owls chairman LS is to guest on football heaven this wednesday to take questions from callers

http://www.swfc.co.uk/page/News/0,,10304~1981319,00.html

I think this could be very interesting!!

it'll certainly be worth a listen put it that way heh

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Will he resign? announce investments? issue a rally call to fans? announce administration ? or just have a go at the stay away fans?

Does anyone think you will get any answers or will it be RS tiptoeing around things callers vetted so nothing "controversial" getting through and nothing but spin and blaming the fans for not being at home games, and can't comment on investment, at a delicate point, being put over?
or...............................
A honest hard hitting interview with no quarter given?

I know which I think it will

BTW AD do you think he's (LS) has seen the other website you posted on ((Is This What We've Become?)don't know when it was put up) and that is why he is doing it?

Will he resign? announce investments? issue a rally call to fans? announce administration ? or just have a go at the stay away fans?

Sory LB ya got in before me

I hope someone asks him if hes going to QPR again this season.
Can't say i'll be listening to it though ive sacked em lol

Will he resign? announce investments? issue a rally call to fans? announce administration ? or just have a go at the stay away fans?

All of the above. lol

And the 1000/1 outsider. he is to put money into the club himself !

ok 50,000/1

And the 1000/1 outsider. he is to put money into the club himself !

ok 50,000/1

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but was Dave Allen the wealthiest chairman SWFC have ever had? LS is a skint member compared to him, McCabe is even better heeled, but please LB tell us where LS didn't say that he was donating his time and not his money to SWFC.

You appear to be very interested in cash injection at SWFC, why not put your money where your mouth is, and bung some of your hard earned into SUFC? You will be saving on home matches, whilst giving your cash to other clubs, go on LB get your hand in your pocket. ;)

And the 1000/1 outsider. he is to put money into the club himself !

ok 50,000/1

With Scrooge as his co investor.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but was Dave Allen the wealthiest chairman SWFC have ever had? LS is a skint member compared to him, McCabe is even better heeled, but please LB tell us where LS didn't say that he was donating his time and not his money to SWFC.

You appear to be very interested in cash injection at SWFC, why not put your money where your mouth is, and bung some of your hard earned into SUFC? You will be saving on home matches, whilst giving your cash to other clubs, go on LB get your hand in your pocket. ;)

Come on then big man, what do you think he will come out with?

Had i got the funds and the will to be a big knob in the football world there is no doubt i would put up funds (in United). As a mere supporter its a season ticket and super draw support only at present.

I have never hidden my mistrust of Strafford, and have followed his many failures with a passion, he will be Wednesdays down fall this season. His mis judgements, forcasts and media / public relation skills are a joke. His timeing in all announcements has been constantly flawed, Investment statements and player release lists have contributed to up setting players and fans alike. It would be no surprise at all for him to announce another cock up tomorrow on Radio Sheffield.

Its just a matter of how serious it is !!

Come on the big man, what do you think he will come out with?

probably nothing exciting, unless its investment news there's nothing for him to really say is there? and we all know the liklihood of that happening!

Come on the big man, what do you think he will come out with?

You put your money where your mouth is by purchasing the season tickets you have.
Strafford likes to rant about the fans who moan but don't buy season tickets.
If you were an owl it wouldn't be you he was ranting about.

Would it?;):).

Come on the big man, what do you think he will come out with?

Nowt, just as he said, what's my size got to do with the price of fish, by the way. :hihi:

To answer the inane post aimed at me. I shall be spending much of my time in a far warmer climate than that of the UK very shortly. I will even be there at the same time as the poster in April, to celebrate my retirement. :thumbsup:

To answer the person who thinks I have nothing better to do than aim posts at him.
Wrong again fool and I don't give a monkeys where you live.
The sooner the better.
The fact that you know when I will be in spain confirms your obsession in me.
You just can't help yourself.
Pretty good going really for someone who has me on ignore.

Wednesday evening should be entertaining 6pm Radio Sheffield - Straffords spin followed by the England match on ITV at 7.30pm.

Should be have a sweep to see how many times he promotes season tickets or gate money ?

he might be announcing the new away kit

Strafford has only used the media to his advantage and I fully expect he will do that tonight. I can't recall one bad word printed or spoken about him by any of the sheffield media.
He will have something up his sleeve or he wouldn't be doing it.

Not long now till Billy Bullshxxter takes to the airwaves, I was going to gop out tonight about the time he will be on, but I am in need of a good laugh so I am sure I will not be disappointed

Hope you dont mind me asking but why do you and thousands of Unitedites have such a mistrust of Strafford ? Are there genuine reasons or just a fear of what you think he may be capable of ?


Come on then big man, what do you think he will come out with?

Had i got the funds and the will to be a big knob in the football world there is no doubt i would put up funds (in United). As a mere supporter its a season ticket and super draw support only at present.

I have never hidden my mistrust of Strafford, and have followed his many failures with a passion, he will be Wednesdays down fall this season. His mis judgements, forcasts and media / public relation skills are a joke. His timeing in all announcements has been constantly flawed, Investment statements and player release lists have contributed to up setting players and fans alike. It would be no surprise at all for him to announce another cock up tomorrow on Radio Sheffield.

Its just a matter of how serious it is !!

Wednesday fan ? but arnt you all secretly :) just admit it ! If Mccabe was on I wouldnt even turn the radio on ....... were all Wednesday arnt we ?

applies tin hat :)

Not long now till Billy Bullshxxter takes to the airwaves, I was going to gop out tonight about the time he will be on, but I am in need of a good laugh so I am sure I will not be disappointed

Strafford has only used the media to his advantage and I fully expect he will do that tonight. I can't recall one bad word printed or spoken about him by any of the sheffield media.
He will have something up his sleeve or he wouldn't be doing it.

well ..... yeh!!! not gonna use it to try and make himself look like an idiot (altho given, he does sometimes!!)

Wednesday fan ? but arnt you all secretly :) just admit it ! If Mccabe was on I wouldnt even turn the radio on ....... were all Wednesday arnt we ?

applies tin hat :)

I'm not a wendy at all mate, its just that Mr Strappedforcash is a good comedian

I'm not a wendy at all mate, its just that Mr Strappedforcash is a good comedian



Genuine question mate why do you all think hes a comedian ?

I won't listen to it, I will wait for Titanics usual accurate and unbiased report.

Genuine question mate why do you all think hes a comedian ?

1. He comes into a club and puts the square root of fxxk all into it and announces he wants to be chairman. Tell me if I am wrong here but I would suggest all clubs chairmen and directors in the whole of the football leagues have put money in
2. The investment package which is about as likely as Wigan winning the premiership. You are given this date, that date. I think if he was honest and said which year he expects it to be done, it would be more honest.
3. Blames supporters for not showing up in sufficient numbers for failure to attract players into the club.

Thats three reasons-how many more do you want:hihi::hihi:

1. He comes into a club and puts the square root of fxxk all into it and announces he wants to be chairman. Tell me if I am wrong here but I would suggest all clubs chairmen and directors in the whole of the football leagues have put money in
2. The investment package which is about as likely as Wigan winning the premiership. You are given this date, that date. I think if he was honest and said which year he expects it to be done, it would be more honest.
3. Blames supporters for not showing up in sufficient numbers for failure to attract players into the club.

Thats three reasons-how many more do you want:hihi::hihi:

Don't hold back daftlad tell it straight what you think :hihi::hihi:

Don't hold back daftlad tell it straight what you think :hihi::hihi:

I do fella, I try to be straight to the point and objective but some people dont like this when I do

1. He comes into a club and puts the square root of fxxk all into it and announces he wants to be chairman. Tell me if I am wrong here but I would suggest all clubs chairmen and directors in the whole of the football leagues have put money in
2. The investment package which is about as likely as Wigan winning the premiership. You are given this date, that date. I think if he was honest and said which year he expects it to be done, it would be more honest.
3. Blames supporters for not showing up in sufficient numbers for failure to attract players into the club.

