Need I say more-- look at the proof tonight.
We are losing 3-0 to a frankly ****e team.

Sven out! Now!

4-1 down now!
Sven out!!!

Its a friendly mate they mean nowt....;)

If we cant beat Denmark .. and we get bitchslapped 4-1 -- what hope do we have of winning the world cup?

It does matter.. it just shows how ****e we really are when our heads go down.

Bet if you asked Sven and the players playing tonight i bet none of them wanted to play..its the bloody F.A wanting to make more money....England will get to the World Cup thats a sure thing I back Sven 100%

Ay! They will get to the world cup. No qualms about that, but we WILL NOT ever win the thing again.

My money has been on Brazil since last year when I fancied a flutter.. and I will be collecting next year mark my words.

Good to see patroitism alive and kicking :(

Oh yeah!! :)
Dont get me wrong.. I love England.
I just hate Sven.

Totally the wrong bloke for the job.

It's only a friendly after all, if there is such a thing! I just hope he nows realises that Calamity James just isn't the man for the job then maybe some good will have come out of this game. I'm completely miffed how he gets selected time after time!

If Sven kicks James out of the team I reckon we are in with a chance.

I dont think Sven is wrong for the job, I just think that the English football team is crap full stop to be fair. That isnt Svens fault.

Originally posted by ANGELUS
4-1 down now!
Sven out!!!

Based on just tonights result :loopy:

Take a look at all the results from the meaningful games under Sven :wink:

he has a bad attitude in friendlies.

what i can't understand is why the English team went off at the end smiling.:confused:

Why is anyone talking about football, when the ashes are in progress?

Originally posted by muddycoffee
Why is anyone talking about football, when the ashes are in progress?

Because football is way more popular than cricket

And i'm not quite ready for a sleep tablet yet :wink:

Originally posted by Ally68
I just hope he nows realises that Calamity James just isn't the man for the job

Calamity strikes again !

He should have stuck to modelling !

do we care it's only a friendly/warm up. at least he knows who not to put in the goal next week.
england rarely show any passion in friendlies i think they are on autopilot.

I can't understand why Sven makes all of these terrible substitutions. I know it's a friendly but surely we have to keep some credability in the ranks. David James is absolutely terrible. Rob Green is a much better keeper. Glen Johnson is young and inexperienced and never really plays for Chelsea anyway but only in friendlies. Joe Cole is good but tries the odd trick a bit too much. Rooney was the only one making some effort and looked remotely dangerous. We need to stick with a team so they can gel together, not make daft substitutions all the time.
:rant:

Check out the headlines this morning - as ever David James is getting a right slagging off - but this time he admits "It's all about the pre-match preparation...and I didn't bother"

Speechless!!!!

Yes it was a poor performance and no-one is happy that we lost (nevermind the way in which it happened) but you have to remember that this is only a friendly...

..calling for Sven to be sacked it a little premature I think - especially given his record in competative matches (when it really counts).

Hopefully Sven will make it a positive by learning a few things from it...like making too many subs can cause the team to lose its shape... and David James is not good enough to play at this level.

Personally I would also say that Owen, Rooney and Defoe are all too similar in style (fast, good at running on and off the ball but short and not good in the air) to play together - I think England are still struggling to get a real pairing up front that work together since Shearer retired from international football.

Given the choices the England squad currently has I would have been tempted to play Owen along side someone like Crouch.

At the end of the day though - it was a friendly.

Let Sven go to the World Cup, and if we fail to qualify or go there but bomb out early on THEN get rid for someone new.

His style has been boring score, contain, win. Hardley imaginative.

The problem doesn't lie with Sven, it lies with David James.

England haven't had a decent keeper since Seaman, but we need to give Paul Robinson a decent chance. So long as James doesn't get put in net for the matches that matter we'll be ok!

Originally posted by sheff_minx
The problem doesn't lie with Sven, it lies with David James.

England haven't had a decent keeper since Seaman, but we need to give Paul Robinson a decent chance. So long as James doesn't get put in net for the matches that matter we'll be ok!

Totally agree! We need to give Robinson as much timeas possible. Thats my point with our best team! We ned time to getl which means play otgether more and not put daft subs on like Glen Johnson!:rant:

Originally posted by ANGELUS
4-1 down now!
Sven out!!!

utter nonsense,

yes this was a bad result, but to sakc a manager over a FRIENDLY? unbelievable.

look at svens record in competitive games, i believe he has only lost 2 competitive games with england

robinson > james - end of, james' should be hung drawn and quatered and never be given the privilige of wearing an england shirt again.

same with owen.

but ive been saying this since pre euro 2004!

hopefully that will be the last we see of DJ in an england shirt.

Also - Glen johnson cant defend for ****!

Having lived abroad and seeing the attitude of teams playing friendlies, I can't see a lot of difference. Whats the point of going flat out in a friandly. Having said that, whats the point of a friendly at all. There is always a high risk of players getting injured.

Wait until the real matches happen. It will be different, mark my words. :clap: :thumbsup: :heyhey: :D

England lost by default; and James was responsible for de faults.

Originally posted by muddycoffee
Why is anyone talking about football, when the ashes are in progress?

Cricket! its just a phase people are going through when people can only watch it on sky from next yaer far less people will make an effort to watch it, now the footie has started again many are back into their routine of just being bothered about football again.
About Sven, it would be the wrong time to change manager and the f.a. would never do it due to the 4. something million they would have to pay him off. After the world cup Steve McClaren should get the job, or Jose Mourinho if he's up for it.

Originally posted by Robbie_Lovin
look at svens record in competitive games, i believe he has only lost 2 competitive games with england

But to be fair when you lose a competitive game in a major tournament you tend to be on the plane home before you can lose any more...

Anyway, everyone seems to miss the point when it comes to England. Fact is, we haven't got enough quality players with good technique who can control games.

For all the supposed talent of Gerrard, Lampard, Beckham and whoever else it is composed of, we are unable to keep hold of possession against good teams (and even a lot of very, very bad ones). In international football this will kill you, as it did in France 98, Euro 2000, Korea 2002, Euro 2004, and no doubt will again in Germany.

In Portugal everyone got so upset over the non-goal that we allowed ourselves to forget that Portugal murdered us in possession. Scapegoat for 2002? Oh, it was the heat - not the fact that we couldn't even begin to compete against 10 men. Euro 2000? Forget the midfield, let's blame Phil Neville. France '98? Ah, it was cos we had 10 men due to Beckham's stupidity.

If you believed the press, who seem to refuse to analyse the real reasons why England continually fail, we're going to win the World Cup in Germany. But I'm afraid that there's no evidence to suggest the pattern is going to be broken. At least results like Denmark bring a dose of reality to it all.

Originally posted by Vini
robinson > james - end of, james' should be hung drawn and quatered and never be given the privilige of wearing an england shirt again.

same with owen.

but ive been saying this since pre euro 2004!

Like the avatar vini. isnt that Sensible Soccer?

Originally posted by Greenback
In Portugal everyone got so upset over the non-goal that we allowed ourselves to forget that Portugal murdered us in possession. possesion means nothing.... who cares who has more possesion, its goals that count.... and a perfectly good goal was disallowed

Originally posted by Greenback
Scapegoat for 2002? Oh, it was the heat - not the fact that we couldn't even begin to compete against 10 men.

good point

Originally posted by Greenback
Euro 2000? Forget the midfield, let's blame Phil Neville.

what you are forgetting though is.... we would have been through to the next round had it not been for nevilles rash challenge

Originally posted by Greenback
France '98? Ah, it was cos we had 10 men due to Beckham's stupidity.

we wouldnt have won this tournament anyways..... but yes we would have had a greater chance had it not been for beckhams "stupidity"

Originally posted by Robbie_Lovin
possesion means nothing.... who cares who has more possesion, its goals that count.... and a perfectly good goal was disallowed

Possession means nothing in the Premiership, but it means everything in international football. You can't afford to constantly give the ball away, but we did, and so were murdered by Portugal.

