Ricardo Carvalho has become the first player to start moaning about not being in the squad.. This quote coming from the sky sports website-

Ricardo Carvalho admits he is puzzled as to why Chelsea manager Jose Mourinho preferred William Gallas in central defence for the Premiership opener at Wigan.

The Portuguese defender is upset with his fellow countryman for bracketing him in the group of players who are not starters and need to convince the Blues boss they should get in the starting XI.

After an accomplished first season in England, Carvalho did not expect to be ousted from the side as Mourinho tries manfully to juggle the embarrassment of riches at his disposal.

"I want to know why I didn't play," he told A Bola.

"How can I explain when I don't understand it?

"Sincerely, I gave a lot of thought and time to myself but cannot find a valid explanation.

"It's totally incomprehensible.

"I don't understand why Mourinho said I have to wait for another opportunity to play this season. I don't understand the reason he put me in a group including Robert Huth, Joe Cole and Tiago.

"Sincerely, I don't understand why he told me what he told me. I don't believe I'm going to be third choice.

"The Premiership has begun and I will play many games, I have no doubt.

"It's incomprehensible that I will become third choice.

"At FC Porto, I didn't have an easy life with Mourinho, especially in the year he arrived. But, in time, I recovered my confidence and finished in a big way.

"I don't want an identical situation at Chelsea."

Carvalho's message that there is no way he will allow himself to slip down the pecking order, and that he cannot fathom why he has been left out, might actually be encouraging to Mourinho as the Blues manager looks for hunger from his players.

Oh yes!! Im rubbing my hands already.
And when Essien comes into the side, that will really stir it up for chelski.

My money is on Man Utd for the league this season... Chelski wont cope with all the moaning superstars in the squad who cant get a game!!

It was bound to happen - but the fact of the matter is... if you join Chelsea you're not going to play week in, week out as they do have a very large squad full of talent... and assuming they go a reasonable distance in the cups and Europe then they will have a large number of games to play too.

If Carvalho doesn't accept that they he shouldn't be at a big club, especially one with the squad and fixture list like Chelsea's.

I wouldn't rub your hands too much though - even if he does leave (which I dont think he will) it's not like Chelsea dont have enough players to "pick up the slack"... or the money to replace him if needed.

As for ManUre winning the league this season - I can't see it myself. I may be proved wrong (god I hope not) but I think the top 3 will be:

1) Chelsea
2) Arsenal
3) Man U

saw a few reports about this.......

End of the day, if carvalho wishes to leave, i dont think chelsea will find it hard to replace him. in fact they have gallas terry and huth in centre, soim sure even if he decided to get the hump they would easily manage through the transfer windows.

but.... this little outburst from him has cost him something in region of £100,000, perhaps he will learn

The little outburst might be shrugged off by Mourinho but it will get a lot worse when Essien comes in and problems start arising with his midfield players.

i'm becoming increasingly bored of chelsea, althou mouriniho is well funny when he gets goin!!

.. And now Robben is complaining about the squad rotation policy!!
They wont let him got though surely??

Hahahaha - oh its all kicking off now....

Originally posted by ANGELUS
.. And now Robben is complaining about the squad rotation policy!!
They wont let him got though surely??

Hahahaha - oh its all kicking off now....

if you read properly, he has been quoted as saying something along them lines. it has not been substantiated yet.

but even if Robben was too go, they have wright phillips, cole and duff for the wings..... and money to buy more

Robben was moaning about living here last season so i wouldn't be surprised if he did go. Carvalho's outburst was the first sign of unrest at Chelsea, hardly a stampede of players wanting out.
So what if they both left. Chelsea will still win the league this season. I doubt Chelsea would even bother replacing them straight away.

ManU on the other hand...... Didn't they have a very public problem between Ferguson and Keane :suspect:

Essien causing problems? He is a GREAT player. He will strengthen their team so much it will outweigh any issues caused by the squad overload.
Chelsea signing him is heart breaking, especially as he is a self confessed Man United fan (as was John Terry as a boy-used to go to OT with his Dad!)

Here we go again :)

vidster

Keano and Fergie, fall out all the time, this one made national press.. its all sorted out now as is usually the case.. end of story!

Robbie Lovin

If Robben were to go, they would lose their best winger, why would mourinho let him go? Or he would be stupid if he did.
After Carvalho moaning about the rotation system- do you think Mourinho would let another one of his players go public and say- there is a problem at chelski.. so I very much believe Robben said this and Mourinho shut him up fast.

Guderian

The more and more I hear from you mate, the less and less I think you are an actual red??

Essien will strengthen the squad, no question about that.

YES, it will cause a few more people at chelsea to groan because they wont get in the squad on a regular basis ie: Joe Cole for one.
So there WILL be unease at chelski.

