i have a marriage cert for for my grt grandparents william jackson and elizabeth abrahams born1870 williams father is charles jackson and elizabeths has no father listed,i have her in 1871 census age 9mnths living with her mother married to george bright and she is called elizabeth bright,do i put her in my tree as father unkown?

i have a marriage cert for for my grt grandparents william jackson and elizabeth abrahams born1870 williams father is charles jackson and elizabeths has no father listed,i have her in 1871 census age 9mnths living with her mother married to george bright and she is called elizabeth bright,do i put her in my tree as father unkown?

Could this be her birth:
Births Sep 1870
Bright Elizabeth Ecclesall B. 9c 235

If you purchase this certificate it could state her father's name.

Duffems

This looks like her mother's marriage registration:
Marriages Mar 1871

Abrahams Amelia Ecclesall B. 9c 266
Bright George Ecclesall B 9c 266
Cotterell Clara Ecclesall B 9c 266
Parkin William Ecclesall B 9c 266

This could be the birth registration for Amelia:
Births Dec 1852
Abrahams Amelia Sheffield 9c 220

Elizabeth Bright born Eccelsall Bierlow, July, August, September quarter of 1870 Volume 9c page 235.

Amelia Abrahams married George Bright Ecclesall Bierlow Jan, Feb March quarter 1871 Volume 9c Page 266.

So..... Elizabeth was born before Amelia and George married, only her birth certificate will tell you who Amelia put down as Elizabeths her father or it will say unknown so you will have to buy it. Given Amelias age I would assume that her marriage to George is her first as her birth was around 1854 so this would only make her 17 when she married him.

On the 1871, 1881 and 1891 Amelia and George remain together with their children. Amelia's death was registered Ecclesall Bierlow Oct, Nov, Dec quarter of 1891 Volume 9c page 252 aged 38 years. George is on the 1901 census but is described as a widowed.

The question is why did Elizabeth revert to using her mothers maiden name when she married ?

Elizabeth Bright born Eccelsall Bierlow, July, August, September quarter of 1870 Volume 9c page 235.

Amelia Abrahams married George Bright Ecclesall Bierlow Jan, Feb March quarter 1871 Volume 9c Page 266.

So..... Elizabeth was born before Amelia and George married, only her birth certificate will tell you who Amelia put down as Elizabeths her father or it will say unknown so you will have to buy it. Given Amelias age I would assume that her marriage to George is her first as her birth was around 1854 so this would only make her 17 when she married him.

On the 1871, 1881 and 1891 Amelia and George remain together with their children. Amelia's death was registered Ecclesall Bierlow Oct, Nov, Dec quarter of 1891 Volume 9c page 252 aged 38 years. George is on the 1901 census but is described as a widowed.

The question is why did Elizabeth revert to using her mothers maiden name when she married ?thanks for all the help.i found it very strange she was registered abraham took the name bright at 9 mths old then had no name on marriage cert,would she have had to produce her birth cert when she married?

there is no birth for elizabeth abrahams only elizabeth bright??

there is no birth for elizabeth abrahams only elizabeth bright??

Could only find Eliabeth Bright birth regsitration.

Like Duffems, I could only find her as Elizabeth Bright, I could not find an Elizabeth Abrahams registered in that period. I don't know if she would have had to produce her BC when she got married. All I do know is that information relating to civil registration (births, marriages and deaths) was not as reliable in those days, simply because it was not taken as seriously as it it these days. I would just purchase a copy of her birth certificate and see what it tells you.

Maybe, she found something out, perhaps she discovered he wasn't her father, unfortunately that is probably something you may never know, but if you put what it says on her BC in to your family tree, you have done your best. There are a number of instances in my tree where I have had no choice but to use the information I have from certificates but I am still left wondering if they are correct as something does not quite fit.

Do any of us really know,apart from DNA testing none of us know who the heck we are!
Once you have the BC you could enter the information into your tree with an attachment mentioning the detail on her MC.

Duffems

cant believe how many children were born out of wedlock,i will let you all know whats on the certificate;)

cant belaieve how many children were born out of wedlock,i will let you all know whats on the certificate;)

You're lucky to get that far back, I can't get past my father in my paternal line, he's got an "Informant" on his birth certificate who no-one has ever heard of!

Duffems

You're lucky to get that far back, I can't get past my father in my paternal line, he's got an "Informant" on his birth certificate who no-one has ever heard of!

Duffemsordered the cert,whats an informant lol:o

well the birth cert came today and shows george bright as the father and amelia bright nee "abrams" as the mother,wonder why she reverted to hermothers maiden name on marriage.:mad:

Hi,

Like I mentioned in an earlier post you will probably never know. Amelia was not even a Bright at the time of Elizabeths birth as they married afterwards but the certificate names her Bright. There is obviously some sort of twist in your tale but you will never know !!!!!!

Hi,

Like I mentioned in an earlier post you will probably never know. Amelia was not even a Bright at the time of Elizabeths birth as they married afterwards but the certificate names her Bright. There is obviously some sort of twist in your tale but you will never know !!!!!!he probably wasnt her father an never let her forget it so she reverted to her mothers maiden name,but why did amelia revert to abraham on elizabeths marriage cert.george and amelia were still together in 1891.

Perhaps she didn't, Elizabeth could have done this on her behalf ? Maybe she didn't even attend the wedding and Abrahams is the name Elizabeth gave the person filling out the certificate and register. It sounds like you are probably right, George was not her Dad and this caused some kind of fued. Given that the name on a MC is usually that of the father you will probably have to assume that Elizabeth didn't know who her father was or she would have named him ?

When I married some 40 years ago the vicar asked my father's name and occupation, I explained that my parents were divorced and that I hadn't seen my father for many years so I neither knew nor cared whether he was still alive let alone his occupation.
The vicar entered the name which I gave to him which quite frankly could have been any name as there were no checks made.
It is a legal requirement to enter the name & occupation of the fathers of the bride and groom on a marriage registration but, the information is that given by the marrying couple, this has always been the case.

I have a 3x great grandmother who reverted to the name of her first husband even though he had been transported to Australia years earlier and she'd remarried, maybe he was her one true love, who knows, it's one of family history's little enigmas!