are companies that most peeps dont know and dont trust them- thats the main reason for an ipod choice. And I find it laughable that the 'power of U2' sells the Ipod.. when ipods were selling like mental months before U2 came on the scene.. get your facts right there.PMSL, so U2 is that new band that's come out 3 years ago ;) go hide in a closet Mr Angel ;)I do update my 'pod yes- I havent seen anything yet that makes the pod player better or anything though- I dont think you could really- its already A1. I never said an update was like ITunes (correct spelling in english) thats called an application! :)so you're making an update, and you don't know what it does, interesting... And you can't see a difference ? Why update then ? It is YOUR player, therefore are interested in what it does no ? You did have to mortgage your house to buy the bugger after all !
and iChoonz is a utility if you want, but it's really a piece of software.The quality of the ipod is not in question really is it- its still number one and will always will be in the market for a long while yet.. and to say that people only buy it because it looks good just makes you out to be a bit of a prat really.. Im sure people buy it because it is just a great bit of kit to use everyday. So bearing in mind what you have just said.. I used to own an Archos AV340 which ****** on everything out there and was the first I think to be able to play a movie on the go was it not- so Im not stupidly not technical thankyouI feel like I'm in the twiwilght zone of Angelus here... you really have no clue it's unbelievable.Is this why people are buying creative and Iriver then?
Because I dont see many people with them nowadays?
The ipod is very eye catching, but its not the main reason why I bought one, as I said above. To follow people like sheep is a bit sad as well really. 'My mate said Creative and Iriver are best so I'll have to follow them and damn everything else- because they must be the best.. really!'you do but as they're smaller and better equipped, people tend to wear them around the neck or in a pocket... You can spot an iPoo user as the (recent models) default headphones are white :gag:Why would you wear a player round your neck?? Minimum number of buttons is irivers idea- sorry I hadnt heard of iriver until ipod popped up and then iriver reared up after about a few months after that.. never heard of the rio as well.If you're not au fait of what is going on then don't accuse me of fibbing... iRiver, Creative and Rio have been in business long before Apple started its iPoo. Google it if you wish. and you've only hear dof iRiver as it is a superior model, people have not hesitate to warn iPoo users as soon as it came out.Ermm NO.... I have one first, then they buy it.. so you could call me a trend setter could you not? I lead - I dont follow like sheep.If you had one first, then you're the sort of trend setter that needs shooting against a wall. Plus leading with an iPoo, gimme a break, I've seen more style in a Skoda...Yet again, you are very foolish to say that I would buy a product purely on the look of the box.. nope again, I liked the product before and it ticked all the boxes that I wanted it to do - so I splash the cash.. is this ok to you- do I have your permission my lord?If with your pension you can afford your iPoo, fair dooes...So by that comment I should report you alone for telling me not to participate in this discussion further- sounds like harassment to me.. you do not have the right to tell anyone 'this thread is for you to read- and for US to talk'... by rights, I should report you right now for saying that really.you can, and your report will probably go the way of Strix' reports into the bin. But correct me if I'm wrong, you're accusing me of harassing me when you're saying you'll report me. Read carefully, this thread is not for you to speak about how good YOU think iPoo's are, but to rant and just show the error of your way. You are off topic, and none of your pathetic attemps had an ounce of scientific backup, pure fibbles made up by your own opinion rather than careful consideration.
Because you like big bulky players, dontcha!My player is smaller than yours... Check your player's dimensions.This last bit made me laugh, it really did.. you and oher people such as LordChaberly - if Im pointing fingers have come on and attacked the ipod- you didnt start the thread- therefore your following like the good little sheep you are...No, we agree, and add to the conversation. You don't ;)It works perfectly fine as a walkman with headphones, i would say it's something to do with the idock station it's only when I have the volume on high that it crashes!!Docking station... Nuf said :gag:Originally posted by ANGELUS
I dont like the idea of keeping upgrading to get such and such- it should already be built in ready to go for me.. thats what I pays my money for.. not to keep having to download the latest update to watch video- thats where iriver is falling on its arse.Yet - you do, see above, what do you do do then, upgrade, or not upgrade ? I upgraded the Firmware once, now it works even better and I haven't upgraded since.
And watching a video/film/clip on a player with a 4 inch screen is as interesting and worthwhile as having a 3G phone and watching Eric Prydz clip on your mobile, I have a 32" telly thank you, there is no need or quite impossibility too to watch a film on the move, I'd probably kill myself driving and doing that ! I can though, plug in my player into my car stereo and listen ...

Siân

23-08-2005, 16:37

MOD: Let's cool down a bit guys - debate is fine but please don't get personal :)

JFKvsNixon

23-08-2005, 16:49

I've got an ipod 60gb photo and although I am not rubbishing anyone elses mp3player as we all make our choices. But i am well happy with it. I can carry all my cds and my entire photo collection in my pocket.

I have not had any problems with it crashing, itunes was easy to use. After i installed itunes it automatically converted all my songs and installed them onto the ipod with only a couple of clicks.

Another nifty thing is when i am playing an albulm/single the cover is displayed in colour on the screen.

alchresearch

23-08-2005, 20:43

Originally posted by ANGELUS
Creative and Iriver are companies that most peeps dont know and dont trust them- thats the main reason for an ipod choice.

Would this be the same Creative behind Soundblaster, one of the most popular sound cards ever made?

It's companies like Creative that actually brought sound to the home PC!

Captain_Scarlet

23-08-2005, 22:41

Originally posted by alchresearch
Would this be the same Creative behind Soundblaster, one of the most popular sound cards ever made?

It's companies like Creative that actually brought sound to the home PC! Off course not, Apple did it first... Mmmmmh... :suspect: :suspect:

wibbles

24-08-2005, 11:59

Funny thread.
I am an ipod owner and personally I bought one because it does everything I want it to do..i.e.play music and look good..simple as...I want it to play music..not movies..thats what I have a DVD Player for..not pictures..thats what I have a camera for. If someone out there can tell me that there is another player that sounds better then I'm afraid I would struggle to be convinved..my ipod sounds just great and how other players would hugely differ is beyond me..my ears aren't that sensitive..now I'm sure someone could trawl up some tests carried out by some magazine giving me some fancy numbers, frequency levels blah blah but not being a bat makes it difficult for me to pick up these subtle differences. I respect other people's choices to buy what they deem suitable for their purposes, but starting an anti-ipod thread does unfortunately stink of jealousy...does the original thread starter own one??..have they ever owned one or are they simply jumping on the ever popular bandwagon that a lot of non-ipod users are all too quick to jump on..what's their gripe based on...the price??..don't buy one then??..the quality???..if you don't like it don't buy one then..the look??..don't buy one then..you stick to what you want to buy if it makes you happy.
I see ipods as no different to any other brand name that is made out to be a rip-off for what it actually is....jeans made my Armani are denim just like the ones made by George of Asda, TV's made by Sony show the same programs as TV's made by Beko.....Tesco's own baked beans are still just beans in tomato sauce..the same as Heinz but they aren't the same price.

