Is it just me, or does your car have to be half the width of a normal car to be able to park in John Lewis's car park? Almost had to climb out the sunroof having squeezed between two normal cars in my own very normal, non-great big 4x4 car (of which there were many).

People dont like 4 x 4 s.We had one,there just jealous mate.There squeezing you out.

It's not just you! The parking spaces are tiny. Often many spaces areleft empty cos if theres a big 4x4 on either side its impossible to get in!

John Lewis was built before everybody chose to buy a tank to pick the kids up from school in :confused:

Stop complaining and get the bus/tram and take advantage of their free delivery to get your shopping home, or wait until they finish building the new store :roll:

Yeah they are minuscule; woe betide you if you go there with children who need full door opening space to get out of those horrendous car seats without bashing into the precious piece of metal parked either side. The parent/child places are always full.

Am thinking of getting a bike with a trailer. NOT!

The spaces are so small so they can fit in the max of cars and make a max of profit.

Originally posted by lizzmobile
The spaces are so small so they can fit in the max of cars and make a max of profit.

errr... no!

Think of when that store was built, I would imagine near on 20 years ago if not more, there were no 4x4's or SUVs - people were not selfish enough to have a huge un-nessasary tank for 2 adults and 2 children to town or the 300 yards to school!

Most people had normal cars - which fit into the spaces fine.

I always use the roof level spaces at John Lewis - the spaces seem bigger. Not sure if this is true but there is always more room between the cars.

I certainly wouldn't risk getting my car damaged in one of the miniscule spaces on the lower levels !

Originally posted by csi_bha
errr... no!

Think of when that store was built, I would imagine near on 20 years ago if not more, there were no 4x4's or SUVs - people were not selfish enough to have a huge un-nessasary tank for 2 adults and 2 children to town or the 300 yards to school!

Most people had normal cars - which fit into the spaces fine.

why does everyone have to bring 4x4 into the equation on every discusion.
fiat panda's have 4x4, audi quatro have 4x4,rovercity cars have 4x4.
small minded jealousy!!
i hope someone will need a tow or rescuing from an incident when i drive up in my 4x4 - u can rescue yourself.or better still any car owners who disapprove of 4x4's should cancel their breakdown cover 7 refrain from using police or emergency services just in casea 4x4 need to be used.

Originally posted by willman
why does everyone have to bring 4x4 into the equation on every discusion.
fiat panda's have 4x4, audi quatro have 4x4,rovercity cars have 4x4.
small minded jealousy!!
i hope someone will need a tow or rescuing from an incident when i drive up in my 4x4 - u can rescue yourself.or better still any car owners who disapprove of 4x4's should cancel their breakdown cover 7 refrain from using police or emergency services just in casea 4x4 need to be used.

Lol, that is just about the worst argument for having a 4x4 I have ever heard! :loopy:

I do find it so amusing though, just like this weekend when I went to Graves park. To see a couple and their dog in a HUGE 4x4 that was so clean I'd be suprised if they even dared take it up a kerb. They were finding it extremely difficult to get out of a tight parking space simply coz it was too big and they couldn't see to drive it properly!

mine can get worse depend on the opposition.
we live in a free world we can drive what we want,but just like calling people "chav's" it's just a bandwagon that all small minded people like to jump on, without analysing what they are saying.

The parking spaces at Cole Brothers storey car park are fine, you will have a problem fitting a 4by4 though, whichm incidently should be going off road rather than to town :D

For the record, a Fiat Panda 4x4 isn't the size of a tank, you big 4x4 owners know damn well that your vehicles are oversized for the use you have of them and it is unappropriate to take them to a city centre carpark designed for cars !

Originally posted by Captain_Scarlet
The parking spaces at Cole Brothers storey car park are fine, you will have a problem fitting a 4by4 though, whichm incidently should be going off road rather than to town :D

For the record, a Fiat Panda 4x4 isn't the size of a tank, you big 4x4 owners know damn well that your vehicles are oversized for the use you have of them and it is unappropriate to take them to a city centre carpark designed for cars !

u must be from another planet.there is no regulation parking space size so there are no rules about me parking.
most 4x4's are smaller than a ford transit - people park them in car parks.my 4x4 takes up less parking space than a toyota avensis estate.
why does everyone have to state 4x4 when what they really mean are "yummy mummies" in x5's who they don't approve of.

