Can somebody explain to me please how taking away the Captains armband from John Terry and giving it to Rio Ferdinand is "for the good" of English football?
Terry had an affair with Wayne Bridge's EX girlfriend, and from what I've heard has been his ex for 6 months. Did the split between Wayne and his ex have a clause written in that she wasn't allowed to go with someone else for a certain period of time?
Rio Ferdinand, on the other hand is on a 3 match ban, (pending appeal), for violent conduct on the field of play. Judging by the way he was seen committing the same offence against Tevez in the Carling Cup replay, even though the contact was lighter the intent was there, shows that he hasn't learned from it.
So am I right in saying that cheating on your wife, which I DO NOT CONDONE, is far more damaging to the image of football than being red carded on the field of play for violent conduct towards another player?

It's World Cup year, the British media is duty bound to stir as much crap up as is humanly possible, so as to make the job for England in South Africa even harder than it is. I don't care who John Terry is having affairs with, he is not the first England captain to get himself a bit on the side and won't be the last. Just as a matter of interest it would'nt be a jealous Scotsman who has started digging the dirt....would it ? .....only joking scottishdude :wink:

I think the players should be given guidelines on what is acceptable and what is not

What I don't understand is how you can be giving the captain's armband to anybody when we don't even have a game to play for another month. The position of England captain doesn't exist unless and until we play a game...

The captaincy role is somewhat ceremonious nowadays but it's still the correct decision in my view - the only reason footballers are paid so well is because it's our national sport and us common folk are prepared to fork out our hard earned money to watch them and buy their branded goods. As such, they should be role models to the people who watch them!

The conclusion doesn't follow. Just because we like watching people play football is no reason at all why they should lead blameless personal lives.

.... As such, they should be role models to the people who watch them!......

why should they?

as long as they are entertaining to watch, who cares what they do off the pitch

That's from your own point of view, but the fact of the matter is that footballers are high profile and many people look up to them, particularly kids. So the logic is, if it's ok for the 'Captain of England' to do something wrong then they may very well think that it must be ok for them as well? And no, I'm not talking about kids getting into affairs(!) - just the principle.

No one has said anything about my comments on Rio, (not a complaint, just an observation)
Who In your/the forum's opinion should get the Captains job for England? Is there anybody that squeaky clean? Terry will be in the starting 11 whether he is captain or not so Wayne will have to get over it.
Just as an after thought: Ashley Cole got done for driving at 104 mph in a 50 mph area, yet he didn't get half the fuss and publicity that John is getting. I'm sure a lot of parents would like to see him, (Ashley) locked up and banned from playing for England.

That's from your own point of view


It isn't a point of view. It's a logical observation; the conclusion does not follow from the premiss. "This guy is good at football, therefore he should have high moral values" is an illogical argument.

Who In your/the forum's opinion should get the Captains job for England?


Whichever of the 11 on the field, has the most caps. It's not as if captain is of any particular significance; I don't understand why so many in England treat it as if it was.

The conclusion doesn't follow. Just because we like watching people play football is no reason at all why they should lead blameless personal lives.

John Terry has enjoyed the other trappings of being good at playing football such as adulation, money, being voted Dad of the Year etc.
Is it healthy for young boys who idolise the captain of the English football team when that captain has zero moral fibre?

While the stories of Terry's many affairs have been in the papers this week we have heard nothing from him about the humiliation and distress he has caused his wife and family. Take his captaincy off him though and he's bleating relentlessly about how hurt he is. Says it all really. Such an arse.:rolleyes:

Correct decision re Terry losing captaincy but to award to old Snorty in his place seems crazy.

Indeed, on current form, I wouldn't let Ferdinand board the plane for Saaath Aaafrika.

While the stories of Terry's many affairs have been in the papers this week we have heard nothing from him about the humiliation and distress he has caused his wife and family. Take his captaincy off him though and he's bleating relentlessly about how hurt he is. Says it all really. Such an arse.:rolleyes:

The only quote that Terry has come out with is:

"I fully respect Fabio Capello's decision," the Chelsea centre-half said in a statement. "I will continue to give everything for England."

Is this bleating?