I'm starting an anti-heinz thread..I reckon their beans are a rip-off and I laugh in the face of people that buy them thinking they are buying something cool and trendy when in fact Tesco's own brand are cheaper, and in my opinion taste just as good, if not better..and you can watch movies with them ...oops..thats something else.

robbie

24-08-2005, 12:45

I'm very happy with my Iriver and wouldn't swap it for an Ipod.

they are just a fashion accesory

floyd77

24-08-2005, 12:56

Originally posted by wibbles
jeans made my Armani are denim just like the ones made by George of Asda, TV's made by Sony show the same programs as TV's made by Beko.....Tesco's own baked beans are still just beans in tomato sauce..the same as Heinz but they aren't the same price.

If you read the whole thread, you know it wasnt jealousy, probably more ridicule of the iPod buyers, who obviously like throwing money away - but if thats what you want to do then who I am to say you're wrong?

The difference in you examples is that Sony (debatably) make better quality TV's than BEKO, with better build, picture and sound quality, therefore cost more.
Heinz beans are different, and tastier than cheapy ones, therefore cost more.
With Armani you do pay for the label, but everyone knows that, and I bet they would last longer the George jeans, so cost more.

iRiver (for example) do the same thing as iPod, but at a better quality, and they do much more too, but they are cheaper! Shockerooney!

So it would be like a Beko telly being more expensive than a Sony, or George being more than Armani etc etc......

ANGELUS

24-08-2005, 14:33

Originally posted by wibbles
Funny thread.
I am an ipod owner and personally I bought one because it does everything I want it to do..i.e.play music and look good..simple as...I want it to play music..not movies..thats what I have a DVD Player for..not pictures..thats what I have a camera for. If someone out there can tell me that there is another player that sounds better then I'm afraid I would struggle to be convinved..my ipod sounds just great and how other players would hugely differ is beyond me..my ears aren't that sensitive..now I'm sure someone could trawl up some tests carried out by some magazine giving me some fancy numbers, frequency levels blah blah but not being a bat makes it difficult for me to pick up these subtle differences. I respect other people's choices to buy what they deem suitable for their purposes, but starting an anti-ipod thread does unfortunately stink of jealousy...does the original thread starter own one??..have they ever owned one or are they simply jumping on the ever popular bandwagon that a lot of non-ipod users are all too quick to jump on..what's their gripe based on...the price??..don't buy one then??..the quality???..if you don't like it don't buy one then..the look??..don't buy one then..you stick to what you want to buy if it makes you happy.
I see ipods as no different to any other brand name that is made out to be a rip-off for what it actually is....jeans made my Armani are denim just like the ones made by George of Asda, TV's made by Sony show the same programs as TV's made by Beko.....Tesco's own baked beans are still just beans in tomato sauce..the same as Heinz but they aren't the same price.

I'm starting an anti-heinz thread..I reckon their beans are a rip-off and I laugh in the face of people that buy them thinking they are buying something cool and trendy when in fact Tesco's own brand are cheaper, and in my opinion taste just as good, if not better..and you can watch movies with them ...oops..thats something else.

Dont admit to being an Ipod owner- especially on this thread,
They will crucify you on here for it, as you see with me above.

People have to be right about the ipod, they wont accept anything you can tell them Im affraid :)

wibbles

24-08-2005, 14:37

Originally posted by floyd77
If you read the whole thread, you know it wasnt jealousy, probably more ridicule of the iPod buyers, who obviously like throwing money away - but if thats what you want to do then who I am to say you're wrong?

The difference in you examples is that Sony (debatably) make better quality TV's than BEKO, with better build, picture and sound quality, therefore cost more.
Heinz beans are different, and tastier than cheapy ones, therefore cost more.
With Armani you do pay for the label, but everyone knows that, and I bet they would last longer the George jeans, so cost more.

iRiver (for example) do the same thing as iPod, but at a better quality, and they do much more too, but they are cheaper! Shockerooney!

So it would be like a Beko telly being more expensive than a Sony, or George being more than Armani etc etc......

Most of the internal components that make up a TV are all the same and I can think of many occasions where in fact Sony TV's are a worse quality build than other cheaper brands.
Armani jeans are made in Taiwan or wherever they are made nowadays just like the George jeans are and I happen to think Tesco beans are tastier than Heinz..its all personal opinion..just like you think an Iriver player sounds better than an Ipod....who's right??..what right have you to ridicule my free choice??...you've not lost anything from it.... Its my money and I don't regret for one second my choice....don't you dare try and judge me from a choice I made..shall I assume you to be a tight ar$e because you chose a cheaper version??
If I'm well off aren't I allowed to buy a Porsche???..a Mondeo will still get me from A to B and still last as long!!
I didn't buy my ipod to fit in or follow a crowd..what swung me were numerous reviews that gave it 5 out of 5 almost everytime..and still do.....they can't all be wrong.
I actually agree to a point that they are probably slightly overpriced but something I have discovered over the years that you don't get anything for free..cheap stuff is cheap for a reason be it the build quality, the components inside or something else.

ANGELUS

24-08-2005, 14:53

It comes back to my point again I made further up in the topic-

If you can afford it- you go with Ipod.. if you want to go cheap and save cash, go with another model it really is that simple.

I totally agree with what you are saying Wibbles :)
Praise be, someone who agrees with me for a change!!
Thankyou.

40summat

24-08-2005, 15:17

Originally posted by wibbles
its all personal opinion..just like you think an Iriver player sounds better than an Ipod....who's right??..what right have you to ridicule my free choice??...you've not lost anything from it.... Its my money and I don't regret for one second my choice....don't you dare try and judge me from a choice I made..shall I assume you to be a tight ar$e because you chose a cheaper version??
If I'm well off aren't I allowed to buy a Porsche???..a Mondeo will still get me from A to B and still last as long!!
I didn't buy my ipod to fit in or follow a crowd. [/B]

Exactly wibbles
How can anybody who values freedom of choice argue against this?
The original poster stated they had resisted the pressure from people to sell and buy a pod, Good for them! that's freedom of choice in action, so why then start a thread just to get people arguing about what we already know, And then leave the thread contributing nothing further.

ANGELUS

24-08-2005, 15:20

Originally posted by 40summat
Exactly wibbles
How can anybody who values freedom of choice argue against this?
The original poster stated they had resisted the pressure from people to sell and buy a pod, Good for them! that's freedom of choice in action, so why then start a thread just to get people arguing about what we already know.

... And they were picking on me as well.. being a pod owner!
Sob! :(

Greenback

24-08-2005, 15:34

Originally posted by ANGELUS
If you can afford it- you go with Ipod.. if you want to go cheap and save cash, go with another model it really is that simple.

Or...

If you want to save cash and get a machine that is functionally superior to an iPod (as verified by an array of independent reviews), there are a few options available to you.

If, however, you want something that looks great, is still pretty good as an MP3 player, and aren't too concerned about paying over the odds, get an iPod.

ANGELUS

24-08-2005, 15:35

Originally posted by Greenback
Or...

If you want to save cash and get a machine that is functionally superior to an iPod (as verified by an array of independent reviews), there are a few options available to you.

If, however, you want something that looks great, is still pretty good as an MP3 player, and aren't too concerned about paying over the odds, get an iPod.