When you haven't got the ball for long periods against top-class opposition, you're at a massive disadvantage because you have to work twice as hard as they do to try and win it back. England's defence and midfield got very tired from constantly having to try to regain the ball, hence we conceded a soft goal as full-time approached.

Originally posted by Robbie_Lovin
what you are forgetting though is.... we would have been through to the next round had it not been for nevilles rash challenge

Sure, but we would also have been through to the next round had we not been completely dominated by a very average Romania team. They deserved the win, 100%.

Originally posted by Robbie_Lovin
we wouldnt have won this tournament anyways..... but yes we would have had a greater chance had it not been for beckhams "stupidity"

We'd probably just about have stood a better chance of beating Argentina, but when we went to 10 men we became very defensive and stifled the life out of their attack. Fair enough, of course, and we did it well – but the way it was going anyway, 11 against 11 for the rest of the game wouldn't have favoured us too much.

I wonder if Sven will get the sack after the world cup finals next year if we dont win it?

Originally posted by ANGELUS
I wonder if Sven will get the sack after the world cup finals next year if we dont win it?

He'll definitely leave, whatever the outcome. Then we can get someone else in, hype the team up again as being the Best in the World, blame the new manager when it inevitabley all goes wrong and do nothing about the lack of technical skills in our up-and-coming young footballers.

Originally posted by Greenback
He'll definitely leave, whatever the outcome. Then we can get someone else in, hype the team up again as being the Best in the World, blame the new manager when it inevitabley all goes wrong and do nothing about the lack of technical skills in our up-and-coming young footballers.

Very true!
Who do you reckon will put us out of the competition this time then? -

And at least this time they wont be able to use the heat as an excuse eh :)

I reckon, Brazil or Argentina this time round to send us home.

Originally posted by ANGELUS
Very true!
Who do you reckon will put us out of the competition this time then? -


Ooh, I don't know, probably someone pretty average like Spain. Unless somebody in England is hiding away a world-class holding midfielder in a cupboard somewhere....

England have no chance of winning the world cup.

Brazil are better.

Sven has lost every competitive match where we have faced opposition of similar status (Brazil, France and.....Portugal :rant: )

The team doesn't have the aggressive 'for the lads' attitude.

Sven is hopeless with subs, poor considering he is regarded as a great tactician.

Sven is hopeless at motivating players.

Sven is too afraid to drop key players, even when there are better options on the bench.

He should never have got the job. And the swine is on £4 million a year, meaning it would cost more thyan £10 million to sack him.

The F.A. rewards failure with £10m...........:loopy:

Just to bring this back up- I started this topic when we got beat by Denmark- any further comments now people?

After that shambolic performance and defeat against Northern Ireland, following a lacklustre performance and a deflected winner against Wales, and that disastrous 4-1 hammering in Denmark, it is time Ericsson did the decent thing and resigned. This was NI's first victory against England for 33 years, their first win against England in Belfast for 78 years - says it all really. We've no chance of winning the World Cup with this know-nothing fool in charge. He's utterly clueless and is pinching money from the supporters. Four million bleeding pounds a year for producing this horse****e that passes for football. Overrated and overpaid underachievers - manager and footballers alike.

See my topic mate!!

I started the whole Sven out thing after the Denmark game, and now I think its time- for the good of the nation, he gets the hell out :(

It's really annoying, because despite what certain users think, England have at least 8 world class players, and a few very good ones.

Sven seems to get basic tactics wrong consistently. He won't leave before the world cup, so I just hope he proves us all wrong.

Originally posted by 40summat
what i can't understand is why the English team went off at the end smiling.:confused:

because win lose or draw they still get paid possibly:(

Originally posted by Agent Gypo
England have at least 8 world class players, and a few very good ones.

Thats where people are going wrong with their thinking- no offence :)

We DO NOT have 8 world class players... we have
Rooney, Owen, Ferdinand, Gerrard, Ashley Cole who could truly be called world class- the rest are very good class.

To me that makes 5 world class players- I'd say 4- because I really dont think Ash Cole is world class.. but I will put him in the bracket because I think he is up there in the best LB stakes.

Paul Robinson, is very very good.. and I think he will become world class not before long as well :)

I agree with Angelus (!!)
Sven is utterly clueless and lacking in ideas. Although I am not sure I would put Owen in my "world class" list. I am biased, but I despair at watching him fall to the ground so often.
Ok, he is not helped by the fact he was stuck up on his own (which in no way helps him), but he is so feeble it irritates me.
And although is his off form, Lampard has a claim to that list.

Originally posted by ANGELUS
Thats where people are going wrong with their thinking- no offence :)

We DO NOT have 8 world class players... we have
Rooney, Owen, Ferdinand, Gerrard, Ashley Cole who could truly be called world class- the rest are very good class.

To me that makes 5 world class players- I'd say 4- because I really dont think Ash Cole is world class.. but I will put him in the bracket because I think he is up there in the best LB stakes.

Paul Robinson, is very very good.. and I think he will become world class not before long as well :)
I wouldn't say Owen's world class any more. He's lost it and deteriorated something rotten. He might as well have been sat next to me for what he did against Northern Ireland. Nothing can disguise the fact that this was England's most embarrassing defeat for many a year, and as for England winning the World Cup or getting anywhere near winning it - forget it.

im not being funy, but how can anyone see this result as important? yeah it is VERY disappointing, but lets not forget the fact, if we win both games at home now, we are through, and i can honestly say i believe we will win both with out a doubt.

yes it was a poor performance, but what are you meant to do against a team with 9 defenders? we should still have beat them yes..... but this result is definately not the be all and end all like some are suggesting.......

as for world class players.... robinson is amazing
terry, ferdinand, gerrard, lampard, rooney, cole,

thats 7 players who would walk in to any side in the world

Originally posted by Robbie_Lovin
im not being funy, but how can anyone see this result as important? yeah it is VERY disappointing, but lets not forget the fact, if we win both games at home now, we are through, and i can honestly say i believe we will win both with out a doubt.

yes it was a poor performance, but what are you meant to do against a team with 9 defenders? we should still have beat them yes..... but this result is definately not the be all and end all like some are suggesting.......

as for world class players.... robinson is amazing
terry, ferdinand, gerrard, lampard, rooney, cole,

thats 7 players who would walk in to any side in the world
Its not the players that's the problem..its the manager. I have no doubt that we have a squad of players that can genuinely challenge for the world cup but I don't believe we have a manager who can properly manage these players..as it has been highlighted on many occasions but unfortunately we have a gutless FA who will only make a decision when its too late.
You have to ask yourself why most of the senior players like Eriksson..my theory being that they have far too much power and Sven won't make the tough decisions for fear of upsetting his little David or Frank.
Lets hope common sense prevails and we have an English manager who can properly deal with the overpaid, over sensitive, jumped up players that seem to be littering the England team at the moment

I understand more than a lot of women about the ins and outs of the beautiful game, but I think on this thread a typically female answer with suffice.

Question: How long has Sven been manager?

Lady Answer: Erm.... Ages....?

Q: When did we last win a big international game?

LD: Er..... :huh:

Lady Conclusion: GET HIM OUT!!!!!

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

I know they are all fantastoc players but trying to accomodate gerranrd,beckham AND lampard into 1 midfield has left us stort of attacking options- we need to play 4-3-3 possibly?

Originally posted by scottf
I know they are all fantastoc players but trying to accomodate gerranrd,beckham AND lampard into 1 midfield has left us stort of attacking options- we need to play 4-3-3 possibly?

At least Beckham has shown in the past that he can reproduce club form for England. On the strength of Gerrard and Lampard's international careers thus far, I think "fantastic" is far from the adjective I'd use. Methinks the team's only big enough for the one of them.

I can't believe people are defending Sven:

1: his substitutions are diabolical in every game. Hargreaves on for Lampard (Hargreaves on :confused: )

2: playing a counterattacking formation against a team ranked god know how low in the end? It may be good against Brazil but not N.Ireland.

3. Beckham. Why the hell is is playing a team around him? He should be playiong a team around Rooney or what is best for the team

4: there is no discipline on the pitch. no one takes charge. Gerrad or Terry should be captain.

It is the only qualifying game he has lost. However, what have the standard of qualifying games been? very poor opposition in most games.

we will qualify but stick with Sven and we'll just get knocked out in the q-finals as he hasn't got what it takes to make changes that will alter a game positively

Weve got to be realists,and realistically, no matter who manages England, it is very unlikely that we would win a World Cup. It is possible, but we would need a lot of luck along the way.

whatever happened to a simple 4 4 2 winning formation? i feel rooneys frustration!!

Originally posted by spyro2000
Weve got to be realists,and realistically, no matter who manages England, it is very unlikely that we would win a World Cup. It is possible, but we would need a lot of luck along the way.

I do think that Afetr Brazil we probably have the 2nd best lot of players in the world. However, our strength in depth isn't great .

Originally posted by robbie
I do think that Afetr Brazil we probably have the 2nd best lot of players in the world. However, our strength in depth isn't great .

I got to say i disagree, I think there are a hell of a lot of countries with better players than us. I watch a lot of International football and see some amazing players. Us being in England obviously get to see more of our own players week in week out that we do of other players, so maybe we unrightly rate them so highly.

If anything nowadays I would say we are on a par with a country like Mexico in terms of talent. Sounds harsh but imo its true.

Brazil, Argentina, Netherlands, Portugal, Czech Republic, France, Italy, Spain and Colombia all have a better set of players and a much better team.

Originally posted by spyro2000
If anything nowadays I would say we are on a par with a country like Mexico in terms of talent. Sounds harsh but imo its true.

you must be having a laugh

Originally posted by spyro2000
Brazil, Argentina, Netherlands, Portugal, Czech Republic, France, Italy, Spain and Colombia all have a better set of players and a much better team.

i can see where you are coming from with brazil and argentina,

netherlands have some great talent, and excellent prospects

portugal and czeck dont compare really, france are a spent force, italy aint that good (as scotland showed) columbia are very poor to be honest......

out of all the teams mentioned id say we are on par with spain, some great players, but both teams are massive under achievers

Originally posted by Robbie_Lovin
italy aint that good (as scotland showed)

If you see it that way, then didnt N. Ireland show even more that England arent that good?

Originally posted by spyro2000
If you see it that way, then didnt N. Ireland show even more that England arent that good?

not at all, because england was the better team.......

scotland was the better team against italy and was unlucky not to have won

Originally posted by Robbie_Lovin
not at all, because england was the better team.......

scotland was the better team against italy and was unlucky not to have won

N. Ireland won, the BETTER team won. If England were the better team then they would have won.

The better team is the team that outscores the other one.

Originally posted by spyro2000
N. Ireland won, the BETTER team won. If England were the better team then they would have won.

The better team is the team that outscores the other one.

no, the better team lost, the team who scored the most goals (goal) won........ the team who played better was england

the team who scored a goal was northern ireland

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU?

Originally posted by Robbie_Lovin
no, the better team lost, the team who scored the most goals (goal) won........ the team who played better was england

the team who scored a goal was northern ireland

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU?

No it doesnt, because the whole point of a match is to score more than your opponent. And N. Ireland done that, so obvioulsy they were the better team.