Thats three reasons-how many more do you want:hihi::hihi:


1. Youve never been so wrong not ALL directors put money into clubs although I agree he heasnt put any in but he did say he wouldnt be putting his own cash in.
2. He has never given a date when investment would be secured finalised call it what you will ... Please show me a statement where he has
3. Sorry to appear stupid but wages are paid by revenue from where ? so who would you say is to blame for not having available finances ?

The thing is all he has done is told it like it is

I do fella, I try to be straight to the point and objective but some people dont like this when I do

The thing is as I see it is that as soon as some posters see a Blade posting anything that could be construed as anti owl the shields go up and they go on the offense (it also applies the other way as well)
There are a couple of their posters on here that even if you had them on ignore and I only have 1 and I have not hiddenthe fact.
Even without reading the post you know they are having a dig and my hackles rise (and so do I to the bait)
If posters (and I include myself) stood back and took in FAIR criticism of their clubs without sniping and attacking posters perhaps there would not be as many removed
Unfortunately what you and I may take as FAIR criticism of their club they may not

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I will also add that any chairman who uses the media as much as he does leaves himself (and unfortunately his club) open to ridicule if things don't go according to plan

1. Youve never been so wrong not ALL directors put money into clubs although I agree he heasnt put any in but he did say he wouldnt be putting his own cash in.
2. He has never given a date when investment would be secured finalised call it what you will ... Please show me a statement where he has
3. Sorry to appear stupid but wages are paid by revenue from where ? so who would you say is to blame for not having available finances ?

The thing is all he has done is told it like it is

This bloke is taking you lot for mugs and you cannot see it. Its a case of the blind leading the blind.
If Mr Strappedforcash had large contact base like he said, don't you think there would be money in place by now. A crappy premiership team like Pompey has been taken over four times in the time he has been there. So have Queens Park rangers and why would they be taken over instead of a club like wendy. How many fans do they have and also they have a non descript crappy ground too. Then there is teams like Notts County who have found investment too a club in the lower echelons of football. Meanwhile Lee Strappedforcash just blunders on and feeds the supporters a load of complete bxllocks and you lot put up with it

I'm not a wendy at all mate, its just that Mr Strappedforcash is a good comedian

A comedian indeed, thats not funny. :hihi:

This bloke is taking you lot for mugs and you cannot see it. Its a case of the blind leading the blind.
If Mr Strappedforcash had large contact base like he said, don't you think there would be money in place by now. A crappy premiership team like Pompey has been taken over four times in the time he has been there. So have Queens Park rangers and why would they be taken over instead of a club like wendy. How many fans do they have and also they have a non descript crappy ground too. Then there is teams like Notts County who have found investment too a club in the lower echelons of football. Meanwhile Lee Strappedforcash just blunders on and feeds the supporters a load of complete bxllocks and you lot put up with it

I think you've completely missed the point, either that or you havnt looked into this enough to comment

Lee Strafford wants to find an investor - not someone to TAKEOVER the club. I'm sure we could have someone like a Ali Al-fahraj or Munto Finance takeover the club but i for one would be dead against it and would every other Wednesdayite out there (that includes LS)

Look at the state those clubs you've mentioned are in now:

have any of them progressed under their new ownership? no
are pompey and notts county in danger of not exisitng by the end of this season? yes
have they had owners there that dont want the club to proceed but just want to make a quick buck or increase their own personal porfolio? yes

do we want these people at Hillsborough? no
would you want these people at bramall lane? no

Lee Strafford is looking for someone to buy into his business plan and is not looking for a complete takeover. Sheffield Wednesday does not need a big investment to continue trading but does to develop and grow as a club which, when you look at other clubs around, isnt exactly a bad situation to be in

The thing is as I see it is that as soon as some posters see a Blade posting anything that could be construed as anti owl the shields go up and they go on the offense (it also applies the other way as well)
There are a couple of their posters on here that even if you had them on ignore and I only have 1 and I have not hiddenthe fact.
Even without reading the post you know they are having a dig and my hackles rise (and so do I to the bait)
If posters (and I include myself) stood back and took in FAIR criticism of their clubs without sniping and attacking posters perhaps there would not be as many removed
Unfortunately what you and I may take as FAIR criticism of their club they may not

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I will also add that any chairman who uses the media as much as he does leaves himself (and unfortunately his club) open to ridicule if things don't go according to plan

Yes and I agree with everything you say however I honestly think when you give a fair appraisal of Strafford you have to concede that he has revolutinised the club and the business in a massively positive way when you compare it to the shambles it was when he arrived. Links with the local community are a fantastic acheivement albeit to make sure of our core support for years to come ...... Yes he uses an aggressive PR stance but dont you think that SWFC needed a major injection of something drastic to pull them out of the terrible hole they had dug for themselves.

By the way petty name calling ie strapped for cash does the posters on here a complete dis service and makes you opinions ridiculous before you even post .

Lets keep it sensible If were gonn have a debate guys I know from the other threads there are lots of decent Blades ( ouch that hurt to say that :_

I think you've completely missed the point, either that or you havnt looked into this enough to comment

Lee Strafford wants to find an investor - not someone to TAKEOVER the club. I'm sure we could have someone like a Ali Al-fahraj or Munto Finance takeover the club but i for one would be dead against it and would every other Wednesdayite out there (that includes LS)

Look at the state those clubs you've mentioned are in now:

have any of them progressed under their new ownership? no
are pompey and notts county in danger of not exisitng by the end of this season? yes
have they had owners there that dont want the club to proceed but just want to make a quick buck or increase their own personal porfolio? yes

do we want these people at Hillsborough? no
would you want these people at bramall lane? no

Lee Strafford is looking for someone to buy into his business plan and is not looking for a complete takeover. Sheffield Wednesday does not need a big investment to continue trading but does to develop and grow as a club which, when you look at other clubs around, isnt exactly a bad situation to be in

Do you seriously think that someone who puts the amount of money needed to keep you owls going would just be happy with a place on the board, I know I wouldn't. Wednesday need loads of cash to manage the debts and to buy some new players in. If I was putting in that amount of money I would want to be owning the club outright. Lee Strappedforcash's business plan has been there to see for a couple of years now and nobody has come close to taking him up on it

Do you seriously think that someone who puts the amount of money needed to keep you owls going would just be happy with a place on the board, I know I wouldn't. Wednesday need loads of cash to manage the debts and to buy some new players in. If I was putting in that amount of money I would want to be owning the club outright. Lee Strappedforcash's business plan has been there to see for a couple of years now and nobody has come close to taking him up on it



Its quite interesting you keep expanding the length of time he has been at the club ! however he said from the outset that Sheffield Wednesday as a brand / business are not loss making year on year so there was no need for an outright takeover , however investment into a business without taking it over is common place in business providing you can see a return . As an earlier poster said do we want A Glazer Hicks Pompeys owners et al really TAKING OVER swfc ..... I think not

Do you seriously think that someone who puts the amount of money needed to keep you owls going would just be happy with a place on the board, I know I wouldn't. Wednesday need loads of cash to manage the debts and to buy some new players in. If I was putting in that amount of money I would want to be owning the club outright. Lee Strappedforcash's business plan has been there to see for a couple of years now and nobody has come close to taking him up on it

how do you know?! club 9 are in still in talks about investing but the liklihood is they will wait to see what division we are in next season as that will affect the valuation of the club etc

some investors like being in the background and its not like they wouldnt hav a say in the running of the club

Its quite interesting you keep expanding the length of time he has been at the club ! however he said from the outset that Sheffield Wednesday as a brand / business are not loss making year on year so there was no need for an outright takeover , however investment into a business without taking it over is common place in business providing you can see a return . As an earlier poster said do we want A Glazer Hicks Pompeys owners et al really TAKING OVER swfc ..... I think not

But don't you think these supposed people he might have been talking too were not offered anything in return for the investment he wanted. After all he is just a figurehead, not a chairman, he has put no money into the Owls whatsoever and then he will be telling investors you can put millions into the club, I have put sweet f.a. in but i will still be chairman

Yes the investors definately want something in return no one invests without promise of repayment would you ? Oh and to clarrify he IS the Chairman and did say at the outset " I have no money to invest I sold Plusnet and netted 3.5 million of which I have purchased a house , the rest is to live off for the rest of our lives If need be " . He isnt putting money in but that doesnt mean no-one will invest does it ?

how do you know?! club 9 are in still in talks about investing but the liklihood is they will wait to see what division we are in next season as that will affect the valuation of the club etc

some investors like being in the background and its not like they wouldnt hav a say in the running of the club

How can you be so sure that club 9 are still in the running though, my mates a true wendy and he says otherwise

Yes the investors definately want something in return no one invests without promise of repayment would you ? Oh and to clarrify he IS the Chairman and did say at the outset " I have no money to invest I sold Plusnet and netted 3.5 million of which I have purchased a house , the rest is to live off for the rest of our lives If need be " . He isnt putting money in but that doesnt mean no-one will invest does it ?

Why woulod you let him be chairman though when there are directors there who have put money into the club and are more deserving of the title chairman

Yes and I agree with everything you say however I honestly think when you give a fair appraisal of Strafford you have to concede that he has revolutinised the club and the business in a massively positive way when you compare it to the shambles it was when he arrived. Links with the local community are a fantastic acheivement albeit to make sure of our core support for years to come ...... Yes he uses an aggressive PR stance but dont you think that SWFC needed a major injection of something drastic to pull them out of the terrible hole they had dug for themselves.

By the way petty name calling ie strapped for cash does the posters on here a complete dis service and makes you opinions ridiculous before you even post .

Lets keep it sensible If were gonn have a debate guys I know from the other threads there are lots of decent Blades ( ouch that hurt to say that :_

Sheff I agree but what has he really done that anyone else couldn't have done even you or me
All he has done is listen to himself and done what he would like to change
He has called fellow blades some older and maybe wiser than him idiots and trouble causes on owlstalk / facebook (exact words used may be wrong but I can't be bothered to look back on the forum) who disagree with what he says
Is that the way a chairman should or would you want to act?
As a Blade I personally would be appalled and completely embarrassed if someone on our board came on any forum calling people 'dude' ect
The comments he came out with a couple (or 3)weeks ago about someone leaking things about an investment if some one on the board leaked it they want removing if someone not on the board did it where did they get the info from someone on the board that's where
You are more upfront than ever but he needs to keep a bit stumm
As for the names the fans both lots do it and I personally don't have a problem as long as it isn't pigs

Now this is where I have to tread carefully ... lets just say there is a difference between Directors and share holders and either of these bodies can insert a Chairman who has a viable and sustainable plan for growth and let them run the business which is what is happening now . There are many stay at home Company directors and owners who have people employed to run there businesses for them are there not ? As for deserving ? well in my humble opinion the current directors have shown by there actions in the last 10 years how much they " deserve "

How can you be so sure that club 9 are still in the running though, my mates a true wendy and he says otherwise

as of 26/02/10 club 9 were in talks with the co-op to further discuss their potential invesment

Sheff I agree but what has he really done that anyone else couldn't have done even you or me
All he has done is listen to himself and done what he would like to change
He has called fellow blades some older and maybe wiser than him idiots and trouble causes on owlstalk / facebook (exact words used may be wrong but I can't be bothered to look back on the forum) who disagree with what he says
Is that the way a chairman should or would you want to act?
As a Blade I personally would be appalled and completely embarrassed if someone on our board came on any forum calling people 'dude' ect
The comments he came out with a couple (or 3)weeks ago about someone leaking things about an investment if some one on the board leaked it they want removing if someone not on the board did it where did they get the info from someone on the board that's where
You are more upfront than ever but he needs to keep a bit stumm
As for the names the fans both lots do it and I personally don't have a problem as long as it isn't pigs



To a degree he has seen what needed fixing and tried to fix it and in hindsight yes we can all say well I could have done that but did any of us put a recovery business plan forward for SWFC and approach the board and say thats what needs doing now let me go and do it ? No we didnt but he did ..... furthermore hes doing it for nothing !

" Dude " I dont have a problem with but his handling of complaints from fans I have taken issue with him personally about and I agree its not acceptable, but you cant knock his passion !

Lets be r8 here, they must be very loyal fans who have bought season tickets for next season when they dont even know what division where going to be in.
If we can't attract investors now while were in the Championship what chance have we got in league 1?

as of 26/02/10 club 9 were in talks with the co-op to further discuss their potential invesment

Where did you see that? is it from club 9.
I know you will have seen it somewhere.

Now this is where I have to tread carefully ... lets just say there is a difference between Directors and share holders and either of these bodies can insert a Chairman who has a viable and sustainable plan for growth and let them run the business which is what is happening now . There are many stay at home Company directors and owners who have people employed to run there businesses for them are there not ? As for deserving ? well in my humble opinion the current directors have shown by there actions in the last 10 years how much they " deserve "

But supposed they had had enough totally of Wednesday and asked for their money back, where would you be then:hihi:

Lets be r8 here, they must be very loyal fans who have bought season tickets for next season when they dont even know what division where going to be in.
If we can't attract investors now while were in the Championship what chance have we got in league 1?



Theres as much chance in League one as now just the size of the investment may differ dependant on the league were in

Theres as much chance in League one as now just the size of the investment may differ dependant on the league were in

How can you guarantee that then?
I think people would be more interested in teams in the Championship and Premiership before they bother with us.
No-ones banging the door down now so why would they if we got relegated, its not exactly a positive thing to put to potential investors is it.
"Alright m8 i came in did all this business plan its spot on trust me i know what I'm doing BUT we got relegated while i was doing it, does that matter pal", ermmmmmmmmmmmm yes Lee :(

Investors look at a number of factors including league position but If your argument stacks up how did Notts County attract investment ? You have to sepearte to some degree the business plan and the playing side and whilst they are linked it only makes balance sheets more variable .

How can you guarantee that then?
I think people would be more interested in teams in the Championship and Premiership before they bother with us.
No-ones banging the door down now so why would they if we got relegated, its not exactly a positive thing to put to potential investors is it.
"Alright m8 i came in did all this business plan its spot on trust me i know what I'm doing BUT we got relegated while i was doing it, does that matter pal", ermmmmmmmmmmmm yes Lee :(

To be fair, IF the Owls were to be relegated, Administration is likly to follow, and therefore making the "sleeping giant" far more attractive to possible interested parties. The value of the club in the 1st division and the reduced debt will make them saleable .

No matter what strafford has said about administration, if the drop to the 1st divison does happen, Straffords opinion will be worthless, the bank will make the decision for him.

Investors look at a number of factors including league position but If your argument stacks up how did Notts County attract investment ? You have to sepearte to some degree the business plan and the playing side and whilst they are linked it only makes balance sheets more variable .

Forget the business side for one second yeah, what exactly have we done to change your mind on the pitch this season, to stop us from getting relegated?
Like some1 else said the first thing is to make sure they stay up surely as you get less money for being in league 1, sensible if you ask me.
As good as an offer it was to give our shirt sponsorship to the children's hospital how much money did we lose there?
I'm still bemused as to how a club who's in serious debt can give there shirt sponsorship away, that to me just seemed strange as we need every penny we can get?????

To be fair, IF the Owls were to be relegated, Administration is likly to follow, and therefore making the "sleeping giant" far more attractive to possible interested parties. The value of the club in the 1st division and the reduced debt will make them saleable .

No matter what strafford has said about administration, if the drop to the 1st divison does happen, Straffords opinion will be worthless, the bank will make the decision for him.


You and I both know not only will adminstration not happen it cant happen ( loan note holders and shareholders etc etc etc )

Investors look at a number of factors including league position but If your argument stacks up how did Notts County attract investment ? You have to sepearte to some degree the business plan and the playing side and whilst they are linked it only makes balance sheets more variable .

Notts County attracted investment because they were attracting people like Sven Goran Erikson who is a high profile figure and they were hoping to attract big names, they are still in a position to get promoted out of the league they are in at the mo, but the premiership in 5 years looks a bit out now

To a degree he has seen what needed fixing and tried to fix it and in hindsight yes we can all say well I could have done that but did any of us put a recovery business plan forward for SWFC and approach the board and say thats what needs doing now let me go and do it ? No we didnt but he did ..... furthermore hes doing it for nothing !

" Dude " I dont have a problem with but his handling of complaints from fans I have taken issue with him personally about and I agree its not acceptable, but you cant knock his passion !
But every fan shows passion and as for him doing it for nothing I have made my ideas on that on another thread

Right then we are getting to the 'nitty gritty' of why posters (Blades) keep picking up on what he keeps saying

If I remember correctly 20,000 Season tickets needed then drops to 18,ooo then 16,000 (If numbers not 100% accurate I apologize)

Then you need suddenly average 25,000 attendance at every home game or players will be sold in new year window
You will not average it or be anywhere near it but you haven't sold anyone
Is it the fans fault that you aren't getting 25,000 a game he thinks so
(IMO its because the fans don't trust the board and the football played and are showing their feelings by keeping away)

He is failing on every thing he says is needed

You and I both know not only will adminstration not happen it cant happen ( loan note holders and shareholders etc etc etc )

Admin surly can happen to any1 never mind what way your club is owned?
So your saying if Wednesday owed the taxman 4 million they would let us off with admin because our shares are all over the shop.
Surly that's totally wrong?

Forget the business side for one second yeah, what exactly have we done to change your mind on the pitch this season, to stop us from getting relegated?
Like some1 else said the first thing is to make sure they stay up surely as you get less money for being in league 1, sensible if you ask me.
As good as an offer it was to give our shirt sponsorship to the children's hospital how much money did we lose there?
I'm still bemused as to how a club who's in serious debt can give there shirt sponsorship away, that to me just seemed strange as we need every penny we can get?????


On the pitch nothing but as far as Im aware LS doesnt wear the number 9 shirt on a Saturday or any other day for that matter ..... re shirt sponsorship dont know the exact figures BUT fact : We sold thousands more shirts this year than previous years netting the club more than any sponsorship deal ever agreed with SWFC , the exact figures are somewhere on the official site .

I didnt say relegation had no impact i said it had an impact and that impact is negotiable

Notts County attracted investment because they were attracting people like Sven Goran Erikson who is a high profile figure and they were hoping to attract big names, they are still in a position to get promoted out of the league they are in at the mo, but the premiership in 5 years looks a bit out now




They didnt attract him they BOUGHT him ..... big difference ... they now have no money hence the be careful who buys your club argument

Where did you see that? is it from club 9.
I know you will have seen it somewhere.

kind of tricky as it was what Lee Strafford said at the recent fans forum

"It difficult at the moment; we think we have a good group there (Club 9), and we know that the Co-op are a very good and honourable bank," said Strafford. "The two good parties still have to agree a valuation. That's very difficult to do when you have two sets of numbers: 1. This is a Championship club. 2. This is a League One club.

"That means the piece has run slowly, and probably will continue to run slowly.

"I take comfort from the fact that we have done all we can. We have smartened the club up and put a professional plan in place."

is what has been quoted in the media

On the pitch nothing but as far as Im aware LS doesnt wear the number 9 shirt on a Saturday or any other day for that matter ..... re shirt sponsorship dont know the exact figures BUT fact : We sold thousands more shirts this year than previous years netting the club more than any sponsorship deal ever agreed with SWFC , the exact figures are somewhere on the official site .

I didnt say relegation had no impact i said it had an impact and that impact is negotiable

Strafford came onto the away stand at QPR last season and made a complete idiot of himself and actually nerly got his head kicked in by the Wednesdayites.
He was arguing with people saying if they dont like how he running the show fk off, now im sorry but thats the reason i dont like him why would i after him going off like that with fans who have probably been going to Hillsborough longer than hes been alive, what did him was all these deadlines what he kept coming out with when he first joined, people simply dont trust the bloke.
And at the end of the day weather he likes it or not its the paying football fans perogative.

But every fan shows passion and as for him doing it for nothing I have made my ideas on that on another thread

Right then we are getting to the 'nitty gritty' of why posters (Blades) keep picking up on what he keeps saying

If I remember correctly 20,000 Season tickets needed then drops to 18,ooo then 16,000 (If numbers not 100% accurate I apologize)

Then you need suddenly average 25,000 attendance at every home game or players will be sold in new year window
You will not average it or be anywhere near it but you haven't sold anyone
Is it the fans fault that you aren't getting 25,000 a game he thinks so
(IMO its because the fans don't trust the board and the football played and are showing their feelings by keeping away)

He is failing on every thing he says is needed



He isnt failing the fans are its a simple argument ... If we were say 3rd in the league is his plan sustainable ... ? absolutely but were not so the goal posts have changed and so does the plan have to ..... as I keep saying results drive attendances but LS keeps getting the blame for the one thing he cant control

kind of tricky as it was what Lee Strafford said at the recent fans forum

"It difficult at the moment; we think we have a good group there (Club 9), and we know that the Co-op are a very good and honourable bank," said Strafford. "The two good parties still have to agree a valuation. That's very difficult to do when you have two sets of numbers: 1. This is a Championship club. 2. This is a League One club.

"That means the piece has run slowly, and probably will continue to run slowly.

"I take comfort from the fact that we have done all we can. We have smartened the club up and put a professional plan in place."

is what has been quoted in the media


The reason I asked is because club 9 are not happy that their name has been leaked and after releasing the statement below said they would not be commenting further.
They will not be happy with Strafford discussing it on forums.

www.club9sports.com.

If the link doesn't work just search, club9 sports.

Strafford came onto the away stand at QPR last season and made a complete idiot of himself and actually nerly got his head kicked in by the Wednesdayites.
He was arguing with people saying if they dont like how he running the show fk off, now im sorry but thats the reason i dont like him why would i after him going off like that with fans who have probably been going to Hillsborough longer than hes been alive, what did him was all these deadlines what he kept coming out with when he first joined, people simply dont trust the bloke.
And at the end of the day weather he likes it or not its the paying football fans perogative




Dont remember that at QPR and yes I was there however wnt take issue with you ....... If you have been going to Hillsborough all that time you will appreciate that its everyones perogative to stay away however does that fix the club ? no ..... and thats all hes saying ........ its a bit like being a negative Wednesday fan slagging your own off and moaning at matches ! what exactly is that acheiving ?