Essien- has NEVER been a Utd fan.. this was all press made up BS!

And now Chelski have to rely on luck again against Arsenal..
My, how chelski have fallen.

They were the 'dominating force' last year.. and now what?
They luckily beat Wigan and now arsenal.

God I cant wait till we play them later on this season!!

The more I hear about you Angelus, the less I think of you.....

1) I saw Essien interviewed about a year ago when he spoke of his actual love for United. So your comment about the press making it up is the only BS round here.
2) I gathered you would have loved that Tyldsley commentary in Barcelona. Those of us actually there had an even better time.

Hope your sofa is comfy. It needs to be.

SO were back to the high and mighty- your not a proper fan because you dont go to games ****e again are we?

1. Essien when linked to Utd, told everyone anything they wished to hear to engineer himself a move to us, that was before Chelski came in and offered more money, and what a surprise, Essien has now been a chelski fan all his life... load of media spouted ****e mate and like the rest of you 'fans' you have fell for it, hook line and sinker.

2. Yes, I did not go to Barcelona in 1999, but thats because I had my first child to look after at that point who was born earlier that year, priorities mate! - Priorities!
Because maybe unlike you- I put family first, instead of following a football team around the globe.

If I could have gone - I would have..
My sofa is very comfy mate as well thankyou :)

Just because a lot of us dont go to games, does not mean we dont know about football mate, and I've supported Utd since birth 26 years ago- how about you?

Back to you for the next insult fella :)

Just thought of something as well Guderian.

Since you happen to go to all the games and everything like a good little red, since I am ****e because I dont go to all the games, what say you about our fans from around the world then who cant get to games?

Are they not deserving of being a man utd fan in your opinion as well the same as I in your eyes? Are they not much of a fan because they cant get over to manchester?

Because, if you answer that question and say they dont deserve to support the club being 'arm chair fans' as you called me, you are the biggest spouter of ****e wearing a red shirt and a disgrace sir.

The people who watch utd and follow them quite gladly, whether sat at home, in a pub, or somewhere else in the world have the same love for the club as you do.. even though you go and watch them every game I take it.

Back to you - and I await your response with great interest.

I just object to you the way you seem to consider yourself THE authority on the club.
I told you something about Essien which was a fact, as i had seen him say so with my own eyes. You completely disregarded my statement, as if you knew something to the contrary, when in fact you did not.
i am sorry - I just think that if we finished this season in 8th place, you wouldnt be much longer a red. After reading your comments about ending your support if "we become a selling club" it made my blood boil.
P.S And you were SO right about Ballack and Owen! Not.

Originally posted by ANGELUS Keano and Fergie, fall out all the time, this one made national press.. its all sorted out now as is usually the case.. end of story! [/B]

i believe this time it was a lot more harsh than previous times to be honest.

Originally posted by ANGELUS If Robben were to go, they would lose their best winger, why would mourinho let him go? Or he would be stupid if he did.
After Carvalho moaning about the rotation system- do you think Mourinho would let another one of his players go public and say- there is a problem at chelski.. so I very much believe Robben said this and Mourinho shut him up fast.
[/B]

like i have said previously, i dont think robben was critiscising, just answering a question regards to whether in a hypothetical situation what would happen...... you have to look back to when they played erm.... think it was liverpool maybe? and a lot of players was said to be unhapy that he was not willing to put himself in contention for a starting role, even though the club doc's had passed him fit. its also debateable whether he is there best left winger too.....

the reason i come to the conclusion robben has not spoke out is, when was the last time you saw him not start a game when he himself has been unhappy with his fitness?

Originally posted by ANGELUS
And now Chelski have to rely on luck again against Arsenal..
My, how chelski have fallen.

They were the 'dominating force' last year.. and now what?
They luckily beat Wigan and now arsenal.

God I cant wait till we play them later on this season!! [/B]

your looking at a team who have not even started playing to anywhere near where we all know they can play..... if i was a chelsea fan (which i never would be) and they was playing like that and still got 6points out of 6, with out conceding a goal too i would be more than happy, especially as one of the teams was arsenal....... so you cant wait to play them? is this so they can EMBARRASS you yet again? man utd have started off well with 6points, conceding no goals and +3 goal difference is it? but lets face it, no matter how you try and mask it, your a spent force in comparison to arsenal and chelsea.

Angelus - do you love your mum?
Do you go and see her or just watch her on telly?
:-)

Yes, i believe our world wide support DO love the club.
But I also know that when our period of success ends (as it inevitably will and perhaps already has), that its these fans who will be the first to jump ship.
Some of them have already made noises in that direction.
Ring any bells?

NO FURTHER QUESTIONS,YOUR HONOUR!