Originally posted by willman
u must be from another planet.there is no regulation parking space size so there are no rules about me parking.
most 4x4's are smaller than a ford transit - people park them in car parks.my 4x4 takes up less parking space than a toyota avensis estate.
why does everyone have to state 4x4 when what they really mean are "yummy mummies" in x5's who they don't approve of. Well if you want to be picky, no one with a large estate, a pickup, a Transit or anything BIG should take up space uselessly, it isnt just coz I mentionned 4x4 that I only mean 'em ! I mean all of them oversized vehicles !

Originally posted by Captain_Scarlet
Well if you want to be picky, no one with a large estate, a pickup, a Transit or anything BIG should take up space uselessly, it isnt just coz I mentionned 4x4 that I only mean 'em ! I mean all of them oversized vehicles !

i am grateful for a honest response & agree wholeheartedly about the waste of parking space by inadequate drivers with vehicles too big for the purpose.

[i]
i hope someone will need a tow or rescuing from an incident when i drive up in my 4x4 - u can rescue yourself.or better still any car owners who disapprove of 4x4's should cancel their breakdown cover 7 refrain from using police or emergency services just in casea 4x4 need to be used. [/B]

Maybe we should just let the aa, rac, and police use them to pull people out. to be fair i'm hardly going to get stuck in a hole in john lewis's car park am i?
Unless i get stuck between 2 4x4s i have no sunroof:help:

Originally posted by Briano
I do find it so amusing though, just like this weekend when I went to Graves park. To see a couple and their dog in a HUGE 4x4 that was so clean I'd be suprised if they even dared take it up a kerb.

There always seem to be loads of them at the hand car wash near Heeley Bridge for some reason, perhaps they stop off there after off-roading in the car park in Graves Park ?

Originally posted by nick2
There always seem to be loads of them at the hand car wash near Heeley Bridge for some reason, perhaps they stop off there after off-roading in the car park in Graves Park ?

it's 'cos they won't fit in a normal car wash & they're probably too tired to wash it themselves.

4 x 4's can be found in large numbers round the botanical gardens mornings and mid afternoons. At first I thought the gardens were hosting a safari of some kind and looked for giraffes and the like hiding in the shrubbery. Then I realised they were all driven by mums collecting bratlets from the nearby schools.

I have to say (no offence meant) that women driving 4x4's always look terrified, like it's going to go out of control at any minute and plow through a shop front.

Originally posted by bigpockets
Is it just me, or does your car have to be half the width of a normal car to be able to park in John Lewis's car park? Almost had to climb out the sunroof having squeezed between two normal cars in my own very normal, non-great big 4x4 car (of which there were many).

To go back to the original post (!) - you're right about the spaces. I've got a Corsa and I have problems with the spaces in there.

Originally posted by willman
why does everyone have to bring 4x4 into the equation on every discusion.
fiat panda's have 4x4, audi quatro have 4x4,rovercity cars have 4x4.
small minded jealousy!!
i hope someone will need a tow or rescuing from an incident when i drive up in my 4x4 - u can rescue yourself.or better still any car owners who disapprove of 4x4's should cancel their breakdown cover 7 refrain from using police or emergency services just in casea 4x4 need to be used.

I only mentioned 4x4s to make a point about the size of cars versus the (miniscule) size of the parking spaces. Your rather paranoid response suggesting this might be related to jealousy says more about you than me. Fiat Pandas! Hmmm - I'm jealous!!!

I had trouble in there with my peugeot 206 and I have complained many a time on here about idiots not taking care and attention when opening their doors and dinting my car door. Although car parking space sizes ARE a problem in John Lewis, and in many other shops/centres, so is the lack of respect people have for other people's property.