They didnt attract him they BOUGHT him ..... big difference ... they now have no money hence the be careful who buys your club argument

exactly ... its quite easy to "attract" someone for £2.5m a year!

You and I both know not only will adminstration not happen it cant happen ( loan note holders and shareholders etc etc etc )

If you stand by the above post, and IF the Owls are relegated, take the administration factor out, and what alternative is there?

You cant get investment in the Championship. How do you clear your debt and progress as a club IF in the 1st division with the clubs financial history.?

The Division factor does not really matter at this stageeither, the financial state of all clubs has to be addressed, but the Owls are in a more serious mess than most clubs.

They didnt attract him they BOUGHT him ..... big difference ... they now have no money hence the be careful who buys your club argument

how do you buy a manager thats out of work as no transfer fee is paid

The reason I asked is because club 9 are not happy that their name has been leaked and after releasing the statement below said they would not be commenting further.
They will not be happy with Strafford discussing it on forums.

[url]www.club9sports.com

If the link doesn't work just search, club9 sports.


Those comments shed no new light on the investment process that was not already in the public domain so I doubt they will have any negative feelings toward him as a result

Admin surly can happen to any1 never mind what way your club is owned?
So your saying if Wednesday owed the taxman 4 million they would let us off with admin because our shares are all over the shop.
Surly that's totally wrong?

Yes it is (and don't call me Shirley)
They will do it at the drop of a hat AS WILL THE BANK
They will let you service the loan (only pay interest) for so long then they will start tightening the screws
The manager of the Co Op bank will have someone over his head and if something changes expect the knock at the door

how do you buy a manager thats out of work as no transfer fee is paid

with £2.5m a year in wages

how do you buy a manager thats out of work as no transfer fee is paid



Ok to clarrify ..........when i say bought I mean he was paid at least 2.5 million ....... its a bit different to your he was attracted comment ......

Dont remember that at QPR and yes I was there however wnt take issue with you ....... If you have been going to Hillsborough all that time you will appreciate that its everyones perogative to stay away however does that fix the club ? no ..... and thats all hes saying ........ its a bit like being a negative Wednesday fan slagging your own off and moaning at matches ! what exactly is that acheiving ?

Im 29 m8, he was shouting to everyone really so i was meaning the older ones around us.
And i wasn't on about the fan's staying away im on about the fans not trusting Strafford.

Yes it is (and don't call me Shirley)
They will do it at the drop of a hat AS WILL THE BANK
They will let you service the loan (only pay interest) for so long then they will start tightening the screws
The manager of the Co Op bank will have someone over his head and if something changes expect the knock at the door



We have been in league one recently and were at that point a loss ( large ) making business .... we now are operating at a profit so why would the bank put us into admin ? you ca point to the debt but that is being serviced quite happily and if we drop a division the club will have to budget for that but the co-op wont throw away all the money they are owed by SWFC and remember neither will the share holders nd loan note holders ,,,, simply wont and cant happen but again this is already publicly acknowledged fact

with £2.5m a year in wages

Are you saying the wednesday manager is on £50,000 a week?:hihi:.:hihi:.

We have been in league one recently and were at that point a loss ( large ) making business .... we now are operating at a profit so why would the bank put us into admin ? you ca point to the debt but that is being serviced quite happily and if we drop a division the club will have to budget for that but the co-op wont throw away all the money they are owed by SWFC and remember neither will the share holders nd loan note holders ,,,, simply wont and cant happen but again this is already publicly acknowledged fact

How any1 would see a club 27 million pounds in debt in league 1 an attractive investment in all honesty needs there head testing m8.
It hurts me to say it, but we have got to be realistic here also.

Those comments shed no new light on the investment process that was not already in the public domain so I doubt they will have any negative feelings toward him as a result

Club 9 were not happy with their involvment being disclosed then and by the statement "we will make no further comment" I should expect they expect the same from Loose Lips [Strafford]

Are you saying the wednesday manager is on £50,000 a week?:hihi:.:hihi:.

no, no im not

no, no im not

I don't see where you £2.5m comment is relevant to anything then.

the 2.5 mill comment was a reply to the guy saying about Eriksson notWednesday

I don't see where you £2.5m comment is relevant to anything then.

post #58, #62 and the general theme of some clubs finding quick investment who seem to have all the answers only to cock it all up

Yes it is (and don't call me Shirley)
They will do it at the drop of a hat AS WILL THE BANK
They will let you service the loan (only pay interest) for so long then they will start tightening the screws
The manager of the Co Op bank will have someone over his head and if something changes expect the knock at the door

Not a chance, we must be one of their best clients, we have been servicing the debt for years, with no hope (as yet) of redeeming it, they love clients like SWFC. As I have said on previous threads, the debt will be written down every year in the banks accounts, they wouldn't place a liability down as an asset would they?

1 We have been in league one recently and were at that point a loss ( large ) making business .... we now are operating at a profit so why would the bank put us into admin ? 2you ca point to the debt but that is being serviced quite happily and if we drop a division the club will have to budget for that but 3 the co-op wont throw away all the money they are owed by SWFC 4 and remember neither will the share holders nd loan note holders ,,,,5 simply wont and cant happen but again this is already publicly acknowledged fact

1) When you were in Div 1 You were attracting much higher crowds than now ie: more money
2) but how can the club keep servicing the loan with a)even less crowds than before ergo b) less income
3) Banks have and will foreclose on any loans
( I will now say I don't think they will but they can as stated in my previous post)
4) Who are the share holders? it is stated often enough by Wednesday fans no one knows how many or who there are, as for the loan note holders? the same applies
5) Publicly acknowledged fact? by whom? may and can Fact
If the banks have a overhaul of the higher echelons they may decide to cut their 'losses' (figuratively speaking) and call in the loan (or the tax man)

Is it my imagination or is Sheff66 Lee Strafford?? He certainly comes across that way...

I'm a blade and I'll be listening tonight. I find it fascinating. I can't wait to hear all the vetted callers praising Lee. There will be no 'bad' callers which will be a shame.

As far my views on LS.. I wouldn't trust him to look after my finances never mind a football clubs.

The reason I asked is because club 9 are not happy that their name has been leaked and after releasing the statement below said they would not be commenting further.
They will not be happy with Strafford discussing it on forums.

www.club9sports.com.

If the link doesn't work just search, club9 sports.

Taken from SWFC website
http://www.swfc.co.uk/page/News/0,,10304~1948696,00.html

Not a chance, we must be one of their best clients, we have been servicing the debt for years, with no hope (as yet) of redeeming it, they love clients like SWFC. As I have said on previous threads, the debt will be written down every year in the banks accounts, they wouldn't place a liability down as an asset would they?

That's you're opinion and others myself included have different ones (Even some Wednesdayites), things can and do change who is to say that either one is a certainty in 12-18 months time
I am pulling numbers out of the sky here so don't jump down my throat
You go to div 1 strafford rings fred (bank manager)" Hi Fred just to let you know since we got relegated I can't afford to pay the £1m a month interest can I drop it to £250k please ta dude"

Is it my imagination or is Sheff66 Lee Strafford?? He certainly comes across that way...

I'm a blade and I'll be listening tonight. I find it fascinating. I can't wait to hear all the vetted callers praising Lee. There will be no 'bad' callers which will be a shame.

As far my views on LS.. I wouldn't trust him to look after my finances never mind a football clubs.

HHHmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Could be :suspect:( or Alty's brother, Definately not someone who should be out hiding in bushes been here too long :gag::gag:) :hihi: :hihi:
I'll listen tonight and see what answers he gives out

I reckon the investments already fixed, ready to be rubber stamped....all we're waiting for is whether the investor puts in a league one size investment or a championship size investment. if the owls were 3rd in this division right now id safely say the investment would already be in place now. They are just waiting to see were we end up before chucking either amount A) championship or amount B) league 1 money at us.

I reckon the investments already fixed, ready to be rubber stamped....all we're waiting for is whether the investor puts in a league one size investment or a championship size investment. if the owls were 3rd in this division right now id safely say the investment would already be in place now. They are just waiting to see were we end up before chucking either amount A) championship or amount B) league 1 money at us.

can i have some of your confidence please!!!!!!

can i have some of your confidence please!!!!!!
lol sure i'll call the doctor for some more special pills

P.S allways the eternal optemist..

That's you're opinion and others myself included have different ones (Even some Wednesdayites), things can and do change who is to say that either one is a certainty in 12-18 months time
I am pulling numbers out of the sky here so don't jump down my throat
You go to div 1 strafford rings fred (bank manager)" Hi Fred just to let you know since we got relegated I can't afford to pay the £1m a month interest can I drop it to £250k please ta dude"

True Paul, your opinion not long ago was that we had already gone bankrupt. :hihi:

It has never been as cheap to service loans, my guess is the loan is arranged on terms of, circa one point above the BOEBR.

So SWFC can't afford to service the loan to the full, Fred isn't having any of us and calls it in, Fred then gets nowt as the club goes into administration, Fred would most probably take a reduced offer.

The CO-OP Bank is awash with money, they are paying next to bog all to investors, and charging over the odds on mortgages and personal loans. They are specialists in local authority banking, SWFC's business is probably small potatoes to them.

is everyone listening to jackanory on radio sheffield then:hihi:

cant really disagree with anything he's said so far.........

is everyone listening to jackanory on radio sheffield then:hihi:

So far he has blamed crooks, charletons, blades and non paying season ticket holders, !! yet not addressed any of his failiures yet.

2 MINS AFTER STATING NO OFFERS OF HELP OR INVESTMENT HAD BEEN MADE, HE STATED HE HAD TURNED DOWN ONE OR TWO OFFERS IN THE PAST YEAR OF WHAT HE THOUGHT WERE UNSUITABLE INVESTORS.

So far he has blamed crooks, charletons, blades and non paying season ticket holders, !! yet not address any of his failiures yet.

Thought you said Corks at first then lmao :hihi:

Charlatons & crooks names please Lee.Stop the tubthumping about flogging tickets,people will only pay good money to see good football get your head out of your arse & stop making us look cnuts

Charlatons & crooks names please Lee.Stop the tubthumping about flogging tickets,people will only pay good money to see good football get your head out of your arse & stop making us look cnutsyou know names cant be named, law suits would follow...

I've been listening and he is speaking a lot of sense, but I don't agree that only the last 3 games have been the problem and that if you look at the last 2 or 3 months then Wednesday will be safe... if it is just the last 3 games then how did they get there in the first place?

you know names cant be named, law suits would follow...

Convenient isn't it?

Groundless comments.

Convenient isn't it?

Groundless comments.
answer me this though, if you knew a dodgy git would you name him/her .. knowing you'd be dragged into court to prove your comments?

Just heard Kieron who is a blade get ceremoniously rejected on the radio, trying to ask a question and told to ring back and talk about the blades. What a complete tit that is presenting the show

To be honest i have listened to most of that and it sounds like were at a dead end.
Fans arnt going to pay for crap on the field especially after the last 12 years.
And Strafford aint up for taking a couple of risks.
looks like where going nowhere hes in dreamland thinking the fans are coming back in thousands.
The fans will be going in there thousands not coming back.
Sounds like he wants to get relegated aswell so fans will get off his back when we start winning a few games in league 1.
Sad times...........

I think his figures are a little bit strange, and if he is struggling to reach the aim of a £6m wage bill then I can't see how they will be established in the Championship.

answer me this though, if you knew a dodgy git would you name him/her .. knowing you'd be dragged into court to prove your comments?

If some crook tried to involve himself in my business yes.
What right has he to refuse potential funding on his opinion someone is bent?
He's not the most sincere person himself.
Anyone can make comments which can't be proven or discredited to excuse their own failings.

he saved the best til last, the investment 9 group are in discussions with the co-op bank, when a deal has been sorted we will be informed !!! but blah blah blah

Why is he not in those talks as chairman, the co-op had a lot of mentions.

answer me this though, if you knew a dodgy git would you name him/her .. knowing you'd be dragged into court to prove your comments?

Well it would not be the previous chairman, perhaps a more recent chief executive was in his mind. When he was pressed re the financial statement of mismanagement he changed the tone to mismanagement in recruitment etc !! bottled it understandably.

he saved the best til last, the investment 9 group are in discussions with the co-op bank, when a deal has been sorted we will be informed !!! but blah blah blah

Why is he not in those talks as chairman, the co-op had a lot of mentions.
He might bill them for advertising:hihi:

he saved the best til last, the investment 9 group are in discussions with the co-op bank, when a deal has been sorted we will be informed !!! but blah blah blah

Why is he not in those talks as chairman, the co-op had a lot of mentions.

Don't worry about it LB, it's nowt to do with thee anyway. :hihi:

Don't worry about it LB, it's nowt to do with thee anyway. :hihi:

You again !!:) You banned from owlstalk ?? thats the love in channel for owls fans tonight !!:hihi:

he saved the best til last, the investment 9 group are in discussions with the co-op bank, when a deal has been sorted we will be informed !!! but blah blah blah

Why is he not in those talks as chairman, the co-op had a lot of mentions.

the co-op essentially own sheffield wednesday thats why they are involved in any investment process

If some crook tried to involve himself in my business yes.
What right has he to refuse potential funding on his opinion someone is bent?
He's not the most sincere person himself.
Anyone can make comments which can't be proven or discredited to excuse their own failings.

he is executive chairman of sheffield wednesday, thats why

he is executive chairman of sheffield wednesday, thats why

sounds too far up his own backside to me

the co-op essentially own sheffield wednesday thats why they are involved in any investment process

Of course, but my point was he stated the co-op was in talks with club9. He as chairman distanced himself from involvement in those talks.

Strafford did well overall in the interview, but like you suggest i think the future is more down to the co-op and their views than any influence from Strafford.

There again one has to question who put Strafford in Charge,it would not be the co-op by any chance would it?

he is executive chairman of sheffield wednesday, thats why

Without a penny of his own involved, there are quite a few people with more say on the final outcome than him.

Of course, but my point was he stated the co-op was in talks with club9. He as chairman distanced himself from involvement in those talks.

Strafford did well overall in the interview, but like you suggest i think the future is more down to the co-op and there views than any influence from Strafford.

There again one has to question who put Strafford in Charge,it would not be the co-op by any chance would it?

well, as we were discussing earlier - strafford has been in talks with club 9 (along with nick parker i assume) and after that initial communication, they re now talking to the co-op, thats how it works

strafford said we could have had investment in the past year from people he did not see fit to run th club (people like munto finance, ali-al-fahraj etc)

as long as we can raise £6m of income a year then we can continue to trade at break-even as we did last year (something not a lot of football clubs do at the moment)

To be honest i have listened to most of that and it sounds like were at a dead end.
Fans arnt going to pay for crap on the field especially after the last 12 years.
And Strafford aint up for taking a couple of risks.
looks like where going nowhere hes in dreamland thinking the fans are coming back in thousands.
The fans will be going in there thousands not coming back.
Sounds like he wants to get relegated aswell so fans will get off his back when we start winning a few games in league 1.
Sad times...........

I would address his attitude to 1st division footy next season, had he buried his head in the sand hoping the possibility of relegation would just go away?

strafford said we could have had investment in the past year from people he did not see fit to run th club (people like munto finance, ali-al-fahraj etc)

Yes he did, and just 2 minutes previous said, he had no offers what so ever !

Anyway England match is on soon, more entertainment.

You again !!:) You banned from owlstalk ?? thats the love in channel for owls fans tonight !!:hihi:

I just thought of Corky and me snogging. :gag:

I thought he came across well, I particularly liked his response to the caller that asked for £300 Season Tickets for adults and £75 quid for kids and that the Co-Op would never allow it.

Seems that other clubs around here could learn a thing or two from the Co-op Bank.

I would address his attitude to 1st division footy next season, had he buried his head in the sand hoping the possibility of relegation would just go away?

To be honest there what else could he do?
They can't buy their way out of trouble.
The only change possible was done, sack the manager.

I thought he came across well, I particularly liked his response to the caller that asked for £300 Season Tickets for adults and £75 quid for kids and that the Co-Op would never allow it.

Seems that other clubs around here could learn a thing or two from the Co-op Bank.

£333 season tickets and £50 for kids must really light the managers eyes up at the co-op.

I thought he came across well, I particularly liked his response to the caller that asked for £300 Season Tickets for adults and £75 quid for kids and that the Co-Op would never allow it.

Seems that other clubs around here could learn a thing or two from the Co-op Bank.

I missed that bit. I thought he said that the Co-Op wouldn't allow anymore signings... or was that a different bit?

£333 season tickets and £50 for kids must really light the managers eyes up at the co-op.

It depends on the numbers taking it up.

The caller (and no it wasn't me) thought we'd get 20-22,000 buying them, so I suppose in that sense it would make sense if these were people not going to games now.

I missed that bit. I thought he said that the Co-Op wouldn't allow anymore signings... or was that a different bit?

That was a different bit, it came near the end!

I missed that bit. I thought he said that the Co-Op wouldn't allow anymore signings... or was that a different bit?

Another deadline moved at hillsborough, the season ticket offer of no price increases for 3 years has been extended another month.

That was a different bit, it came near the end!

Must have missed it. I was a little busy at the same time I had it on. Am I right in thinking that he said that he is aiming for a £6m wage budget but that will only happen with 25,000 crowds?

If that is the case, then i'm afraid that I think the club is looking at League One, as with a £6m wage budget they would still have one of the lowest in the Championship.

It depends on the numbers taking it up.

The caller (and no it wasn't me) thought we'd get 20-22,000 buying them, so I suppose in that sense it would make sense if these were people not going to games now.

Well with the great season you have had and prices frozen for three years, I can't see any reason for you not to sell up to six thousand more season tickets for next season than this season.:rolleyes:.

I thought he came across well, I particularly liked his response to the caller that asked for £300 Season Tickets for adults and £75 quid for kids and that the Co-Op would never allow it.

Seems that other clubs around here could learn a thing or two from the Co-op Bank.

well we're 1/3 of the way there to hitting our minimum budget for next season already. at least we know our club is in good hands and will not take huge risks like it has under previous regime's and like other clubs have done/are doing now

it might just be a case of standing still while all others around us go backwards

Its simple really, no one will pay 25 quid to come and watch dross, never mind how much of an affection you have for a club, everybody's human.
Wednesday fans must be one of the most loyal sets of supporters in the country, but 12-13 what ever years of waiting for something to change is going to test even the most avid of fan.
Strafford goes on as though we have only just got into this situation, and hes telling fans that they need to stay in the championship and stabilise for a few years, how many like we've been waiting for stability since i was a teenager.
The patience has been lost by a lot of Wednesday fans, my dad and uncle used to travel all around the country and Europe when we got there watching Wednesday.
My dads view on Wednesday these days is, i wouldn't even go to watch them there crap basically.
Honest and to the point.......

well we're 1/3 of the way there to hitting our minimum budget for next season already. at least we know our club is in good hands and will not take huge risks like it has under previous regime's and like other clubs have done/are doing now

it might just be a case of standing still while all others around us go backwards

16,000 last season, offers attracting 9% new buyers = 17,440 next year.
Presuming everyone from last year renews.

Highly Unlikely.

Its simple really, no one will pay 25 quid to come and watch dross, never mind how much of an affection you have for a club, everybody's human.
Wednesday fans must be one of the most loyal sets of supporters in the country, but 12-13 what ever years of waiting for something to change is going to test even the most avid of fan.
Strafford goes on as though we have only just got into this situation, and hes telling fans that they need to stay in the championship and stabilise for a few years, how many like we've been waiting for stability since i was a teenager.
The patience has been lost by a lot of Wednesday fans, my dad and uncle used to travel all around the country and Europe when we got there watching Wednesday.
My dads view on Wednesday these days is, i wouldn't even go to watch them there crap basically.
Honest and to the point.......

You make a very good point, a lot of these young fans now are only going to be able to remember the bad times.

Its simple really, no one will pay 25 quid to come and watch dross, never mind how much of an affection you have for a club, everybody's human.
Wednesday fans must be one of the most loyal sets of supporters in the country, but 12-13 what ever years of waiting for something to change is going to test even the most avid of fan.
Strafford goes on as though we have only just got into this situation, and hes telling fans that they need to stay in the championship and stabilise for a few years, how many like we've been waiting for stability since i was a teenager.
The patience has been lost by a lot of Wednesday fans, my dad and uncle used to travel all around the country and Europe when we got there watching Wednesday.
My dads view on Wednesday these days is, i wouldn't even go to watch them there crap basically.
Honest and to the point.......

at 17.59 tonight i'd hv probably agreed with u. but to be fair i can completely understand what strafford is trying to say- if we dont get an outside investment from someone like club 9, then the only way we're going to have a half decent budget that we can put up a reasonable fight with (either in this league or in league 1) is from money put into the club by fans buying season tickets, corperate events etc etc

it was interesting to hear him say:
Plan A is getting loads of season tickets sold etc
Plan B is someone investing in the club

im now a convert! and im now going to watch england play in what will probably be yet another boring friendly game lol!

at 17.59 tonight i'd hv probably agreed with u. but to be fair i can completely understand what strafford is trying to say- if we dont get an outside investment from someone like club 9, then the only way we're going to have a half decent budget that we can put up a reasonable fight with (either in this league or in league 1) is from money put into the club by fans buying season tickets, corperate events etc etc

it was interesting to hear him say:
Plan A is getting loads of season tickets sold etc
Plan B is someone investing in the club

im now a convert! and im now going to watch england play in what will probably be yet another boring friendly game lol!

Hes not said anything we havent already heard or read.
Like i said were at at a dead end cause the fans are not coming back.
Why would they.
The only realistic hope is for someone to come in and spend something simple really.
Would you be happy to be like we have for another 12 years because by the sound thats whats happening.
The only option is admin or a cash injection, until either happens Strafford needs to rethink when it comes to fans attending.

Hes not said anything we havent already heard or read.
Like i said were at at a dead end cause the fans are not coming back.
Why would they.

hopefully because they want to see this club go forward, we all think big invesment is unlikely yet expect us to have a top notch team

if no-one buys a season ticket then we have no club - like any other club (apart from maybe man city lol)

You make a very good point, a lot of these young fans now are only going to be able to remember the bad times.

That is very true, however there are still a significant number of people who remember the good times. They are the market that the club needs to attract. Young men will always go to football, it is a tribal thing. The middle aged bloke is the difficult one to attract. LS is trying to do this, I wish him luck.

Corker's point is an important one too, quality on the pitch is what counts. I'm a season ticket holder, I've already renewed for next season too. However if Wednesday were playing in my back garden at the moment, I'd close the curtains.

hopefully because they want to see this club go forward, we all think big invesment is unlikely yet expect us to have a top notch team

if no-one buys a season ticket then we have no club - like any other club (apart from maybe man city lol)

Not really a water tight business plan though is it to be fair, relying on fans which have suffered greatly to shed even more cash out on something which might be a total failure like this season for instance, buy your season ticket and we will buy players, bloody Tommy Miller and Darren Purse two guys who will be hanging there boots up and are finishing there career at the Owls.

Not really a water tight business plan though is it to be fair, relying on fans which have suffered greatly to shed even more cash out on something which might be a total failure like this season for instance, buy your season ticket and we will buy players, bloody Tommy Miller and Darren Purse two guys who will be hanging there boots up and are finishing there career at the Owls.

well then thats faith in the manager's ability not the chairman's (to sign decent players)

its not water tight no, but there aren't really many other revenue streams we can persue are there? i cant think of another way for us to raise the money needed to be competitive other than someone investing or match day revenue etc

well then thats faith in the manager's ability not the chairman's (to sign decent players)

its not water tight no, but there aren't really many other revenue streams we can persue are there? i cant think of another way for us to raise the money needed to be competitive other than someone investing or match day revenue etc

I can't believe hes been so blind to even think the fans will come back till something major happens.
Thats why im calling it a dead end, the fans simply are not going to.
He shouldn't need advising on that and his business plan is hoping for miracles.
Another thing thats no one has mentioned yet is not every fan is into the business side of things at Hillsborough and just rely on a decent team to go and watch which ain't happening and hasn't for years.

True Paul, your opinion not long ago was that we had already gone bankrupt. :hihi:

It has never been as cheap to service loans, my guess is the loan is arranged on terms of, circa one point above the BOEBR.

So SWFC can't afford to service the loan to the full, Fred isn't having any of us and calls it in, Fred then gets nowt as the club goes into administration, Fred would most probably take a reduced offer.

The CO-OP Bank is awash with money, they are paying next to bog all to investors, and charging over the odds on mortgages and personal loans. They are specialists in local authority banking, SWFC's business is probably small potatoes to them.

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=544515
I know that's the thread you're going on about so right then"smart arse" you're words not mine page 8 post141 You got away once saying that I had posted something now the thread is closed so nothing can be changed PROVE where I said You were bankrupt or shut up saying things you can't prove and apologise or are you going to throw the dummy out again BTW don't bother PMing me lets keep ii in public view

I can't believe hes been so blind to even think the fans will come back till something major happens.
Thats why im calling it a dead end, the fans simply are not going to.
He shouldn't need advising on that and his business plan is hoping for miracles.
Another thing thats no one has mentioned yet is not every fan is into the business side of things at Hillsborough and just rely on a decent team to go and watch which ain't happening and hasn't for years.

yeh mate good point thats what my dads like these days, spoke to him today and he aint goin to leicester game on the back of the past few games cant reallty blame him, he doesnt go on the internet every day etc and doesnt hear what Strafford is going on about and just goes on what he see's on the pitch

one thing i dont like about Strafford is his view that everyone goes on the internet and everyone goes on ourwednesday.com etc ... lets face it, they dont! its probably a good idea long term coz years down the line we'll all be online (not just us lot lol!) but we need to worry bout the here and now!

yeh mate good point thats what my dads like these days, spoke to him today and he aint goin to leicester game on the back of the past few games cant reallty blame him, he doesnt go on the internet every day etc and doesnt hear what Strafford is going on about and just goes on what he see's on the pitch

one thing i dont like about Strafford is his view that everyone goes on the internet and everyone goes on ourwednesday.com etc ... lets face it, they dont! its probably a good idea long term coz years down the line we'll all be online (not just us lot lol!) but we need to worry bout the here and now!

I love it when i go to the match with my dad or uncle, m8s loyaltys go straight out of the window lol.
I went to St James Park with him this season and we had a top day and night.
Believe it or not the first thing we saw when we went over the bridge as you get into Newcastle was a Grosvernor casino, you dont need to ask where we parked and if we went in i think you know the answer to that lol.
typical of my dad to win a hundred quid on bandit and get free parking in there car park, not to mention bribing a fan right at the front of the que with a fiver to get us to the frnt, the old school are not thick lol.

This bloke is taking you lot for mugs and you cannot see it. Its a case of the blind leading the blind.
If Mr Strappedforcash had large contact base like he said, don't you think there would be money in place by now. A crappy premiership team like Pompey has been taken over four times in the time he has been there. So have Queens Park rangers and why would they be taken over instead of a club like wendy. How many fans do they have and also they have a non descript crappy ground too. Then there is teams like Notts County who have found investment too a club in the lower echelons of football. Meanwhile Lee Strappedforcash just blunders on and feeds the supporters a load of complete bxllocks and you lot put up with it

oh dear daftlad you really do suit your user name and are 1 of many reasons i dont post on here much.
POMPEY--debts spirraling 60mil plus, 4 owners this season, bottom of premier,was a possibility of club not existing at all. in admin
QPR-- 5 managers this season and just 3 pts above wednesday and now have kevin blackwell mk 2 at the helm.
NOTTS COUNTY---spiralling debts 6 mil plus, 3 managers this season
on the brink of admin this season and 3 owners this season THE ABOVE SHOWS WHY THE CORRECT INVESTMENT IS VERY IMPORTANT AND WHAT A RUBBISH POST YOURS WAS!!!!!!!:loopy:

Rotherham fan in peace.

Can anyone tell me the reason Wednesday just dont do an Administration and wipe the debt? What is preventing that?

Because hearing Strafford it seems you are hamstrung by past debt. And he obviously cant pour the money in to sort that out.

Obviously at the moment it would be a crippler given the points deduction but long term what is stopping the Owls doing administration and getting out from under?

Rotherham fan in peace.

Can anyone tell me the reason Wednesday just dont do an Administration and wipe the debt? What is preventing that?

Because hearing Strafford it seems you are hamstrung by past debt. And he obviously cant pour the money in to sort that out.

Obviously at the moment it would be a crippler given the points deduction but long term what is stopping the Owls doing administration and getting out from under?

Your welcome here m8, Rotherham are a good club.
Strafford brushed off a lot of important questions tonight and didn't write admin out atall, he basically said what can i do if it did happen.
TAX MANS DUE !!!

Rotherham fan in peace.

Can anyone tell me the reason Wednesday just dont do an Administration and wipe the debt? What is preventing that?

Because hearing Strafford it seems you are hamstrung by past debt. And he obviously cant pour the money in to sort that out.

Obviously at the moment it would be a crippler given the points deduction but long term what is stopping the Owls doing administration and getting out from under?

very welcome mate ur basically sheffield's 3rd team these days with Sheffield FC playing in Dronfield hahaha!!!
only jokin pal!

p.s fancy loaning le fondre to us for the rest of the season?

he said basicaly that at the moment swfc pay just over £500k per year to maintain the stadium, if they went into admin the stadium and training ground would both be sold to finance companies and rented back to swfc at a cost of around £2m per year, thus atm they are better off out of admin

he said basicaly that at the moment swfc pay just over £500k per year to maintain the stadium, if they went into admin the stadium and training ground would both be sold to finance companies and rented back to swfc at a cost of around £2m per year, thus atm they are better off out of admin

Sounds as if he has looked into it .:|

Its a catch 22 situation, the fans are not gonna budge and it looks like Mr Strafford aint either.
Not a good mixture but whats the answer ??????