Originally posted by Guderian
I just object to you the way you seem to consider yourself THE authority on the club.
I told you something about Essien which was a fact, as i had seen him say so with my own eyes. You completely disregarded my statement, as if you knew something to the contrary, when in fact you did not.
i am sorry - I just think that if we finished this season in 8th place, you wouldnt be much longer a red. After reading your comments about ending your support if "we become a selling club" it made my blood boil.
P.S And you were SO right about Ballack and Owen! Not.

I am in no way the authority on the club- you must be your honour!
You who are so wise in the way of the reds.

Essien has joined Chelski, get over it.. he aint worth £26m.. and he's said it himself.. he has NEVER been a Man Utd fan.. ever.. and I will take that to my grave- if you can find proof in video form that I can see for myself that he said he was a Man Utd fan, then I will quite honestly come on here and tell you, you were right- until that time my friend... prove it!
Otherwise- STFU about it :)

I would not care if we finished in 8th place mate- AS LONG- and this is the condition- as long as we do not get rid of our star players.. ie: The world class ones.

If we lose them, and its the boards doing ie: Not giving them the wages they want and deserve and ******* them about ala Giggs- then I would find it hard to trust them.. and would consider leaving supporting the team.

Maybe I was wrong about Owen & Ballack... just maybe!
:)

Originally posted by Robbie_Lovin
i believe this time it was a lot more harsh than previous times to be honest.

like i have said previously, i dont think robben was critiscising, just answering a question regards to whether in a hypothetical situation what would happen...... you have to look back to when they played erm.... think it was liverpool maybe? and a lot of players was said to be unhapy that he was not willing to put himself in contention for a starting role, even though the club doc's had passed him fit. its also debateable whether he is there best left winger too.....

the reason i come to the conclusion robben has not spoke out is, when was the last time you saw him not start a game when he himself has been unhappy with his fitness?

your looking at a team who have not even started playing to anywhere near where we all know they can play..... if i was a chelsea fan (which i never would be) and they was playing like that and still got 6points out of 6, with out conceding a goal too i would be more than happy, especially as one of the teams was arsenal....... so you cant wait to play them? is this so they can EMBARRASS you yet again? man utd have started off well with 6points, conceding no goals and +3 goal difference is it? but lets face it, no matter how you try and mask it, your a spent force in comparison to arsenal and chelsea.

Fergie & Keano have always had bustups in the past and this was one of the times they had a disagreement, that lasted for like a day... no biggie! Just a different clash of opinions.

Robben, is chelski's best winger by far- or thats what the media would have you believe :) He technically is their best winger though.

I am looking at a team at the minute, who are- fighting internally- whether you choose to believe it in the press or not- and maybe in a couple of weeks time we will see a few more players speaking out which will confirm it.

I have seen them play last season, and what I saw was good, dont get me wrong, but to hype them up like the media and most fans have done is just mental.

Look at them now.. they are barely winning games are they not? Thats 2 flukey wins on the trot.. yes they are still winning.. but by god.. if we played them tmrw- I'm telling you now.. the way we are playing at the moment.. it will end in chelski on the losing side.

Chelski seem to have problems defending on the flanks if the opposition get through the midfield, which arsenal did loads today.. now we have park & ronaldo who like to attack down the flanks.. and ruud and rooney are scoring again, its looking good for us.

People are still living in last seasons glory I see.. yes we did lose to them last season-- now is a new season and the slate is clean.. lets see them do us again now!

Keep believing we are a spent force as well... it just makes it much better for us when we win the title back!

Originally posted by Guderian
Angelus - do you love your mum?
Do you go and see her or just watch her on telly?
:-)

Yes, i believe our world wide support DO love the club.
But I also know that when our period of success ends (as it inevitably will and perhaps already has), that its these fans who will be the first to jump ship.
Some of them have already made noises in that direction.
Ring any bells?

NO FURTHER QUESTIONS,YOUR HONOUR!

Do I love my mam? How would you like me to answer that one mate? I hardly see my mam so thanks for bringing that up though :(

You say our period of success ends- like we have already been killed off.. fans like you **** me right off.

Think positive fella- just because Glaziers come in, you're all acting like we are ****ing dead!! We are not dead at all, we have rebuilt a little and we are looking stronger than ever for me. If fans want to leave the supposed 'sinking ship' then let them- we have a big enough fanbase to bring someone else in their place? Why bother thinking like that.

Say for example- you stopped going, do you really think anyone would care? No! Because someone would already be in your shoes- with a season ticket.. possibly me, maybe someone else.
Thats how diverse we are.

If they want to leave- let them- its their choice.

As long as we keep our players and the board supports fergie then Im happy! Whats wrong with that?

A little while ago when the leprechaun came in, I saw people burning and ripping up their season tickets promising never to go again to United.. Im still a fan.. does that say something about me?

Yes - I think you are incredibly naive about a lot of things, but it depends which way the wind is blowing.
P.S Essien was on the Champions League magazine programme on ITV about 9-10 mths ago. He remarked how growing up in Ghana he had a treasured United shirt which he wore constantly, and how he admired Fergie as a coach.
He's not worth £26m, but there is no way we could compete with Chelsea.

Anyway, you still haven't answered how your Glazer "business model" works- that is to say, you seem to believe

a) glazer can repay the huge interest on his loans whilst
b) granting Fergie INCREASED transfer funds to what he otherwise would have had to spend.

We have yet to see any evidence of that.

And its not about GOING to games. i just seriously believe you dont really understand what united are all about. You actually BACK Glazer. Its incomprehensible.
No, i haven't ripped my season ticket up because the club does not face disaster. But its certainly not a good thing.
If you think otherwise then you have no soul.

Originally posted by ANGELUS
Fergie & Keano have always had bustups in the past and this was one of the times they had a disagreement, that lasted for like a day... no biggie! Just a different clash of opinions.

like i stated previously, this seems a bigger one than per usual....

Originally posted by ANGELUS
Robben, is chelski's best winger by far- or thats what the media would have you believe :) He technically is their best winger though.

so he is better than duff? not at this time i would not say no.... maybe he has morepotential

Originally posted by ANGELUS
I am looking at a team at the minute, who are- fighting internally- whether you choose to believe it in the press or not- and maybe in a couple of weeks time we will see a few more players speaking out which will confirm it.

how do you know they are fighting internally? carvallho has apologised publicly for his outburst

Originally posted by ANGELUS
I have seen them play last season, and what I saw was good, dont get me wrong, but to hype them up like the media and most fans have done is just mental.

they lost one game all season.... broke so many records.... and added better players to the ranks this summer, why shouldnt they be hyped up to the max? its an exciting era still regardless of how many big players come

Originally posted by ANGELUS
Look at them now.. they are barely winning games are they not? Thats 2 flukey wins on the trot.. yes they are still winning.. but by god.. if we played them tmrw- I'm telling you now.. the way we are playing at the moment.. it will end in chelski on the losing side.

but they have not played to the abilities we all know they are.... you found it hard to break down villa.... so you expect you would break down the best defence in the league? im thinking not

Originally posted by ANGELUS
Chelski seem to have problems defending on the flanks if the opposition get through the midfield, which arsenal did loads today.. now we have park & ronaldo who like to attack down the flanks.. and ruud and rooney are scoring again, its looking good for us.

park really aint that good..... he is decent yes, but he has a lot to prove. and he has done nothing to suggest he wouldbe getting past del horno/ferreira

and ronaldo did nothing last season

Originally posted by ANGELUS
People are still living in last seasons glory I see.. yes we did lose to them last season-- now is a new season and the slate is clean.. lets see them do us again now!

living in the past? pot kettle black??

Originally posted by ANGELUS
Keep believing we are a spent force as well... it just makes it much better for us when we win the title back!

if you win the title within next 3 seasons i will be very surprised.....

Originally posted by Guderian
Yes - I think you are incredibly naive about a lot of things, but it depends which way the wind is blowing.
P.S Essien was on the Champions League magazine programme on ITV about 9-10 mths ago. He remarked how growing up in Ghana he had a treasured United shirt which he wore constantly, and how he admired Fergie as a coach.
He's not worth £26m, but there is no way we could compete with Chelsea.

Anyway, you still haven't answered how your Glazer "business model" works- that is to say, you seem to believe

a) glazer can repay the huge interest on his loans whilst
b) granting Fergie INCREASED transfer funds to what he otherwise would have had to spend.

We have yet to see any evidence of that.

And its not about GOING to games. i just seriously believe you dont really understand what united are all about. You actually BACK Glazer. Its incomprehensible.
No, i haven't ripped my season ticket up because the club does not face disaster. But its certainly not a good thing.
If you think otherwise then you have no soul.

Like I said mate- find me video evidence, I will call you the guvnor- fair enough? :) You fine me that evidence, you will be the one who is right in this discussion!

There is no way we could compete with chelski- man.. you just dont get it do you-- financially in the transfer markets- nope.. financially in a business sense - we are the worlds best dont forget that - and on the pitch... they have won us what 3/4 times... that was last season.. we have a better GK and an excellent buy in Parkie... dont worry mate- that side of things will pick up this season I'm telling you now.