I have now purchased a Honda HRV - which incidentally even though is in the "bigger car" range, is not a 4 wheel drive, but a normal 2 wheel drive car. I am not scared to drive it, and I won't park it in John Lewis, purely because I don't want a dint...but woe betide anyone I find dinting this one!

Sort of on this subject aswell...If, for example I am at Meadowhall and I choose to park way out in the distance with no other cars surrounding me and loads of other spaces...(because it is my new toy and I want to look after it...)what's the bet that another idiot chooses to come and park at the side of me!!! (Happened last weekend!!!) GET A LIFE!!!

Originally posted by willman
i hope someone will need a tow or rescuing from an incident when i drive up in my 4x4 - u can rescue yourself.or better still any car owners who disapprove of 4x4's should cancel their breakdown cover 7 refrain from using police or emergency services just in casea 4x4 need to be used.
R i g h t...... Not noticed any of the 4x4s in Coles carpark with flashing orange lights :suspect:

Liose - I quite agree! Although I try to shop midweek, and if I spot a car seat in the car I'm parking next to - I park straddling 2 bays.

Easier for the kids to get in and out, and safer for my paintwork :thumbsup:

I always think those sat waiting to get into the John Lewis car park as just lazy anyhow.. theres plenty of car parks around that have "normal" sized car parking spaces for your parking needs.

Originally posted by bigpockets
I only mentioned 4x4s to make a point about the size of cars versus the (miniscule) size of the parking spaces. Your rather paranoid response suggesting this might be related to jealousy says more about you than me. Fiat Pandas! Hmmm - I'm jealous!!!

then why not just say large cars, why be specific repeating the same old biased twaddle against 4x4's. the new d/house development has smaller parking bays than c/peaks.
i just don't shop there.

Originally posted by Strix
Liose - I quite agree! Although I try to shop midweek, and if I spot a car seat in the car I'm parking next to - I park straddling 2 bays.

Easier for the kids to get in and out, and safer for my paintwork :thumbsup:

but how annoying for others when they can't find a parking space.

Originally posted by Strix
R i g h t...... Not noticed any of the 4x4s in Coles carpark with flashing orange lights :suspect:

some of us may have!!.
p'haps not you, but one day the folks that castigate 4x4's may need to be rescued by one.bet you don't complain about the size of them then.

Originally posted by willman
but one day the folks that castigate 4x4's may need to be rescued by one.bet you don't complain about the size of them then.

But you're not likely to be rescued by Margery from Fullwood in her Range Rover are you ?

People don't have a problem with 4x4's as a service vehicle, same as they don't have a problem with fire engines or ambulances or transit vans, but they are driven by people who need them for a reason, not just to have the biggest car on the street to ferry the kids 500 yards to school.

And yes, people can drive whatever they like but don't try to make out that owning a 4x4 is in some way helping people 'cause it's not.

Originally posted by nick2
But you're not likely to be rescued by Margery from Fullwood in her Range Rover are you ?

And yes, people can drive whatever they like but don't try to make out that owning a 4x4 is in some way helping people 'cause it's not.

totally agree, just don't agree with the balnket remarks against all 4x4 users. u can't blanket condemn people on ethnic grounds so why should people insist on making irritating childish remarks generalising 4x4's.

Originally posted by willman
u can't blanket condemn people on ethnic grounds so why should people insist on making irritating childish remarks generalising 4x4's.

I don't think they are the same thing realy.

Originally posted by willman
totally agree, just don't agree with the balnket remarks against all 4x4 users. u can't blanket condemn people on ethnic grounds so why should people insist on making irritating childish remarks generalising 4x4's. Why are some people who drive 4x4's so paranoid and defensive (some also drive this way - also includes non 4x4 drivers). I believe the original point was that the spaces were too small for parking in especially when you have a 4x4 on each side or perhaps you have one of those inflatable 4x4's that you can adjust to fit into any kind of parking space. Before you ask I have a clio and an mpv but recently had the misfortune to drive Colarado 3.0 Turbo automatic which had to be driven with one foot on the brakes all the time as it would cruise quite happily at 50 mph without touching the controls. If I were you I'd calm down before your blood pressure reaches boiling point. Based purely on the stats from the street I live on 80% of off road vehicles only go off road over the grass verge to get to their driveway:)

Originally posted by commuter
If I were you I'd calm down before your blood pressure reaches boiling point. Based purely on the stats from the street I live on 80% of off road vehicles only go off road over the grass verge to get to their driveway:)

my bp is fine but thanks for the message of concern.
i'm probably fortunate in that i don't own an offroad vehicle - i own a four wheel drive vehicle that is designed for driving on most terrains.