Agreed

All apart from the bit about the independent reviews though.. but thanks for letting me know :)

Cardinal

24-08-2005, 18:08

Heh, this started off as the anti-Ipod thread but has been hijacked?!?!? anyway, I'm thkg about getting an MP3 player and am fast coing round to the Creative Zen Touch 20GB model (despite the fact that HDD seems to be a bit inferior to PSS?) - what I'd like to know is: what music download sites do people rate? (as I my want to download as well as burn my own CDs etc)

Ta!! ;)

40summat

24-08-2005, 18:31

Musicmatch music store - windows - 160-Kbps WMA
Realplayer music store - windows - 192-Kbps AAC
iTunes music store - windows / mac - 128-Kbps AAC

Are three decent ones, if you can tell the difference in quality the 160 Kbps WMA encoded will be a better sound than the 128 AAC, i use iTunes with me iPod though and like the site but that's me.

Cardinal

24-08-2005, 21:10

Cheers 40summat.

Mathom

24-08-2005, 22:21

Cardinal - the Zen Touch is ace. Get one! And then get some Creative travelSound speakers (about £40, worth every penny) because they are superb. :thumbsup:

LordChaverly

24-08-2005, 23:19

Originally posted by ANGELUS
It comes back to my point again I made further up in the topic-

If you can afford it- you go with Ipod.. if you want to go cheap and save cash, go with another model it really is that simple.

I totally agree with what you are saying Wibbles :)
Praise be, someone who agrees with me for a change!!
Thankyou.

This is a ridiculous argument. There is no evidence that price is the determining factor with regard to the choice between iPods and other MP3 players. Discerning purchasers are likely to take into account many other factors, such as functionality, sound quality and build. They are also likely to take into account independent reviews of MP3 players. The difference in price between the iPod and other (often superior) players can then be spent on other products, such as a pair of really good cans (although these actually come as standard with the iRiver, as does an FM radio). I agree with Mathom's assessment of the Zen Touch. I have an iRiver (plus two other MP3 players) myself, but I have a friend who has a Zen and its really impressive. Both the iRiver and the Zen are better than the iPod (but if people are happy with it, fine)

floyd77

25-08-2005, 10:23

Agreed - ridiculous argument.

I can afford an iPod, but I wanted the best Mp3 player, so that was iPod off the list pretty much straight away. Although there are better players than my iRiver, the iPod is not one of them! Its not my fault the iPod is worse, and more expensive than my player, just because you were ripped off, no need to get tetchy! Quality was the biggest deciding factor for me, followed by functinality - not cost. I still spent >£200 so if i was that tight would have stuck with a CD walkman.

If you want an iPod, get an iPod - that can be the only reason for buying one. If you want the best Mp3 player, then iPod will be pretty far down the list.

How come no-one else has seen these reviews where iPods get 5 out of 5?? If theyre so numerous why dont you link to a few?

don't you dare try and judge me from a choice I made..shall I assume you to be a tight ar$e because you chose a cheaper version??
If I'm well off aren't I allowed to buy a Porsche???..a Mondeo will still get me from A to B and still last as long!!

If you dont want to be judged, stop posting on an internet forum doofus, and assume all you like, then I can respond and correct you, thats how it works.
Oh and yes buy a Porche all you like, it is actually better than a Mondeo so would be worth spending more on, unlike the iPod which is worse than most of the comparable competition, yet somehow more expensive. Just a bit bitter are we realising you could have got a superior machine, then realising you threw money away because your inferior machine cost more??

Like I've said - get an iPod all you want, but dont say you got it because it was the best, because that makes you either stupid or a liar. The only reason to get one is because you want an iPod because they're 'cool', you're too lazy to research your purchase, or have been sucked in by their marketing campaign.

If youre happy with you iPod fine, Im glad you are, it does do a job after all, albeit slightly worse job than its competitors, but shut the hell up about it and allow me my smug moment knowing mine is better. This is the anti-iPod thread after all. Until you prove that your iPods are better you really cant argue with this.

"But iPods outsell everything" is not an argument by the way. Ford Fiestas out sell Ferraris too - whats your point?

Joelc

25-08-2005, 11:14

I got a Rio Karma, imo the best mp3 player about, its not flashy, the menus are good, has a massive array of features, has RCA line level out on the docking port, networkable, no fuss and no hassle.

Does what it says on the tin, and is damn good at it.

Joel

wibbles

25-08-2005, 11:40

You know Floyd..I respect your argument and views but I still stand by my choice and I am far from bitter about the choice I made..what I don't respect is you resorting to childlike name calling and acting like a child in a playground...I am more than happy to engage you in a fiendly discussion about our personal choices and why we like our own respective players so much but I what I won't do is take anything you say seriously when you act like a little boy.
What I don't understand is why people like you are so against the Ipod..what has it done to you? you've not been forced to own one...you are obviously very pleased with your personal choice..were you abused as a child by one??..do you have recurring nightmares about being eaten alive by one??..I can understand not wanting one or maybe having a slight bothering about one but to get so upset over an mp3 player..that's a bit weird.I don't like the Irivers..or the Creative Zen players but I have a life and my dislike at these players goes as far as saying "I don't like that one"..then I do something else and move on.
I hole heartedly agree that this thread borders on the ridiculous...the original thread starter stated that he/she had another player..didn't want an ipod..(and hasn't owned one) :loopy:
Now I'm off to polish my pod :heyhey: :D...good day

Siân

25-08-2005, 11:46

MOD: Please keep to discussing the merits/disadvantages of ipods & the reasoning behind your opinions rather than making personal remarks about those who hold the opinions.

ANGELUS

25-08-2005, 13:29

I still would like this topic closed now Sian please.
It has deteriorated into insults as you can see above- please can we have it closed :)

nick2

25-08-2005, 13:38

Originally posted by wibbles
Now I'm off to polish my pod :heyhey: :D...good day

Oooh-er missus.

Siân

25-08-2005, 13:44

Originally posted by ANGELUS
I still would like this topic closed now Sian please.
It has deteriorated into insults as you can see above- please can we have it closed :)

Occasionally people get over heated but as long as the warning is heeded there is no reason to close this thread. It seems a reasonable topic to debate to me :)

floyd77

25-08-2005, 14:16

I have nothing agaist you choice 'wibbles', nor am I in the slightest way upset by your views.

How many times do I need to say it - buy what the hell you want, i dont care. Just dont buy an iPod then come and tell me it was because it was the best player. Its not.
Still struggling to provide any links to the numerous '5 out of 5' reviews though I see?

Feel free not to like iRivers, zens or any other make you like. The fact remains that they are still better at what they do than an iPod. That's still my one and only point, any you have been given plenty of reasons to validate that point, all unanswered.

what I don't respect is you resorting to childlike name calling and acting like a child in a playground...I am more than happy to engage you in a fiendly discussion about our personal choices

Hey, theres an idea - why dont you ignore all the arguments with some mock offence. I could care less whether you get personal or not, im typing into a computer screen and am unlikely to go have a cry if a big bad person says something nasty about me.
If you cant handle being called a 'doofus' for acting like one, then i'll apologise, in an effort to keep the thread on topic - probably a futile effort considering your inability to make a salient point.
Why not try sticking to the subject, and cut out the righteous indignation crap which your skillfully using to aviod answering anything.
As i'll no doubt get banned soon, let me finish with....