I am positively glowing about playing chelski now.. and I havent had this feeling since we beat 'invincible' arsenal... on their 50th unbeated game remember- and I recall a lot of our faithful saying we would not beat them either, the rest is history.
You need faith to be a fan mate- get some.

You are turning into a doom spreading merchant and I dont like any red to be like that - so snap the hell out of it fast :)

a) glazer can repay the huge interest on his loans whilst
b) granting Fergie INCREASED transfer funds to what he otherwise would have had to spend

Glazier CAN repay the loans... it will just take some time to do, and we WILL be getting increased funding, they have already said have they not- if fergie needs a new player to make the club successfull - they will get the player for fergie.. and I believe them.

You tell me what your vision of united then is mate.. maybe it differs from mine? Mine as I see it, is a world class football team that is the worlds most recognised club, with fans reaching all over the world, more than any other team in the globe- how am I doing so far? The business side of our club is still world class and we bring in the most amount of cash every season, even more than real madrid still.

If I think otherwise I have no soul??

I'm sure you cried in 1999 and it was the happiest year of your life when you saw your team you supported since birth lift the trophy that means so much to our club?
Because I for one did.

How old are you by the way?
Because I really do think that you are quite youngish- and Im thinking your younger than 25 are you not?

One question to you -
Do you think you own Manchester United as a fan?

And I think you can ask any manchester united fan the same thing?

The answer is NO

Did you pay £700m for Manchester United?

Errm NO...

The fans DO NOT own Man Utd - we need to keep this in mind!
We ****ed up by becoming a PLC.. thats it- end of.

Originally posted by Robbie_Lovin

so he is better than duff? not at this time i would not say no.... maybe he has morepotential

You are saying to me- that Robben is not as good as Duff?
:) Aw man- do you not know anything about football.
I bet you didnt even know who robben was did you before he came to chelski? Honestly?



how do you know they are fighting internally? carvallho has apologised publicly for his outburst

He was made to apologise, the same as robben, how many more people need to make an outburst before it sinks in?
Give it time.



they lost one game all season.... broke so many records.... and added better players to the ranks this summer, why shouldnt they be hyped up to the max? its an exciting era still regardless of how many big players come

They lost one game all season- wow!
Broke so many records- oh my god :)
Added better players this summer - Oh sweet jesus!

They have every right to be hyped with all the cash they have spent over 2 years- give it time mate, give it time- you know when we beat them this season.. make sure you keep this bookmarked on your PC.. because Im coming back to this.

As the arsenal hype died in the space of a year- wait and see - thats all I'll say to you! :)


but they have not played to the abilities we all know they are.... you found it hard to break down villa.... so you expect you would break down the best defence in the league? im thinking not

They have abilities very true- the thing with chelski this season I've seen is the ability to sit back and soak up- which works fine until you have people with pace on the wings.. which ****s that system up royally. You will see it this season fella.
Again wait and see! :)

We scored one against villa- thats true- but the pressure we put them under- until they cracked.. thats going to be the test of chelski this season- to see them tested for a change.

Best DF in the league against the supposed 2nd best of ours- we'll see this season again.


park really aint that good..... he is decent yes, but he has a lot to prove. and he has done nothing to suggest he wouldbe getting past del horno/ferreira

Time will tell- :)

and ronaldo did nothing last season
Ronaldo is still improving, but remember after all the cash chelski spent - Rooney and Ronaldo are still the top 2 young players in the world as voted for by the top managers in the world.. both of them will test chelski this season.


living in the past? pot kettle black??

Erm.. no when did I do that??
YOU'RE the one quoting me the chelski facts and figures from LAST season... its a new season fella- the old one died months ago-- were back to the here and now :)
Thats what matters.


if you win the title within next 3 seasons i will be very surprised.....

So if we did win the title within 3 seasons, what would you say then about us? If we win it this season- what excuse could you come up with for chelski then?

I am 32 pal.
And Van Der Sar is not better than Cech. I would have them level. But lets not forget that Chris Coleman dropped Edwin last year after a couple of poor games. He has a tendency to flap. i have yet to see Cech do that.
I have faith - i am just not blind.

Originally posted by ANGELUS
You are saying to me- that Robben is not as good as Duff?
:) Aw man- do you not know anything about football.
I bet you didnt even know who robben was did you before he came to chelski? Honestly?

Honestly? well i saw him when he played for gronigen!! that good enough for you.... in fact, i was amazed that PSV let him go to be honest, think the question is.... did you know anything about him before he was linked with man utd/chelsea?

Originally posted by ANGELUS
He was made to apologise, the same as robben, how many more people need to make an outburst before it sinks in?
Give it time.

how can you force somebody to apologise?

Originally posted by ANGELUS
They lost one game all season- wow!
Broke so many records- oh my god :)
Added better players this summer - Oh sweet jesus!