Originally posted by willman
my bp is fine but thanks for the message of concern.
i'm probably fortunate in that i don't own an offroad vehicle - i own a four wheel drive vehicle that is designed for driving on most terrains. I'm sure someone else will ask the difference between or and 4wd but I made the distinction because the majority of vehicles on my street are capable of but never used for going "offroad". IMO if you don't use a tool for the job it was designed for then you should question if it was the correct tool to buy? There are obviously some 4wd/offroad owners out there who need them to function but not for the school run, correct me if I'm wrong but there are no schools which can only be reached via green lanes or moorland tracks. Interesting fact is that "It is estimated that over 70% of all Land Rovers ever made are still running around somewhere in the world" - source http://www1.thny.bbc.co.uk/dna/ww2/A3212984

Anyway back to the point, you can't fill JL car park with 4wd's and expect to all get out :)

during the school holidays u have enough trouble getting one in th eplace never mind filling it.(lol)

Everyone would probably be happier if people said SUV instead of 4*4. Afterall, an Audi quattro is hardly the same size as a range rover, no matter how many wheels the power goes too.

If the problem in the car park is that it's 20 years old and was designed when cars were smaller, then they should repaint it and loose one space on every row. Then we'd all have room to get in and out.

Originally posted by Cyclone
If the problem in the car park is that it's 20 years old and was designed when cars were smaller, then they should repaint it and loose one space on every row. Then we'd all have room to get in and out.

No, the problem isnt that cars have got bigger, which from superminis to family saloons the size difference is tiny.

However, the problem is 20 years ago, people didnt see the need to drive their kids to school in a tank as they were not so paranoid of whats around the next corner.

Why does a housewife who only does city driving need a great big SUV or 4x4 eg mitsubishi shogun or range rover, when a medium sized mpv will do?

I even know some of my partners family who live on a farm in norfolk, and they dont see the need for a 4x4!

The crux of the issue is a lot of people, not all, have become more selfish and so whereas there wasnt the need for these vehicles on a mass scale 20 years ago, now the manufacturers are capitalising on selfish people.

Mind, they'll fizzle out like they seem to be doing already because the cost of fuel, they cant afford to run the gas guzzler that only does 3 miles to the gallon compared to my 40mpg, that I get from a Seat Arosa 1.0s which suits my needs and a parent with small children would be fine in one.

Originally posted by csi_bha

Why does a housewife who only does city driving need a great big SUV or 4x4 eg mitsubishi shogun or range rover, when a medium sized mpv will do?



as a staunch defender of the 4x4 - i agree 100% and see this as the main cause of animosity towards 4x4's.

I'm sorry but the spaces in there are tiny. I don't drive an SUV (or indeed 4*4), but I do have to squeeze myself out of the car if I park in their.
So if the cars haven't got bigger, then the spaces must have always been too small. The problem is merely made worse by SUV's.

Originally posted by csi_bha
No, the problem isnt that cars have got bigger, which from superminis to family saloons the size difference is tiny.

However, the problem is 20 years ago, people didnt see the need to drive their kids to school in a tank as they were not so paranoid of whats around the next corner.

Why does a housewife who only does city driving need a great big SUV or 4x4 eg mitsubishi shogun or range rover, when a medium sized mpv will do?

I even know some of my partners family who live on a farm in norfolk, and they dont see the need for a 4x4!

The crux of the issue is a lot of people, not all, have become more selfish and so whereas there wasnt the need for these vehicles on a mass scale 20 years ago, now the manufacturers are capitalising on selfish people.