I dont care if you like your iPod, its perfectly ok, but a complete rip off for what it is. Argue that.

floyd77

25-08-2005, 14:20

.....sulks into sin bin.....wondering who died and made Angelus boss??:confused:

40summat

25-08-2005, 14:55

I'm suprised some people can hear any music at all concidering their head is firmly jammed up their own a***, don't your head phones chafe?
Not directed at anybody personally obviously. but feel free to wear the hat if it fits.

Mathom

25-08-2005, 15:03

Just to introduce a laugh into the proceedings.... wibbles made an uncanny typo and said this was a "fiendly discussion". Heh, indeed. :D

ANGELUS

25-08-2005, 15:53

Originally posted by floyd77

Hey, theres an idea - why dont you ignore all the arguments with some mock offence. I could care less whether you get personal or not, im typing into a computer screen and am unlikely to go have a cry if a big bad person says something nasty about me.
If you cant handle being called a 'doofus' for acting like one, then i'll apologise, in an effort to keep the thread on topic - probably a futile effort considering your inability to make a salient point.
Why not try sticking to the subject, and cut out the righteous indignation crap which your skillfully using to aviod answering anything.

For a start, stop being such an arrogant arse.. I've already said now that this topic should get stopped.. it is going nowhere fast and its decending into name calling and insults, thats why I'm asking for the mods to pull it.

I dont care less basically what you think of the ipod- floyd- you like what you like, there we go thats fine but to call people a 'doofus' and 'lazy' when they post back to you is just childish and your getting to be a pain in the arse now to be honest.

It started out a good topic, before we descended into this.. and no I'm not the boss floyd- god help you if I ever was though.. I dont like name calling in forums at all, it gets us all nowhere fast.

Have a nice day though wont you :)

ANGELUS

25-08-2005, 15:55

Originally posted by 40summat
I'm suprised some people can hear any music at all concidering their head is firmly jammed up their own a***, don't your head phones chafe?
Not directed at anybody personally obviously. but feel free to wear the hat if it fits.

I hope we are not referring to moi? :)
Hope not anyway LOL!

40summat

25-08-2005, 16:09

Originally posted by ANGELUS
I hope we are not referring to moi? :)
Hope not anyway LOL!

Not at all ANGELUS i'm a fellow podder and happy :thumbsup:
I don't feel i need to convince myself nor anybody else in my choice. an Anti-anything thread is not really a debate, just a one sided rant IMO, it could have been worded better and probably would'nt have got peoples backs up.

Greenback

25-08-2005, 16:20

Originally posted by ANGELUS
For a start, stop being such an arrogant arse.. I've already said now that this topic should get stopped.. it is going nowhere fast and its decending into name calling and insults, thats why I'm asking for the mods to pull it.

I'm quite enjoying the banter!

Continually demanding that threads are closed smacks of losing an argument, it has to be said.

mel8592

25-08-2005, 16:49

ipods are great ive got one and i wouldnt be without it

floyd77

25-08-2005, 17:09

"i dont like name calling, boo hoo etc etc"

"floyd, you are a arrogant arse"

Can anyone say 'Double standard'?

You're boring the arse off me, Im glad your all happy with your (inferior, overpriced) iPods. I'm not trying to change your mind, or get you to buy anything.
I'm happy with my iRiver, just like someone else might be happy with what they have - the only difference is we weren't ripped off. You were.

Dont care all you want - Its still true. If you really want the thread close (what makes you think you can is beyond me) call me a good meaty nasty name.

Or

Stop looking at it. :wave:

Tony

25-08-2005, 18:09

Mod:

Right, the next insults that fly will result in a 24 hour ban. That applies to anyone.

You have been warned.

Cardinal

25-08-2005, 20:32

Oh well, the threat worked obviously!! ;)

ANGELUS

25-08-2005, 21:38

Originally posted by Greenback
I'm quite enjoying the banter!

Continually demanding that threads are closed smacks of losing an argument, it has to be said.

Ah dont get me wrong- I dont mind the topic, its just all the bitching going on I dont like- thats why I reckon it should be shut :)

Not because all us ipodders are outnumbered on the thread.. we cant really win the argument really can we- but by eck, we'll have a good go at defending our beloved bit o'kit :)

LordChaverly

25-08-2005, 22:55

Angelus, if you read back through the thread, you will realise the 'bitching' was started in large measure by you. Previous posters had focused on the many weaknesses of the iPod relative to the competition. You on the other hand introduced the ridiculous argument that our opposition to the iPod was motivated by jealousy because we could not afford one. The language in some of your other posts was also confrontational rather than constructive.

ANGELUS

26-08-2005, 07:05

Originally posted by LordChaverly
Angelus, if you read back through the thread, you will realise the 'bitching' was started in large measure by you. Previous posters had focused on the many weaknesses of the iPod relative to the competition. You on the other hand introduced the ridiculous argument that our opposition to the iPod was motivated by jealousy because we could not afford one. The language in some of your other posts was also confrontational rather than constructive.

Then if appeared confrontational rather than constructive- then I am sorry for offending you and anyone else who took it badly :)

Captain_Scarlet

26-08-2005, 07:30

You've got to admit Angelus that you've come up with no tangible arguments to support your opinion...
It's quite raging and head banging when we all took time to search for hard evidence, technical data and all you came up with was "I have one and it does its thing", with additional unrespectful language... The "You don't have an iPod coz you can't afford it" was equaly appaulling.

LordChaverly

26-08-2005, 10:45

Originally posted by ANGELUS
Then if appeared confrontational rather than constructive- then I am sorry for offending you and anyone else who took it badly :)

Thanks Angelus, no offence taken. Keep on posting.

As this is an anti-iPod thread, posters should confine their remarks to the iPod, not to iPod users (for the latter our attitude should be one of sympathy and understanding)

alchresearch

26-08-2005, 11:41

Who said that the thread (or any for that matter) has to be a debate? Why can't we just have a rant against the Ipod without it turning into an argument?

If you want to spout on about how great the Ipod is (without using any references that apply to any MP3 player), start a "I love my Ipod" thread.

Shiesh

27-08-2005, 17:42

Just a bit of a Mickey take out of iPod

iPod Flea (http://homepage.mac.com/ericestrada/Movies/iMovieTheater54.html)

:P

slh73

27-08-2005, 18:29

Better than the Ipod anyday, the Apple PiePod (www.weebls-stuff.com/wab/piepod/)

ANGELUS

27-08-2005, 23:36

Originally posted by Shiesh
Just a bit of a Mickey take out of iPod

iPod Flea (http://homepage.mac.com/ericestrada/Movies/iMovieTheater54.html)

:P

PMSL!! Very good that.. 6 songs you say-- amazing :)

floyd77

29-08-2005, 12:18

Never one to flog a dead horse, but....

Went home at the weekend and my old man showed me his shiny new iPod mini (which he couldnt work) which he then dropped. Now it doesnt work :hihi:

Well built then:thumbsup:

JA5E

29-08-2005, 14:39

Originally posted by Greenback
Got me a very similar device, an RCA Lyra. It's only slightly bulkier than a full-sized iPod, it's a hell of a lot cheaper, and you can watch movies on it.

Greebback, Have you got the Lyra RD2780? If so, what is it like? Just bought one off ebay and awaiting delivery

Zinger549

30-08-2005, 07:47

Originally posted by Shiesh
Just a bit of a Mickey take out of iPod

iPod Flea (http://homepage.mac.com/ericestrada/Movies/iMovieTheater54.html)

:P

lol that's a good one

Greenback

30-08-2005, 10:46

Originally posted by JA5E
Greebback, Have you got the Lyra RD2780? If so, what is it like? Just bought one off ebay and awaiting delivery

Yeah, that's the one. It's pretty good, not as slick as some of the other machines around but it does what i want it to - decent video quality and 20gigs of storage for MP3s. It's super-easy to record straight from DVD to the device, just plug in the relevant lead. Battery life isn't too bad either, as long as you don't have the screen light set too brightly.

I used it a lot on a recent holiday and it really came into its own.

ANGELUS

01-09-2005, 12:25

I've just seen something that cheered me no end- and this is to all you ipod haters and creative lovers!!

Creative players shipped with worm?

31 August 2005 17:12 by Dela
[picture]Creative has made a statement confirming that some of its Zen Neon portable music players, about 4,000 in total, have shipped accidentally with the "W32.Wullik.B@mm" worm. These 4,000 players were all sent to Japan. The windows worm dates back to 2003. It is a mass-mailing worm. On the player, there is an infected file but Creative has said that users would have to browse through the device's filelist and click on it while connected to a PC in order for it to affect the machine.

Full news report here- http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/6790.cfm

Looks like Creative arent that good after all then eh!!
Yay!! Ipod, Ipod, Ipod!

So for me thats Creative out of the equation, now for iRiver..

ANGELUS

01-09-2005, 12:37

Some more interesting facts I've just found as well:

Currently Apple's iPod has about 80% of the MP3 player market

Firstly a company would have to make a product that has the same effect on customers as the iPod did. Apple's iPod has both a classy look and simplicity. Creative Labs is the leading competitor to date. It's products are critically acclaimed, mainly the Zen Vision which has support for digital video files. Creative currently has about 9% of the market. However, a much bigger company with a strong global brand identity is required to dethrone Apple.

9% of the market-- bless... just no comparison really eh!

Tony

01-09-2005, 13:45

... and Ford are the worlds biggest car manufacturer. It all makes sense now.

floyd77

01-09-2005, 13:59

Originally posted by ANGELUS
9% of the market-- bless... just no comparison really eh!

Glad to see you sticking with same old non-argument, some people have no staying power these days.......

.....bit like an iPod battery in that way :thumbsup:

Go find an argument!

nick2

01-09-2005, 14:40

Originally posted by ANGELUS
9% of the market-- bless... just no comparison really eh!

It's like how many people read The Sun compared to how many read The Times.

Zinger549

01-09-2005, 15:15

Originally posted by nick2
It's like how many people read The Sun compared to how many read The Times.

yer true

ANGELUS

01-09-2005, 20:19

Originally posted by floyd77
Glad to see you sticking with same old non-argument, some people have no staying power these days.......

.....bit like an iPod battery in that way :thumbsup:

Go find an argument!

Whoah whoah whoah there!!
Lets not go comparing tech specs again shall we..

I think after creative is sending out viruses on their hardware .. I dont think they are in any position to take top spot from Apple do you- and this whole Ipod battery crap once again....
Who actually told you about the battery.. or was it 'the media' again???

Hmm wonder where the 'legend' and I say 'legend' of the dodgy ipod battery came from I wonder eh? -- Hmm maybe its a rival company putting out bad publicity to make their products seem better?? Just could be eh :)

LordChaverly

01-09-2005, 21:05

Originally posted by ANGELUS
Whoah whoah whoah there!!
Lets not go comparing tech specs again shall we..

I think after creative is sending out viruses on their hardware .. I dont think they are in any position to take top spot from Apple do you- and this whole Ipod battery crap once again....
Who actually told you about the battery.. or was it 'the media' again???

Hmm wonder where the 'legend' and I say 'legend' of the dodgy ipod battery came from I wonder eh? -- Hmm maybe its a rival company putting out bad publicity to make their products seem better?? Just could be eh :)

It is no legend. The original iPod batteries were crap and non-replaceable. Indeed, this resulted in a class action lawsuit which is still ongoing (see second url). Apple's 'dirty little secret' with regard to the iPod was exposed by two brothers, who made a film about it (see first url).

http://www.ipodsdirtysecret.com/

http://playlistmag.com/news/2005/08/26/settlement/index.php

Incidentally, Apple's penchant for ripping off its customers was also exposed more recently, when outraged customers in the UK found that they were being charged substantailly more for downloading iTunes tracks than in France or Germany (the EU Commission has threatened Apple with legal action because of this).

Mathom

01-09-2005, 22:01

I read this the other day:

Creative wins MP3 patent (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4198360.stm)
:P

Pseudonym

02-09-2005, 03:09

What it boils down to is: The Public has been Indoctrinated!

Thanks to the vast power of the Apple publicity machine, to the average member of the general public, an MP3-Player IS an iPod, pure and simple, the terms are now virtually interchangeable in the public mind.

What is annoying to me is the way that the public has been fooled into believing this. Those of us who have had a relatively long-term interest in, dare I say it, downloading mp3s from the Net and also have sufficient knowledge and understanding of the meaning of specifications, realise that there are other mp3-players available, many representing far better value.

Some of us have taken the time and trouble to research what is out there and have invariably come to the conclusion that the iPod is, despite being highly-priced, nonetheless what can only be described as a mass-market device, designed expressly to appeal to those who value simplicity of form and function above all else and who all too frequently, believe the Apple hype surrounding it.

In summary, the iPod, whilst being far from the best in terms of value for money in my opinion, is certainly the most successfully marketed mp3-player to date... And regrettably, is likely to continue to be so for some considerable time yet.

floyd77

02-09-2005, 09:06

Originally posted by ANGELUS
Whoah whoah whoah there!!
Lets not go comparing tech specs again shall we..

Why, because it always makes your 'wonder machine' look bad per chance?

"iPods sell well, so they are the best" Thats the entire basis of your argument, and so very obviously flawed I cant believe you cant see it. You are sticking to it like a man possesed, which in some circumstances would be commendable, but for the love of God - why???

The iPod is an inferior Mp3 player when compared to other similar players on the market. It is grossly overpriced for what it is. Im sure many people sucked in by the iPod hype are very happy with it, as it does play mp3's. Doesnt make it the mutts nuts though.

Still waiting for these mythical '5 out of 5' reviews of the iPod, or are we not worrying about that any more because it was made up :suspect:

alchresearch

02-09-2005, 11:50

Originally posted by ANGELUS
I think after creative is sending out viruses on their hardware

That's nothing. Apple are sending real life bugs in their iPods:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/09/02/ipod_infestation/

ANGELUS

02-09-2005, 20:45

Originally posted by floyd77
Why, because it always makes your 'wonder machine' look bad per chance?