They have every right to be hyped with all the cash they have spent over 2 years- give it time mate, give it time- you know when we beat them this season.. make sure you keep this bookmarked on your PC.. because Im coming back to this.

im hoping you do keep it bookmarked too

Originally posted by ANGELUS
As the arsenal hype died in the space of a year- wait and see - thats all I'll say to you! :)

i dont believe the arsenal hype has calmed down to be honest....

Originally posted by ANGELUS
They have abilities very true- the thing with chelski this season I've seen is the ability to sit back and soak up- which works fine until you have people with pace on the wings.. which ****s that system up royally. You will see it this season fella.
Again wait and see! :)

well they did good last season.... and del horno looks better than bridge

Originally posted by ANGELUS
We scored one against villa- thats true- but the pressure we put them under- until they cracked.. thats going to be the test of chelski this season- to see them tested for a change.
Best DF in the league against the supposed 2nd best of ours- we'll see this season again.
Time will tell- :)

yeah, even under all pressure you gave them, you only managed one goal.... had that been chelsea they would have not been under such pressure, and would have shown your defence a thing or 2

Originally posted by ANGELUS
Ronaldo is still improving, but remember after all the cash chelski spent - Rooney and Ronaldo are still the top 2 young players in the world as voted for by the top managers in the world.. both of them will test chelski this season.

both of them was there to test chelsea last season was they not?...... where as chelsea have brought in more to test man utd, even though they embarrassed you last season by beating you in your own back yard

Originally posted by ANGELUS
Erm.. no when did I do that??
YOU'RE the one quoting me the chelski facts and figures from LAST season... its a new season fella- the old one died months ago-- were back to the here and now :)
Thats what matters.

YOU and 0THER man utd fans always bring up the past history (maybe not in this thread)

Originally posted by ANGELUS
So if we did win the title within 3 seasons, what would you say then about us? If we win it this season- what excuse could you come up with for chelski then?

like i said, id be VERY surprised, but if they was to win a title in that time i will holdmy hands up and admit im wrong.... no problems

Originally posted by Guderian
I am 32 pal.
And Van Der Sar is not better than Cech. I would have them level. But lets not forget that Chris Coleman dropped Edwin last year after a couple of poor games. He has a tendency to flap. i have yet to see Cech do that.
I have faith - i am just not blind.

Van Der Sar-- is one of the worlds best keepers mate, or had you forgotten that?

Cech was a nobody who suddenly appeared from nowhere to be in the spotlight.

People forget this little fact- yes Van Der Sar will flap, and I expect that.. but I have faith.. and he wont do it in the big games like our other keepers and we needed that confidence.

You really dont know that much about world football do you not?
:)

To say that Van Der Sar is not better than cech- you would have them level??? Then tell me Cech is better because he does not flap-- you are boring me now fella, that tells me everything I need to know about you right there!

You did start off good though until this point :)

Originally posted by ANGELUS
Van Der Sar-- is one of the worlds best keepers mate, or had you forgotten that?

WAS one of the best

Originally posted by ANGELUS
Cech was a nobody who suddenly appeared from nowhere to be in the spotlight.

appeared from nowhere? he holds the record for consecutive clean sheets in austria...... he nearly got the all time record to with his respective team over there.... still cudicini is better than van der sar

Originally posted by ANGELUS
People forget this little fact- yes Van Der Sar will flap, and I expect that.. but I have faith.. and he wont do it in the big games like our other keepers and we needed that confidence.

time will tell

Originally posted by ANGELUS
You really dont know that much about world football do you not?:)

seems to know more than you

Originally posted by Robbie_Lovin
[B]Honestly? well i saw him when he played for gronigen!! that good enough for you.... in fact, i was amazed that PSV let him go to be honest, think the question is.... did you know anything about him before he was linked with man utd/chelsea?

Seeing as how I study world football more than the english leagues, I would say yep.. I have known about him a lot longer than most fans, he is rated a lot higher in the world than Damien Duff I can assure you of that :)

how can you force somebody to apologise?

By docking their large wages for 2 weeks and threatening more!


im hoping you do keep it bookmarked too

Its in there already mate- ready and waiting :)

i dont believe the arsenal hype has calmed down to be honest....

And again - just like Guderian.. you have failed miserably as a football fan.

The hype surrounding arsenal was immense, probably more than the chelski hype now.. as soon as they lost to us on the 50th game.. the hype started to die spectacularly ending when they lost the league to chelski.