If England were the better team they would have won. N.Irelands tactics won them the game.

Originally posted by spyro2000
No it doesnt, because the whole point of a match is to score more than your opponent. And N. Ireland done that, so obvioulsy they were the better team.

If England were the better team they would have won. N.Irelands tactics won them the game.

i am not here to dispute who scored more goals....

we was the better footbaling team, not the team who scored the most goals......

yes NI won, but they was lucky in doing so..... but they did and the result is what matters.

but for footballing terms ONLY england was better

Originally posted by Robbie_Lovin
no, the better team lost, the team who scored the most goals (goal) won........ the team who played better was england

the team who scored a goal was northern ireland

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU?

NO. I was watching N Ireland v England - what game were you watching?

N Ireland were by far the better TEAM on the night - they actually played together with a degree of cohesion and team spirit. They showed passion and commitment and obviously really WANTED to win the game. It mattered to them - that's why they won. Deservedly so.

Granted, on paper, England had by far the better team. They have absolutely no excuse for not winning - they just didn't want it enough. Their individual egos were more important than the team. I won't pretend I know anything much about football tactics, but at times it was clear to me watching, just from their body language and looks on their faces, that England players didn't know what the heck they were meant to be doing. I don't remember seeing such confusion on a football pitch.

Until the England 'team' drop the individual prima donna behaviour, and start playing together as an actual team, they're not going to win anything. They were lucky against Wales - but their luck ran out last night.

Don't get me wrong - I really do want England to win the World Cup. They have the world-class players to be serious contenders if they want it enough. So much is down to their attitude.

StarSparkle

Originally posted by Robbie_Lovin
but for footballing terms ONLY england was better

You're having a laugh aren't you? Do you seriously believe that? NI outclassed our underperforming, out of position stars and should have won 2-0.

Originally posted by Robbie_Lovin
i am not here to dispute who scored more goals....

we was the better footbaling team, not the team who scored the most goals......

yes NI won, but they was lucky in doing so..... but they did and the result is what matters.

but for footballing terms ONLY england was better

And you had the audacity to tell me I dont know about football-- give up now fella.. your making yourself look a right arse! :)

Originally posted by spyro2000
I got to say i disagree, I think there are a hell of a lot of countries with better players than us. I watch a lot of International football and see some amazing players. Us being in England obviously get to see more of our own players week in week out that we do of other players, so maybe we unrightly rate them so highly.

If anything nowadays I would say we are on a par with a country like Mexico in terms of talent. Sounds harsh but imo its true.

Brazil, Argentina, Netherlands, Portugal, Czech Republic, France, Italy, Spain and Colombia all have a better set of players and a much better team.

but overall they do not have better players.

They may have a few more talented players. But not in every position. Remember in Rooney, Gerrard, Campbell, Terry, Lampard,

allegedly the best left back in the world. Owen, G. Neville, Beckham, Dyer,

I genuinely think that our fully fit first 11 is as good as anyones apart from Brazil. Maybe equal to Argentina.

Originally posted by ANGELUS
And you had the audacity to tell me I dont know about football-- give up now fella.. your making yourself look a right arse! :)

your a man utd fan, no you dont

ive held back from saying anything on this thread but im unable to not say anything now

imo that was the worst england display ive seen for years i wouldnt have minded losing to a decent side but ni are not a good side and they made us look pretty ****

i want england to do will but i cant see how they can under sven erricson so maybe he should just go now before the situation gets a lot worse

Originally posted by robbie
but overall they do not have better players.

They may have a few more talented players. But not in every position. Remember in Rooney, Gerrard, Campbell, Terry, Lampard,

allegedly the best left back in the world. Owen, G. Neville, Beckham, Dyer,

I genuinely think that our fully fit first 11 is as good as anyones apart from Brazil. Maybe equal to Argentina.

yes, we have amazing INDIVIDUALS, pity we dont have a good TEAM.