Mind, they'll fizzle out like they seem to be doing already because the cost of fuel, they cant afford to run the gas guzzler that only does 3 miles to the gallon compared to my 40mpg, that I get from a Seat Arosa 1.0s which suits my needs and a parent with small children would be fine in one.

Originally posted by: Captain_Scarlet
The parking spaces at Cole Brothers storey car park are fine, you will have a problem fitting a 4by4 though, whichm incidently should be going off road rather than to town

But, but but, I've only got a Renault 19 and I SITLL can't get me doors open when I've got the children to release. The spaces ARE minuscule, and they have been reduced in size within the last 10 years. There are spaces for people with children but there are only a handful and they are ALWAYS taken.

Bwah, bwah, bwha take the bus, yes great idea only I live in Barnsley and it would just take forever and the children would murder someone.

Originally posted by csi_bha
...Why does a housewife who only does city driving need a great big SUV or 4x4 eg mitsubishi shogun or range rover, when a medium sized mpv will do?...
LR Discovery (7 seats) L=4705, W=1885 (mm)

Citroen C8 (7 seats) L=4726, W=1854 (mm)

Can't see that the "great big" SUV is that much different.

:confused:

Edit to add
Even a Mondeo Estate is 4804 x 1810

Jeep Cherokee
Length 4250
Width 1760

BMW X5
L 4660
W 1870

Zafira (7 seat MPV)
L 4467
W 1776

Ford Cougar (4 seat)
L 4699
W 1769

Ford Fiesta (5 seat)
L 3916
W 1683

Not an awful lot in it really. The X5 is the fatest, being 18.7cm wider than the Fiesta. The Zafira being almost exactly between the two.

Originally posted by Cyclone
Jeep Cherokee
Length 4250
Width 1760

...

Zafira (7 seat MPV)
L 4467
W 1776

...

Not an awful lot in it really
Hmmm, yeh, it's gonna be much easier to park that MPV in Coles car park than that huge 4x4

:hihi:


Edit to add
While we're at it:

Seat Arosa 1.0 s
L 3556
W 1880

Suzuki Jimny JLX
L 3645
W 1600

So that huge 4x4 would fit in a Coles "spot" much easier than one of those lithe Seat's.

:clap:

we probably get the perception that they are huge because they are high sided.

Okay, we have to stop complaining about width. Now we can just complain about the likelihood of them rolling over, the increased risk to other car drivers in an accident, the damage to the environment and the vastly increased risk to pedestrians in an accident.

Originally posted by foo_fighter

While we're at it:

Seat Arosa 1.0 s
L 3556
W 1880

So that huge 4x4 would fit in a Coles "spot" much easier than one of those lithe Seat's.

Dunno where you got that from, but its wrong, a Seat Arosa/VW Lupo is only 1651 mm (5' 5") wide, not 1880!

Source: http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/road_tests/?id=10

Also, A Suzuki Jimny JLX is not the sort of big 4x4 you very well understand we are talking about here! A Suzuki Jimny JLX is a supermini with 4x4.

4x4s/suvs are much bigger in actual length and width when you include that they have bigger mirrors and bigger doors.

Also, it is fact you are more likely to die if hit side on by a 4x4 than a normal car as the beams that run the length of a vehicle are much higher in a 4x4/suv.

Originally posted by Cyclone
vastly increased risk to pedestrians in an accident.

Especially if they have "bull bars", which I realise are essential in central Sheffield where there are lots of bulls.

My car (Mitsubishi 3000GT) is 1840 wide and therefore definately cannot park anywhere other than on roof - unless i enter car through the boot :blush:

Don't really mind, except when it's raining of course.

Hopefully John Lewis won't be so greedy when they build the new store.

:nono:

Originally posted by Unisol
Hopefully John Lewis won't be so greedy when they build the new store.

Will people give up saying JL are being greedy? Like how exactly?

If people parked properly and didnt have super oversized cars, then there would be more than enough room.

Also, if people learnt how to get out a car without flinging the doors wide open, this would also help.

Originally posted by csi_bha
Dunno where you got that from, but its wrong, a Seat Arosa/VW Lupo is only 1651 mm (5' 5") wide, not 1880!