Its dead mate- the spotlight is now on chelski to **** up on.. and they will.. give it time.

well they did good last season.... and del horno looks better than bridge

Damn right fella- summat we agree on. :)

yeah, even under all pressure you gave them, you only managed one goal.... had that been chelsea they would have not been under such pressure, and would have shown your defence a thing or 2

Really! We will see this season then shall we not-
Are you putting money on the game then?

both of them was there to test chelsea last season was they not?...... where as chelsea have brought in more to test man utd, even though they embarrassed you last season by beating you in your own back yard

They did beat us at OT.. which I myself have to admit was humiliating to say we were winning them 1-0.. dont forget that!
But to lose 3-1 and with the team they had out as well... very bad for us :(

YOU and 0THER man utd fans always bring up the past history (maybe not in this thread)

I assure you that I do not... the past is the past mate.
Thats it.. we were champions.. we aint not
We were euro champs - we aint now.

like i said, id be VERY surprised, but if they was to win a title in that time i will holdmy hands up and admit im wrong.... no problems

If you could do that- I would be very impressed mate :)

Angelus - you have just embarrassed yourself with your e-mail old chap.
Van Der Sar - is past his best.
Cech - was certainly NOT a nobody before he signed for chelsea, and has youth on his side.

Van Der sar can do a job for us, but he is no Schmeichel.

Originally posted by Guderian
Angelus - you have just embarrassed yourself with your e-mail old chap.
Van Der Sar - is past his best.
Cech - was certainly NOT a nobody before he signed for chelsea, and has youth on his side.

Van Der sar can do a job for us, but he is no Schmeichel.

Its not an email mate- its a post!
Little difference there fella :)

Van Der Sar is getting on.. how old was schmeichel when he won us the european cup though?

Cech- if you had heard of him mate.. I would give you a million quid right now... to say you had is a load of crap, even I didnt see him as a decent goalkeeper and I look at the world football scene very closely.

Van Der Sar- aint schmikes- no way near.. but he is the best we have got for now.. he was my choice to come in.

Right.. its prove your worth as football fans...
Guderian and Robbie_Lovin

If you know your stuff as football fans answer me this.
And this is where I think you will come undone as english footy fans.

Did you hear about Carvalho before he came to chelski and what is so special about him that prompted most of the best teams in the world to have a go for him?

If you dont get this.. debates over chaps and you are listening to the media too much over here.

Over to you fellas.. prove your worth time.

And I'll give you 2 mins so you cant cheat as well..

Originally posted by ANGELUS
Seeing as how I study world football more than the english leagues, I would say yep.. I have known about him a lot longer than most fans, he is rated a lot higher in the world than Damien Duff I can assure you of that :)

yes he is.... but duff has only ever played here,

Originally posted by ANGELUS
By docking their large wages for 2 weeks and threatening more!

2 weeks fines is a maximum fine you can give a player, and please dont refer to other cases where they was fined higher.... because if the player wishes to dispute that then they can, and would not have to pay the fine

Originally posted by ANGELUS
And again - just like Guderian.. you have failed miserably as a football fan.

The hype surrounding arsenal was immense, probably more than the chelski hype now.. as soon as they lost to us on the 50th game.. the hype started to die spectacularly ending when they lost the league to chelski.

why have i failed? yes the hype around arsenal is CALMER, but it has not calmed down, everybody still expects so much of arsenal....

Originally posted by ANGELUS
Really! We will see this season then shall we not-
Are you putting money on the game then?

i never bet on man utd, as they are so hit and miss

Originally posted by ANGELUS
They did beat us at OT.. which I myself have to admit was humiliating to say we were winning them 1-0.. dont forget that!
But to lose 3-1 and with the team they had out as well... very bad for us :( not forgetting they beat you in the league cup too

I'll give you another minute..
Come on lads.. prove yourself as footy fans..

Originally posted by ANGELUS
Did you hear about Carvalho before he came to chelski and what is so special about him that prompted most of the best teams in the world to have a go for him?

i saqw him play before he came yes, although i knew very little of him.....

im not sure what your getting at though to be honest.....

mourinho was his boss, hence the reason chelsea bought him, also his wages are relatviely cheap coming from porto.... he had great potential.... and already had played on so many big stages when he arrived

Times up fella's - and the answer is:
And this is what 99% of football fans dont know is.

Carvalho was considered one of the best defenders of the Euro 2004 Championship and was voted before the tournament started europes best right back... by none other than world soccer magazine who are the most important in world football.

I have known this for over 6 years.. more than most people.. and I think its laughable now I hear the abuse at him from chelski and its fans :)

Well, sorry to say you failed the challenge.. and therefore debates over fellas.

Nice talking with you though.. you just aint in my league :)
Arrivederci fellas!

Originally posted by ANGELUS
Times up fella's - and the answer is:
And this is what 99% of football fans dont know is.

Carvalho was considered one of the best defenders of the Euro 2004 Championship and was voted before the tournament started europes best right back... by none other than world soccer magazine who are the most important in world football.

I have known this for over 6 years.. more than most people.. and I think its laughable now I hear the abuse at him from chelski and its fans :)

Well, sorry to say you failed the challenge.. and therefore debates over fellas.

Nice talking with you though.. you just aint in my league :)
Arrivederci fellas!

lets be honest....this proves nothing my friend, just because you read a magazine? are you living in this world?

ok.... so your saying you knew about him for 6 years?? well he was at porto for 6 years..... and amassed a MASSIVE 73 league appearances....... now for 6 years thats not very much! agreed? yes we know he was voted one of the players at euro 2004..... like i say, he has played on the big stages. but he was relatively an unkwown a year before that

Are you serious about Carvalho?
He signed for chelsea last summer. By that stage he was already an International! And you are saying i possibly hadn't heard of him?
I saw him with my own eyes play against England AND against United when they beat us in the C League!
Long before Chelsea came knocking.

And i dont care for your no doubt useless piece of trivia about him.

You tit.
6 years ago (1999) he was playing for Vitoria Setubal, an unheard of Portugese side!! He had been drummed out of Porto as he was not rated after playing ONE game for them!!!

He rejoined them in 2001 via Alverca.


Robbie - lets all laugh at Angelus!

Originally posted by Guderian
You tit.
6 years ago (1999) he was playing for Vitoria Setubal, an unheard of Portugese side!! He had been drummed out of Porto as he was not rated after playing ONE game for them!!!

He rejoined them in 2001 via Alverca.


Robbie - lets all laugh at Angelus!

Angelus dear man, Guderian is right

Although he joined Porto in 1997/98 only two years into his professional career, which had started at FC Leça, Ricardo Carvalho was forced to prove himself on a number of lengthy loan spells before he could be fully integrated into the Porto squad.

After playing only once for Porto, Ricardo Carvalho moved on to Vitória Setúbal, where he was able to showcase his skills in the top flight on a regular basis. He returned to Porto but was sent out on loan to FC Alverca in 2000/01 for another season.

With central defensive stalwart Jorge Costa having joined English club Charlton Athletic FC on a six-month loan, Ricardo Carvalho seized his opportunity at Porto. He played 25 games in the league and ten more in European competition to demonstrate that he was far more than just a squad player.

With Porto now blessed with a number of talented defenders, Ricardo Carvalho was forced to fight for his place. The defensive rock ended the season with winner's medals in the championship, Portuguese Cup and UEFA Cup, where he played all 120 minutes against Celtic FC. He enhanced an already burgeoning reputation by playing all 1170 minutes of football as Porto won the Champions League, beating Monaco 3-0 in the Gelsenkirchen final.

now if you wanna go in to detail any more thats up to you.

but by your reckoning too....... all the topclubs was after him cause he was mentioned in a magazine as being the left back??? i bet all top clubs do this these days, pick up amag and buy some new players.... saves thousands on scouting

As we are both gaying up on me.. I'll have to come back with a response to finish this off once and for all- then I want the mods to lock the thread for good.

I set you a challenge, to name what was special about Carvalho, something simple that I thought even two bright football fans such as yourself should know-- and you failed the challenge.

It took about 5-10 mins before a post came back which was adequate time for either one of you to check up on the internet which you did OR go onto CM2005 or FM2005 to check his stats.. and thats pathetic to the both of you.

Carvalho was being watched since he first started to play football and had been tracked by all the major clubs since then, which I thought you might have known??? Maybe not :)

He started off as a right back before Mourinho asked him to change flank - which he did and its now stuck.. you didnt even know that... he was ranked highly enough before the euro championships - which you didnt know as well.

You only know what you've seen of him through watching him play against England- and that is quite sad really.

Both of you.. like I said before- are nowhere in my league, not even close fellas :) - and for the both of you to say you are football fans- takes the **** even more- and with that in mind I would now like this thread killing, it has bored me now to the fullest- so it needs killing off the forum.

And with that.. I take my bow... and depart -

PS: Guderian

I notice you once again having ago at a Man Utd player in the 'which player is gay' forum?

If you were a man utd fan you stupid fool, you would not be saying the things you are doing- if you are a red.. leave the club now mate, you should be ashamed of yourself.

Angelus - not only are you arrogant, I think you are dim as well.
The fact is, you were wrong about Carvalho - he was NOT being tracked. You dont spend 3 seasons with a lower side like Setubal if you are being "groomed".
He was a late developer. Simple as. And he's already not very good now. Totally overated.
P.S All I said about O'Shea is that I too had heard the rumours that he was gay.
Now go away. You bore.

As per the original poster's request, closing it down.

Joe