Can somebody explain to me please how taking away the Captains armband from John Terry and giving it to Rio Ferdinand is "for the good" of English football?
Terry had an affair with Wayne Bridge's EX girlfriend, and from what I've heard has been his ex for 6 months. Did the split between Wayne and his ex have a clause written in that she wasn't allowed to go with someone else for a certain period of time?
Rio Ferdinand, on the other hand is on a 3 match ban, (pending appeal), for violent conduct on the field of play. Judging by the way he was seen committing the same offence against Tevez in the Carling Cup replay, even though the contact was lighter the intent was there, shows that he hasn't learned from it.
So am I right in saying that cheating on your wife, which I DO NOT CONDONE, is far more damaging to the image of football than being red carded on the field of play for violent conduct towards another player?
Sorry are you seriously suggesting that anyone who's been red carded can't be England captain? Have any of the major England players never been sent off? Does Terry himself have a spotless record when it comes to violence on or off the pitch?

If you a really concerned about violence a man who recently with a gang of mates beat up someone for not playing Phil Collins being promoted to vice captain seemed rather more incongruous.

The whole saga is nothing more than the press once again trying to boost their self esteem by interfering with the England team, that said it is of course nice to see someone who had the gall to accept the 'Dad of the year' award when acting in such a manner taken down a little.

Is it healthy for young boys who idolise the captain of the English football team when that captain has zero moral fibre?



Moral fibre is a complete irrelevance to footballing ability; if children are idolising someone because he's good at kicking a ball around a field, that is not the fault of the footballer, and it's not his responsibility to change it.

as has allready been said, not that bothered about terry losing the captaincy he wont be the last england player to do this (looks at ashley coles alleged past, and actual past). i am more bothered to see it go to ferdinand a player who i dont believe is good enough to be in the team let alone be captain, plus has a very dubious past of his own, missing drugs tests etc.

the problem is that you look allover the pitch and someone has had some sort of blot on their record. gerrards got assault and there are proabably many others.

it should have been left as in my opinion.

duckface is also a coke snorter, its a choice between someone that twonks their mates bird or a smackhead

Ferdinand, a scrote from the east end, captain? :hihi: Some-one's having a laugh :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

If your boss found out you were having an affair with your best friend's ex would he have the right to demote you?

The only quote that Terry has come out with is:


Is this bleating?

Terry's other quote.

'Terry told The Sun newspaper - which signed him up last year as a columnist - that he was "gutted" at being sacked.

"It hurts so much, but I will fight back. If there's a 1% chance of being World Cup captain, I will fight for it tooth and nail," he said.

So yes, it's bleating. His real concern should be for the pain he's caused his family not his overpaid 'job'.

If your boss found out you were having an affair with your best friend's ex would he have the right to demote you?

If you bring your company into disrepute I think he would. There are many organisations, such as the fire service, where you have to consider that your behaviour may reflect badly on those for whom you work and there are repurcussions if you do behave badly.

If John Terry was an invisible member of society working in, say, Primark then no it wouldn't matter to anyone other than those immediately involved.

It's a complete non story.

If you want to read about real scandal, take a peak at the problems surrounding Chester, Notts County and Portsmouth.

If you bring your company into disrepute I think he would.


Since it's an entirely private issue, that's an impossibility.

I don't think Cappello stripped him of the armband just because he's had the affair.

I think it's more to do with the captain having the respect of the dressing room. Or not having it, in Terrys case.

Since it's an entirely private issue, that's an impossibility.

Depends on your position in the company.

Terry's behaviour means that many people, including his team mates, have lost respect for him. When, as captain (of football or similar position) you lose the respect of those who look to you for leadership then you've lost any power or authority of your position.

He has shown a total lack of respect for his wife, his children, his family, his team mates and the fans who pay to watch him play football. Why WOULD anyone want a man like him as captain of the country's football team? Exactly what are John Terry's qualities? Why was he ever made captain in the first place, was it just for his footballing skills?

Too right. He said when he was made Captain he said it was a great honour and that he would take on the responsibility on and off the pitch - ah well failed at that then didnt he.

Don't think it would have been half as bad if he hadnt tried to stop it going to press.

Can't stand him and I think he has just been put in his rightful place - well done Capello for having the guts to make that decission and the right decision in my opinion.