Source: http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/road_tests/?id=10...
Figures for the Seat were from "What Car", but even if they're wrong, your Seat is still wider than the Jimny (1600mm according to Suzuki's website) and the thread is about parking.

;)

Originally posted by csi_bha
...Also, A Suzuki Jimny JLX is not the sort of big 4x4 you very well understand we are talking about here! A Suzuki Jimny JLX is a supermini with 4x4.

4x4s/suvs are much bigger in actual length and width when you include that they have bigger mirrors and bigger doors...
No, but check the other figures above, your assumptions were wrong, even big 4x4s aren't actually vastly bigger, if at all, than "normal" cars.

Originally posted by csi_bha
...Also, it is fact you are more likely to die if hit side on by a 4x4 than a normal car as the beams that run the length of a vehicle are much higher in a 4x4/suv.
So what has that got to do with Parking in John Lewis, anybody would think you had got a vendetta against 4x4 vehicles, rather than just discussing their merits in relation to the thread (ie size, and will they fit in an "average" parking spot).

:nono: :heyhey:

Originally posted by Unisol
My car (Mitsubishi 3000GT) is 1840 wide and therefore definately cannot park anywhere other than on roof - unless i enter car through the boot :blush: ...
Careful there Unisol, you've just admitted that your car is both wide (won't fit in "normal" spaces, you bad person), and a 3 litre "gas guzzler" (very sinful)...

...just you wait for all the abuse you'll get for those "traits"...

...it's just a good job it's not "tall" too, or someone would be reporting you to "tree hugger central" for crimes against humanity and the planet as we speak.

;)

Originally posted by nick2
Especially if they have "bull bars", which I realise are essential in central Sheffield where there are lots of bulls.
Well, there is certainly lots of bulls... ...omething, from some posters.

:hihi:

Originally posted by csi_bha
Will people give up saying JL are being greedy? Like how exactly?

If people parked properly and didnt have super oversized cars, then there would be more than enough room.

Also, if people learnt how to get out a car without flinging the doors wide open, this would also help.

there are people on this thread with pretty small cars who are agreeing that the spaces are too small.
Is it unreasonable to be expect to be able to get out of your car without sucking in your stomach and squeezing out virtually sideways?
I don't know if it's really greed (as the car park isn't often full), but bad planning might be closer to the mark.

Originally posted by Cyclone
I don't know if it's really greed (as the car park isn't often full), but bad planning might be closer to the mark.

All carparks are badly designed...

name one in sheffield alone that isnt.

I know this isn't an option for everyone, and its wrong that one should have to resort to such measures... But I tend to hunt for a space next to the disabled bays. This way, there's tons of space for the disabled person, aswell as a decent bit of room for me to get out, without scratching anyone elses car, or getting mine scratched.

I park in the NCP for work and there's one of these precious "slightly bigger, next to the disabled bay" spots per floor... of which there are several floors... I'm usually lucky enough to get one of these, so I can leave my car knowing that the person next to me won't need a can opener to get into their vehicle!

BTW I drive a Suzuki Alto, which is very very small, so I shouldn't really have any problems! At the end of the day, its all money making, cram-em-in mentality that causes drivers such difficulties...

From where I'm standing... Everyone's laughing... The car park makes a mint from cramming people in by the hundred, the insurance company get to charge you a high premium when you claim for having your door bashed in, the council are laughing because you are too wary of taking your car out incase it gets trashed, the bus company get to charge you £1.50+ to get into town, as said car parks put your car at risk.... Yeah, hilarious isn't it... Everyone's laughing except the motorist! :loopy:

Originally posted by foo_fighter
Well, there is certainly lots of bulls... ...omething, from some posters.

:hihi:

Laughing more and more as this post goes on!!!

Originally posted by caprice
I know this isn't an option for everyone, and its wrong that one should have to resort to such measures... But I tend to hunt for a space next to the disabled bays. This way, there's tons of space for the disabled person, aswell as a decent bit of room for me to get out, without scratching anyone elses car, or getting mine scratched.

I park in the NCP for work and there's one of these precious "slightly bigger, next to the disabled bay" spots per floor... of which there are several floors... I'm usually lucky enough to get one of these, so I can leave my car knowing that the person next to me won't need a can opener to get into their vehicle!

BTW I drive a Suzuki Alto, which is very very small, so I shouldn't really have any problems! At the end of the day, its all money making, cram-em-in mentality that causes drivers such difficulties...

From where I'm standing... Everyone's laughing... The car park makes a mint from cramming people in by the hundred, the insurance company get to charge you a high premium when you claim for having your door bashed in, the council are laughing because you are too wary of taking your car out incase it gets trashed, the bus company get to charge you £1.50+ to get into town, as said car parks put your car at risk.... Yeah, hilarious isn't it... Everyone's laughing except the motorist! :loopy:

WELL SAID CAPRICE!!! This is how a war starts! Peasants arguing about lack of land to share out and the toffs sitting in the council making their money!!! Well said!

Well - as Mr Strix has just pointed out, you're entitled to own and drive a double decker bus..... But that doesn't entitle you to park it in John Lewis' carpark :hihi:

Originally posted by Unisol

Hopefully John Lewis won't be so greedy when they build the new store.

:nono:

They're building a new store? :confused:

Originally posted by csi_bha
Also, A Suzuki Jimny JLX is not the sort of big 4x4 you very well understand we are talking about here! A Suzuki Jimny JLX is a supermini with 4x4.

4x4s/suvs are much bigger in actual length and width when you include that they have bigger mirrors and bigger doors.

Also, it is fact you are more likely to die if hit side on by a 4x4 than a normal car as the beams that run the length of a vehicle are much higher in a 4x4/suv.

blanket statement was made about 4x4's you now start getting selective about what is a 4x4??

we're talking parking slots not the alleged safety issues regarding 4x4's, oh & as shown on another post there is no evidence from UK figures that what u state is true.(not saying it may not be true but there are no facts to support the staement from Uk sources)

Originally posted by Strix
Well - as Mr Strix has just pointed out, you're entitled to own and drive a double decker bus..... But that doesn't entitle you to park it in John Lewis' carpark :hihi:
Ah, but a double-decker bus really is much bigger than a Mondeo, it's not just an urban legend.

;)

Ooh, and double-deckers are much taller, and they've got big engines...

...quick, get 'em off the roads, damn gas guzzlin' death traps...

...why can't they just use single-deckers like "normal" bus drivers do.

:hihi:

:clap: Why is everybody going on about 4x4's in the car park. These are just a small section of the cars that are in there. The Jags, BMW's & Mercs are just as large & just as polluting.

If all people have to moan about is 4x4's then they are very sad indeed! The problem is poor parking & small spaces which, are some of the things that John Lewis should be looking at.

Before you all say it, yes I do drive a 4x4 but it just happens to be a Lamborghini Gallardo & no I don't park it in the car park. I take our smaller & easier to park Mini Cooper S.:thumbsup:

Originally posted by Strix
Well - as Mr Strix has just pointed out, you're entitled to own and drive a double decker bus..... But that doesn't entitle you to park it in John Lewis' carpark :hihi: It wouldn't fit through that damn narrow entrance.

I think the people who have the most problems have 3 door cars, as the doors need much more space to open.

What I want to know is how come some parents feel they have the right to bang their car doors into the car parked next to them when they have to handle their kids in and out of their vehicles, this applies whether they are Chelsea tractors, 3 door hatchbacks or nornal sized saloons. My car has numerous dents and scratches in the sides that I can only attribute to this. As a motorist you take responsibility for your vehicle and no one can blame the parking space for being "too small". I have seen this sort behaviour in John Lewis and other car parks.

how much does it cost you to park at john lewis?

1) John Lewis (Coles) car park is *only* 20 yrs old? Thought it was a lot older than that.

2) Cars have got a lot bigger in recent years. A lot bigger. We are getting to the stage were they really are too wide for a lot of the roads. And they are bigger than we need them to be.

