The council are planning on closing down Ringinglow Road Fire Station, and moving the appliance to Edlington near Doncaster. This leaves the South West of Sheffield severely unprotected should fires arise. The nearest station would become Greenhill, which is quite a way from the areas previously covered by Ringinglow, and this also only has 1 appliance so if it is busy and there is then a fire in the South West, it will be an awfully long wait for the fire engine.

The South West of Sheffield is being increasingly neglected by a Labour council interested only in feathering its own nest of Labour wards in other areas of Sheffield. I read last night an article in the Star where the council are wanting to "even up" the balance of affluence across the city. They don't seem to like the fact that the more affluent people tend to live in the South West. The argument was that it was bad for the city - in other cities, the wealthier people moved away to the countryside, not to the suburbs. Surely this argument is flawed - it is better having wealthier people within the city boundaries and thus supporting the housing market and the local economy, as well as paying council tax. It seems that the council wish to neglect this part of the city and concentrate all of their spending on their own wards - for example, a proposed road safety scheme on Ringinglow Rd, where there is a junior school, has been dropped so that the money can instead be used elsewhere in the city. Do people in the south west not pay their council tax? The way this council treats them, you wouldn't think so.

That will be a nice building plot! As for you make sure batteries in um smoke detectors o.k. if not make um signal with blanket... like this.. waft waft ..waft.. If all else fails Rivelin not too far away and more beutifull area...HOW

Agreed T020 - this is about realising the development value of the site, not maintaining fire safety.

I live just down the road from ringinglow fire station.
It is a reassuring noise at night hearing the little engine chugging up and down the road.
I best make sure that I have my escape rope handy.
It seems a little more than just coincidence that recently the development of new housing in this area is in full swing. Next the fields will be full of these over priced cardboard houses.
I'll give it a year before the buldozes are in.
:mad:

Originally posted by pete10uk
I live just down the road from ringinglow fire station.


Im also not that far away.

Ive just layed my hands on the Lib-Dem Focus that comes thought my door.

If you want to see the proposals goto www.syfire.org.uk or a paper copy of the plans for Ringinglow Fire Station can be obtained by calling 2532436 or you can write to Liberal Democrat Campaign to Save Ringinglow Fire Station FREEPOST NEA 11900
85 Nethergreen Road Sheffield S11 7ZZ

Which stations that are going to provide cover if Ringinglow closes? Rivelin and City Centre?

Originally posted by Tony
Which stations that are going to provide cover if Ringinglow closes? Rivelin and City Centre?

Greenhill from what I've heard. Inadequate at best.

I have had a look through the Fire Service report and it refers to Ringinglow being in an area of “relatively low risk” but does not mention response times – merely the level of fire risk.

It’s fair to say that the risk will go up commensurately when the fire engine leaves, making the report is out of date, but Edlington will then have a low risk which makes it all ok for us that used to benefit from the Ringinglow fire station but are now in a high risk area.

as the majority of incidents dealt with by firefighters tend to be vehicle crashes rather than fires.doesn't it make more sense to site fire crews nearer motorways than out in the sticks. why don't the fire crews park on the parkway ready for action instead of going to bed wish i could get paid for sleeping!

I am fed up with this thread!
What does it matter if Ringinglow fire station is relocated?
The authorities know better than you do.
They have to balance social needs with economic restraints.
Why are you all so concerned?
Do you all smoke in bed and fall asleep?

Originally posted by fatjohn
I am fed up with this thread!
What does it matter if Ringinglow fire station is relocated?
The authorities know better than you do.
Surely the idea of a forum is for us all to discuss matters that we are interested and concerned about?

Fair enough, the autorities do have a better idea of cover required than the every day person in the street, but they also have budgets to make use of and if they find a way to cut corners they often do, even at the public's expense.

The Ringinglow firestation is offering a service to those in the area that if it's moved will not be as efficient to the locals as it was. In other words if the firestation is removed then the response time to save someone from a burning building will increase for those people in the immediate area.
The time it takes to get an engine and crew to that building may still be under the 'acceptable times' as set by someone along the line, but in most cases of a house fire fatalities are prevented by a quick response. So where someone could be saved at the moment by the firestation providing a 5 minute response because it's local to them, they may not be so lucky when the next nearest firestation takes 10 minutes to respond because it's further away.

This is just a thought, but I can see why the people living local to this station may be concerned. In effect this is reducing the level of cover they have from the fire service. Fair enough they still have cover, but overall it will take longer to arrive should the Ringinglow station be closed.

Originally posted by fatjohn
Why are you all so concerned?
Do you all smoke in bed and fall asleep?
There are many ways a fire can start, taking fire safety seriously is nothing to mock and the fact that these people are concerned is good. Hopefully it means they have been responsible in their fire prevention and that they may not suffer the misfortune of being caught in a house fire.

Thanks lalaland, couldn't have put it better myself. If that idiot isn't happy with the thread he could always not read it. The only thing I would like to add to your comments are that as well as response times increasing, back-up will be less too - meaning if the 1 fire engine at Greenhill is in use and a fire occurs in the area previously covered by Ringinglow Rd, there is no local back up - the next nearest would then have to come from the town centre at an even greater response time, again, presuming they have a free fire engine.

And fatjohn - not all fires are due to peoples carelessness around the house. Accidents will always happen, such as unforeseen electrical faults, so it *WAS* nice to know that there was a nearby fire engine ready if such an unfortunate event occurred.