The thing is these footballers think they are above everyone else - well welcome back down to planet Earth JT

as has allready been said, not that bothered about terry losing the captaincy he wont be the last england player to do this (looks at ashley coles alleged past, and actual past). i am more bothered to see it go to ferdinand a player who i dont believe is good enough to be in the team let alone be captain, plus has a very dubious past of his own, missing drugs tests etc.
Not "good enough to be in the team"! If the principle defender in the side which has dominated the Premiership for the last decade isn't good enough for England then who is?

duckface is also a coke snorter, its a choice between someone that twonks their mates bird or a smackhead
You of course have evidence to support this allegation?

Ferdinand, a scrote from the east end, captain? :hihi: Some-one's having a laugh :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:
No more of a laugh than when they appointed "a scrote" from Barking captain.

John Terry has done nothing wrong. All FIFA coaching manuals clearly state that if a left back leaves a hole it's the centre back's job to fill it.

Depends on your position in the company.


Actually no, it doesn't. Your relationship with your wife can only ever be a private issue, by definition.

Since no team-mates are even tangentially involved in all this, that's a completely irrelevant angle. The woman he's supposedly had this affair with was not involved with any other footballer at the time.

Actually no, it doesn't. Your relationship with your wife can only ever be a private issue, by definition.

Since no team-mates are even tangentially involved in all this, that's a completely irrelevant angle. The woman he's supposedly had this affair with was not involved with any other footballer at the time.I understand your point but in real life there's always some residual ill feeling when a man dates another man's ex. I've seen posts even on SF from people who resent someone they know dating their ex.

I agree with bagger, leaving him as captain would probably result in his losing his support amongst the team as a result of his actions and impinge on the play. Not all footballers play fast and loose with their families, friends and colleagues, I'm sure they can find someone else just as competent to fill the captain's position.

Just as an aside, I was surprised to see he's only 30, he looks a lot older. Must be his dissolute lifestyle taking its toll. :)

Actually no, it doesn't. Your relationship with your wife can only ever be a private issue, by definition.

Since no team-mates are even tangentially involved in all this, that's a completely irrelevant angle. The woman he's supposedly had this affair with was not involved with any other footballer at the time.

This isn't just about Terry's affair with Wayne Bridge's ex. That woman was also John Terry's wife's friend. And she was one of many. John Terry is not a man that any right minded person would look up to.

And while one's relationship with one's wife may only ever be a private issue if your morals indicate that you are of dubious character then it's quite right that your positon is called into question.

Let's look at this from a different angle. Someone explain to me what they think makes a good captain. And then tell me why John Terry should be that captain?

I understand your point but in real life there's always some residual ill feeling when a man dates another man's ex. I've seen posts even on SF from people who resent someone they know dating their ex.


A good reason (if it's true in this particular case) for smacking Wayne Bridge upsides the face with a rubber mallet and calling him an idiot; but still a complete irrelevance to the captaincy issue.

Let's look at this from a different angle. Someone explain to me what they think makes a good captain. And then tell me why John Terry should be that captain?

If you watched Chelsea beat Arsenal today you would have seen an excellence performance by the Chelsea captain, who showed all the qualities needed on the pitch to be a good captain.

Let's look at this from a different angle. Someone explain to me what they think makes a good captain.



The ability to call heads or tails. That's all a football captain is ever required to do.

A good reason (if it's true in this particular case) for smacking Wayne Bridge upsides the face with a rubber mallet and calling him an idiot; but still a complete irrelevance to the captaincy issue.oh who cares anyway ... he's just a bloke who happens to play football and play away bigtime and has enough money that should go to his kids to pay off the silly women who get involved with him ... nobody else except his wife and family cares really. Oh, and Capello, he obviously cares but then he's publically a very upright and moral man.

Terry's behaviour means that many people, including his team mates, have lost respect for him.

The day working class lads lose respect for a mate who nails a fit bird is the day I start watching Rugby.

He has shown a total lack of respect for his wife, his children, his family, his team mates and the fans who pay to watch him play football.

His family yes. Please explain why he has shown a lack of respect for his team mates and fans? I am a fan, and I couldn't give a toss.

Why WOULD anyone want a man like him as captain of the country's football team?

Because he's one of the best centre backs in the world.


