there is a disabled parking spot painted on our road but the only person who parks in it isn't disabled if they are it must be a very minor disability. when they do park in it they dont have a blue badge in the window either and they have got a garage so why do they need it? i parked in it late last night because it was the only space free and i was at work early so didn't think it would be a problem. got to the car this morning and had a rude note telling me not to park here again. anyway what want to know is can i find out if the person who uses it is entitled to. if they have got a garage why do they need another place to park? and they seem very mobile so why do the need a disabled space?

Hi
If they are not showing a blue badge they are not entitled to park there, or i might add anybody els

i have always wondered if another person comes to the area and they have a blue badge could they park in the space or is it just for that person.

so if nobody is entitled to use it it should be removed? ive seen some on roads that have been removed but you can still see the outline

Please define what exactly is marked on the road?

Please define what exactly is marked on the road?

yellow box with a wheel chair in the middle

i have always wondered if another person comes to the area and they have a blue badge could they park in the space or is it just for that person.

Yes, anyone with a blue badge can park there, even if it was actually provided for a resident of the street at their expense.

yellow box with a wheel chair in the middle


No such legal marking on the highway exists.

i have always wondered if another person comes to the area and they have a blue badge could they park in the space or is it just for that person.

Hi
Yes any disabled driver with a blue badge can use them they are put there after a request by the house owner/tenant to the council if successful they mark one up outside of the house but any body who has a blue badge can park there

No such legal marking on the highway exists.

ye they do. i know people with a blue badge can park in one im wanting to know why one is on the road when it doesnt need to be

can you park there with an orange badge ??

can you park there with an orange badge ??

Hi

silly question but what are those

can you park there with an orange badge ??

Blimey, orange badges went out years ago. They were replaced by the blue badge. And anybody displaying a valid blue badge can park on them, no matter who requested it be put there.

Somebody across the road from my mums has one outside his house due to his son being disabled and needing crutches to walk, he doesn't display his blue badge and walks perfectly fine.
Why have you got a bee in your bonnet about whether the markings are valid just because the person who uses it seems normal?
Have you thought that it may be because a member of his family is disabled.

ye they do. i know people with a blue badge can park in one im wanting to know why one is on the road when it doesnt need to be

Perhaps the previous tenant/ householder had a disability, and needed a blue-badge space? It's not beyond the realms of possibility.

Saying that, if the person parked there is not displaying evidence of disability/ entitlement, (IE a Blue badge) whether for himself or a relative, technically he should not be parking in it.

From very confusing and conflicting information provided from the council whilst going through this process myself I would say that the parking spots are unenforceable but if they are in existence for a resident whom all of the neighbours know has mobility difficulties then it's really more of a moral request than a legal requirement (if that makes any sense).

ye they do.


They exist, but they are not legally enforceable. I refer you to this thread (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=547841&page=2), where Redrobbo the councillor took up the cudgels to clear away confusion.

The sign is painted on by the council at the request (and £130 payment!) of a resident, but it is not legally enforceable by the council. The police could, in theory, charge someone with obstruction if they use it without displaying a badge; but if nobody is being obstructed, they won't.

So in fact, it is not merely a case of "anyone with a blue badge could park in it, even though you paid for it" - it is "anyone at all could park in it, even though you paid for it." For myself, I'm not prepared to pay £130 in the vague hope that my neighbours will have enough neighbourly spirit not to park in my wife's disabled bay. Particularly since, now they all know she's disabled, there is invariably space left for us directly outside our bungalow anyway.

can i just say that from the reading on the council website it appears that you can only apply for one if you have no off road parking at all. did the op say there was a garage?

From very confusing and conflicting information provided from the council whilst going through this process myself I would say that the parking spots are unenforceable but if they are in existence for a resident whom all of the neighbours know has mobility difficulties then it's really more of a moral request than a legal requirement (if that makes any sense).My understanding of these private disabled spaces is that they essentially mean nothing, are just an indication, that it is curteous not to park on it but if say the road is full it's appropriate to park on it (and really, if one is an Alan B. Stard, ok to park there any time). It's a waste of time really.

Somebody across the road from my mums has one outside his house due to his son being disabled and needing crutches to walk, he doesn't display his blue badge and walks perfectly fine.
Why have you got a bee in your bonnet about whether the markings are valid just because the person who uses it seems normal?
Have you thought that it may be because a member of his family is disabled.
Should still display a badge

My bold edit.

All markings on a highway have to conform to The Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2002. A yellow wheelchair marking is not in the regulations so cannot be enforced. A marking consisting of white 600mm lines is the correct one but HAS to be accompanied by a plate displaying the blue P and a blue wheelchair image. Anybody with a blue badge can park in one of these as it is, in fact, illegal to set aside space on a highway for an individual. A marking on the road without the accompanied plate is an advisory marking only.

From very confusing and conflicting information provided from the council whilst going through this process myself I would say that the parking spots are unenforceable but if they are in existence for a resident whom all of the neighbours know has mobility difficulties then it's really more of a moral request than a legal requirement (if that makes any sense).

That is my understanding of the situation,disabled parking spaces are not legally enforceable and rely on goodwill.If that is so is the requirement to show a blue badge a legal one? If one or the other is not a legal requirement these bays are a waste of time.
Parking unless causing an obstruction is no longer a criminal offence.
What is the definition of an obstruction ? Ad infinitum.

Parking unless causing an obstruction is no longer a criminal offence.
What is the definition of an obstruction ? Ad infinitum.


In my experience, parking counts as an obstruction if the police officer says it does. There doesn't seem to be any grounds for disagreeing with them once they've declared that you are causing one.

Whether they would accuse you of obstruction because you were occupying a not-legally-enforceable disabled-parking bay, I don't know. I doubt it.

The local council (Sheffield in your case) gives out the blue badges so you could start there. Also speak to the traffic warden dept of the council and ask them to monitor the situation as you think it is being abused.

You can ask for your name to be kept confidential if you want, I hope that this helps.

thanks for the replys as ive said before the person who uses the space is not disabled and live alone so no relatives must need it. i know it sounds petty to most of you but it gets busy on my road and why should i not park near to my house if the space is free when her car is safe in her garage

That is my understanding of the situation,disabled parking spaces are not legally enforceable and rely on goodwill.If that is so is the requirement to show a blue badge a legal one? If one or the other is not a legal requirement these bays are a waste of time.
Parking unless causing an obstruction is no longer a criminal offence.
What is the definition of an obstruction ? Ad infinitum.

The spaces are only a waste of time if the other people who live in the area are sufficiently unbothered by the fact that by parking in the spot they are causing a person with a disability problems with their access.

I prefer to believe in the decency of most people and I do honestly think that most people, in the knowledge that there's someone who's struggling to get about who needs to park close to their house, will park elsewhere to allow that to happen.

thanks for the replys as ive said before the person who uses the space is not disabled and live alone so no relatives must need it. i know it sounds petty to most of you but it gets busy on my road and why should i not park near to my house if the space is free when her car is safe in her garage

I think that I'd contact the people who issue the spots, who are in the Traffic section, and ask them about what happens when there's off road parking nearby for the person with the spot and what about when the person they are painted for moves.

If you park in that space there is nothing anyone can do about it.

Sheffield Council are not correct when they talk about the police and an obstruction offence.

Kirklees Council are much clearer on the subject:

http://www.kirklees.gov.uk/answers/parking/disabled-markings.shtml#whatis

Do disabled markings carry a legal enforcement?
Only the markings that have a Traffic Regulation Order (TRO) are enforceable and these are normally in the Town Centres. All the others are only advisory. The Council writes to the neighbours who will be affected by the marking and asks them whether or not they object to a marking and also are they prepared to keep that area of the road. If they are not prepared to do this then there is nothing we can do.

You don't have to pay for the spots in Kirklees either!

it always makes me laugh when the "disabled" person be it old/young man/woman gets out of something like a porsche or range rover, gleefully puts the time on their card and skips off to wherever they're going, funny, really funny :hihi:

it always makes me laugh when the "disabled" person be it old/young man/woman gets out of something like a porsche or range rover, gleefully puts the time on their card and skips off to wherever they're going, funny, really funny :hihi:

Yes, it must be hilarious, you plank, especially when your face goes as red as a beetroot when the person you thought was disabled comes back to the car a few minutes later, with the "real" disabled person whom they've just gone to collect.

little tip:-

engage brain into gear before moving off on keyboard, ok?

Yes, it must be hilarious, you plank, especially when your face goes as red as a beetroot when the person you thought was disabled comes back to the car a few minutes later, with the "real" disabled person whom they've just gone to collect.

little tip:-

engage brain into gear before moving off on keyboard, ok?

i agree with you plaintalker, my daughter is disabled and the looks i get when i park up is annoying, yes im not disabled, my daughter doesnt look disabled but she has trouble walking due to her mobility (celebral palsy) and she is very unsteady on her legs. the dirty looks i normally get are mostly from old people and what peeves me of the most is that the old woman gets out of the car and the old bloke parks up in the disabled bay and reads his paper, then looks at you like crap when you get out of your car, i now have got to the stage where i show them the picture of my daughter on the back and then point to my daughter :rant::rant:

it always makes me laugh when the "disabled" person be it old/young man/woman gets out of something like a porsche or range rover, gleefully puts the time on their card and skips off to wherever they're going, funny, really funny :hihi:

there has been times when i have run into a supermarket for lucozade when my daughter is hypoing in the car and i have put the blue badge in, but this has only been in a emergency and my daughter was in the car at the time

If you park in that space there is nothing anyone can do about it.

Sheffield Council are not correct when they talk about the police and an obstruction offence.


How, exactly, is saying "it is up to the police to decide if there is an obstruction," being wrong? They're not saying that it ever will be called one.

The local council (Sheffield in your case) gives out the blue badges so you could start there. Also speak to the traffic warden dept of the council and ask them to monitor the situation as you think it is being abused.


It isn't a traffic warden/council matter. That's the very point we've been trying to make.

i agree with you plaintalker, my daughter is disabled and the looks i get when i park up is annoying, yes im not disabled, my daughter doesnt look disabled but she has trouble walking due to her mobility (celebral palsy) and she is very unsteady on her legs. the dirty looks i normally get are mostly from old people and what peeves me of the most is that the old woman gets out of the car and the old bloke parks up in the disabled bay and reads his paper, then looks at you like crap when you get out of your car, i now have got to the stage where i show them the picture of my daughter on the back and then point to my daughter :rant::rant:

according to ASDA Handsworth, I have no right being annoyed that the old bloke is sitting reading the paper in the car, taking up a disabled-person's space.

"The person he dropped off might have been disabled..." is their response

I said "Ok, but if he's dropped the disabled person off, then what's to stop him moving across the way to the non-disabled parking spaces to sit and read his paper, and have the missus call him, as she's going through the checkout, to pull up in front of the store, and collect her?"

He doesn't need a blue badge space just so he can read his paper, does he?

Louise, if it'd been me, once I'd got my daughter out of her hypo, I'd have shoved the Lucozade bottle so far, *cough, cough* the miserable gits chuntering at me, would have needed surgery to remove it.

Knock on there door and ask them why they need it, good answer let them be, bad answer then start using it, Simpels!

I never use disabled spots but what does GET MY BACK UP! is family parking,,,, why should I have to park at the back when there are empty spots for mother and child? you had the child so its your inconvenience not mine! take what spot there is and don't expect special treatment, its not like kids are disabled and cant walk!
and yea yea its more dangerous for kids to walk through the whole car park I know as there idiots that like to run and skip into traffic,,, well then either leave them at home or put them on a lead or teach them better, as I say, your inconvenience not mine.

Rant over.

I never use disabled spots but what does GET MY BACK UP! is family parking,,,,


The point has often been made that, while family parking spaces should be somewhere from which you can reach the door without crossing traffic, they do not need to be immediately adjacent to the door.

The spaces are only a waste of time if the other people who live in the area are sufficiently unbothered by the fact that by parking in the spot they are causing a person with a disability problems with their access.

I prefer to believe in the decency of most people and I do honestly think that most people, in the knowledge that there's someone who's struggling to get about who needs to park close to their house, will park elsewhere to allow that to happen.

I think it is a waste of time if the person who is using the bay never displays a blue badge,(whether disabled or not,which is not up to me to decide.)
Most people will not intentionally use a disabled bay,but the person who uses the bay should also comply.

Yes, it must be hilarious, you plank, especially when your face goes as red as a beetroot when the person you thought was disabled comes back to the car a few minutes later, with the "real" disabled person whom they've just gone to collect.

little tip:-

engage brain into gear before moving off on keyboard, ok?

oh no not you again you fool, explain to me why some yes some people who are alone sprint from their porsches, range rovers etc when they're supposed to be disabled ?????????????????????

little tip:-learn to realise that some, yes only some people abuse their disabled badges when they don't even need one - fool !

I'd always be wary of approaching the driver of a car who has parked in a disabled bay yet has no visible signs of disability.

The chances are that s/he is a convicted criminal, according to this report: Illegal parking in disabled bays: a means of offender targeting (http://www-staff.lboro.ac.uk/~ssgf/KP/1999_DisabledParkingBays.pdf)

oh no not you again you fool, explain to me why some yes some people who are alone sprint from their porsches, range rovers etc when they're supposed to be disabled ??


Often because they are not supposed to be disabled, but the person they've gone to collect, is.

Can we stop the personal abuse terms please? It's possible to disagree without calling anyone names.

oh no not you again you fool, explain to me why some yes some people who are alone sprint from their porsches, range rovers etc when they're supposed to be disabled ?????????????????????

little tip:-learn to realise that some, yes only some people abuse their disabled badges when they don't even need one - fool !

Did you switch your single brain cell on long enough to actually read mine and Louise's comments?

What we need to remember are the facts. The parking space is not disabled, however the person needing the space could be disabled.

I often marvel at miracles that I see at Supermarkets. Someone drives into the disabled parking space, I think "poor person, rather them have the disability than me".

I then expect to see some poor, elderly or middle aged person struggling out of their car and desperatly hobbling to the supermarket in agony......HOWEVER..........I often see a 20 something, get out of the car and sprint to the cashpoint, or into the supermarket (often with a mobile phone in their ear).

Is this not a miracle? how can a disabled person suddenly become young and agile? not even Jesus Christ could turn people into young fit people. Perhaps Christ should have painted a disabled spot on the floor in Jerusalem? disable people could hobble to the disabled spot, and miraculously turn into young agile people

How, exactly, is saying "it is up to the police to decide if there is an obstruction," being wrong? They're not saying that it ever will be called one.


The same as you are often 'wrong'.

In the context of the Council's webpage, they are creating a needless ambiguity.
Their page should be simple and factual. See the Kirklees Council's page for an example of how to do it better.

You could only be charged with 'obstruction' if you cause an obstruction, not by virtue of parking in one of these advisory spaces.

You could only be charged with 'obstruction' if you cause an obstruction


...which is for the police to decide. Which is exactly what the council website says. Ergo, the council website is entirely correct.

I'd always be wary of approaching the driver of a car who has parked in a disabled bay yet has no visible signs of disability.

The chances are that s/he is a convicted criminal, according to this report: Illegal parking in disabled bays: a means of offender targeting (http://www-staff.lboro.ac.uk/~ssgf/KP/1999_DisabledParkingBays.pdf)

so you calling me criminal or some reason not to approach me, that i offensive

...which is for the police to decide. Which is exactly what the council website says. Ergo, the council website is entirely correct.

Explain to me how an 'obstruction' could occur by parking in a space that has been correctly sited by the Council?

The Council might as well say that the police could charge you with fraud. After all it would be for them to decide.

They won't and the Council should not suggest the possibility.

What we need to remember are the facts. The parking space is not disabled, however the person needing the space could be disabled.

I often marvel at miracles that I see at Supermarkets. Someone drives into the disabled parking space, I think "poor person, rather them have the disability than me".

I then expect to see some poor, elderly or middle aged person struggling out of their car and desperatly hobbling to the supermarket in agony......HOWEVER..........I often see a 20 something, get out of the car and sprint to the cashpoint, or into the supermarket (often with a mobile phone in their ear).

Is this not a miracle? how can a disabled person suddenly become young and agile? not even Jesus Christ could turn people into young fit people. Perhaps Christ should have painted a disabled spot on the floor in Jerusalem? disable people could hobble to the disabled spot, and miraculously turn into young agile people

my point exactly thank you thank you thank you

Often because they are not supposed to be disabled, but the person they've gone to collect, is.

yes i know that, but i've seen people (able bodied) looking people parking in the disabled area with a badge and then going into morrisons at ecclesfield buying their cigs and putting the lottery on then hotfooting it back to their motor, my point was that some, not all people take the proverbial with their disabled badges, i've seen it - it wasn't my imagination

Did you switch your single brain cell on long enough to actually read mine and Louise's comments?

ive got quite a few brain cells you sheffieldforum obsessed maniac, quite enough in fact to realise we don't live in a perfect world where everyone who uses a disabled badge needs one - cappiche ?? :hihi:

you have to pay for a disabled parking spot outside your house from the council
you need a blue badge to have the council do this for you but like i said you have to pay for it

Final warning- either the insulting language stops or forum holidays will follow.

What we need to remember are the facts. The parking space is not disabled, however the person needing the space could be disabled.

I often marvel at miracles that I see at Supermarkets. Someone drives into the disabled parking space, I think "poor person, rather them have the disability than me".

I then expect to see some poor, elderly or middle aged person struggling out of their car and desperatly hobbling to the supermarket in agony......HOWEVER..........I often see a 20 something, get out of the car and sprint to the cashpoint, or into the supermarket (often with a mobile phone in their ear).

Is this not a miracle? how can a disabled person suddenly become young and agile? not even Jesus Christ could turn people into young fit people. Perhaps Christ should have painted a disabled spot on the floor in Jerusalem? disable people could hobble to the disabled spot, and miraculously turn into young agile people

At what age are you allowed to be disabled from???

so you calling me criminal or some reason not to approach me, that i offensive

Run that by me again, please. :huh:

Run that by me again, please. :huh:

simple, i have a blue badge, i have mobility problems, but only half the time you can tell by looking at me, simple....so your calling me a criminal etc

simple, i have a blue badge, i have mobility problems, but only half the time you can tell by looking at me, simple....so your calling me a criminal etc

Err, the title of the report refers to illegally parking in disabled spaces. If you have a Blue Badge then you don't fit into that definition.

I'm sorry if you misinterpreted what I wrote.

Err, the title of the report refers to illegally parking in disabled spaces. If you have a Blue Badge then you don't fit into that definition.

I'm sorry if you misinterpreted what I wrote.

this is what you wrote

'Originally Posted by max View Post
I'd always be wary of approaching the driver of a car who has parked in a disabled bay yet has no visible signs of disability.

The chances are that s/he is a convicted criminal, according to this report: Illegal parking in disabled bays: a means of offender targeting'


i dont have a visiable sign of a disiability half of the time...................

Err, the title of the report refers to illegally parking in disabled spaces. If you have a Blue Badge then you don't fit into that definition.

I'm sorry if you misinterpreted what I wrote.

The report is nearly 12 years old anyway.

Also someone has mentioned on here about people that appear able bodied but display a blue badge and wheather they should challenge them. Max you then said you wouldn't challenge as they probably be a convicted criminal according to the report you linked to. This appeared to mean anyone who appeared able bodied may be not entitled and therefore possibly a criminal.

No-one except a official has a right to ask to see the badge. If you think someone is using a badge illegally take down the details displayed on the badge (badge number) and contact the issuering authority (also displayed on the front of the badge). On the new badge there is also a pre-printed number which can be used to see if the badge used is forged. They will take on board your comments and investigate if needed.

The report is nearly 12 years old anyway.

Also someone has mentioned on here about people that appear able bodied but display a blue badge and wheather they should challenge them. Max you then said you wouldn't challenge as they probably be a convicted criminal according to the report you linked to. This appeared to mean anyone who appeared able bodied may be not entitled and therefore possibly a criminal.

No-one except a official has a right to ask to see the badge. If you think someone is using a badge illegally take down the details displayed on the badge (badge number) and contact the issuering authority (also displayed on the front of the badge). On the new badge there is also a pre-printed number which can be used to see if the badge used is forged. They will take on board your comments and investigate if needed.

Oh god help us. I meant those not displaying a blue badge. I wish people would read the report before jumping down my throat.

you cannot always tell by looking at someone if they are disabled or not.
think cancer, angina, breathing problems, cerebral palsy, false leg if they have trouser on you will not notice nine times out of ten.

stop judging books by their covers

Oh god help us. I meant those not displaying a blue badge. I wish people would read the report before jumping down my throat.

I did that why I knew it was 12 year old (that information was on page 2) :)

Don't think i was jumping down your throat but you could have worded it a bit better, this is why people get offended when challenged. Disability is a personal thing so say something slightly wrong and you could get a bad response.

I don't think anyone should challenge anyone as you may get it wroing and be the upteeth person to challenge that day so you get all that pent up frustration back at you.

My sons are Autistic and don't look like they need a badge but believe me they do and have many people chalenged. We used to have a go back but now just calmly point out they can jot down the details and report us if they want to. We sometime offer a pen and peice of paper to do so, but no-one has took us up on that offer yet. Once someone asked to see the photo, and was gobsmacked when I asked for their officail ID.

At what age are you allowed to be disabled from???

There isn't an age limit that you are disabled.

However, in order to park your car in a disabled parking bay, you should at least be disabled. If an able bodied person takes up a space, then that space is not available for someone who genuinely needs ot

you cannot always tell by looking at someone if they are disabled or not.
think cancer, angina, breathing problems, cerebral palsy, false leg if they have trouser on you will not notice nine times out of ten.

stop judging books by their covers


Very true, however I've yet to see anyone who suffers.......

cancer, angina, breathing problems, cerebral palsy, false leg

....Sprinting to the cash point, or the lottery counter. Perhaps I am being judgemental, I think we are making excuses for ignorant/anti social people

Very true, however I've yet to see anyone who suffers.......

cancer, angina, breathing problems, cerebral palsy, false leg

....Sprinting to the cash point, or the lottery counter. Perhaps I am being judgemental, I think we are making excuses for ignorant/anti social people

Having cancer or a false leg doesn't always stop you from running...

My other son has cronic asthma and can still run sometimes....

Jubby

I think your making excuses for the ignorant, antisocal. If you are able to sprint and run, then you clearly do not need a disabled parking space.

I would never use a disabled parking space - why???? I personally thank god that I am able bodied and that I am able to walk from the back of the car park to the supermarket. I dread the day when I actually need to use one of these disabled spaces.

As someone who is lucky enough be healthy, I thank my lucky stars

There isn't an age limit that you are disabled.

However, in order to park your car in a disabled parking bay, you should at least be disabled. If an able bodied person takes up a space, then that space is not available for someone who genuinely needs ot

But why are people shocked to see young people get out of a car when parked in a disabled space and not an old person. This implies an age limit.

Jubby

I think your making excuses for the ignorant, antisocal. If you are able to sprint and run, then you clearly do not need a disabled parking space.

I would never use a disabled parking space - why???? I personally thank god that I am able bodied and that I am able to walk from the back of the car park to the supermarket. I dread the day when I actually need to use one of these disabled spaces.

As someone who is lucky enough be healthy, I thank my lucky stars

Oscar Pistorius is a sprinter but he has false legs as he is a double amputee!!! He did the 400 metres in 2007 at Don Valley in 47.65 seconds. If he was a european he would qualify for a blue badge!

Robby can I ask you a couple of questions.

Would you expect a 12 year old to be able to walk across a car park with NEEDING to hold a grown ups hand?

Would you consider someone who is unable to do so to have a disability?

Very true, however I've yet to see anyone who suffers.......

cancer, angina, breathing problems, cerebral palsy, false leg

....Sprinting (snip)



If jane tomlinson were here I think she'd disagree...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Jane-Tomlinson/e/B0034Q75RI/ref=ntt_dp_epwbk_0

(Admittedly, Jane was a most exceptional woman)


Perhaps I am being judgemental, I think we are making excuses for ignorant/anti social people

Really? Do you think...?.

Oscar Pistorius is a sprinter but he has false legs as he is a double amputee!!! He did the 400 metres in 2007 at Don Valley in 47.65 seconds. If he was a european he would qualify for a blue badge!

Robby can I ask you a couple of questions.

Would you expect a 12 year old to be able to walk across a car park with NEEDING to hold a grown ups hand?

Would you consider someone who is unable to do so to have a disability?

One of my nephews is 20. He is autistic, and he would have difficulty negotiating a car park without someone to supervise him.

My 17 year old nephew has a mental age of 20 months/ 2 years old. He certainly would not be safe without someone holding his hand.

Quite right PT :nod: ........there are a lot of people out there, who do not have obvious disabilities! Ergo....don't judge a book by it's cover!

Unfortunately, there are also a minority who abuse the system, and give genuine disabled people a bad name! :mad:

..........

As the saying goes.....what goes around, comes around.....those milking the system are liable to get their come-uppance once day, aren't they? :)

And if you are a legitimate disabled person/carer.....then the disapproving mob can go coco, can't they!!!! :D

As a blue badge user I did ask Council about a marked space for our car because sometimes we have to park a long way down the street. I was told they were not keen to do this and that it was not legally enforceable anyway. Also although a legitimate badge holder we don't park in disabled places if there is an ordinary parking spot will do as when I have my electric scooter I can afford to be a bit further out. I feel the close to the shop parking places should be for those who can only move a short distance be it heart condition whatever. I have occasionally while waiting for my husband to pick me up seen quite obviously able bodied people park in the shop car park and then march out of the car park to do their shopping somewhere else so I'm pretty sure they don't have a hidden disabillity.

a yellow bay marking with a disabled sign in a residential area would have been requested by a resident with a blue badge as mentioned befor it does come at a cost. Although it should be used by the said resident displaying a blue badge it can be used by any blue badge holder.

That said, as there is no traffic regulation order covering these bays, it is basically public highway without any restrictions, it cannot be enforced neither by the council(parking services) or the police.

how can the police do a vehicle for obstruction when the council has deemed the bay as a safe place to paint a bay.

observant

One of my nephews is 20. He is autistic, and he would have difficulty negotiating a car park without someone to supervise him.

My 17 year old nephew has a mental age of 20 months/ 2 years old. He certainly would not be safe without someone holding his hand.

This is exactly what I'm saying.

Both my children and PT's nephews would probably never be classed as pysically disabled (unless they have another disability on top of the neurological one) but becuase of their neuroligical disabilty they are classed by the powers that be as being "mentally incapable" (a pharse i personally think is outdated) so therefore qualify with medical eviedence a a disabled parking permit (blus badge). This eviedence could be simply inrecirpt of higher rate mobility or if they don't qualify for that a medical, but this may be after automatticaly being turned down as intial test is solely based on being able to walk x number of metres so most have to appeal.

And I think something should be done about this disabled parking space (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=Commonside,+Sheffield,+South+Yorkshire+S10,+Unit ed+Kingdom&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=15.84337,39.506836&ie=UTF8&cd=7&geocode=FSGbLgMdzCbp_w&split=0&hq=&hnear=Commonside,+Sheffield,+South+Yorkshire+S10,+ United+Kingdom&ll=53.384915,-1.498539&spn=0.007794,0.01929&z=16&layer=c&cbll=53.384993,-1.498419&panoid=KggM6q9WIPQK1yHHLvdItA&cbp=12,174.76,,0,22.82) or the bus stop as there is a clear conflict between the two.

according to ASDA Handsworth, I have no right being annoyed that the old bloke is sitting reading the paper in the car, taking up a disabled-person's space.

"The person he dropped off might have been disabled..." is their response

I said "Ok, but if he's dropped the disabled person off, then what's to stop him moving across the way to the non-disabled parking spaces to sit and read his paper, and have the missus call him, as she's going through the checkout, to pull up in front of the store, and collect her?"

He doesn't need a blue badge space just so he can read his paper, does he?

Louise, if it'd been me, once I'd got my daughter out of her hypo, I'd have shoved the Lucozade bottle so far, *cough, cough* the miserable gits chuntering at me, would have needed surgery to remove it.

Yes, it must be hilarious, you plank, especially when your face goes as red as a beetroot when the person you thought was disabled comes back to the car a few minutes later, with the "real" disabled person whom they've just gone to collect.

little tip:-

engage brain into gear before moving off on keyboard, ok?

in bold..not very pleasant

in bold..not very pleasant

I can be even pleasanter if you like, but the mods tend to frown on it.

And I think something should be done about this disabled parking space (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=Commonside,+Sheffield,+South+Yorkshire+S10,+Unit ed+Kingdom&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=15.84337,39.506836&ie=UTF8&cd=7&geocode=FSGbLgMdzCbp_w&split=0&hq=&hnear=Commonside,+Sheffield,+South+Yorkshire+S10,+ United+Kingdom&ll=53.384915,-1.498539&spn=0.007794,0.01929&z=16&layer=c&cbll=53.384993,-1.498419&panoid=KggM6q9WIPQK1yHHLvdItA&cbp=12,174.76,,0,22.82) or the bus stop as there is a clear conflict between the two.

You're right there as bercause there is a metal sign as well be hard to argue the driver is in wrong when parked there (displaying badge) but then bus driver have to stop in middle of road.

This is exactly what I'm saying.

Both my children and PT's nephews would probably never be classed as pysically disabled (unless they have another disability on top of the neurological one) but becuase of their neuroligical disabilty they are classed by the powers that be as being "mentally incapable" (a pharse i personally think is outdated) so therefore qualify with medical eviedence a a disabled parking permit (blus badge). This eviedence could be simply inrecirpt of higher rate mobility or if they don't qualify for that a medical, but this may be after automatticaly being turned down as intial test is solely based on being able to walk x number of metres so most have to appeal.

My sister's younger son also has talipes equinovarus (club foot had two surgeries and an AFO-Ankle-Foot Orthosis- but is still not great) so has a bit of a limit on how far he can walk.

And I think something should be done about this disabled parking space (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=Commonside,+Sheffield,+South+Yorkshire+S10,+Unit ed+Kingdom&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=15.84337,39.506836&ie=UTF8&cd=7&geocode=FSGbLgMdzCbp_w&split=0&hq=&hnear=Commonside,+Sheffield,+South+Yorkshire+S10,+ United+Kingdom&ll=53.384915,-1.498539&spn=0.007794,0.01929&z=16&layer=c&cbll=53.384993,-1.498419&panoid=KggM6q9WIPQK1yHHLvdItA&cbp=12,174.76,,0,22.82) or the bus stop as there is a clear conflict between the two.

That one certainly is nonsensical, isn't it? Having said that, in Barkers Pool there is a beautifully laid out dropped crossing point, with all the lovely special textured paving to help people who are visually impaired find the appropriate place to cross the road... Only problem is, there are three disabled parking spaces in a row, one of which completely occupies the crossing point:-
here:-
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=Commonside,+Sheffield,+South+Yorkshire+S10,+Unit ed+Kingdom&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=15.84337,39.506836&ie=UTF8&cd=7&geocode=FSGbLgMdzCbp_w&split=0&hq=&hnear=Commonside,+Sheffield,+South+Yorkshire+S10,+ United+Kingdom&layer=c&cbll=53.380264,-1.472733&panoid=lMFgftTX3i3J30a0cNNM-Q&cbp=11,288.35,,0,25.31&ll=53.380269,-1.472726&spn=0.003942,0.018926&t=h&z=16.

Now, this is an old picture so it doesn't actually show the crossing and the parking spaces that tangle with each other, but trust me, that strip of Division St/ Barker's Pool between the post box and the fountain does indeed have a crossing as silly, and as nonsensical as the Blue-Badge Parking space you link to.