There is a petition going around on this one - I certainly signed it some weeks ago.

Does anyone know who is organising it - could the forum provide a focus for objection and maybe an on-line petition (and get some new menmbers on the way)?

Maybe my posting was a little cavalier.
This was because I feel some previous postings were too derisory about a decision, which would not have been easy to make and would not have been taken lightly. I also felt that some comments made within these postings were mischievous and unfortunate. Sometimes difficult decisions have to be made in the interests of all the communities involved.

Originally posted by Tony
There is a petition going around on this one - I certainly signed it some weeks ago.

Does anyone know who is organising it - could the forum provide a focus for objection and maybe an on-line petition (and get some new menmbers on the way)? The one I signed was in Chocolate Bar on Ecclesall Road.
Not sure who's in charge of it all though.

Originally posted by lalaland
The one I signed was in Chocolate Bar on Ecclesall Road.
Not sure who's in charge of it all though.

Willy Wonka might be in charge but you might need to check with other forum members dont take my word for it.


Geronimo, daft.

Originally posted by Mr BusDriver

If you want to see the proposals goto www.syfire.org.uk or a paper copy of the plans for Ringinglow Fire Station can be obtained by calling 2532436 or you can write to Liberal Democrat Campaign to Save Ringinglow Fire Station FREEPOST NEA 11900
85 Nethergreen Road Sheffield S11 7ZZ

Heard the other day one of the firefighters had given an interview to the local media. In it he said the South Yorkshire Fire & Rescue Service could become the South Yorkshire Fire & Body Collection service if this move goes ahead.
Was this a tad extreme?

Over 6,000 sign petition (http://www.sheffieldtoday.net/ViewArticle.aspx?SectionID=58&ArticleID=732124) to oppose the closure of Ringinglow Fire station. Well done to everyone who signed.

Have we heard on this one yet?
I thought it was going to be decided upon at the end of Jan.
I should be able guess the outcome as these things seem to be 95% decided befor we are told.
:(

I'm writing an article about the closure. What do we all think?

I didn't know it was closing!

What reasons have been sited for the closure!

I drive by this station when I visit Forge Dam!



:)

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5550

Originally posted by t020
http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5550

Thanks t020...what an old thread - you have a great memory :thumbsup:

not before time - if its unefficient to have it there then they probably know best. Wouldn't be this much fuss if it was Elm Lane that was closing - the residents of Sheffield West wouldn't give a damn,

Oh dear is this going to go downhill on a typical Sheffield class issue!!

Mind you if your in the South west or the east of the city if you don't have a fire station you might be dead. Thats the important issue.

KEEP RINGINGLOW OPEN

check your smoke alarm batteries and keep the insurance documents safe just in case.

its not like they are going to abandon firecover in the entire area is it? fear mongerer

Maybe we should have more yobs around here to set fire to wheelie bins, abandoned cars, empty houses, etc. That would keep the fire station busy enough to remain open.

Originally posted by t020
Maybe we should have more yobs around here to set fire to wheelie bins, abandoned cars, empty houses, etc. That would keep the fire station busy enough to remain open.

typical t020 going down the only road he knows best:gag: of course they dont have yobs doing such nasty things do they ?

there is no crime in the South West - FACT
the neighbourhood watch would never stand for it :)

Of course there is, just a lot less. It's a sad fact that, city wide, the fire department spend a large amount of their time on deliberate arson attacks to property. It's ironic that the fact that the south-west sees a lot less of this type of crime could result in the "reward" of having its fire station taken away. It's a shame that one day it will cost a life.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Internetowl
[B]check your smoke alarm batteries and keep the insurance documents safe just in case.

Easy way to remember to change your batteries is on your birthday each year.

Originally posted by t020
It's a shame that one day it will cost a life.

There is no way of proving that comment eitherway...its just typical scaremongering...unless you're going out and about with a petrol can , causing satistics is there?

Originally posted by Internetowl
There is no way of proving that comment eitherway...its just typical scaremongering...unless you're going out and about with a petrol can , causing satistics is there?


It's pretty obvious that less fire engines in the city = higher response time. This will inevitably cause fatalities, one day.

Mod: Threads merged. Thanks for the link T020.

Internetowl, good oneliners but for some reason full of class hate. A commnity should be protected by the Fire service no matter if poor or richer!!!


Explain to me and others here how by taking Ringingow away the people at that side of the City are safer and better protected?


Maybe your oneliners are glib but the fact is SHEFFIELD will have one less fire engine. My undersanding is that Ringinglow also covers for the whole of the city at times, so even your poorer areas that you seem to think have greater need of protection will have a worse service!!

Originally posted by isaidthat
Internetowl, good oneliners but for some reason full of class hate......

I will stick up for Internetowl on this (which is a rarity). I think you will find the original post of some time ago was no less in its scathing of areas outside of SW Sheffield becoming affluent.

This isn't just about having a fire station for some people, its about keeping others down aswell

Incase you missed the original post here it is.

Originally posted by t020
The council are planning on closing down Ringinglow Road Fire Station, and moving the appliance to Edlington near Doncaster. This leaves the South West of Sheffield severely unprotected should fires arise. The nearest station would become Greenhill, which is quite a way from the areas previously covered by Ringinglow, and this also only has 1 appliance so if it is busy and there is then a fire in the South West, it will be an awfully long wait for the fire engine.

The South West of Sheffield is being increasingly neglected by a Labour council interested only in feathering its own nest of Labour wards in other areas of Sheffield. I read last night an article in the Star where the council are wanting to "even up" the balance of affluence across the city. They don't seem to like the fact that the more affluent people tend to live in the South West. The argument was that it was bad for the city - in other cities, the wealthier people moved away to the countryside, not to the suburbs. Surely this argument is flawed - it is better having wealthier people within the city boundaries and thus supporting the housing market and the local economy, as well as paying council tax. It seems that the council wish to neglect this part of the city and concentrate all of their spending on their own wards - for example, a proposed road safety scheme on Ringinglow Rd, where there is a junior school, has been dropped so that the money can instead be used elsewhere in the city. Do people in the south west not pay their council tax? The way this council treats them, you wouldn't think so.

Originally posted by poppins
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Internetowl
[B]check your smoke alarm batteries and keep the insurance documents safe just in case.

Easy way to remember to change your batteries is on your birthday each year.

No good for me that piece of advice - I'm usually very, very drunk on my birthday so every year I would either forget or do myself a mischief falling off a stepladder/chair in the process....so my piece of advice.....

Get a mains smoke alarm fitted with rechargeable battery back up!!

:hihi:

Originally posted by 1Man&hisBMW

This isn't just about having a fire station for some people, its about keeping others down aswell


No it isn't. It's about adequate fire protection coverage for ALL, not just those living inside Labour voting council wards.

Look I don't care where the class issue comes from it is wrong on both sides, everyone deserves a adequte fire service. This will mean 1 less fire engine for the WHOLE of Sheffield rich and poor. So can you all stop bikering about class politics and unite to keep a fire engine and fire station no matter where it is in Sheffield.

Here is a map showing where the fire stations in South Yorkshire are (http://www.syfire.org.uk/Internet/SYork/syfrs.nsf/AboutUsSysDisplayLocalFireStations/$first?OpenDocument). If you click on the station names you get some information (statistics, t020 :thumbsup: ), including how many times the appliance was mobilised during 2004.

Ringinglow (1 fire engine)
Primary Fires 130
Chimney Fires 2
Small Fires 59
False Alarms 297
Special Services (RTAs & other Emergencies) 97

Maybe there is an argument for closing a fire station in that part of Sheffield but in that case, they need to consider whether the remaining fire stations are best located to provide cover to the area. My view is that if Ringinglow does close, Low Edges should be re-located to provide cover. I find it odd that we have fire stations at Low Edges and Mosborough that are very close to the county border.

Originally posted by feederfil
as the majority of incidents dealt with by firefighters tend to be vehicle crashes rather than fires.doesn't it make more sense to site fire crews nearer motorways than out in the sticks. why don't the fire crews park on the parkway ready for action instead of going to bed wish i could get paid for sleeping!


I presume you're not familiar with Ringinglow Road and, not far away, Rivelin Valley Road?

If it's car crashes you're after then these two roads put the likes of Sheffield Parkway well and truly in the shade.

I agree with T020, that's it's our council playing politics and another case of looking after the core vote than the more affluent and less-likely-to-vote Labour voters in the South West.

surely the engines off Rivelin Valley road will cover incidents on Rivelin Valley Road - so its not a great example...

Sorry to pull this back up, but for anyone interested in this topic there is a South West Area Panel meeting being held at Bents Green Church next Wednesday 16th 7.30 - 9.00pm.
Included will be a presentation from the SY Fire and Rescue Service giving proposals for the Ringinglow Fire Station.

I'm not interested in the affluence banter but am concerned that my parents house will no longer be protected by a local fire service.

I will sign any petition going etc.

Originally posted by bulldog D
Heard the other day one of the firefighters had given an interview to the local media. In it he said the South Yorkshire Fire & Rescue Service could become the South Yorkshire Fire & Body Collection service if this move goes ahead.
Was this a tad extreme?

of course it was

as for the comments about what if the appliance at Greenhill is out ? the city centre station is multi appliance - not sureif rivelin isn't as well

have you never heard of standby or dynamic deployment? - where uncovered statiosn are covered by appliances from a multi -appliance station travelling to and standing by at the empty station when the first appliance is out on a call?

a fire station - like an ambulance station is just a garage - the importance for service provision is making sure that people with an emergency are reached within a sensible and approrpaite time

Originally posted by t020
It's pretty obvious that less fire engines in the city = higher response time. This will inevitably cause fatalities, one day.

except of course the fire service in comparision with the other 999 services is extremely under used - because of the potential for a single catastrophic event - which are once a decade if not once a life tiem events

Originally posted by zippy
except of course the fire service in comparision with the other 999 services is extremely under used - because of the potential for a single catastrophic event - which are once a decade if not once a life tiem events

So what? The response time to fires previously served by the Ringinglow station will still increase massively and potentially cost lives. Try telling a family who loses their kids in a fire because of this closure than the fire service is under used so it's all ok.

are you fixated with people burning to death? it is your only argument...

Originally posted by t020
So what? The response time to fires previously served by the Ringinglow station will still increase massively and potentially cost lives. Try telling a family who loses their kids in a fire because of this closure than the fire service is under used so it's all ok.

a 'massive ' increase - hardly - no part of the UK has 'massive' response times anyway - ever the most rural parts of the Uk look at fire response times in the realms of 20 minutes ( assuming peopel can be bothered to volunteer their time as retained )

as has been stated previously there are a number of SYFRS stations adjoining the area - so there might be a small area which sees a comparitively large CHANGE in response time - i.e. those within spitting distance of the station .... -

good fire safety makes a fire in the home an extremely rare event -

poor fire safety - poor smoking practices, an insistance on 'open' deep frying , dodgy DIY wiring .... is mainly down to human factors in the equation.

there is also the issue of the passive fire safety improvements in materials, somke detectors and so on ....

Originally posted by t020
The council are planning on closing down Ringinglow Road Fire Station, and moving the appliance to Edlington near Doncaster.

A typical hysterical and factually inaccurate post from t020.
Since when did the council operate and run fire stations and fire engines t020?

As a paid up member of the Conservative party, surely it is beholden upon you to get your facts right? South Yorkshire Fire & Rescue Service are the responsible authority, not the council.

I recognise this an old thread that started before I joined SF, but now that it has a new lease of life, I'm pleased to be able to provide t020 with the correct information. And, t020, if you are not prepared to take my word for it - check the precept on your council tax statement.

so what happens if the ringinglow appliance is at a shout when another shout goes up, where does the appliance come from then ? or should each station have more than 1 appliance each in case of emergencies ?.

Originally posted by redrobbo
A typical hysterical and factually inaccurate post from t020.
Since when did the council operate and run fire stations and fire engines t020?

As a paid up member of the Conservative party, surely it is beholden upon you to get your facts right? South Yorkshire Fire & Rescue Service are the responsible authority, not the council.

I recognise this an old thread that started before I joined SF, but now that it has a new lease of life, I'm pleased to be able to provide t020 with the correct information. And, t020, if you are not prepared to take my word for it - check the precept on your council tax statement.

The information was correct at the time for the original plans (or at least they were represented as such in that ever reliable source of information - the Sheffield Star).

Originally posted by zippy
a 'massive ' increase - hardly - no part of the UK has 'massive' response times anyway - ever the most rural parts of the Uk look at fire response times in the realms of 20 minutes ( assuming peopel can be bothered to volunteer their time as retained )

as has been stated previously there are a number of SYFRS stations adjoining the area - so there might be a small area which sees a comparitively large CHANGE in response time - i.e. those within spitting distance of the station .... -




I think many parts near the Ringinglow Station will see a significant increase in response times, particularly if another appliance (say, the one at Greenhill) is busy. 1 minute can be a "massive" increase when it comes to saving lives from fires.

If the Ringinglow fire station is not needed - why was it built in the first place? Which twit had it built?

'Ringinglow (1 fire engine)
Primary Fires 130
Chimney Fires 2
Small Fires 59
False Alarms 297
Special Services (RTAs & other Emergencies) 97 '

It doesn't seem underused to me.

No, the real reason is so obvious - sell the site for a profit but deny this is the reason and blind people with spurious arguments about cover from other stations. Are there any fire stations in low land value areas being closed?

I expect the Chief Fire Officer is dribbling at the thought of the land sale. We're on to you matey.

Originally posted by redrobbo
A typical hysterical and factually inaccurate post from t020.
Since when did the council operate and run fire stations and fire engines t020?



Red you are being a tad economical with the truth in your implication that the council has nothing to do with our fire service as this clearly shows (http://www.syfire.org.uk/Internet/SYork/syfrs.nsf/0/F9A45E3648557D8780256FA500583693/$file/AppC.pdf?OpenElement)

Of course there is political involvement. Why did Clive Betts 'intervene' at the 11th hour just before the general elction re Mosborough Fire Station?

I'll leave forum members to draw their own conclusions.

Can I point out to Mo that Clive Betts MP did not just get involved at the 11th hour as you said, but was consulted and responded to the Year 2 Integrated Risk Management Plan. Just as he responded to the year 1 plan and will respond to the year 3 and further plans when there are implications to the Attercliffe Constituency.

Originally posted by Mo
Red you are being a tad economical with the truth in your implication that the council has nothing to do with our fire service as this clearly shows (http://www.syfire.org.uk/Internet/SYork/syfrs.nsf/0/F9A45E3648557D8780256FA500583693/$file/AppC.pdf?OpenElement)

Of course there is political involvement. Why did Clive Betts 'intervene' at the 11th hour just before the general elction re Mosborough Fire Station?

I'll leave forum members to draw their own conclusions.

Hi Mo :wave:

If you re-read my post I clearly stated that it was not the council who were proposing this closure, but the South Yorkshire Fire & Rescue Service.

Your link to the Joint Authority South Yorkshire Fire & Rescue Service members clearly proves my point. It is made up of council members appointed by Doncaster, Rotherham, Barnsley and Sheffield councils.

The members of this Joint Authority will make decisions on any proposals for restructering the service. But, it is not the council who are making these proposals - which is what t020 claimed in his original post.

Red

Does anyone know what happened at last Wednesday's public meeting. Has a decision been made yet regarding the station?

It's in the city's most affluent area; a petition with something like 16,000 signatures was presented at the meeting. Residents were justifiably worried about its closure.

The Fire Brigade aired their concerns for the closure of Ringinglow.

Of course, it had to go didn't it?

Money talks and this is a sad day for common sense.

A typical hysterical and factually inaccurate post from t020.
Since when did the council operate and run fire stations and fire engines t020?

As a paid up member of the Conservative party, surely it is beholden upon you to get your facts right? South Yorkshire Fire & Rescue Service are the responsible authority, not the council.

I recognise this an old thread that started before I joined SF, but now that it has a new lease of life, I'm pleased to be able to provide t020 with the correct information. And, t020, if you are not prepared to take my word for it - check the precept on your council tax statement.

Whooaaa! Hold on there cowboy! Before you accuse him of being hysterical let's see some facts starting with a list of the Members of the South Yorkshire Fire and Rescue Authority shall we?

Cllr G Furniss Sheffield (LABOUR)
Cllr I Hussain Sheffield (LABOUR)
Cllr P Lakin Rotherham (LABOUR)
Cllr N Troops Doncaster (LABOUR)
Cllr P Scriven Sheffield (LIBERAL DEMOCRAT)
Cllr J R G Smith Barnsley (CONS)
Cllr P White Sheffield (LIBERAL DEMOCRAT)
Cllr F Wright Rotherham (LABOUR

They may not be the Sheffield Council as an individual body, but they all look like councillors to me. There isn't anybody on the Authority that isn't a councillor. It is completely true to say that the S Yorks Councils are responsible for the Authority.

The faces behind the names (http://www.southyorks.org.uk/fire/authority.htm)



And before we so any further let's see how much the Members received last year for being Members of the SYFRA:

J Andrews.... £17,353.88
B Belcher.... £851.73
P Bartlett.... £32,404.34
J Bird.... £7,907.72
M Cuthbert..... £3,384.00
S Hardy.... £973.35
I Hussain.... £2,603.08
G Furniss.... £2,393.12
P Lakin.... £6,389.92
J Mounsey..... £3,384.00
M Nazir.... £1,972.67
S Redford.... £1,449.87
P Scriven .... £6,458.28
P White.... £3,285.00
F Wright.... £3,000.00
Total.... £93,810.96

Money paid to Members last year (http://www.southyorks.org.uk/fire/allowances%20paid.htm)
Approved allowances for Members (http://www.southyorks.org.uk/fire/allowances%20to%20be%20paid%202005.htm )

This in addition to the 'allowances' that they receive as elected councillors in their respective Local Authorities. Incidentally, I may have misunderstood, but it appears that the Chair received thousands more than the approved allowance. :confused:



Let's now remember where the SYFRA gets it's money from:

Local Taxpayers... 18m
Revenue Support Grant... 22m
Business Rates... 14m
Other Income... 0m
Reserves.... 1m
Total.... 55m

The finances of the Authority (http://www.southyorks.org.uk/fire/finance.htm)



NOW can you seriously tell us that the Councils and Councillors don't carry any responsibility for the closure of Ringinglow Fore Station?

This is about realising land values, not providing fire cover, and the elected members are being duplicitous.

has anyone seen the plans for the site yet? My guess would be 'apartments' for the rich or maybe the council are going to stick a bail hostel on the site rather than in 'council' estates for a change. Share the burden a bit :)

Try telling a family who loses their kids in a fire because of this closure than the fire service is under used so it's all ok.

I do not believe what I have just read :o

I think I'll read it again just to be sure:

Try telling a family who loses their kids in a fire because of this closure than the fire service is under used so it's all ok.

Wow :wow:

t020 actually cares about other people.

Do you think we've finally gotten through to him, or is it just a temporary phase he's going through?

Can somebody please make him a honorary member of the Socialist-worker-reading, anti-capitalist, liberal-dogooding, lefty-PC brigade before he has a change of heart :huh:

ignoring your argument about money, wealth and areas of sheffield....................I agree with the following statement:

"The council are planning on closing down Ringinglow Road Fire Station, and moving the appliance to Edlington near Doncaster. This leaves the South West of Sheffield severely unprotected should fires arise."

..and believe the fire station should remain where it is. :)

typical t020 going down the only road he knows best:gag: of course they dont have yobs doing such nasty things do they ?

last year the local community centre wheelie bin was set on fire by youths, if this had not been delt with quickly by the ringinglow station it could have burnt down, as for yobs every area has them to a degree.

bet the yobs who burnt the bin used 'designer' fuel ;)

bet the yobs who burnt the bin used 'designer' fuel ;)

At the very least, I'd expect it to be Premium unleaded from Shell or BP, which would have a higher octane level than what the peasants would fill up with at Jet or Save petrol stations.

Or solid-rocket fuel?

Today is the last day for Ringinglow Fire Station.

Tomorrow it's closed and fire engines will have to travel from Low Edges or the City Centre to cover the SW of Sheffield.

Make sure your smoke detectors are working.

Today is the last day for Ringinglow Fire Station.

Tomorrow it's closed and fire engines will have to travel from Low Edges or the City Centre to cover the SW of Sheffield.

Make sure your smoke detectors are working.

Really sad article about the closure in the Telegraph this week.

And you know, not all of us over this side of town are swimming in money you know. The digs about 'designer fuel' etc are getting a bit tired.

Rininglow Fire Station closed today at 09:00 hrs.

Red Watch finished the last night shift this morning.

Cover will now be split and provided by Rivelin Fire Station,
Central Fire Station and Low Edges Fire Station.

Having worked for the SYFRS for over 5 years, I don't
believe that people in the Ringinglow area need to be
concerned about the cover they will receive. Both Lowedges
and Central Fire Stations are 'high prority stations' and
it may interest you to know that the Ringinglow Fire Engine
spent most of its time at Central & Low Edges covering
those areas. Rivelin is a fairly quiet station there is plenty
of cover available.

Dont get me wrong - I dont agree with the decision and
think its largely a financial/political one!

Im just saying that people in the South West of the City
need not loose sleep because of it.

The main problem in this job is that people generally
asume that if they have a fire it will be the engine from
the nearest station that will be sent - this is rarely the
case and engines are constantly being moved around
the county to provide adequate cover.

A really sad day for the sheffield public :-)

Im sure the station will be missed.


:(

Anyone know how much longer would be added to the response times for engines travelling from the new covering stations to say a property near the closed station? Apologies for my ignorance, but I'm not entirely sure of the area.

Yep absolutely gutted pertitioned twice to keep it open. My mates dad works there well did work there and they provided a good service to the area. One of the worst desicions made by the council.

The main problem in this job is that people generally
asume that if they have a fire it will be the engine from
the nearest station that will be sent - this is rarely the
case and engines are constantly being moved around
the county to provide adequate cover.

Although that is very true and its coz of that reason that the whole service is messed up. Getting other service stations to cover areas that are no where near them. If the ringinglow fire station were still open and i had a fire now it would be a fire engine from town that comes to my house. Even though i live in the ringinglow area and it would take 5 mins for an engine from the local station to turn up. It would take one from town 15 to 20mins to get here by that time i could be dead. What an utter joke i could die in a fire just so the council can save a few quid.

Anyone know how much longer would be added to the response times for engines travelling from the new covering stations to say a property near the closed station? Apologies for my ignorance, but I'm not entirely sure of the area.

other than a small area aroundthe station respopnse times will be little different, certainly once you reach the point of half way between onestation and any other it makes little difference.

it has also been stated that the appliance from ringinglow was likely to be on standby at another station for a reasonable maount of the time.

Demolished over the weekend, just the lookout tower remaining standing, an a couple of low walls

All demolished today!

Does anyone know what is going on there!

Duffem

Houses.....

Have you seen any plans?

Duffem

All demolished today!

Does anyone know what is going on there!

Duffem

Yep - building houses. Is the board still there advertising some "executive low quality houses"? I registered my complaint about building here on the Sheffield planning website. Stated that it was hardly preserving the spirit of the green belt if they were going to keep allowing low quality houses to be built there. Besides, I always wanted that site for my Huff house ;)

There's been a lot of digs on this thread about the money in this area. But I think people are hitting the nail on the head - 4 bedroom boxes on this site will be in the upper band for council tax. The council will make a fortune. They should not make decisions like this when they have a vested interest. Further to this, do you see any of the amenities in Ecclesall/Ringinglow for children that we are supposed to have? Wouldn't this make a lovely site for either a 5-a-side pitch (now we've lost the playing fields to a private school) or a play ground? Again, not likely. The council even black-mailed the developers at the bottom of Knowle Lane into funding the library after they sold off the old one and turned it into a pub (commenting that "people is the affected area can afford to travel to other local libraries").

Anyone else think our concil are a corrupt bunch of idiots with severe jealousy issues?

Yep - building houses. Is the board still there advertising some "executive low quality houses"? I registered my complaint about building here on the Sheffield planning website. Stated that it was hardly preserving the spirit of the green belt if they were going to keep allowing low quality houses to be built there. Besides, I always wanted that site for my Huff house ;)

There's been a lot of digs on this thread about the money in this area. But I think people are hitting the nail on the head - 4 bedroom boxes on this site will be in the upper band for council tax. The council will make a fortune. They should not make decisions like this when they have a vested interest. Further to this, do you see any of the amenities in Ecclesall/Ringinglow for children that we are supposed to have? Wouldn't this make a lovely site for either a 5-a-side pitch (now we've lost the playing fields to a private school) or a play ground? Again, not likely. The council even black-mailed the developers at the bottom of Knowle Lane into funding the library after they sold off the old one and turned it into a pub (commenting that "people is the affected area can afford to travel to other local libraries").

Anyone else think our concil are a corrupt bunch of idiots with severe jealousy issues?

I think the same type of site in any city would go to housing. New parks and playing fields just arent provided anymore unless part of a large scale development.

I hope the house designs are better than the developemnt opposite which are amonst the worst i've seen in a long while - the materials are discusting
Im not saying the planning department take much account of locals' views though- they can justify pretty much anything within reason if they want to for whatever reason.

The board just says that Redrow are the builders and I have read that they managed to get the "buffer zone" moved but, I haven't actually seen any plans. Are there any on the Council webpage do you know?
Duffem

Hmmm - didn't know that the Council had allowed the GReen Belt Buffer to be reduced - I live pretty close and most people nearby had written to ask that the buffer be kept in place. I've tried to search the planning permission on the council's planning portal (07/02805/FUL) but I can't find anything related to the fire station at all.

Frankly the Fire Station was never any looker of a building, and it would be good to see it developed well, but I bet we get Redrow's version of Barratt boxes which will probably be a gated enclosure with no aesthetic or green value at all. There's a great opportunity to build some genuinely forward thinking housing here, but financial and political priorities are likely to knock anything like that on the head. It's all so depressing.

What is a 'buffer zone' ? It's either in the greenbelt or it's not. Whichever is true it's still brownfield.

The Fire Station is a little anomaly - the area around is all green belt and it juts out into it. The original outline planning permission granted Redrow the ability to build, but to allow 15 metres of unbuilt land as a boundary to the whole plot. It appears that Redrow successfully managed to reduce this to five metres, meaning that they can get more properties on the plot.

There's a great opportunity to build some genuinely forward thinking housing here, but financial and political priorities are likely to knock anything like that on the head. It's all so depressing.

Politics doesn't come into these things - a planning officer recomends to either approve of reject based on planning guidelines - the elected members then vote to accept or reject the officers recomendation....

so what happens if an application is rejected ???? well, the applicant (the developer) can appeal to the sec of state, who can overule the local authority... thus a rejection must be on the basis of a development not complying to guidelines, not on the basis of "getting something nicer" sadly !

I'd love to see greater powers to local government to ban the executive boxes, however, the reality is that it's not going to happen.... so long as the developer is working to an appropriate density, there isn't much a council or it's members can do to stop executive boxes !

When they decided to close the fire station it was said to be in a low risk area. Shortly after it was closed we (about half a mile away) received a letter from the fire service saying that as we were in a high risk area they would carry out free fire risk checks on our property!

The Fire Station is a little anomaly - the area around is all green belt and it juts out into it.

But it also served the outlying areas, and was called out frequently to moorland fires etc.

So, no-one has seen any plans as yet? I've looked on Redrow's site and there aren't any developments in this area so have they managed to get planning approval does anyone know? I can't find it on Sheffield City Council Planning Applications so why are they demolishing the Fire Station?
There is another site on Ringinglow Road where the former childrens' home stood, that also has been demolished for several months now but, yet again, no sign of any building.
It seems as though the builders are able to demolish before their planning applications have been approved.
I'm just curious to know if Redrow have had their plans passed and are about to build.

Duffem.

No - this is very curious. THe application to extend the buffer zone (to which I responded) was number 07/02805/FUL but this is not to be found anywhere on the site. In fact it seems to be impossible to find any planning information relating to the fire station. I'm trying hard not to be cynical...

.....oops - my apologies to the council. The permission was granted and the application number is now 07/02805/OUT.

I've seen the applicaton on the Council Plannings site and, the Green Belt Buffer Zone has been reduced from 15 metres to 10 metres so, presumably that means that the Builder (Redrow) can put more properties on the site now.
Has anyone seen anywhere on the plannings site exactly what is proposed on this site?

Duffem

Original planning reference is 06/02824/OUT, but I can't see any detailed plans on the website yet .....

It's a sad fact that fire stations throughout the UK are ear marked for closure or down grading. It seems that the fire service is no longer a service but a business, dictated too by budgets run by civilian politicians who have no idea what the fire service are about.
Yes I do have a biased opinion as cuts are happening in my area too. We are here to serve & protect you the community a little difficult without a station.
Checkout the union website for further cuts to the service. http://www.fbu.org.uk/campaigns/no2/index.php
Who is going to protect these new communities when complete, can you wait 15 minutes for a fire appliance to get to you when trapped with your children?

Well bizarrely, we've not long ago had the Fire brigade around and they've put up four smoke detectors in our house, and have apparently been trying to cover the local area around Ringinglow Fire Station. Before it was closed, you could have probably run a fire hose to our house from the station without needing a fire appliance. The irony is that with the new residential builds on the two former schools (Folkwood and one a bit further down Ringinglow Road), plus the 50 dwellings expected on the Fire Station site, the local population will have increased by two or three times, and will probably need more fire coverage ;-)

Original planning reference is 06/02824/OUT, but I can't see any detailed plans on the website yet .....

So they have their outline planning permission, but will still be putting together their application for full planning permission with all the juicy details.

Well its a nice spot, if they build decent sized houses would be a good move for someone.

It's a sad fact that fire stations throughout the UK are ear marked for closure or down grading.

Take note of this guy... Mosborough Fire Station was earmarked for closure in 2005, I wrote letters to the Chief Fire Officer, asked for attendance data, compiled a case, wrote to all my local councillors, my MP, the then Deputy PM, I wrote to all the member so the Fire and Civil Defence Authority, I rung all of the above, spoke to some.... I provided evidence that the Fire Service had deliberately run down recruitment at Mosborough over the previous 2 years, which caused a few embaressed looks from Senior Officers... I attended several local meetings and importantly stood up and spoke with passion at the final meeting where the decision was made to keep Mosborough Fire Station open....

I spoke with one of my local councillor's today re a different work matter, but we got around to the Mosborough fight, he told me that my local fire station is in great shape, with special events for youngsters, getting them out of trouble on the streets, it's being used for local community use and most of all... it's still providing my home safe at night !

It's "flaming" ;) hard work, but if you want to protect something you feel strong about, from the great machine then you have to put the leg work in... Sadly, I just don't think that was done at Ringinglow...

if you're interested, the full planning application reference is 07/04811/REM , details available by searching at http://planning.sheffield.gov.uk/publicaccess/tdc/DcApplication/application_searchform.aspx

if you're interested, the full planning application reference is 07/04811/REM , details available by searching at http://planning.sheffield.gov.uk/publicaccess/tdc/DcApplication/application_searchform.aspx

The site isn't working. :rolleyes:

Just out of interest how many houses are being built? I reckon you could squeeze maybe 15 in there.

Well bizarrely, we've not long ago had the Fire brigade around and they've put up four smoke detectors in our house, and have apparently been trying to cover the local area around Ringinglow Fire Station. Before it was closed, you could have probably run a fire hose to our house from the station without needing a fire appliance. The irony is that with the new residential builds on the two former schools (Folkwood and one a bit further down Ringinglow Road), plus the 50 dwellings expected on the Fire Station site, the local population will have increased by two or three times, and will probably need more fire coverage ;-)

except of course of the quite stunningly low call out stats forthe fire and resuce service, what used to be considered 'special services' is fast becoming a significant source of activities

some interesting statistics

for south yorkshire FRS in 2006 /07 http://www.syfire.gov.uk/statistics.htm

more than 1 in 8 calls is related to a faulty fire alarm ... ( 'the equivalent scenario for the police is called wasting police time ' - )

abound 1 in 8 calls is a 'special service' i.e. not actually anything to do with a fire

more than 1 in 10 calls are incidents where the fire service was not required but the service puts it down as a 'good intent false alarm' - other emergency services call this a 'waste of our resources'

the 2.74 calls / hours that result in a response ... 2.74 calls /hour countywide bear in mind ... then people wonder why the fire service manages to lose public support with it's demands and shround waving

then of course there is the fact that the fire service will not accept a 'stop' message fron anyone other than an on duty crew commander or white hat... to boost the 'small fires' or 'false alarm with good intent' call figures...

or put it another way in terms of county wide statistics

24011 calls resulting in a response in 2006 /07 = 65.78 calls / day

of those calls each day

18.53 will be false alarms

8.71 calls will be special services

38.81 calls will be to 'fires' (25.38 of which are 'small')

which might not even result in a hose reel being used ( seen bin fires put out with a bucket or a fire extinguisher before by the FRS - but it's still recorded as a 'fire' for statistical purposes. but the FRsstill sent one or more full sized appliances)

SYFRS operates 23 fire stations , 18 of which are wholetime staffed

65.78/23 = 2.86 calls / station/ day including the retained stations

2005 breakdown of activity at http://www.syfire.gov.uk/PDF_Files/StationInfo2005.pdf

The site isn't working. :rolleyes:

Just out of interest how many houses are being built? I reckon you could squeeze maybe 15 in there.

31 in total - 19 houses, 12 apartments

31 in total - 19 houses, 12 apartments
:wow: :wow:

What are they ... huts?

Nope - I think all the buildings are three storeys high though. It does seem a bit tight to try and fit that many in. To be honest I don't think it matters - if Redrow want to build that many I can't see anyone stopping them.

:wow: :wow:

What are they ... huts?

there are layouts of the buildings on the planning website .. no dimensions though :rolleyes:

Yep - I'm looking at them now. The plans assume only one car space per household, and the 31 dwellings will have only 8 visitors at any one time. No communal playing area (these are family houses); no attempt to make them sustainable and no attempt to reduce the reliance on cars. On top of that, this is the first 'property' seen as you enter (sub)urban Sheffield from Ringinglow, no attempt to fit in with moving from a rural to the edge of the city. I'm not surprised though.

:wow: :wow:

What are they ... huts?

Perhaps they've been inspired by Japanese pod living... (http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/57001718.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF19390335F8FA9CA92A6AEA077CE23AFC5C2 26D5502F4A3FD04B) :shocked:

Am I right in thinking there is a door set into the cliff? I always imagined it led to an extensive warren of top secret government bunkers. Maybe that's where all the houses are going to go. Troglodyte life - it's the future.

I've looked at the plans via the site. There are to be 4 detached houses fronting the site, 2 of those are to be three-storey.There are to be 11 three-storey linked (town houses), 2 pairs of semis again three-storey and 12 apartments in a three-storey block.
The apartments are to be right at the back of the site.
The entrance/exit to the site will be between the 4 detached houses at the front with the road going round to the other houses and apartments.
It looks to be a very congested site in terms of density of properties especially being three-storeys apart from the 2 detached at the front of the site.
The biggest problem I see will be one of danger to additional traffic on Ringinglow Road which has never had proper "speed calming" measures apart from the one coming down Ringinglow Road which flashes you to slow down if you're going over 30 (which most people ignore!).
There have been numerous accidents and near misses already on Ringinglow Road mainly caused by speeding but, an awful lot of people put their foot down as soon as they get to the Hammer & Pincers going up Ringinglow Road.
There should be speed calming measures (i.e.speed cameras) taken before Redrow receive planning permission, this road is crying out for it.
Anyone wishing to view the proposed plan and comment, you need to do that before 12th. February 2008, quote: 07/04811/REM. The officer is Stewart Greenslade at Howden House.
Planning Applications Online (www.sheffield.gov.uk)

Duffems, thanks for your post. I think you are quite right. Traffic will increase substantially and with two schools there - Bents Green and Silverdale - as well as Common Lane, which is opposite the fire station site, being used as a rat run, then the risk of an accident is pretty high.

Given the new development opposite on the Old Folkwood site, and a proposed one on the site a bit further down Ringinglow Road, density can't be much of an issue for Sheffield. I guess they have housing targets to meet so dense housing is good from the Councils perspective.