Exactly what are John Terry's qualities? Why was he ever made captain in the first place, was it just for his footballing skills?

I suspect he was made captain for his ability to play Tennis.

Please can we meet up sometime? I have always wondered what it was like to live in the 1930s.

If you bring your company into disrepute I think he would. There are many organisations, such as the fire service, where you have to consider that your behaviour may reflect badly on those for whom you work and there are repurcussions if you do behave badly.

If John Terry was an invisible member of society working in, say, Primark then no it wouldn't matter to anyone other than those immediately involved.

If I shagged my workmate's wife, there is nothing, legally, my boss could do about it. In fact any attempt to reprimand or sack me would invoke the fastest legal proceeding since records began.

Actually no, it doesn't. Your relationship with your wife can only ever be a private issue, by definition.

Since no team-mates are even tangentially involved in all this, that's a completely irrelevant angle. The woman he's supposedly had this affair with was not involved with any other footballer at the time.
In some jobs where the public image you project is of importance and the England captaincy would seem to be one of those private conduct is of importance. Terry himself tried to cash in on profile the captaincy gave him to get endorsement deals. Unfortunately as has been pointed 'senior' members of the England team hardly seem to have spotless records.

The best thing all round would be to play down the importance of the captaincy and simply give it to either the oldest or most capped player on the pitch. This wouldn't hurt the footballing aspect of things at all as players with the character to organise and lead on the pitch do so anyway regardless of whether or not they've got an armband saying 'captain' on it. It would also have the major benefit of forestalling tabloid witch-hunts.

In my opinion i think that its a totally wrong action to take his captaincy away just because of his private life. Just because he is a footballer and famous he gets punished for it, if i did this i wouldnt get demoted for it so why should he, it hasnt affected his performance?

In my opinion i think that its a totally wrong action to take his captaincy away just because of his private life. Just because he is a footballer and famous he gets punished for it, if i did this i wouldnt get demoted for it so why should he, it hasnt affected his performance?
That rather depends on whether or not you view an England captains performances as being entirely restricted to the pitch now doesn't it?

No footballer should ever be viewed as a role model apart from when promoting thier sport. It is not upto footballers to promote moral values and if they want to live a playboy lifestyle, why not. John Terry's only crime is he really shouldn't have got married and had kids if he wants to put it about.

However, I think it is right to strip him of captaincy as we need one who is 100% focused on trying to win the world cup. Trying to save a marriage can be hard work, time consuming and draining, like wise a divorce. Have seen family and friends alike go through it. Only have to look at Tiger Woods who has realised he can't be both a dedicated professional sportsman and sort his private life out at the same time.

That rather depends on whether or not you view an England captains performances as being entirely restricted to the pitch now doesn't it?

An England captain's performance is entirely restricted to the coin toss. During the actual game, natural leaders will lead anyway whether they have a black armband or not.

In my opinion i think that its a totally wrong action to take his captaincy away just because of his private life. Just because he is a footballer and famous he gets punished for it, if i did this i wouldnt get demoted for it so why should he, it hasnt affected his performance?

Its not any job he has. He is the Captain of the England football team - therefore HE represents our country and as stated in an earlier post he was honoured to get the job and would take his responsibilty on and off the pitch very seriously - he failed big time - He got exactly what he deserves - should he be off the team completely - definately not.

An England captain's performance is entirely restricted to the coin toss. During the actual game, natural leaders will lead anyway whether they have a black armband or not.

In which case, it could be argued that it doesn't matter that he's lost the captaincy, if that's all the captain has to do.

The story of "todays news, tomorrows chip shop paper", doesnt work in this case. Still you do have to take personal responsibility being a family man.

Its a shame that when you are training like bulls your hormone levels go skyward. The coaches and managers should be keeping a better eye on the team when they wind them up and let them go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DK_YmoBF3uA&feature=player_embedded#

think you'll all find this funny, john terry doesnt look happy lol!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DK_YmoBF3uA&feature=player_embedded#

think you'll all find this funny, john terry doesnt look happy lol!!

Thats is sooo funny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DK_YmoBF3uA&feature=player_embedded#

think you'll all find this funny, john terry doesnt look happy lol!!

Brilliant! :hihi: