View Full Version : Why is it people shun certain dog breeds


FallenAngel6
18-03-2010, 13:21
I've always heard stories about Rotties, staffys, dobermans, greyhounds etc...but i have actually never met a nasty one of any of those breeds. Admittedly i never considered one for our family but i've had someone contact me about a beautiful pet greyhound that they need to find a new home for, and shes perfect on the lead and great with kids yet whenever i mention greyhounds people tend to think...hmmm greyhound, be careful they're nasty.

I know that you have to be careful with them around smal animals but how can the dog get to them if they are locked in the shed in the winter and supervised by you in the summer...

Its more of the fact that these breeds are locked away for crimes they havent commited...they dont get a comfy sofa to curl up on, constant fuss and a fun loving family...cause they are bred over and over again and it makes me so angry...

i wouldnt trust a rottie or staffy or doberman with my daughter my daughters still yound and i need a dog with ALOT of patience. but every rottie and doberman ive met have been the sofftest slobbering bundle of love i've ever known....

Why do people black lable them...DOGS can attack people but have you looked in the news lately and the sick twisted things a human being can do...

Sorry needed to rant...

Starlet83
18-03-2010, 13:41
In fairness fallen you have black labeled a whole range of dogs there as you dont believe they are patient.

My Staff is the most patient loyal animal ever and will be dressed up by our 4 year old cousin. I have 2 friends both with Greyhounds and young kids who do not have a problem at all with them, yet I hear of ones who cannot be left alone for a second and have to constantly wear a muzzle. The thing is you get good and bad in every breed.

If you You Tube Rotties and Staffies etc etc you will fond some fantastic vid's showing the fantastic nature of these dogs.

I have been bit twice in my life with dogs both times by collies, and I have a springer at mums who I would never let near a child as she has a problem with people being at eye level and finds it a threat. Yet generally her nature is fantastic. We had a collie when I was growing up who was not good enough to work and would spend all his time rounding up anything that moved including me or my sister.

People shun because of past experiences and the media.

And to go to your point about how will the dog get to your buns, if it wants to it will, they can get through chicken mesh if they are strong enough just as a fox would. Not all dogs will but if they want to very little is impossible and even under supervision a slip in your concentration is all they need. One of mums Springer x collies will follow the cat round all day if he gets the chance, he never forgets where he last saw her and he is a pro at opening gates and doors if its not padlocked he will get in.

Every one has a different idea but thats just mine!

FallenAngel6
18-03-2010, 13:48
Your right starlet and i didnt mean to black label those breeds its just the type of dogs i hear people constantly going on about being bad dogs and i dont understand why?

Its like i said to my mum its not the breed its the personaity of a dog...every dog has the abiity to be nasty just as it has the ability to be a star.

The wood is prety solid and althouh the lock isnt finished yet ive reinfored it myself...theres a fence getting put up in front of the shed no matter what breed of dog i get...

Just wish people would stop giving dogs a bad name...

bogwoppit
18-03-2010, 14:32
I know plenty of greyhounds (inc ex racers) that live perfectly happily with cats.

We think our dog is a lurcher (labrador cross grey hound) and she lies in the garden with bunnies hopping over her and on her bed when the rats are out and is no problem at all. As to the cat she totally ignores him - last night we went to a friends house and her kitten thinks it's really fun to jump on Luna from a great height - Luna's response was to lay down and ignore her!
I really don't think you can tell the tempremant of a dog until you get it home - particularly not if it's from a kennels. In my experience dogs are giddy and excitable and just desperate for love when they've been cooped up for a while. On first impressions our 2 year old Lurcher and 9 year old staff could have had exactly the same personality on that first day but couldn't be further from the truth.
I highly recommend fostering so you can get an idea of a dog before you commit to it.
Good luck, oh yeah and don't judge a dog by it's cover, go completely on temprement, we wanted a lab so found Luna (who is crossed with a grey hound we think) but she's nothing like a labrador whereas Gruffler the staffy (a breed I never got on with) is faithful loving, playful and very calm - the qualities I used to associate with labs!

libuse
18-03-2010, 15:31
whenever i mention greyhounds people tend to think...hmmm greyhound, be careful they're nasty.

Do they?? I've honestly never heard that comment before. Whenever people who don't know anything about greyhounds ask about mine, the two stereotypes I come across are 1)that they are very lazy and 2) that they make suprisingly great pets (the first one is true, the second one I think depends on what you want in a pet) but I've never, ever heard of anyone who thinks that they are nasty?