"iPods sell well, so they are the best" Thats the entire basis of your argument, and so very obviously flawed I cant believe you cant see it. You are sticking to it like a man possesed, which in some circumstances would be commendable, but for the love of God - why???

The iPod is an inferior Mp3 player when compared to other similar players on the market. It is grossly overpriced for what it is. Im sure many people sucked in by the iPod hype are very happy with it, as it does play mp3's. Doesnt make it the mutts nuts though.

Still waiting for these mythical '5 out of 5' reviews of the iPod, or are we not worrying about that any more because it was made up :suspect:

I never said I had seen any 5/5 reviews for ipod?? (In fact- yes I have - try the bottom link!-- you've been beat !!)

But I can show you these review sites if you want further proof that my beloved pod is the best- if they are any good for you?

http://reviews.cnet.com/Music/4521-6532_7-5021434-3.html?tag=dir.temp
CNET- Voted Ipod top player!

http://www.consumersearch.com/www/electronics/mp3-player-reviews/
Look at what the top 3 mp3 players are- surprise surprise- the order goes 1. Ipod 2. iRIVER 3. Ipod again!!

http://shopping.yahoo.com/s:MP3%20Players:browsename=All%20MP3%20Players:ref spaceid=37532665;_ylt=AiB2CEiVGOgVuIlldyB1HOV9c1YB ;_ylu=X3oDMTBramZsZ2tiBF9zAzM3NTMyNjY1BHNlYwNibmF2
What player comes out on top- with 5 stars...
Oh my god in heaven- its an Apple Ipod..
(If it does not work- do a search for mp3 players when you click the link and go to all MP3 players- check out the list, the pink ipod scores 5*)

Should I carry on??
Maybe you are still wrong eh! :)

spyro2000

02-09-2005, 22:40

Have you tried all of the different MP3 players ANGELUS?

Ive not tried many, but out of the ones I have tried id say the IPOD was the worst one compared. Especially for the price it retails at.

floyd77

04-09-2005, 16:34

Originally posted by ANGELUS
http://reviews.cnet.com/Music/4521-6532_7-5021434-3.html?tag=dir.temp
CNET- Voted Ipod top player!

Hmmmm.....compare a 60 gig ipoo photo to a 20 gig OLD version iriver. Very fair.
and oh look, user ratings give it 4 out of 10, and 6 out of 10 - only 1 looney giving it 9 out of 10 (you by any chance). This is basically saying its the best version of the iPod, not the best mP3. Oh yes - Cnet - highly respected music afficionados.

http://www.consumersearch.com/www/electronics/mp3-player-reviews/
Look at what the top 3 mp3 players are- surprise surprise- the order goes 1. Ipod 2. iRIVER 3. Ipod again!!
They're not even in any order, its all the top rated players! And comparing 30gig ipod to 20 gig iriver, very fair again. Oh and what this......

From the same review of the iriver "It also can play the secure WMA music you buy from most online music stores (the iPod cannot). While reviewers say iPod still wins on interface and ease-of-use, the H320 has more features and (according to reviewers) better sound, with more defined highs and lows, plus a boatload of equalizer settings. Several experts say the H320 is the best choice "

http://shopping.yahoo.com/s:MP3%20Players:browsename=All%20MP3%20Players:ref spaceid=37532665;_ylt=AiB2CEiVGOgVuIlldyB1HOV9c1YB ;_ylu=X3oDMTBramZsZ2tiBF9zAzM3NTMyNjY1BHNlYwNibmF2
What player comes out on top- with 5 stars...
Oh my god in heaven- its an Apple Ipod..
(If it does not work- do a search for mp3 players when you click the link and go to all MP3 players- check out the list, the pink ipod scores 5*)

Nope doesnt work. Followed your instuctions though, and 20g ipod gets 4 stars, the 20 gig iriver has no rating.

Should I carry on??
Maybe you are still wrong eh! :)

Mayb you should carry on - you have convinced me of nothing - except that you're struggling a bit and grasping at straws, a view shared by others by the looks of things. No maybes, you are wrong.

Try comparing like for like next time though - I would expect a 60g Ipoo to get a better rating than a 1g anything else.

nick2

08-09-2005, 09:03

This, however, I do like :

http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/ukstore.woa/90601/wo/DRGODVZrQNLS2QjSE9h04q0PxYV/1.0.0.15.1.0.6.9.1.1.0.1.0.0.0.1.0

ANGELUS

08-09-2005, 09:38

Here we go again... (from the apple haters that is :))
'It looks ****, its not as good as iriver-Creative etc..)

But it will probably sell double what any other major brand will!!
Go Apple :thumbsup:

Floyd77

I give up sometimes with people.
You told me you wanted to see some *5 reviews for the ipod.
I gave you them.. you said its only *4

I have now taken a screen grab of the site- just for you to see what a *5 player looks like http://xs45.xs.to/pics/05364/5starproof.jpg

Proof enough now?
I've even circled the one it is for you as well just in case you cant see it on the screen.. its the pink one - with 5 stars next to it!

nick2

08-09-2005, 10:06

There is also this to consider : http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/images/neeon_spread.jpg

floyd77

08-09-2005, 14:08

Originally posted by ANGELUS
Floyd77

I give up sometimes with people.
You told me you wanted to see some *5 reviews for the ipod.
I gave you them.. you said its only *4

I have now taken a screen grab of the site- just for you to see what a *5 player looks like http://xs45.xs.to/pics/05364/5starproof.jpg

Proof enough now?
I've even circled the one it is for you as well just in case you cant see it on the screen.. its the pink one - with 5 stars next to it!

Yeah, very trustworthy. A 'screen grab' because you couldnt provide a link. Even if it was true, why does a pink (iPod mini, not a proper one) one get a better rating than a blue or silver one?? Is it maybe because they dont know what the hell they're on about??
And no-one said anything about being Apple haters, we just dont have our heads as far up their arse as you do.

Well, even if you do find a staggering 1 review giving an iPod top marks - your ignorance and sheer stupidity has bored me to tears, so I'm giving up.

You've told me Ipods are great so many times it must be true. You've not managed anything near a half decent argument, but what the hell. Enjoy your decidedly mediocre Mp3 player, hope you have lots of fun with it.
If you ever want a really good piece of kit - come ask they guys who know what they're talking about, not the ones who've seen an ipod advert.

ANGELUS

08-09-2005, 18:04

Not being funny- are you a bit of a spaz or what?

I gave you a link before to the 5* review and apparently you couldnt open it, so I posted a screen grab unaltered from the website.

If you can get round to looking properly the link is- and I'll make it easy for you so even you can understand it:

1.
Go to this website - http://shopping.yahoo.com/

2.
In the box called 'Search' - Type in using your keyboard MP3 PLAYERS and hit the big return button.

3.
On the left hand side of the screen where it says 'Refine Results for MP3 Players, click on where it says See all 92 brands..

4.
Scroll down the list when it comes up and you will see- by golly by gosh- an Ipod with 5* rating.

Case closed sherlock!

How much more help do you need- or are you just too thick to look?

I'm beginning to think so really!

ANGELUS

08-09-2005, 18:07

Originally posted by floyd77
Well, even if you do find a staggering 1 review giving an iPod top marks - your ignorance and sheer stupidity has bored me to tears, so I'm giving up.

You've told me Ipods are great so many times it must be true. You've not managed anything near a half decent argument, but what the hell. Enjoy your decidedly mediocre Mp3 player, hope you have lots of fun with it.
If you ever want a really good piece of kit - come ask they guys who know what they're talking about, not the ones who've seen an ipod advert.

Your giving up because you lost your argument when you said I could not find a *5 review for an Ipod, which I have now proved.

Apple Ipod is the best mp3 player and will continue to be so.. stick to buying **** poor copycats... when it all goes wrong for you, dont come on here complaining about it.

Come and ask the guys who know what they're talking about??
Oh me so sorry! I stand corrected... maybe I've just proved what a dumbass you really are- and you really dont know that much about MP3 players really do you :)

Zinger549

08-09-2005, 19:46

Originally posted by ANGELUS
Your giving up because you lost your argument when you said I could not find a *5 review for an Ipod, which I have now proved.

Apple Ipod is the best mp3 player and will continue to be so.. stick to buying **** poor copycats... when it all goes wrong for you, dont come on here complaining about it.

Just cos it got a 5* review deos not mean it's the best mp3 player lt's of players got 5* reviews

Iriver H-320
Features

2" color TFT display for viewing photos and eBooks

Supports all common audio formats, such as MP3, WMA and OGG Vorbis

A USB On-The-Go (OTG) function uploads pictures straight from digital cameras or exchanges data with other mobile products

Room for over 10,000 (5,000*) titles or masses of other data

Built-in radio featuring real-time MP3 encoding

Drag and drop file transfer

USB connection direct to digital camera to download photos

Direct encoding enables you to record without the need for a computer

FM Radio

MP3, WMA, Ogg Vorbis, ASG, JPEG, BMP, TXT Support

And £195 on dabs.com so more features than an I-Pod and cheaper Than an I-pod.

the add ons for the I-pod are about 30-40pounds Iriver are the no1 mp3 players. Why do you think Apple lowered the prices of the mp3 players HMMMMMMM ah yes people realised that they were being ripped off by Apple and that they could get a cheaper and better Mp3 player for less. rio Carbon 5gb £120, I-pod Mini 4gb £140-170 costs more but has one gb less. Do you know how much it's costs to replace the IPod it aint cheap.

MR Ipod owner thinks Ipods are the best because there very
popular. People buy them because they see others holding a Ipod. They don't look at price or features they just buy it. then tell the world that they have the best Mp3 player. I have a philips Hdd060 1.5 gb mp3 player and i love it it's small light a perfect for what I need. Mr Ipod owner tells me it's rubbish and that I should of got and ipod. Mr ipod hasn't read reviews of other mp3 players or tested other mp3 players he just think that he knows best. I mean since when did a mp3 player need a sock a protective case mayby but a sock:confused:

floyd77

08-09-2005, 20:48

Originally posted by ANGELUS
Your giving up because you lost your argument when you said I could not find a *5 review for an Ipod, which I have now proved.

No, im giving up because of your ignorance and sheer stupidity, which I've already told you, and you have just reinforced.

If you had a brain you'd be dangerous.

superted666

08-09-2005, 22:44

This seems like a typical british response.

When ipods were new on the scene and had virtually 0% market share(the underdog) then they were so cool and everyone wanted one but as with nearly everything in the UK we love it till its popular then all of a sudden it becomes cool to hate and choose another underdogg.. creative etc.

there will always be people who aspire to claim all things popular crap. Happens to most IT products :)

floyd77

09-09-2005, 00:48

Originally posted by superted666
This seems like a typical british response.

When ipods were new on the scene and had virtually 0% market share(the underdog) then they were so cool and everyone wanted one

The underdog against whom exactly?

ANGELUS

09-09-2005, 09:13

For once I have to agree with the apple haters on this topic below:
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/6814.cfm
Itunes Phone

It just is a waste of money for a phone that lets you keep 100 songs on it! - Oh goody :)

I dont like it.. i'll stick to my ipod thankyou very much apple :)

superted666

09-09-2005, 16:55

Struggling to think back but i think sony mini disks had the market share back then apple helped bring mp3 up to be the standard

Zinger549

09-09-2005, 17:02

just seen apples new advert http://www.anti-apple.wyw.ca/Anti-Ads/mac_hitler.jpg

PS check out http://www.anti-apple.wyw.ca/Archives.htm

click on music then i tunes music store funny thing:hihi:

E-Man Groovin

09-09-2005, 17:52

Originally posted by Captain_Scarlet
OMg ! I knew iPods were expensive, but not that much ! 300 quid BLX !

You can get (as I always repeat myself) get iRiver or Creative for less, and better qualité !

I thought the iPod Shuffle was the dumbest idea ever, the first MP3 players had a shuffle mode to start with, but inventing a player that ONLY does that is just looney !

Wrong iPod 20Gb is £209, iPod 60Gb is £299.

I had an old 3rd gen 15gb now I have a new colour iPod 60Gb. Love them both. Especially the accessories like my iTrip. Haven't tried any other player, but my iPod was quite affordable and I love it. Why should I look at another player?

superted666

09-09-2005, 20:25

HAHAHAHA i just looked at that anti apple sight.

OMG some people have no lifes!
just lost the plot me thinks

Zinger549

12-09-2005, 18:30

Originally posted by superted666
HAHAHAHA i just looked at that anti apple sight.

OMG some people have no lifes!
just lost the plot me thinks

yer some people just have no life but hey who Am I to say

probedb

13-09-2005, 21:52

iPod Nano on the way :) Can't wait, so small and perfectly formed....and it only cost £4 more than my earphones!! Who needs food anyways?

ToryCynic

13-09-2005, 22:37

QUOTE:

Originally posted by ANGELUS:

9% of the market-- bless... just no comparison really eh!

Quoted by Nick 2:
It's like how many people read The Sun compared to how many read The Times.

Surely that should read "can read The Sun"?

:D

P.S: Where's my post on here gone?

ANGELUS

14-09-2005, 08:54

Originally posted by superted666
HAHAHAHA i just looked at that anti apple sight.

OMG some people have no lifes!
just lost the plot me thinks

Exactly :thumbsup:

If they hate the Ipod so much- why do they have to set up a website proclaiming their hate for it???

Baffles me sometimes- maybe it could be Jealousy that they dont own one?

Phanerothyme

14-09-2005, 10:03

Originally posted by ANGELUS
Exactly :thumbsup:

If they hate the Ipod so much- why do they have to set up a website proclaiming their hate for it???

Baffles me sometimes- maybe it could be Jealousy that they dont own one?

it's not an anti-ipod site, it's an anti Apple site.

Funny how you don't get (to my knowledge) quite so much anti-pc bile from Apple Users in the form of satirical sites.

They were a bit daft, IMO, to make the iPod phone with motorola and call it the ROKR - it's lame and apple afficionados will see that. Pity, as Jobs could have scored another winner if he'd got Ive and co to design a phone from the ground up. Would like to have seen that.

floyd77

14-09-2005, 14:03

Originally posted by ANGELUS
Exactly :thumbsup:

If they hate the Ipod so much- why do they have to set up a website proclaiming their hate for it???

Baffles me sometimes- maybe it could be Jealousy that they dont own one?

How many times - no-one is jealous of you or your iPod. If someone doenst have an iPod, chances are what they do have is superior.

Instead of continually re-posting the same crap, why not come up with something meaningful to say, or are you just trying to inflate your post count or something. Please say something to convince me you are not SheffieldForums dumbest member.

floyd77

15-09-2005, 10:42

Just to be fair ;)

The other one got closed down, methinks someone must have asked the mods to close it down after they finished crying.

So, to kick things off - whats good about the iPod?

Well, it makes you look cool to shallow folks.

next?

Craigy

15-09-2005, 11:17

It.. urmmm plays music :clap:

nick2

15-09-2005, 11:35

They look nice.

ANGELUS

15-09-2005, 11:57

Originally posted by floyd77
Just to be fair ;)

The other one got closed down, methinks someone must have asked the mods to close it down after they finished crying.

So, to kick things off - whats good about the iPod?

Well, it makes you look cool to shallow folks.

next?

Just to make sure nobody is pointing the finger at moi- I was not the one who asked for it to be closed in the last instance.
I did ask for it to be closed ages ago but it remained open :)
I think when you look back at the anti-ipod topic, you yourself Floyd77 got it killed by being insulting to most of the people who posted on there, namely me- looking at the last post from you- so you've done my work for me cheers :thumbsup:
Thanks for that!!

Well since we have cleared that up and remembering the positives about the ipod.

1. It looks great- the best looking of all the mp3 players out there.
2. Its small
3. Its light
4. It sounds great- the headphones are a bit poo though
5. You can get it laser engraved
6. Itunes software works like a dream
7. You can podcast!
8. You can get lots of tools to use on the ipod
9. An ipod bible - for those of you who are religious
10. You can put pictures on it- photo version and view them- you can put photos on the old version but cant view them.
11. Battery life is great on the ipod

Phew.. I think thats most of the positives for the moment!

Can I just ask that we dont have a repeat of the last ipod topic which got closed down- positives only on this one :)

RPG

15-09-2005, 12:03

For anyone who doesnt want to use the crapness that is iTunes:

www.ephpod.com

I use this mesen, and its very useful!

Phanerothyme

15-09-2005, 12:05

Originally posted by ANGELUS

7. You can podcast!

Does it have a line-in (record) option for you to make podcasts from?

I may be mistaken, but I think not.

spyro2000

15-09-2005, 12:07

Originally posted by floyd77

So, to kick things off - whats good about the iPod?

I cant think of much thats good about it that hasnt been said already.

alchresearch

15-09-2005, 12:12

Their owners are usually a type who are easy to wind up!

Cyclone

15-09-2005, 12:13

the new ipod nano is the cheapest flash based player per Gb.
And it does look extremely cool.
Shame about the requirement for crappy software, rather than letting me drag and drop.

spyro2000

15-09-2005, 12:15

Originally posted by Cyclone
the new ipod nano is the cheapest flash based player per Gb.
And it does look extremely cool.
Shame about the requirement for crappy software, rather than letting me drag and drop.

Can you not do a simple drag and drop with Ipods then?

I didnt know that. Thats a big downer imo. Im looking for a new player an did consider buying a pod, but not if I cant do a drag and drop :(

Off to Archos I go ;)

Cyclone

15-09-2005, 12:16

Originally posted by spyro2000
Can you not do a simple drag and drop with Ipods then?

I didnt know that. Thats a big downer imo. Im looking for a new player an did consider buying a pod, but not if I cant do a drag and drop :(

Off to Archos I go ;)

you can set up an area as file store, so you can drag and drop to that. But it won't play music that you drag into there.
To play it it has to be loaded through itunes or something that replaces it.

ANGELUS

15-09-2005, 12:17

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
Does it have a line-in (record) option for you to make podcasts from?

I may be mistaken, but I think not.

Dunno, probably not- not that I can be arsed with Podcasting though :thumbsup:

spyro2000

15-09-2005, 12:19

Originally posted by Cyclone
you can set up an area as file store, so you can drag and drop to that. But it won't play music that you drag into there.
To play it it has to be loaded through itunes or something that replaces it.

Nope, sounds too much like hard work to me.

I will not be getting an Ipod. Ill have a shop around to see what else there is.

40summat

15-09-2005, 12:19

This is all going to end in tears!:shakes:

In for a penny in for pound,

http://www.podcastingnews.com/archives/2005/09/buy_an_ipod_get.html

Bet you don't get these with your other mp3s.
I love mine, i like the look of some of the newer alternatives too but i'd still have another pod.

absynthfairy

15-09-2005, 13:37

A good ipod alternative is the zen micro - personally I think they look a lot nicer - my sister swears by hers.

floyd77

15-09-2005, 13:53

Thats where i was going wrong with the last thread - I should have asked what was good about the iPod and got you to tell me how crap it is!

:thumbsup:

Another plus, my dad dropped his and it fell to bits (not that he knows how to work it anyway) and it only took 3 and a half weeks to be sent the replacement!

So you spotted my thinly veiled accusation then Angelus?:heyhey: Apologies, I probably did get it closed myself, but you really were starting to Pee me off!
All forgotten now - your chance to shine now in this thread, you will have no more derogotary comments from me!

nick2

15-09-2005, 14:05

It realy would be nice if Ipods played MP3's, if I did get one I can't help thinking that the quality of my existing MP3's will be further reduced by re-encoding them again into Apples format, not to mention the hassle of keeping two versions every track then, one for the Ipod and one for windows media player.

Cyclone

15-09-2005, 14:23

Originally posted by nick2
It realy would be nice if Ipods played MP3's, if I did get one I can't help thinking that the quality of my existing MP3's will be further reduced by re-encoding them again into Apples format, not to mention the hassle of keeping two versions every track then, one for the Ipod and one for windows media player.

they do, always have done. :suspect: :thumbsup:

ANGELUS

15-09-2005, 14:27

Originally posted by floyd77
Thats where i was going wrong with the last thread - I should have asked what was good about the iPod and got you to tell me how crap it is!

:thumbsup:

Another plus, my dad dropped his and it fell to bits (not that he knows how to work it anyway) and it only took 3 and a half weeks to be sent the replacement!

So you spotted my thinly veiled accusation then Angelus?:heyhey: Apologies, I probably did get it closed myself, but you really were starting to Pee me off!
All forgotten now - your chance to shine now in this thread, you will have no more derogotary comments from me!

I can give you bad points about the ipod no worries!

1. Deffo replacement time- it does take a long time from Apple.
2. The screen- drop it and your done for!
3. Scratches- mine's got more scratches on it than a catpost
4. Needs defragging a lot- for some reason mine slows down after a while and needs a good defragging to give it a kick up the arse!
5. You cant use WMA's

I thought in some way you might be accusing me :thumbsup:

Bit of a confession though- I kind of coaxed you into insults so as to get the thread shut as it was beginning to ground down into insults and people were getting wound up.. and you played along nicely so thankyou :) No offence like!
Its just all a matter of mind games.. and being a bit devious!!