3) The spaces in Coles car park are very narrow. This has always been a problem.

It always makes me chuckle when i see people on a saturday queueing for ages to get into john lewis carpark - lazy b***ards.

there are a million places around town to park, if you must drive in, that are only a few minutes walk from the centre. completely pedestrianise the whole city centre, i say....

Why are there so many authoritarians on here?

People pay much more to buy and run these SUVs than a normal car because they want to - maybe they make them feel better or safer, but it's their money and they have to give up other things in their lives to have one.

At least we aren't (yet) dictated to as to which car we have to drive - maybe these people have in mind their ideal car and would like to dictate that everyone should drive one of these, unless they can prove to their 'betters' that they NEED a different kind of car.

1) John Lewis (Coles) car park is *only* 20 yrs old? Thought it was a lot older than that.

It's at least 30 years old - I can remember playing in the lifts in 1975.

Why are there so many authoritarians on here?

People pay much more to buy and run these SUVs than a normal car because they want to - maybe they make them feel better or safer, but it's their money and they have to give up other things in their lives to have one.

At least we aren't (yet) dictated to as to which car we have to drive - maybe these people have in mind their ideal car and would like to dictate that everyone should drive one of these, unless they can prove to their 'betters' that they NEED a different kind of car.

the same reason we don't let people play with firearms in the street. No one lives in a vacuum, their actions have a direct impact on other people. Be that via the environmental route, or be it via being run down by one and making up part of the statistic of them causing more serious injuries.

Is it just me, or does your car have to be half the width of a normal car to be able to park in John Lewis's car park? Almost had to climb out the sunroof having squeezed between two normal cars in my own very normal, non-great big 4x4 car (of which there were many).

The store was built in the 60's and the most popular womens car at that time was the Mini. Women are the mainstay at 'Coles', it would shut down without them but who could have predicted their 21st century choice of car?

Size Does Matter!

I try to avoid parking alongside 4x4's as I am fed up with returning to my car and finding another dent or mark where the 4x4 driver has let his door bang into the side of it.

I'm afraid the selfish attitude of most drivers of 4x4's is shown by their bad driving habits and behaviour which I put down to size.

Love to read the comments.

Happy Days!

G'day,

I work for John Lewis both in Sheffield and in Manchester. No complaints recently about the widths of spaces recently but plenty of people who can't work out the paying system :rolleyes: So for the record: if you park in JL then buy something from us. Ask for a yellow car park voucher. Then when you get to the machine, insert the yellow card FIRST...then u get your discounted rate!

Anywho, its soon all being knocked down and a new John Lewis built where the fire station is :)

-Pablo-

Um, Pablo...

Don't you insert the white card, then wait for the price to come up on the screen, then insert the yellow card???

[mbatey]

I think the Jon Lewis management are now acknowledging the fact that their spaces are too small as they have erected signs asking people to park consideratly, it might be more helpful though, if they relined the carpark to make the spaces normal sized!

Never had a problem parking in Coles in my Astra, or the Fiesta or the Renault Savanna - spaces seem fine, never come back to find dints.

I do prefer to park on the street though - a lot less faffing about.

Now, a random collection of articles regarding 4x4's/SUV's:

Four-wheel drives - or 4x4s - should carry health warnings because of an increased injury risk to pedestrians compared to ordinary cars, experts say.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4315784.stm

Four-wheel-drive vehicles, those rugged beasts designed for the open hillside but more commonly found doing the city school run, are so polluting and dangerous that they should carry a cigarette packet-style health warning.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4043959.stm

Churchill compared the insurance records of 4x4s with family cars, including the Ford Focus, Vauxhall Astra and Renault Clio.

It found that owners of four-wheel drives were 25% more likely to make a claim for accidents and that their claims cost 30% more than average - about an extra £350.
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=395321&in_page_id=4

"I found that if you made men more insecure about their masculinity, they displayed more homophobic attitudes, tended to support the Iraq war more and would be more willing to purchase an SUV over another type of vehicle," said Robb Willer, a sociology doctoral candidate at Cornell.
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=28561