I can understand that a greyhound (well, a retired racer anyway) might not be the right dog for someone who has rabbits, depending on the prey drive of the dog. Certainly I wouldn't have mine anywhere where there are rabbits hopping about, but I have to say that your comment that there is a "nasty" stereotype around them has really suprised me

vwkittie
18-03-2010, 15:47
I've never heard anyone say they think greyhounds are nasty either!

They are my absolute favorite dogs, I love them to bits and really, really want one. Or two! When I was a teenager I used to help out at an animal sanctuary and they had retired hounds there and I just fell in love and have wanted one ever since, so basically wanted one for oohhh 10 years plus now.

I thought I might be able to finally get one now (as I now have my own home with garden, lurcher loving other half etc), but with petrol prices as they are I'm now left wondering if I can actually afford the necessary lunchtime home visit :(

I think with breeds like rotties etc it is just a fact that when one goes bad, it will be very bad due to the dog's size and strength, so everyone hears about it. If a little yappy toy dog had the same upbringing it might be equally vicious and nasty but nipped ankles don't make the news, dead children do. And people will tend to sterotype anything really, it's part of human nature I suppose :(

SpeedDemon
18-03-2010, 15:59
Greyhounds aren't usually nasty. I had 2 ex racers - they were daft n very lazy, fantastic with people but unfortunately were VERY bad with cats. People do listen to the media, but it's also down to personal preference. I really don't like bull terriers, staffy or english, and would never have one. But i love rotties, GSD's n dobies. I guess everyone's tastes are different and that has to be a good thing. Noticed another influx of staffy puppies hangin out with the kids / chavs on our estate over tha last coupla weeks. Makes walking my dogs a nightmare because these kind of people hold no control over their dogs and teach them no manners (I'm not saying all staffy owners are like that, but most of the ones round here are)

SUE89
18-03-2010, 16:48
I've never ever had anyone say to me that greyhounds are nasty! I've got 4 of my own and a foster dog and never complete a walk without someone stopping me to cuddle them. Two of mine are muzzled because they can be funny with other breeds even though I keep them on a lead its suprising how many people allow their offlead dogs to come up to them so its for my peace of mind that I choose to muzzle them. They are the gentlest dogs in the house,so quiet and loving. How many breeds of dogs could you have 13 in te same house? We go away with Anna who posts on here and all our dogs go together, you couldnt get a nicer bunch:love:

shazatko
18-03-2010, 17:07
i think that the majority of dogs can be harmfull to any one or animal if they have been brought up that way inclind, as to us not knowingly played with our rotti x with teddies mainly the fluffy kind she use3d to either sleep happily or chew them but when taunted with it by the kids she would rag it about to us its just a toy and ahe was playing, you dont seem to think on these things til some thing goes wrong when you can think back and see who it was that made her do it in the first place, unfortunatly for us she got hold of our very much loved bunny as she was out the majority of the time (the bunnny) my styep daughters were chasing bugs around the garden the dog got out and did the same but she got her and just ragged her about she had been out with her before and never done anything but as we look back on bad things we see that it was down to us we lost bugs so now we dont let her near the little fluffies anymore. but she is the best thing any1 could want shes great with the kids its just like having an extra 1 around really. but it is down to us the owner to be blamed in the way they act.

Purrball
18-03-2010, 17:10
It's really just fear of the unknown for the most part I think. The temperaments of individual dogs are different but once you personally encounter either a good example or a bad example of a breed I think that becomes the point you generalise on.

People are more fearful of the bigger and more powerful breeds because on the occasions that they do attack they are capable of more damage. The media doesn't help, a story about a staffy attacking someone is news but I am pretty sure if I got attacked tomorrow by a labrador they wouldn't consider it much of a story, it would just be a one off.

When you say you wouldn't have a staffy because you want a dog with a lot of patience you're really doing the same kind of shunning. Staffies, as a breed, are generally pretty patient when it comes to children. However until I had met one I wouldn't have believed it for myself.

I have always been wary of rotties and german shepherds because the sum total of my experience of them had always been walking past snarling barking guard dogs, however having walked a few for rescues I have totally changed my views, met a couple of utter softies I'd have rehomed myself in a second!

Darkstitch
18-03-2010, 17:18
People shun certain breeds because they believe all that 'devil dog' rubbish they read in the papers or see on the news.

When I was deciding on a breed of dog I considered a rotti and an English Bull Terrier (I bloody love them) But I didn't like the reputation that came with them. If I even brought the breeds up people would tell me that they're nasty and will kill our other dogs >:( Load of rubbish if you ask me, in the future I'll gladly own one or more of these dogs

medusa
18-03-2010, 17:31
I think that people have an impression about greyhounds being nasty if they've seen racers being walked with muzzles on- muzzle= vicious brute ;) or in some instances as overheard from passers by, k9bridle=muzzle=vicious brute, which couldn't be further from the truth. It's a snap judgement when it comes to greyhounds, bearing in mind that the wearing of the muzzle is a legal requirement and nothing to do with whether the animal is nasty.

Greyhounds are (apart from their 10 minutes of seriously impressive speed a week) generally the laziest dogs I know!

ami_j
18-03-2010, 17:37
if anything staffies have the UPMOST patience with kids. they arent called nanny dogs for nothing

FallenAngel6
18-03-2010, 18:03
I few family members think they are not good pets i think what meusa said is right it tends to be cause they wear a muzzle.

I honestly im afraid of staffies but thats not cause their nasty dogs its cause ive been practicaly ha every horror story under the sun told me about them...BUT im more terrified of akitas since i had one pin me against the wall..i dont hate akitas but i dont trust them.

Just cause im nervous of a dog doesnt mean i hate them or wouldnt stroke them or would say they a need to be put down...Its just that im nervous.

GrinderBloke
18-03-2010, 18:07
I think that people have an impression about greyhounds being nasty if they've seen racers being walked with muzzles on- muzzle= vicious brute ;) or in some instances as overheard from passers by, k9bridle=muzzle=vicious brute, which couldn't be further from the truth. It's a snap judgement when it comes to greyhounds, bearing in mind that the wearing of the muzzle is a legal requirement and nothing to do with whether the animal is nasty.

Greyhounds are (apart from their 10 minutes of seriously impressive speed a week) generally the laziest dogs I know!

Legal requirement to wear a muzzle?

10 minutes! Yours must be marathon runners ;-)

libuse
18-03-2010, 18:12
I think that people have an impression about greyhounds being nasty if they've seen racers being walked with muzzles on- muzzle= vicious brute ;) or in some instances as overheard from passers by, k9bridle=muzzle=vicious brute, which couldn't be further from the truth. It's a snap judgement when it comes to greyhounds, bearing in mind that the wearing of the muzzle is a legal requirement and nothing to do with whether the animal is nasty.

Greyhounds are (apart from their 10 minutes of seriously impressive speed a week) generally the laziest dogs I know!

I wonder if its also because people are (in my experience) very surprised about how big greyhounds are? Maybe thats why they might seem scary? But I have to say, its a new one on me, I've never known anyone apart from people who are generally scared of all dogs be scared of greyhounds

medusa
18-03-2010, 18:20
Legal requirement to wear a muzzle?

10 minutes! Yours must be marathon runners ;-)

Racers which are still registered to race must be walked in a muzzle (or so I was told by someone walking a few racers recently). It's to do with the perceived risk of them chasing and harming small animals with them being trained to chase furries, rather than them being nasty dogs.

GrinderBloke
18-03-2010, 19:16
Racing greyhounds must be muzzled when they leave racing kennels/ registered premises, as a precaution against intimidating or hurting wildlife or other stock, also so that the dog cannot eat anything whilst out of kennels. Racing greyhounds are tested for drugs and if the dog had eaten something whilst out of kennels this could be used an excuse for drug test failure. For this reason it is a requirement of the racing board that dogs are muzzled when off registered premises.

We got our greyhounds from The lincolnshire greyhound Trust (http://lincolnshiregreyhoundtrust.com) approx. 3 out of every 10 dogs LGT rehome go to live with cats. A dog which has been bred for chasing obviously needs some help adjusting to not chasing but it does work. Both ours are not cat friendly, we knew this before we adopted them, as we don't have cats that not an issue for us.

Our are always walked on leads or harnesses, so do not get the chance to chase wildlife or domestic animals, when we first got each of them we used muzzles until we got to know their characters. They never wear them these days, but we do keep them, just incase.

Retired greyhounds make fantastic pets, but they do take a lot of sofa space ;-)

Grinder

libuse
18-03-2010, 20:07
Our are always walked on leads or harnesses, so do not get the chance to chase wildlife or domestic animals, when we first got each of them we used muzzles until we got to know their characters. They never wear them these days, but we do keep them, just incase.

Retired greyhounds make fantastic pets, but they do take a lot of sofa space ;-)

Grinder

Mine is always walked on a lead as well, because she has a strong prey drive and also a tendency to bolt when nervous (which she often is) but I haven't muzzled her for a long time.

I know what you mean about the sofa, I'm writing this sitting on the floor while 4 very long hound-legs stretch out on the sofa behind me (and the head that is fastened to them has made a lovely nest for herself in the cushions) :)

CHEZZFAYE
18-03-2010, 20:23
i understand people being a bit funny with rotties because i am 9 due to some very nasty 1s i have met, however i used to be a groomer and had 2 rotties come in my shop on a regular basis 1 of which couldnt be groomed by any1 but me and i loved him to bits.

as for the other dogs i have a staff and gsd and a 1yr old son, both dogs are brill with him he climbs on them and takes things off them under supervision of course. and my dad has a dobe and bullmastiff and both his dogs are the exact same as mine.

every time i have been bit was by either westis or yorkies when i was grooming never by any of the other breeds you mentioned

PrincessKate
18-03-2010, 20:26
Our GSD x staffie (RIP) he used to love rabbits and just watch them or clean them when they came near him (all wild no pets) yet when it came to rats (wild) he would catch at least one a day from the field next to us and leave it as a present lol

Yet our 2 dogs now kill and eat loads of wild rabbits and we cant control it, yet these are staffie crosses too, they are daft as a brush there is good and bad in everyone and everything just some stuff sticks :(

Berkana
18-03-2010, 20:35
I have to say I'd never heard of greyhounds being nasty thing either. In fact I remember obsessively watching "Pet Rescue" for years when I was young n they had retired greyhounds on quite a lot n they always said what a lovely breed, gentle, lazy breed they are.

I used to have a GSD x greyhound n he was the sweetest, gentlest dog you could ever meet. And the biggest whimp in the world!! If anyone in the house got angry/shouted or he heard loud noises (fire works etc) he'd come n jump on my knee :hihi: And he used to play with my little dutch rabbit... they used to push a football round together. When the rabbit died, Brindle laid next to her grave every day for a couple of weeks, bless him.

CHEZZFAYE
18-03-2010, 20:35
Our GSD x staffie (RIP) he used to love rabbits and just watch them or clean them when they came near him (all wild no pets) yet when it came to rats (wild) he would catch at least one a day from the field next to us and leave it as a present lol

Yet our 2 dogs now kill and eat loads of wild rabbits and we cant control it, yet these are staffie crosses too, they are daft as a brush there is good and bad in everyone and everything just some stuff sticks :(
my mums collie x has killed loads of rats in her garden, yet never harmed any of my pet 1s that used to be out of the cage with him and he used to sit in the cage with our rabbit and eat its food

Moonbird
18-03-2010, 21:01
my mums collie x has killed loads of rats in her garden, yet never harmed any of my pet 1s that used to be out of the cage with him and he used to sit in the cage with our rabbit and eat its food

I believe that this is the difference you see, dogs are quite clever enough to work out that the ones that they live with you do not allow them to kill, but anything outside the family group is fair game.

I brought an adult male lurcher into my house who's history was totally unknown as he was a stray, he has never chased a cat here at all, he loves kittens but not as much as they love him for some reason :hihi: he has even been in the same room as free running rabbits with supervision of course and he knows not to do a thing, I would never trust him unsupervised though.

Outside is a different matter, I would hate for him to see a cat because I absolutely know he would chase...and then hmm well not a good outcome me thinks, he chases squirrels and won't come back :( and has killed a wild rat, some have a high prey drive some do not and that is the thing to be most careful of in my opinion.

Greyhounds are generally very gentle and lazy once they reach maturity, they can be jumpy and a bit timid so they generally do not like boisterous behaviour, and most would not enjoy really loud lively and boisterous children, but then a lot of dogs would be the same.

Of course all dogs are individual and I guess that there exceptions to every rule :D

CHEZZFAYE
18-03-2010, 21:11
i no that my dogs know who the boss is, if i bring something strange into the house they have to shut up n put up lol.

as for the collie x the rabbit was in the same garden as wher he kills the rats, my mum let him out but 4got to shut the rabbit in 1st. she thought he would have killed it when she realised the hutch was open but he was sat in ther with the rabbit between his front legs both of em eatin rabbit food lol daft dog

FallenAngel6
19-03-2010, 07:54
What age does a greyhound generally start being more relaxed?

do you know what the collie was crossed with? We had a collie and he was fine with the cat and her kittens but he was always trying to chase the other cats outside. We had a cat a couple of rows over and it kept tormenting our dogs, then it started tormenting the next door neighbours Akitas...not a smart move hope its not still doing it :(

carpetviper
19-03-2010, 11:38
Our GSD x staffie (RIP) he used to love rabbits and just watch them or clean them when they came near him (all wild no pets) yet when it came to rats (wild) he would catch at least one a day from the field next to us and leave it as a present lol

Yet our 2 dogs now kill and eat loads of wild rabbits and we cant control it, yet these are staffie crosses too, they are daft as a brush there is good and bad in everyone and everything just some stuff sticks :(

I dont suppose you have any pictures of him I have a staffy x GSD and she looks like a mini alsation with a wide head